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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Joy Bennett Date: 23 Mar 01 - 07:12 PM go for it Shona!!! and let us all know when your first CD comes out - I'll buy one!! In the meanwhile take all of it in as you can. I'll be over in the UK this summer with one of my groups, The Johnson Girls -- yep, an all female shanty group! We were at the Wadebridge festival last summer and as the newspaper article said we "took the festival by storm" If this year was anything like the last, it will be amazing! This summer we'll be at the Warwick Festival July 28-29 then Bodmin on August 3 and Sidmouth August 4-5! If there's any chance you'll be at any of the fesivals, come and see us and introduce yourself. We'd love to meet you. There's about a 20 year span of ages in our group. Good luck to all of you young folkies
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Amergin Date: 23 Mar 01 - 06:53 PM Spud, maybe it is time to buy some new socks then.... |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Spud Murphy Date: 23 Mar 01 - 06:50 PM Firecat, Seventeen years?......I got socks that are older'n that.... Spud |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: mousethief Date: 23 Mar 01 - 06:43 PM I'd get you for that, Amergin, but I have to go to the restroom. |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Amergin Date: 23 Mar 01 - 06:28 PM Well, there are a few of us under 30 folks running around....though it does seem like that most everyone here has a set or two of false teeth and are already in the depends wearing stage.... |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Firecat Date: 23 Mar 01 - 06:24 PM Am I young enough for you? I'm 17 years, 2 months and 18 days old! And if that's not specific, I don't know what is!! |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: ARB Date: 23 Mar 01 - 05:41 PM I'm 11 and kind of accidentally got interested in folk music when I was doing a project. I like alot of different kinds of music because my parents listen to alot of different kinds. My parents both like classical. My mom really likes Mozart and Bach. My dad likes the russian composers. My brothers and I have been in a couple of musicals so we like show tunes. I like new rock and roll and old rock and roll like the Beatles. I'm like my mom and don't like jazz. It's boring. I have a 7year old brother that loves bagpipe music. My mom thinks he was a bagpiper in a past life. ADAM |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: wysiwyg Date: 23 Mar 01 - 05:21 PM Please also see the Folkbabies thread. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: mousethief Date: 23 Mar 01 - 04:41 PM Go for it, Shona! More power to youth in traditional music! Someday I'll be young again. Alex |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: GUEST,willa Date: 23 Mar 01 - 03:28 PM Come on, Sam, you're not under 21 now, you'll soon be an oldie! |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: GUEST Date: 23 Mar 01 - 03:26 PM See! I told you he had a website |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: GUEST,Sam Pirt Date: 23 Mar 01 - 03:24 PM FOLK MUSIC IS FOR EVERYONE (INCLUDING US YOUTH'S!!!!!) I know loads and loads and then loads more young folk bands, folk musicians etc.. The scene is buzzing like never before. I have disovered there are are 3 main (not the only) places where there are loads of EXCELLENT folk musicians. These places are in Scotland, paticularly around Glasgow (with the Academy of music), Newcastle (due to Folkworks and now the degree course) and Derbyshire (because!!) I am 21 by the way and am in a band's 422, The Pack, AAAAG etc.. All under the age of 21!!, there are many more. Check out my website for more info: www.sampirt.co.uk Cheers, Sam
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: GUEST Date: 23 Mar 01 - 03:18 PM Bill Jones, Sam Pirt, Ola (If you don't know who they are, you're missing out; I think they all have websites.) At my local club this week a whistle group including two under-tens played a lovely tune written by one of the children |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: GUEST,Shona Date: 23 Mar 01 - 02:55 PM Well, I'm a young folkie! This June i will be 16! I live in the north of Scotland and really even though there are some pretty darn good bands out there, there is not enough being done to make kids like us really get interested in traditional music. I first got interested in folk music when i went down to a folk club in the local pub. I was allowed in there but not to drink! I sang in public for the very first time and recieved a lot of encouragement from everyone! since then i have sang, played my fiddle, piano, tin whistle and my guitar in front of loads of people and they are all so nice! Everyone on the folk scene is so friendly and I've made such a lot of new friends! and i have an auditon for a traditional music school on monday! What i really wanna do is music. I want to be a traditional musician. I really do and i'll do anything to get there! If you want to give me some times on how to get noticed i'll be so grateful! Yours in music Shona |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: mousethief Date: 23 Mar 01 - 02:17 PM I used to be an under-30 folkie. Now I'm an over-30 folkie. This year I'll become a 40+ folkie. I learn more about folk music every year, and "discover" new performers, and learn to play new songs. I think age DOES make a difference in a lot of things. Perspective, for one. But I've been a folkie since high school and that hasn't changed in the last 20-odd years (and some of them were REALLY odd). Alex |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Joy Bennett Date: 23 Mar 01 - 02:14 PM so this is an old thread - I'd like to revive it -- Being a not so young (in years - 46) folkie, I really believe age is just a number - youth is in your heart and spirit. -- too mushy? I really believe it. I know a number of younger folkies - 16-35. My partner Steve is almost 70, but you wouldn't know it -- he is very much young at heart (gets a bit cantankerous about rock music though.) I too grew up on commercial folk, but had some exposure to traditional as well. But it wasn't until college that I fell into the world of maritime music. Summer Tuesday nights at the pier at South Street Seaport Museum listening to the X Seamen Institute (Bernie Klay, Frank Woerner, John Townley and Dan Aguiar) as the river drifted by and the Watchtower sign across the river in Brooklyn flashed "Do you believe?" "7:45" "God is love" No flashing sign anymore, just the time and temperature, but every tuesday night 6-8 from June-Sept, the New York Packet brings back those times -- and Frank Woerner is still a part of it. Involved in music for most of my life in one way or another, I completely abandoned it for about 10 years until it found me again in the guise of the Folk Music Society of New York -- and my interest and love of the music was re-awakened. Now almost 10 years later I sing with 3 groups (Water Sign and The Johnson Girls, and yes, the New York Packet) and have a very interesting performing life outside of my mortgage-paying job. And, recently elected President of the club that brought it all back to me, I'm always looking to share with others what this club has done for me. Hoping to bring one of the younger folkies (17) with me on my very short tour to the UK next year - and give her some opportunities as well. We are always looking for other folkies with whom to share our time. I also love to hear stories of others' folk inspirations -- especially the very old and the very young (no discrimination agains those of us in the middle, though) As a club we're always looking for ways to introduce young people (in age) to folk music (dragging, cajoling, blackmailing, bargaining, enticing) whatever works. So you under-30 folkies out there -- what works? |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Philippa Date: 27 Jan 99 - 06:03 PM apparently the thread I was looking for is current: where are all the kids |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Philippa Date: 27 Jan 99 - 05:54 PM Unlike Alice and Joe, I started calling myself 'middle-aged' at 35 -- not that I let the defining category inhibit my behaviour. There aren't so many areas of life where I find age an advantage, but the Mudcat forum is one of them. I got interested in folk music as a child. Being older means having heard and remembering more songs and tunes and singers and players, following more of the references appearing on the thread. One of the younger Mudcatters who is interested in blues was fascinated to hear from another forum participant who had personal acquaintance of people like Mississippi John Hurt. And many of us are in awe of Sandy Paton's depth of experience. Also, as other correspondents have pointed out, traditional music devotees rather venerate the old -- songs that go back centuries and learning from the people around them rather than from recordings and the web [see Bill D's message above - which has some bearing on my message below] There have been a few recent threads concerning younger folkies, or the dearth thereof. I did a forum search to refresh a thread, and as I read through this one, I realised that it isn't the thread I was looking for - but it will do. I wanted to respond to the people who were worrying about the lack of younger adults at folk clubs and the other people who were pointing out that there are lots of young people at other kinds of venues, especially big concerts. I hope that a good proportion of these young people also have something like singing circles, sessions, parties at which instead of putting on the CD player they make their own music. Clearly, I have my own preferences in music and song, and they are mostly in the traditional vein. But I'm less concerned about what types of songs and tunes other people want to sing and play than that they can appreciate the non-professional and the simple (accoustic and a capella) as well as the more elaborate music we expect in the concert hall - music we can make in our own houses, fields, etc without needing elaborate equipment. |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Bill D Date: 29 Dec 97 - 12:10 PM One specific example of the attitude that scares me.....A number of years ago...(15?--17?) there were 2 guys...Malcom Dalglish and Grey Larsen...who got together and did 'mostly' folk music..tunes, songs...they did a concert in my area, and they were great. I bought their record, and really enjoyed it. Several years later, they were back....so off I go to hear 'em again.....and the sound was totally different! The tunes were faster, more driving...the songs were chosen from more modern sources, and a couple that I had heard them do before had been speeded up & 'energized', for want of a better word...I really only enjoyed about 20% of the concert. So, I girded my loins and actually went up to one of them after the concert and asked why! And the answer was basically, "We really like making a sort of living doing music, but the younger audiences simply don't come out unless we do it this way." ...And all I could do was shrug. And I had essentially the same reaction to 'Battlefield Band'...the first time I heard them, it was wonderful!!....and several years later, there had been personnel changes, and the music was louder, faster, and less 'trad'...new arrangements, more electronics, etc. (they had their own sound man and sound gadgets along...took 2 hours to 'set up' the equipment to satisfy them) I know that there are a few exceptions to this trend..(as in some Canadian groups etc.), but it gets increasingly difficult to find them...especially for a live concert. There are perpormers who will occassionally do a tape or CD of trad stuff they like, even though they profess that they seldom dare to do a concert of it. (One exception was Eileen McGann...she actually talked to our group during the concert about being convinced during negotiations that we would appreciate a concert of mostly traditional music, and how she really enjoyed being able to do it.) So, what's to do? Nothing, really...except hold on to your records and look for re-releases on CD...and sing with friends who share your interests as long as you can...(I'm pretty darn lucky in this area!...and hope that Mudcat & the DT keep providing this oasis of contact for those of us who appreciate the non-mainstream stuff! |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Earl Date: 29 Dec 97 - 08:29 AM I agree that it's a shame that the musical tastes of kids and teenagers are being shaped by record and media executives with only one thing in mind. The irony is that there is more traditional music of all kinds on CD than ever before. There are independent recordings being made which are clearly more for the love of music than for money. More old records are being re-released on CD (I got the Smithsonian collection for Christmas) There are new compilations of old 78's that were never available before. And there are record stores in the real world and on-line that actually carry them! But radio play lists are tighter than ever and television is still a "vast wasteland." On the other hand, for young people who are turned on by traditional music, there is a certain joy in discovering something outside the mainstream. I don't think I'd want to live through another "folk boom." |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Cliff Date: 28 Dec 97 - 09:03 PM I'm fairly young (under 30) and I have been a member of this group for a couple of years anyway. Bill's statement that there is no money in 200+ year old tunes might hold true in the US but people like Ashley MacIsaac in Canada and Capercallie in Scotland have all done well with 200+ year old tunes. I agree though that there is most definitelly a stagnant repitition to the music (i.e. the evolution of New Kids on the Block-The Spice Girls-Hanson) which I equate to the flavour of the month. If more people were made aware of the roots of music I am sure more folk musicians would be able to make a living from their music but how many folk musicians get into it for the money. There are young folkies out there in a different guise and I think it is unfamiliar to those who have a strict definition of folk.
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Bill D Date: 28 Dec 97 - 07:39 PM Chet...advertising & money happened! There are no $$$$$ in tunes that are 200 years old. The kids today are not only sold music, they are force-fed the CONCEPT of music being 'old' after a year or so.And musicians know that if they own the music, they make more money...so who wants to do some one else's songs, unless they can re-arrange them enough to make it different than anyone else?....so what we get is gratutious variety...change SELLS whether it is tasteful, thoughtful change or not. .. |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Steve in Wisconsin Date: 27 Dec 97 - 09:47 PM Hi All- Interesting thread. I have found, much to my chagrin, that when you tell people that you're into "folk music", they dismiss you much like Bluto did to Stephen Bishop's guitar in "Animal House." (An obscure, if overstated, reference, but you know what I mean). The relevance to me personally is that we (a couple friends and I) started a non-profit group last year and chose to call it the "Fondy Acoustic Music Alliance" just to avoid those who would summarily dismiss our events because they were "folk music." (We host jams and have started a concert series). I, myself, was introduced to "folk music" because of the popularity of the acoustic guitar in songs by such folks as: Crosby, Stills, & Nash, Neil Young, John Denver, Steve Goodman, etc. It was my good fortune to be growing up in the Chicago area when "folk music" (okay "singer/songwriters") were popular. There were two GREAT clubs then-The Earl of Old Town and The Amzingrace. I was fortunate enough to sit up close and personal for concerts by: Steve Goodman, Bob Gibson, Peter Yarrow (solo), Hamid Hamilton Camp and the Skymonters (not a typo-I love their album and wish it would come out on CD), John Hartford, Jim Post, Odetta, Bonnie Koloc, etc. It was through their music that I discovered the roots of folk music. To me, folk music is music from the heart that can be played by a 16 piece band or on a solo guitar. Folk music speaks of real human events and emotions. Ah, the age thing, I am a baby boomer. Nearly 41 and aging fast as I just attended the wedding of a young man who was but a wee first grader my first year of teaching. Happy Days, Steve from Wisconsin |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: chet w Date: 27 Dec 97 - 06:58 PM My how things have changed, though. When I was in high school (beginning in 1969)I started listening to jazz, as well as bluegrass and traditional music of many kinds. It wasn't like everybody was interested in what I was interested in , but people thought it cool, in general, that I knew of somebody named Thelonius Monk etc etc. I was not an outcast for my unusual tastes, but it seems that today if a young person wears a t-shirt with the wrong logo he/she is in real danger of becoming marginalized. As a schoolteacher, I see this process up close and often. What the hell happened? Chet W. |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: rastrelnikov Date: 24 Dec 97 - 03:21 AM Well, music is damned important Petra, but if you think you've felt peer pressure now, just wait 'till you say you want to get your doctorate in archeology or to marry an archeologist or spend ten years of your life digging ruins in Central America or Southern Greenland. You ain't seen nothin' yet, woman. I think it's safe to say that everyone here thinks you're quite intelligent, wise, and LUCKY to have found traditional music. And we think the satisfactions it provides are worth any petty ostracism that you suffer. I remember in University, when an Eagles tape ended, trying to play a little of Alan Stivel's, Rennaissance of the Celtic Harp, to a friend Didn't work. That's an incredible album. It turned Fiona Ritchie of NPR's Thistle and Shamrock onto Irish music. It inspired Lorena McKennit to take up the harp. My friend thought it was just weird. Heck, I even remember a housemate who thought Janis Ian was weird. I was shocked and amazed and delighted when, at about age 26, I discovered there WERE other people out there who didn't just tollerate folk, they LOVED it. My God, there were even women who loved folk. Boggles the mind, don't it. Joys are best when they're shared joys, but don't give them up just because you sometimes have to live them alone. A lot of wonderful people out there can never share many of your joys, but if you keep looking...
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Dec 97 - 02:08 AM Hey, Petra - I don't think anybody took offense here. This is a pretty mellow bunch of people. Nonetheless, I guess most of us might to hang onto our youth. Now if you wanna talk about offensive, let me tell you - I'm almost 50, but not quite used to calling myself an adult. Well, last weekend, I went to a fast food restaurant - and they gave me a senior discount! The NERVE of them! But we're really glad you're here, Petra. Just don't get patronizing and don't treat us like we're REALLY old. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Alice Date: 23 Dec 97 - 11:58 AM Petra, at 19, peer pressure was an obvious issue to deal with in my life, but as time went on, its power faded away. One hint. It fades faster if you ignore it. alice in mt |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Petra A. Cosgrove Date: 23 Dec 97 - 11:35 AM I feel as though I've offended a few people due to the age thing.. So I want to clear that up (if I haven't then I'm really glad, but I'd still rather post this because I feel like i have!)
Age is a purely mental thing- I am fully aware of this fact!! I'm 19 and feel like I'm far more mature than my 30+ year old step-brother. And my 30++ aunt is far more "childlike" (in the good way) than most 10 year olds. However, temporally "older" people are allowed to listen to strange music, it's a requirement I think..
And just as a side note, with my view on the world, and having grown up in SCA encampments, then later on joining the Wiccan bulletin boards on P*, some of my favorite people are 30+, people my age can be such TWITS! (which is another reason why I was lookingfor younger people here, hoping that it might be the music that fixed/broke twit levels)
Okay.. I hope that made some sense and wasn't totally rambly.. (or too rambly anyway... I'm sure it was mostly rambly.)
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Whippoorwill Date: 23 Dec 97 - 11:16 AM I guess I'm still in the younger generation, at least by one definition. I got my first taste of folk music (aside from what I learned at Scout camp) from a commercial album - Burl Ives' brand-new Wayfaring Stranger on 78's that my uncle gave me for my 12th birthday. Age is not measured in years, it's an attitude, and I believe only an adult can appreciate folk/traditional music. I'm happy that so many REAL youngsters are mature enough to see the good in it. |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: rastrelnikov Date: 23 Dec 97 - 03:14 AM I once heard that opera singers reach their peak in their early forties. Folk and traditional music, for the most part, is less physically strenuous to sing than opera. I think we can get better for longer. I'm 33 now. I think by the time I hit 60 I'll be a damn good folk singer. Maybe as good as Carl Sandburg, eh? At the most traditional-oriented song circle I attend, I've seen the widest range of ages. The bulk of the people are about my age to fifteen years older than me, but there are also two regulars in their 70s, a couple of semi-regulars just off to university, and one four-part harmony family whose youngest seems around ten years old.
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Susan of DT Date: 22 Dec 97 - 09:10 PM Petra - we are all young, just not necessarily by your standard. I will be 50 in a couple of weeks. We used to sing in Girl Scouts and summer camp. The first Mitch Miller and then Hootenany were on TV and the whole family watched both. My father then brought home some Joan Baez and Harry Belafonte records for my brother and I to listen to. The Outing Club sang in college and then I got to Fox Hollow as my first folk festival in about 1970. Bands never interested me particularly, but single or duo performers did. I started writing down the songs we sang in Outing Club before I left college and from that the DT was eventually born. |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Catfeet Date: 22 Dec 97 - 05:05 PM Hey, I'm 27 & have been on the list for a couple of years now. I wish that there was still the same opportunity to sing with others where I now live (in Vermont) as opposed to where I used to live (NYC). I got into folk pretty young- 13, on my own, and have continued to pursue it over the years when & where I could find it, often finding that the most active participants were this thread's definition of young. However, now that we are living in rural southeastern Vermont, there is very little in the way of other singers, musicians, etc. that I can locate. Having tried the song circle thing on my own, and having no one come, I sort of gave up in order to finish the house renovation that we are working on. When that's done in a month or so, I'll actually have a place to sing & try again. Alas!(dramatic hand to forehead) Frustrated in Vermont, Catfeet |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Frank in the swamps Date: 22 Dec 97 - 12:28 PM I like Sheyes sliding rule, it's my new standard. About "Bands" I love these guys. They're doing what we like to do,in many cases exceptionally well, but you youngsters needn't be poor, pitiful, ignorant sorts anymore (insert that winky emoticon thing here). The Smithsonian is slowly releasing the old folkways collections, and if you look hard you can still find old folkways l.ps'. (What's an l.p? You are young). Folkways was one of the greatest musical projects ever in the history of recorded music. Moses Ash (wasn't that his name) deserves a star on the American flag. Also library of congress recordings are appearing on c.d. In some cases these songs are recordings of people so old they don't remember all the words, or their voices are so worn that they don't sing very well, but they're honest songs sung without artifice and they are what the bands are elaborating on. Nothing beats making music with good company, but listening to recordings is pretty damn nice. Frank I.T.S. |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Petra A. Cosgrove Date: 21 Dec 97 - 07:06 PM Bill - didn't really think anyone was putting us down, just got defensive.. ;) I'd jsut got a pic in the mail of Maddy Prior and I (prior to her split with Steeleye in Oct) and was feeling very pro-band when I wrote that.. :) (can we say this is one 19 year old that was in HEAVEN!)
I wish that my father and I could start something, but I'm only home once ever couple of months (that whole college thing ya know.. can't be a famous archaeologist with out all the proper degrees et. al. ::grumble, grumble, gripe:: and there is really very little interest int he town I go to school in. They want to hear new age, they want to hear rock.. They don't wnat to hear celtic folk.. ::sighs:: Though Tilell (sometimes lurker here on the DT) and I both want to start a band, it's hard in between the 18 credit hours we're both usually taking, and work etc.. ::Sighs:: But we sing with each other as much as we can.. :) (for that day when we have a little more time on our hands) and next year, I'll be doing hands on musical research in the pubs of Ireland!! |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Alice Date: 21 Dec 97 - 12:56 PM Petra, you and your dad are a power of two that could start your own song/session group, even if you meet just once every month or two to start with. When the session here started about three years ago, there were times when only two or three people would show up to play. PERSEVERANCE FURTHERS! Now it is crowded every week. All it took was the agreement on the part of management of a hotel lobby to allow it to happen. I have a suggestion for those of you out there longing for a group of older folks with whom you may sing. Call all the senior citizen associations in your area and ask if you can start a session or song circle in their senior citizen center. Great things could happen for all of us. Folk music shared person to person may become a more common experience. Every community would be enriched if that could happen. Thanks for starting this thread. Alice in Montana |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Sheye Date: 20 Dec 97 - 10:26 PM How young is young? I use the sliding rule of thumb: Anyone older than me is over the hill and all those younger are still wet behind the ears! This keeps me at the prime of my life. Will admit, though, that I sulked for a few days when I hit that 3-0. |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: chet w Date: 20 Dec 97 - 09:33 PM Personally I am thankful for every young person out there who is educating themselves (can you tell I'm a teacher) about the musical and other traditions around them, of which many more are available than when I started THANKS to cd's, bands, etc. There was a long time, during most of the 80's, when I never saw a young person at a music festival, at least not with an instrument or singing. Chet W. |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Date: 20 Dec 97 - 05:02 PM Any music I have learned, has been by band, or via the Scouting, I used to be part of a group who would sing just about anything singable. Unfortunatly, the group split up, but I still have most of their songs, and i have a couple of cd's whith some of this kind of music (country, singalongs, folk, all this kind of stuff-even some old rock and roll!). I guess you could just say I love anything I can sing along to, much to my parents displeasure (they unfortunatly, do not approve.) And my Grandpa, when he could sing, (he's doesn't have the breath anymore), he taught me a lot, so I'd say, look up the old folks, try grandparents, or other people like that, theyoften know a lot more than they let on. But I will admitt you won't always get the correct words (at the tune of It's a long way to tipperary) It's a long way to tickle Mary...... ;-) Selene
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Date: 20 Dec 97 - 04:58 PM Any music I have learned, has been by band, or via the Scouting, I used to be part of a group who would sing just about anything singable. Unfortunatly, the group split up, but I still have most of their songs, and i have a couple of cd's whith some of this kind of music (country, singalongs, folk, all this kind of stuff-even some old rock and roll!). I guess you could just say I love anything I can sing along to, much to my parents displeasure (they unfortunatly, do not approve.) And my Grandpa, when he could sing, (he's doesn't have the breath anymore), he taught me a lot, so I'd say, look up the old folks, try grandparents, or other people like that, theyoften know a lot more than they let on. But I will admitt you won't always get the correct words (at the tune of It's a long way to tipperary) It's a long way to tickle Mary...... ;-) Selene
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Bill D Date: 20 Dec 97 - 03:23 PM |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Petra A. Cosgrove Date: 20 Dec 97 - 02:11 PM Speaking as one ofthose who does tend to think in terms of bands, it's due to the fact that my father and I arethe only musically inclined people in our household - and he met the music through his girlfriend introducing him to Steeleye. And though Til and I sing/play together as much as we can (given classes and work) the only place that we find the music that we love is through bands. I know the songs I do from Steeleye & Silly Wizard and Fairport and Co. Unfortunately outside of family, there is no other way to really learn the songs.. At least in the areas I've lived in, the serious folk music interests are not there. People don't want to sing songs written in the 15th c. (except for us wierdos..
I understand why some look down on us becuase we do think in terms of bands, but its' the only access we have to the music. And though some songs cross every single band (Who hasn't done a cover of Tam Lin?
So don't put us down too badly becuase we learn by band, at least we learn them. At least there are a few of us out here who, even if it's only by buying a CD, learn and play and sing the songs, and then will teach them to our children the way they should be taught.
Petra Defenderette of the Young Band Based Folkies.. :)
:) I'm glad that I started this thread too, lots of interesting viewpoints to read. |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Alice Date: 20 Dec 97 - 11:10 AM We had a thread some time back in which many of us shared stories of how we grew up with our relatives making music at home together. Most of the traditional songs I learn now are from old books that I find in libraries and second hand stores. When I sing them at a group get-together, many of them are songs people have never heard, because they are not current recordings. Even if I hear a recording of a song that I want to learn, I try to discover the earliest printed source that I can find. Any of you "young" one's out there who do not have family or group singalongs to learn from would find a great source of songs in your local library. Look for the oldest, most tattered books on the shelves, and you will find a treasure. Look for "Folk Songs of North America" by Alan Lomax. Look for old records, if you have access to a turntable. Alice in MT |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: dulcimer Date: 19 Dec 97 - 10:58 PM Just my .0002 cents. I play with a fellow who is 69 years old. He started playing at 15, guitar back-up and singing with some of the fine fiddlers in southern Kansas and Northern Oklahoma in the post WWII era. Just recently we started going to ceili in Tulsa, a new experience for him since he has been playing country/western for over 50 years. But he really enjoys playing with the ceili house bands. It is a challenge and I think helps keep him young. We go to meeting several times a month that we can play with others for four hours at a time and he rarely sits out a tune. How young is young? Music, either playing or collecting, keeps us young. It kind of equalizes age and allows us to share without regard for age. It presents a challenge and a zest to life. So, keep playing and keep sharing. |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Bill D Date: 19 Dec 97 - 01:50 PM well. Selene...welcome...I hope you find something to interest you here...lots of songs, tunes, and links to others....and a great bunch of folks.. |
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Subject: How young is young? From: Selene Date: 19 Dec 97 - 12:55 PM Hi there I just found this bullitin board,but I'm only 18. (well, only, my brother claims I'm over the hill) the problem is that youngsters nowadays (me included) are not exposed to enough kinds of music, only to house, or whatever the current fad your friends are into is. I, luckely had parents that tortured me by playing pavarotti, simon and garfunkel and all sorts of stuff when I was young, and now I actually apreciate them. (well, pavarotti less than the rest.... But that's not country or folk anyway). You can learn to like, or appreciate anything, methinks. Selene |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Sandy Date: 19 Dec 97 - 09:11 AM It's a bit of a sweeping statement to say that the "younger generation" talk about bands since that's their only exposure to folk music. The band thing is due to the increasing availability of this kind of music on LP's and now CD's. It's also a good way of learning songs. There is also a social trend away from providing ones own entertainment. Most people today think a party means standing in someones kitchen with a can of beer in your hand shouting at someone else over the music. The best entertainment in my experience is home grown and what becomes a "party" never started off with that intent - it just happened. They just don't happen so often these days. The pre-arranged folk clubs and singing workshops seem to me a bit twee and artificial. Maybe it's just an English thing. |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: alison Date: 19 Dec 97 - 12:17 AM Hi from a fellow youngster. I'm 28 and proud of it, (or should that be 32????????) Anyway I don't think age matters. We all have a lot to learn from each other. Slainte Alison |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Bill D Date: 18 Dec 97 - 10:21 PM coulda been worse...you could have gone to see Bob Gibson and asked him to do an Elvis Presley song... My very first 'folk' concert was Pete Seeger....bout'61... followed by The Beers family and The New Lost City Ramblers...now I'm into rare appearances by Lou Killen or the Copper Family etc., etc...(in my area these sort DO come by occasionally...and they are worth waiting for..) |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Bill D Date: 18 Dec 97 - 10:19 PM coulda been worse...you could have gone to see Bob Gibson and asked him to do an Elvis Presley song... My very first 'folk' concert was Pete Seeger....bout'61... followed by The Beers family and The New Lost City Ramblers...now I'm into rare appearances by Lou Killen or the Copper Family etc., etc...(in my area these sort DO come by occasionally...and they are worth waiting for..) |
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Subject: RE: young folkies? From: Dale Rose Date: 18 Dec 97 - 08:53 PM Tell you what I did when I was in college~~on a trip to Chicago, two of my friends went to see Bob Gibson, I went to see an Elvis Presley movie. Can you imagine anything so dumb? I think I have made up for it in the years since then, though. Never went to a hootenanny, but I have seen a great number of fabulous performers. Not all that many that your average "music" fan would know, but definitely people that are memorable to me. |
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