BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 05:38 PM

Note the difference in Amos's spelling and meaning, Bobert:

"Facism: the discrimination against another person because one does not like thier face.

Fascism: A political system predicated on centralized dictatorial control and demanding strict loyalty regardless of rational abilities (or lack thereof) in the citizenry."

Frankly, I had never come across 'facism' before Amos's exposition but I have been made aware of 'bodism' many times.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 05:07 PM

Amos,

"Facist thinking" is appropriate. Bush and Co, first stole an election and have since been trying very hard to solidy power. That is an element of faciam. Centralized power. Second, in demanding he gets everything he wants by demonizg his opponents as un-patriotic, Bush has taken sreps to curtail other opinions other than his. And thirdly, using 9/11 as an excuse he has pushed thru the Patriot Act and we know what thats all about... Or should... (I know you do, Amos).

So, yeah, I'm aware that those folks who harbor facist leanings, though they ma be repulsed by the nazis, have done a fine PR job on painting any one who uses the term as a whacko whoes observations must be, ahhhh, wrong... But if it walks like a duck and talks....

Yeah, I have mentioned in another thread Russ Bellant's book "Old Nazis, the New Right and the Republican Party". Makes ya' think. Maybe it's time to take on the right wings PR guys and take back some words that they think they have taken off the table...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: DougR
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 04:26 PM

Harpgirl: surely you jest.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Amos
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 03:33 PM

Harpgirl:

Here at Sunnybrook, we sure do see things yore way!! I believe the future will just ineluctably prove us right, too! An' won't THAT be a hoot!!!!

Love ya, sistah!


Rebecca

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 03:11 PM

According to the BBC 'Horizon' program I watched last night, all you have to do is crack the code that is in the Bible and the future's all there.

Sal

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 03:08 PM

I would LOVE harpgirl to be right. I hope she is, I hope she is, I hope she is...

But I do know a number of people who think that bush is just the best thing that has come along in years. These are mostly- maybe invariably- people who believe, along with the Bushites, that God installed the man. grrrrrrrrrrrrr

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: harpgirl
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 02:56 PM

Dougie's opinions are so frightening to me at this point because of their irrationality that I have given up saying anything to him. That being said, I think:

Americans will vote against Georg Bush in droves and he will not win a second term. I think we will vote for any democratic candidate just to get rid of Bush. I believe that most Americans were so horrifed by the hijacking of our democracy by the Republican radicals in 2000 that they will vote against Bush. The rest of them will vote against him for the rest of the good reasons; war mongering, stupidity, war profiteering, lies, precipitous loss of freedoms,and his inability to work effectively in the foreign sphere.

There is not a chance in hell he will be re-elected. I believe Americans are too smart for that.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Amos
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 01:32 PM

Let's get one ground rule straight, here, folks:

Facism: the discrimination against another person because one does not like thier face.

Fascism: A political system predicated on centralized dictatorial control and demanding strict loyalty regardless of rational abilities (or lack thereof) in the citizenry.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: GUEST,pdq
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 01:24 PM

brucie...if you stand on you head you can yell "The Earth Is Falling, The Earth Is Falling"...try it

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: DougR
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 01:16 PM

A tried and true "oldie" should only be sung in one key!

Bobert: So? You're blaming Bin Laden's family for the sins HE committed?

Also, Bobert, regarding your comments on Barry's bleak observations on the future as he sees it, I thought you were under the impression that the facists had ALREADY taken over our government.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 01:11 PM

DougR said: "Unless one would prefer Osama bin Laden, or someone else with like believings as their leader."

Your highly effective government would have to find him first, wouldn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Peace
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 12:05 PM

Ya'd figure by now DougR would have another line. "The sky is falling." Maybe it is, Doug. Play the song in a different key, PLEASE.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 09:07 AM

Ain't that danged easy to walk, T. Lot o' folks here, myself included, have spent their lives developing freindships, working in our communities, building our homes and many of us are also at the age where starting over is either physically impossible or emotionally improbable... With that said, I know exactly what Barry is saying. Figuretivly (sp) speaking, he say's not in my name. But, if he's like me, he has spent some time thinking about an *exit strategy" should our fears of our government being perminently stolen by intolerant and facist thinking become ever more founded...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 02:10 AM

Somewhat overly pessimistic picture painted by Barry above. His predictions, his belief. So, assuming Barry lives in the US, when he states: "If this is the route we're gonna be traveling down then I'll walk, thank you kindly." - I'll bet you he doesn't

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: SueB
Date: 21 Nov 03 - 12:37 AM

My friends in the lunatic fringe have been predicting the end of the world as we know it for as long as I can remember. The thing about a worst case scenario is, that's just what it is - a worst case scenario. There are an infinite number of possibilities other than the worst case. It's pretty hard to predict the future.

If Bush (and/or the syndicate/cabal behind him) manages to steal another election, well, that would really suck - it would be a catastrophe, yes, but the end of the world? I hope not.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Mickey191
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 11:36 PM

Geeze Doug, Throwing bin Laden into our political election mix is a reach-isn't it? Last I heard he's not a believer in any democracy or our Republic.

Used to be a Rev. Ike who exhorted the poor (while he sat there with diamond rings on every finger & sable cloak on his shoulders) to send in money for his Church. His theme was "A pie in the sky bye & bye."God will take care of you , if you take care of me." In their ignorance they supported this crafty   lying s-o-b. When I read what you've written, I get afraid that Bush might get re-elected, that enough people will buy into the lies.

Would you tell me under whose aegis you are living that you profess satisfaction at the way things are? The sky is falling,friend. Wish I had your umbrella!

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 11:17 PM

If anyone thinks we're in the shit now it's nothing compared to what's heading down the pike. Retirement, a thing of the past, it's been stolen by the well connected. Overtime pay, gone with the jobs overseas. Our rights, the Patriot acts as if they're for only the choosen few. Funding programs like Headstart (Bush's Baby), the "no child left behind" policy, education & the like is a real kick in the ass. No money? No wonder. The environmental direction of our country will be the death of us all. Terrorists, how can there be a war against a mind set? We are treating the symptoms rather than exploring the causes. Immunity from liability for gun running manufacturers, drug dealing companies, medical malpractice, soldiers of war the list is starting to look like it may soon become a reality. Not allowing any world organizations to monitor our public elections as we would demand of others. The violations of human rights, the right to hold citzens & foreigners in secert without any recourse for any amount of time & with no representation, the rebirth of government spying on it's own citizens. Were's the war on drugs, poverty, crime, illiteracy, unemployment, child mortality, hunger, disease, etc? Guess what, those war's have been lost & forgotten a long time ago, not much effort or money was put into those battles & besides we have more important wars to wage. Is this the rosey path we're choosing, to let ourselves be taken down some dark alley? With our outlook of the world, just ripe for the pickings, we are the number one enemy of life (we are the enemy!) & the most dangerous & destructive nation on earth. We are at the bottom of the list, in the eyes of the world, when it comes to the survival on earth as we know it. If this is the route we're gonna be traveling down then I'll walk, thank you kindly. This is my positive take on what lies ahead. I can't begin to imagine what the worst case scenario holds for the future. I only hope we can exit this highway to hell. And I've always been diagnosed by others as pathologicly affirmative. Go figure.
   
Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 11:07 PM

Just say no, Dougie! I'm disappointed in you! And at yer age! You oughtta be ashamed! Hey, there's Betty Ford's Clinic fir Republican drugged out delusionaries such as your self....

Bush created 9/11 for political gain in consolidated power. Don't believe me? Then why is it the day after 9/11 the only plane flying over the US, other than military, was a Sauidi airliner picking up bin Laden's family memebers to carry them to safety in, ahhh, Saudi Arabia?

Answer me that one, Dougie, and I'll never mess with you again...

Don't answer it and I go back to my first paragraph above...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: DougR
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 10:57 PM

Jeri: That's reality. Why? Because Bush is exactly what is needed at this particular time in history. A namby pamby, like the Democrats would elect were there enough votes to elect him/her, would only result in disaster for the country, and even perhaps for the world. Unless one would prefer Osama bin Laden, or someone else with like believings as their leader.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 10:18 PM

It's a comfort to me to remember how wrong I've been in my predictions before. The sky is bleak- but somehow we've all muddled through in the past. Maybe we're all standing too close to the debacle.

I think we've created- or allowed it to be created- a sad, sad situation. My main concern for the moment is to get the bush and its offsh--ts safely out of office, and go from there. And I hope we'll never let a presidential election like the last one happen again.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 10:02 PM

Bush will be re-elected (I'm cynical), the economy will continue to go down the crapper, the jobless rate will rise, lots of folks will own their own homes (most being made out of cardboard), more people will die or become ill because they can't afford medical care, kids in the US will eventually be able to graduate from high school without being able to construct a sentence - if they CAN, they'll be considered geniouses and be accepted into college (if they can pay for it), and the 'domino' theory will continue to play out in the Middle East.

Or not.
If a Democrat gets elected, there will be some sort of scandal about his sex life or drug use back in the 70's and the economy will improve so that the next Republican president can screw it up again.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 09:32 PM

And then Dougie woke up...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: DougR
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 09:21 PM

Yep, the sky is falling.

The U. S. will be stronger, it's citizens will be better off, and folks like the previous posters will still be able to carp about their government.

DougR

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 09:13 PM

I have one: The history books will regard the stolen election of 2000 as the beginning of the downfall of American Democracy. It was never perfect, but it fits and starts it kept expanding from the the Colonial Era through the end of the 20th century.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Mickey191
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 08:04 PM

Bobert, Sorry to say I agree with you. They have their heel on our neck. We find a way to save a few dollars on Meds and they (Gov. & drug Co.s) in cahoots to close that door. Unions--Reagan started their demise, will be a thing of the past.

My husband used to say when the Gov't. starts sending seniors free vitamins ---watch out.(Look for skull & crossbones on the label) They'll be thinning the herd.

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 07:53 PM

"Blade Runner" comes to mind...

Yeah, I think the US governemnt is so corrupt that it will implode. We're seeing some early warnings in the power grab of Bush and his neocons. They say they against Big Brother and have become the biggest of Big Brother...

Ten years from now we will be living much like Isreal, except the suicide bombers in a "theater near you" will be made up of underground population that back in '03 was part of America's middle class...

The unfettered access to the wealth created by the working class by the rich, coupled with the cutailment of Social Security, Medicare,
etc., insures this outcome...

I'd love to be wrong but given the redristricting and rampant election fraud there is absolutely no hope in removing these neocons thru traditional democratic means...

The future is not bright for America... or worse, those of us who still believe in freedom and liberty...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Mickey191
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 07:46 PM

I forgot the darkest question of all, (must be a Freudian slip) Will there be a _one_ world government?

Subject: RE: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 07:26 PM

Very hard call, Mickey -- I would like to think the pendulum will have swung a bit more centrist by then. The key is the distribution curve in the economy.

A

Subject: BS: Any Predictions for the U.S.?
From: Mickey191
Date: 20 Nov 03 - 07:10 PM

Reading all the posts in the "Bush Post War Plan," things look truly dismal for the average family. We (97%) think Bush is a profiteer, a war monger,a duplicitous creep, a national guard no show, a smug faced bully boy and any other nasty adjective we care to add. I agree he & many of his congressional cohorts care not one iota for the people who put them in office. (Whether by vote stealing, gerrymandering, or the occasional honest election.)
They are the fat cats who have generous pensions, health care for life, etc., while many of us find the benefits we counted on are being erroded.

I've just been wondering what you all think this country will be like in ten years. Will the middle class be wiped out? Will college be available to only rich kids? Will life expectancy start dropping because people won't be able to afford medical care?
Won't crime be rampant? Studs Terkel predicted the next depression will not have people selling apples, they will simply _take_ what they need. Or will our government be using WMD to take whatever land or fuel, or resource it decides it needs?

What say you?