BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: bobad
Date: 21 Oct 06 - 07:45 AM

"Fold or Wad?"

Depends.

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 21 Oct 06 - 07:04 AM

Last night on Jonathan Ross's Show he showed the latest trend - black toilet paper. He seemed horrified by Michael Ball's suggestion that this would make it difficult to know when you'd finished. I have wiped many bottoms in my time and quite frankly once you're stood up its a lot harder to deal with - sit down MrH!

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: John O'L
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 11:53 PM

I've found that the ones with the ratchet arrangement invariably leave me holding a piece of paper only the size of my thumb. Not even a single entire sheet will come loose witrhout the most meticulous two-handed coaxing. If ever there was a justification for wanton vandalism, that would be it.

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 10:33 PM

The ones I don't like are the really mean ones that have some kind of a ratchet in them that stops the roll at just the wrong moment, leaving you with just ONE sheet. What use is that?

The ones that amused me most were the ones at my university that were designed so that you (i.e. students) could not remove the roll without a key. Their trade mark was 'Dreadnought'.

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 09:04 PM

Of course variations in anatomy, flexibility, coordination, and the specific configuration of the facility may require "adjustments."

Limited observation had previously suggested a possible behaviour affecting the preference for off-the-top versus from-the-bottom mounting of the roll. The suspicion occurs that those who "turn the roll" to produce a satisfactory "hanging piece" and then grab at the top to tear it off will prefer an upper exit. Those who simply grab the end and pull will find it easier if the paper exits from the bottom. This divides the population neatly into "pullers" versus "¹rollers," which may be about as firmly entrenched a division of philosophies as merits discussion.

¹ "rollers" often may also be called "danglers" with some justification.

Of course there is the subdivision of "pullers" between those who reach over with the off hand to grasp the tissue near the roll to make the final tear-off, and those who just flip the hand up under the protruding part to grasp near the roll, with the extended paper neatly folded, so that it's ready for use when the rip is accomplished. This may require more dexterity than some can master.

That, of course, brings us to the further categorizing of people:

Fold or Wad?

John

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 08:35 PM

I'd just be happy if I didn't bang my elbow or shoulder on the bloody dispenser as I perform my duties or in the act of standing... I have an ample pair of cheeks, there are occasions when I'm practically sitting on the sanny bin tucked down the side, especially in portapotties and recently refurbished pub toilets. There was one that was so tight a squeeze that I couldn't open the door without standing on the seat and then stepping through the gap...

They should be positioned so that when seated, all you need do is reach out with your hand from your lap, and tug gently.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Lox
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 08:00 PM

THAT looks extremely uncomfortable!

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: John O'L
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 07:58 PM

I'm intrigued by the image of the TP getting wet from its proximity with the bowl.

This could help.

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Lox
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 07:29 PM

Brothers and cistern

Well I'm sure it's been said that mudcatters know their s**t if not that they're always talking s**t.

Come on, they're on a roll. Let's just absorb it all and not let ourselves get too flushed by the whole thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 05:16 PM

.....oh my....................................

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 02:47 PM

now, now, spaw! I spects you am a WEE bit hard on those misguided souls who like to hide the end of the TP roll back against the wall!

(Just remembered...I knew a woman in Wichita who DID run rabbits.....hmmmmm)

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 01:48 PM

And Bill DON'T eat shit and run rabbits!!!!

So there John!!!!

LOL..........I love this place.(;<))

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 01:45 PM

Despite John's detailed technical explanation, ALL TP in my house is, and will continue to be, mounted so that it exits from the top/front of the roll. It is simple to unroll the desired length, then place the fingers on the top of the roll and tear off at the desired perforation while holding the next sheet firmly in place.

If the dispenser is mounted so as to become damp from splashes, THAT needs to be changed. I can't say I have EVER had that problem..(and I even lived in Kansas for 35 years! *grin*)

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 01:38 PM

John....Anyone who would pull the paper from underneath would use the wax paper type of TP......and also eat shit and run rabbits!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Becca72
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 01:29 PM

No SA!!

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: JennyO
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 10:37 AM

OH yes they WILL!

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: bobad
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 10:28 AM

They will NOT!

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: JennyO
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 10:22 AM

Probably, and it just shows that Mudcatters will argue about ANYTHING!

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 10:04 AM

Was somebody just looking for the least important, most non-political thing possible to start a thread on?

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Becca72
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 09:00 AM

JohninKansas,
The advice mother spoke of is widely known and widely followed by the female community.
My own mother and grandmother also forbade us from sitting down completely in any public facility. Thus the development of the "hover". Strong thigh muscles are plentiful in my family.

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 08:15 AM

Grab - The wisdom of the past seems to fade away ....

Michael -

The main problem with accessing the initial gripping point depends mainly on the roll being perfectly dry. A too narrow side clearance between throne and wall, or a too low position of the dispenser may subject the dispensable material to the spray inevitable with flushing - especially with the seat down so that the spray is jetted to the sides thru the crack, with the result that the initial separation of a grippable fragment is much more difficult due to a soggy (and sticky) roll.

If the paper fails to separate easily it's likely because of "dampness," although inferior quality of the material used may be a contributing factor.

Once a suitable grip is obtained, pulling slightly upward on the paper helps to lift inner bore of the roll off the roller and makes it significantly easier to extract the appropriate length of useful material. This upward action is facilitated by having the paper exit the roll from the bottom.

If the paper comes off the top of the roll, the normal tendency is to pull downward on the exiting length, especially if the user is seated, thereby causing it to lock up on the roller and leaving the patron with an inadequate tiny patch insufficient for the intended purpose. The inevitable consequence of top-exiting installation is that numerous people get multiple tiny bits off the roll, some of which are invariably dropped on the surrounding floor and ultimately stick to one's shoes on exit.

Top-exiting installation of the roll is appropriate only for commercial installations where the "non-spinnable" damping devices are used to make it impossible for anyone to extract a usable piece of material. Since with these dispensers it's necessary to crank the roll directly to get an extended piece, the top-exit installation gives an additional couple of inches (depending on the remaining roll diameter) of pump-out before the extended strip is soiled by contact with the bits on the floor.

US Army Field Manual FM-269-46517A, Care, Maintenance, Preservation, Stocking and Shipping of Sanitary Facilities, Supplies and Equipment gives explicit instructions for the correct procedures, although it does note that deviations may be required for unusual installations and expecially where proper maintenance has been neglected by prior personnel. The Appendix on "Field Expedients When Normal Facilities Are Unavailable" should be consulted before approaching most commercial facilities where maintenance has been done by persons of suspect qualifications and skill¹ with the expectation of use.





¹ Or where someone may have meddled with the maintenance.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: JennyO
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 08:04 AM

Michael, I'm the same as you - I prefer to have the paper hanging down on the outside. Unfortunately I live with someone who has a multitude of annoying little habits. One of those is mounting the toilet paper with the paper coming out from the back near the wall if he has been the one to replace it. I turn it round every time, but he never changes it back. I've done it hundreds of times. He never says anything, and neither do I. I need to reserve my complaints for slightly more important matters - as it is, he accuses me of making him wrong all the time, so it's not worth the grief for such a small thing. Knowing him, he probably hasn't even noticed.

As for the other annoying habits - don't get me started!

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Grab
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 07:28 AM

JiK, since my wife was afflicted by a recent attack of same, the nurse gave her that advice. So it seems that parents *aren't* teaching that any more.

Looks like I'm a reactionary on the sitting-down-to-wipe side. And never mind the narrowing of the canyon - surely there's some danger from cling-ons unclinging...?

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Michael
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 06:50 AM

What annoys me is when the roll is put on the dispenser so that it un-rolls from the back and you have to scrabble about against the tiles to find the end (of the roll I mean!!).
I probably annoy others by always, where ever I am, turning it round but I hope to educate the world by example.
Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 12:27 AM

Kee-riced on a fuckin' crutch!!! Are you goofed up or something Mr. Happy?

Mr. Happy, this thread leads me to believe YOU are an asshole regardless of what or where the roll you wipe it with is found! Are you some kind of limp dick fanook? Why would you mount the thing high? Do you wipe your cock and balls off or what?

Just mount the thing where it ain't jabbin' into your side or back when you're sitting there blowing a load and make sure it's filled with something you can wipe with......None of that stuff that's like wax paper! Also be sure its not in an easy spot for some broke-dick mamalucca to piss all over.............

Are you smoking something? If so, send me some...............geeziz....................

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Sorcha
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 11:12 PM

I think we should introduce Mr Happy to Skipy.

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Rabbi-Sol
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 11:12 PM

Just remember, "The job is never complete until the paper work is all done."
                                                 SOL

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 11:10 PM

It has been reliably reported that the ultimate authority on this subject was one Lyndon Johnson, who frequently invited (demanded) staff and correspondence to continue meetings in "the room" while he relieved himself.

In one fairly notorious instance he was accompanied by a full fleet of international press correspondence when he launched into an extended tirade about the improper placement of the paper dispenser. Being a "man of action" sometime soon after he ordered the "reconstruction" of all the "rooms" at the Whitehouse to relocate all the dispensers according to his personal specification.

It was my understanding however that he had no particular objection to the height of the dispensers, but was offended by the placement of them directly beside the "seat," where, in his objection, "you have to twist around and reach behind yer ass to get to it."

So far as was reported, his complete specification for dispenser placement was never released publicly, but probably could be found in his personal papers at the Johnson library. It was suggested by one reporter that "the assward edge of the dispenser should be at least even with, or forward of, the most forward edge of the seat in sitting position." I don't know if that was a quote, and poor Lyndon is now inaccessible for further consultation.

As to the proper use of the paper once it has been dispensed and is at hand, my only "formal instruction" was from my own mother. She reported that in her youth the local "Doc" had responded to an outbreak of "mysteriously propogated feminine infections" by discretely(?) suggesting to the ladies society that the women of the community should be advised to "try to wipe front to back so they quit pushing the shit into the other hole." I've not surveyed (or observed) to determine whether this advice is widely followed, or even generally known.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 10:39 PM

Put it an average position...I can't imagine many folks who would be UNABLE to reach it....if you are 7 feet tall and stand up, tear some off THEN stand up...(I suspect the standers sort of bend over, anyway!) Go to any commercial building and measure..there are almost universal standards for the height of things like this.

Geeze....such profound problems we solve here!

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 09:53 PM

Ever checked for skid-marks, Mr. Happy?

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: John O'L
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 09:42 PM

That's something we can fix. Anything bigger needs to be a consesus decision, and the corporations take control while we are weighing pros & cons.

Just fix the dunny. All else will follow.

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Gurney
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 09:32 PM

There is also the point of where horizontally to fit it, as it is often inconvenient on Gib/Drywall. Some people use the dispenser as a handle when rising, and if it isn't on a stud, it will tear loose.



All the trouble in the world, and we are discussing positioning of toilet rolls?

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: John O'L
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 09:22 PM

Like the constipated mathemetician Bobert? Worked it out with a...surely not the Wes Ginny Slide Rule? No. He worked it out with a pencil

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 09:18 PM

Eraect or not, I'm still a guy an' the toidy paper should just' be in reach... If it's on the floor and you can coax it over with a foot, that's fine with me... What ain't fine is findin' there ain't none or the roll rolled too far away to snag without havin' to get up... Now that is a bummer!!! Fir real...

But heck with toidy paper... That's like small potatoes...,. It this toidy seat thing that has me and the Wes Ginny Slide Rule up all night...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 08:54 PM

Just leave an extra roll on the toilet tank where it's easily accesible to anyone, regardless of posture.

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: bobad
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 08:22 PM

And on the left and right sides so as not to discriminate against handedness.

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Bert
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 07:51 PM

Why not have TWO, one up, one down?

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Lox
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 07:51 PM

Are you saying you've got a female in the canyon?

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: John O'L
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 07:33 PM

I agree with lox, although I probably wouldn't have articulated it that way - I probably wouldn't have articulated it at all.

Perhaps we are getting in touch with the female within us...?
(I mean by doing it seated, not by articulating stuff that would probably be better left unsaid.)

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Lox
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 07:24 PM

I noticed that too snowy ...

...

"According to my recent poll, girlies tend to remain sat down for wiping their orifices ? whereas chaps on the whole are upstanding fellows when it comes to the cleansing of the nether regions."

... Is this true? I am a male of the species and I remain seated while the tissue deals with the issue.

Just on a point of practicality, surely standing up brings the walls of the canyon (as it were) closer together rendering some of it's more inaccessable regions ... well ... inaccessable.

When seated, these inaccessable areas become less inaccessable ... don't they?

Was this a mudcat poll? is there a hitherto hidden reason why this site is called the mudcat?

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: GUEST,Snow White
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 07:16 PM

Equipment fitted for the errect male! Now we are talking

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: GUEST,dozey sleepy grumpy happy doc bashful & snee
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 07:06 PM

Wot's the problem chaps?

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: bobad
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 06:59 PM

Vive le bidet!

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: jeffp
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 06:52 PM

Thus it ever was; thus shall it ever be.

Subject: RE: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 06:43 PM

Ah!

Forgot to add, after washing hands, the towel holders/driers are always in the correct & convenient position!

Inconsistency - get into groups & discuss!

Subject: BS: Toilet paper dispensers: Height?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 06:22 PM

Having had discussions over the previous aeons with family, colleagues, casual acquaintances & close fiends, etc; its still a mystery why toilet roll holders/paper dispensers are placed in the position they most often are: that is quite low down so one can comfortably reach 'em from the sitting position, but quite inconvenient once one has arisen.

Seems it may be a gender thing.

According to my recent poll, girlies tend to remain sat down for wiping their orifices – whereas chaps on the whole are upstanding fellows when it comes to the cleansing of the nether regions.

Conclusion:

The equipment, mostly fitted by chaps, appears to be situated for the ladies' convenience – but not for the erect male.


Your views, opinions, explanations??