Chords in Folk?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 17 May 08 - 11:23 AM

The "comment" I (and Foolstroupe, I think) was "rabbiting on about" has been deleted by the moderator, Stigweard.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Stu
Date: 17 May 08 - 10:58 AM

What are you two rabbiting on about?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 17 May 08 - 08:21 AM

...should it be compulsory to login to post a "comment"..?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 May 08 - 08:18 AM

This thread is starting to turn into a jungle... remember we had somebody else here who didn't know when to take the hint to shut up...

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Stu
Date: 17 May 08 - 06:09 AM

". . .the rest is just so much conceptualised clap-trap, however so intriguing in terms of anthropology (which is just so much Academic Voyeurism based on the myth of Cultural Hierarchy) but ultimately useless in terms of our actual humanity"

Really? That seems like a bit of a sweeping generalisation. Don't you think to a large degree it defines our humanity?

". . . as long as there's satisfactory atmospheric pressure to maintain the integrity of our human form, then I don't suppose it matters where we live."

I would agree with this in terms of nationalism, but not in terms of personal identity. Every culture that has ever existed (up until the advent of the industrial revolution and the urbanisation of a large proportion of the population in some countries) has a deep and intrinsic relationship with the land they live in - as folk musicians we must be more aware of this than most. You don't have to be born at a place to experience this feeling, which early Celtic monks thought was "seeking their place of resurrection. . . they thought they were beneath that spot under the firmament that would one day lead them to heaven."

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 17 May 08 - 05:52 AM

Sedayne - I enjoyed your last post

To which I might add in terms of Englishness, a consideration of the history of Delaval Hall is most enlightening, especially as it's still in essentially the same family as it was when the lands were granted shortly after the Norman Conquest. Worth a visit - the hall is Vanburgh's masterpiece and the chapel dates from 1102, and there's some charming landscapes thereabouts too - the beautiful Hollywell Dene for example (wherein I once sang Long Lankin), and the historic harbour of Seaton Sluice itself - and all within a short bus ride of Newcastle. All this and Davey Minikin's Blue Stone Folk Club at The Delaval Arms in Old Hartley on a Sunday Night too...

and, to quote the ex-Aus.-PM, Bob Hawke, "let me say this": I am not against you moving to another part of England (you and Bobby Chalton, e.g., prefer, for the time being at least, the NW; I prefer the NE) BUT I would be very disappointed if you left permanently for Aus.

I am an assured citizen of but two things: firstly, my own skin, and secondly the planet upon which (according to family tradition) I was born; the rest is just so much conceptualised clap-trap, however so intriguing in terms of anthropology (which is just so much Academic Voyeurism based on the myth of Cultural Hierarchy) but ultimately useless in terms of our actual humanity. Without human individuals there'd be no culture in the first place, so ultimately, as I say, as long as there's satisfactory atmospheric pressure to maintain the integrity of our human form, then I don't suppose it matters where we live.

As for tennis, you may like to have a classless slash with Phil and I sometime - FOR FREE!

In England at least, WAV, nothing is ever quite classless, but I welcome the invitation even though the last time I ever held such a thing as a tennis racquet I was fourteen, 1975, and I was soundly thrashed by my friend's 11-year-old sister in the courts at Whitley Bay thus losing all interest in the game thereafter.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 May 08 - 05:49 AM

WAV,Please desist.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 17 May 08 - 05:46 AM

Or else, Volgadon, they did indeed sing individually, apart from joining in the chorus - which is, of course, mostly the case at pub singarounds these days, such as the two I attended this week M. (get-a-life) Ted!

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Leadfingers
Date: 16 May 08 - 08:55 PM

This is a thread that is just going round and round and getting NoWhere ! And Nobody noticed that they had hit the leap year thread (366)

WAV - IF you actually READ and DIGESTED some of the posts and DIDNT put your own Spin to what was posted it would possibly make a bit more sense .

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 May 08 - 04:03 PM

Exactly, Volgadon.

If one were to accept the idea that collectors collected only a single melody line along with the words constitutes proof that harmony was never used nor were the songs ever accompanied, then it would be hard to argue with someone who tried to claim that, until more recently, folk songs and ballads were recited but never sung because the really early collectors collected only the words—but no tunes!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 16 May 08 - 02:25 PM

I thought of another reason why so little harmony was noted down by the collectors. Didn't they usually collect from people on an individual basis? Can't really harmonise on your own.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: M.Ted
Date: 16 May 08 - 01:25 PM

Just for clarification here, WAV is the person who seems oblivious to what others have posted--and "others" seem oblivious to that--The arguments for getting a life are increasingly compelling--

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Stu
Date: 16 May 08 - 08:31 AM

Excellent links Sedayne - thanks. Love the Crawhall stuff especially, and I have heard of the Macclesfield Psalter but have never seen it for real. However, the Book of Kells is worth a pike if you're ever in Dublin as it is an incredible work.

Actually, I wouldn't mind moving to either Ireland (Clare would be my preferred location) to learn to play the music from the ceoltóirí there or to Montana or Dakota to dig dinosaurs.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 16 May 08 - 08:11 AM

Some of you are - perhaps understandably - NOT bothering to read everything on this never-dead thread! I know my Webster's is an American dictionary for crying out loud - I even explained why I've never ditched it, given my preference for English spelling only of English (i.e., frankly it has a very good thesaurus at its back).
Sedayne - I enjoyed your last post and, to quote the ex-Aus.-PM, Bob Hawke, "let me say this": I am not against you moving to another part of England (you and Bobby Chalton, e.g., prefer, for the time being at least, the NW; I prefer the NE) BUT I would be very disappointed if you left permanently for Aus. As for tennis, you may like to have a classless slash with Phil and I sometime - FOR FREE!

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 16 May 08 - 08:01 AM

Joseph Crawhall - the Newcastle wood engraver (1821-1896) - see http://www.fulltable.com/VTS/aoi/c/crowhall/jc.htm

The Macclesfield Master - the name currently being used by academics as the principle artist of The Macclesfield Psalter, which came to light in 2004.

Sorry for the confusion.

Otherwise, I've been eating Gregg's stotties (aka yeasties, or flatties) all my life & no other will do. Even over here on The Fylde our freezer is full of the things, stocked up on our monthly jaunts to Tyneside. Like all other points regarding WAVs English Esoterica my feelings in this matter are entirely subjective, which is, of course, the whole point regarding his attempts to otherwise objectify such matters to make them fit his cultural vision. Also essential in this respect are samosas & onion bhajis from Fazal's in Fenham - a true taste of the Tyne!

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 May 08 - 07:51 AM

"Webster's was an American dictonary"

Which demonstrates just how nonsensical and irrelevant WAVs ramblings are.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Stu
Date: 16 May 08 - 07:29 AM

"Stotties are only good when they come from Greggs . . ."

The only good thing to come from Greggs is . . .the lardy smell. I get my stotties from the local baker who makes them fresh each morning.

"Macclesfield Master, Joseph Crawhall"

According to wikipedia Crawhall came from Glasgow and has nothing to do with Macclesfield - or have I got the wrong chap?

Of course Tunnicliffe came from near Macclesfield (he lived about a hundred years from where I'm typing this) and him and I went to the same school of art in the town at very differnent times.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 16 May 08 - 07:27 AM

I think that documentary was called the Story of English. Most of the American variations in spelling are actually English, WAV, do read up on the history of our language.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 May 08 - 06:01 AM

"Walkaboutsverse thread has gone into the BS section(perhaps coincidentally, just after Eliza Carthy posted the same as you, on the Pop Goes the Folk-Singer thread"

You see - Great Minds think alike ......... or is that Fools never Differ?

:-)

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,DAVETNOVA
Date: 16 May 08 - 05:58 AM

I thought Webster's was an American dictonary -
Webster's Dictionary is the title given for the common type of English language dictionaries in the United States. It is derived from American lexicographer Noah Webster and in the United States, the phrase Webster's has become a genericized trademark for dictionaries. Although Merriam-Webster dictionaries are descended from those of the original purchasers of Noah Webster's work, many other dictionaries bear his name, such as those published by Random House and John Wiley & Sons.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 May 08 - 05:53 AM

there should be SOME global standards, via the UN - the spelling of English being one of them

??? How do you propose that the UN enforce this edict?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 16 May 08 - 05:42 AM

That's it, Joe, joking apart, someone who does love the world being multicultural thinks that there should be SOME global standards, via the UN - the spelling of English being one of them. And, if it's true that the French have tried to insist on their way of spelling only (PG, above), in that case, I agree with them.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 16 May 08 - 05:28 AM

And do you accept that is a somewhat imperialistic attitude, Sedayne?
Also, what if a repat. genuinely likes English folk, the anthology of English verse, Lawn Tennis, stotties, foxgloves, hedera helix, Whitley Bay, The Lake District, Constables, etc?

Not so much imperialistic as individualistic, which is all I'm bothered about to be honest - the honesty & humility of the individual no matter how s/he is ethnically, culturally, regionally & geographically constructed, just as long as wherever in the world they choose to live they remain aware of what they are in terms of their naturalised identity. This, at least, is my personal manifesto, whereby the culture of any given region / country is made up of the people who live there, no matter what part of the world they might have come from.

Otherwise, there is so much more to English culture than the somewhat esoteric list you give above. Most English people couldn't give two hoots for English folk; likewise the Anthology of English Verse. For the most part I despise poetry, with one or two exceptions, mainly American & Scots - HD, Robert Frost, ee cummings, Edward Gorey, George Mackay Brown, and Kipling (who was, I admit, English) - & would, therefore, strongly advise The Faber Book of Popular Verse as a healthier (and folkier) alternative. Stotties are only good when they come from Greggs, and lawn tennis is a sport for the bourgeoisie from which class I'm naturally excluded on account of my maternal great-grandmother marrying beneath her some hundred years ago. Foxgloves are a poisonous weed, though fine in a woodland habitat & useful in medicine; and Hedera helix, however so picturesque, is nature at its most rampantly invasive - good as a habitat, but it'll make short work of your pointing. As for Whitley Bay - she's not what she used to be, WAV, but pretty similar I'd say; I grew up near there, and the coastline is still hard to beat. One of my favourite walks is from Seaton Sluice to Cullercoats, where one of my favourite folk clubs used to meet on Sunday nights at The Bay Hotel. Long gone now, alas, as is the Bay Hotel too come to think of it, demolished a few years ago to make way for a block of luxury apartments named after the American Watercolourist (or should that be watercolorist?) who once stayed in Room #17. I've never particularly liked The Lake District - I spent a week there once storytelling for Cumbria Libraries and found the relentless mountain landscapes grim & oppressive. Nice to see it across the bay from Fleetwood though, on a clear day the vistas are quite breathtaking, especially in winter with the snow covered mountains. As for John Constable (assuming that's what you meant by Constables unless you're harbouring an affection for the English Bobby), most art, like most poetry, leaves me cold, but currently my favourite English artists are the Macclesfield Master, Joseph Crawhall, and the Chief and Aston Master of the Herefordshire School of Romanesque Sculpture. Otherwise it's Paul Klee, Joan Miro and Marc Chagall, as it has been since I was 12.

Maybe it's time to revive the Icons of Englishness? thread.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 16 May 08 - 04:33 AM

Is this the same WAV who loves the world being multicultural and despises the loss of culture? Does American English existing alongside British English not fit into the bracket of the cultural diversity which you love? Americans speaking their language in their nation? As far as I am aware British English is spoken in the UK, so there is no issue.

Standardisation would lead to a more monoculturally inclined world.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 16 May 08 - 04:21 AM

Foolestroupe - the Walkaboutsverse thread has gone into the BS section(perhaps coincidentally, just after Eliza Carthy posted the same as you, on the Pop Goes the Folk-Singer thread), even though it contains CHANTS FROM WALKABOUTS. And the following was obviously a PROPOSAL - "StandardiS/Z!ation WOULD be good - we may pronounce words differently, but we all accept the same spelling."
DefShepard - by not reading this thread, you innocently gave us other examples of American changes...and that's what I said above: is it nowadays a case of enough is enough, or are there plays for enuf?! And, whether it's baseball or cricket, does the ball come off of the bat, or off the bat? Would Ernest (economy-of-words) Hemingway have used off of the bat?
Yours, WAV
16.05.2008

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 16 May 08 - 04:20 AM

sorry that was me.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 May 08 - 04:19 AM

"by saying that, if achievement in sports, education, travel and the arts were tallied-up, I'd be pretty hard to beat"

I think your poetic and musical contibutions count as an own goal.

Were your sporting achievements not from your childhood?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 May 08 - 01:24 AM

"Whom would you beat? Your own ego?"

I'd suggest he's beating something else... :-P


"today's standard British-English spellings didn't becme standard until AFTER the colonization of North America, and that in regard to many of the words spelled differently on either side of the "pond," the US version accurately duplicates the 15th/16th century English usage that was brought across the sea, while today's UK spelling is of more recent vintage."

Right on Poppy! :-)

"there is no authority in any English-speaking country able to (or even trying to) rule upon spelling and grammer, etc.,"

I can't remember the exact name of the brilliant BBC TV series some years about about the History of The English Language. Went from Anglo Saxon times right up to all the modern variations, "Chinglish", "Japenglish", "Pidgin", etc.



"Read my Blurb"

What, the WHOLE SODDING SITE?!!!!



""we may pronounce words differently, but we all accept the same spelling." Forgive me, but we do not. The spelling of some words is different in the USA than it is in Great Britain."

And Australia, NZ, Papua New Guinea etc...



There is an old saying about a fool who has roamed being better than one who has stayed [staid? - :-P] at home.

Don't believe it!


This thread belongs in BS. Just ask Joe to do it, guys. Oh and WAV's thread of 'verse' really has nothing to do with 'Folk Music', either, it should go there too! :-)


~~~~~~~~~
The Fooles Troupe is getting worried it may have to leave here. Too much competition!

:-)

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: TheSnail
Date: 15 May 08 - 07:23 PM

WalkaboutsVerse

Have you also read, somewhere?, then, PG, which spelling of English the UN use?

Never mind spelling, some attempt at grammar would be helpful.

On the other hand, I do object to Americans spelling arse ass.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Def Shepard
Date: 15 May 08 - 05:52 PM

If I may enter into this debate, the originator of this thread, Walkaboutsverse, states "we may pronounce words differently, but we all accept the same spelling." Forgive me, but we do not. The spelling of some words is different in the USA than it is in Great Britain. the best examples I can think of, right off the top of my head, are neighbour and behaviour, in the USA they are spelled neighbor and behavior. There are some others as well, an American English Dictionary and, perhaps, the OED, will furnish other examples.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 05:46 PM

Read my Blurb, then, John, if you wish.
Have you also read, somewhere?, then, PG, which spelling of English the UN use? StandardiS/Z!ation would be good - we may pronounce words differently, but we all accept the same spelling.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 15 May 08 - 05:31 PM

I've read that today's standard British-English spellings didn't becme standard until AFTER the colonization of North America, and that in regard to many of the words spelled differently on either side of the "pond," the US version accurately duplicates the 15th/16th century English usage that was brought across the sea, while today's UK spelling is of more recent vintage.

In any event, in answer to the question "why doesn't someone enforce a standardized spelling," there is no authority in any English-speaking country able to (or even trying to) rule upon spelling and grammer, etc., and of course it's hard to imagine any way of enforcing any such effort.

There's some kind of quasi-governmental apparatus in France whereby the Academie Francoise protects the sacrosanct rules of the French language. I can't imagine what they can actually do, short of burning books...

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,John Doe,
Date: 15 May 08 - 05:31 PM

In that case

What case would that be?

it's fair-play to defend myself

Agreed

by saying that, if achievement in sports, education, travel and the arts were tallied-up, I'd be pretty hard to beat

Whom would you beat? Your own ego?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 05:21 PM

In that case, it's fair-play to defend myself by saying that, if achievement in sports, education, travel and the arts were tallied-up, I'd be pretty hard to beat, John.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,John Doe
Date: 15 May 08 - 05:03 PM

Tell me has any nation other than the USA bothered to change the spelling of English, and why?

WAV, you've had numerous intelligent and well meaning people trying to explain the truth to you: the fact being that langauge evolves!

I've no idea as to your motives, you may be being bloody minded (for whatever reason), or you maybe completely stupid.

I suspect the latter.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 15 May 08 - 04:24 PM

"And pray tell me has any nation other than the USA bothered to change the spelling of English...

as i stated a bit back...Canada uses both English English and American English spellings (not necessarily in that order), that is the reality here..The England you long for never did exist, never will either, that is a reality too
I've a feeling I should do penance...maybe flogging myself with a copy of the Daily Torygraph.....

Charlotte R

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 04:16 PM

John Doe - is it not silly to change licenc/se AND practis/ce? And pray tell me has any nation other than the USA bothered to change the spelling of English, and why? To Mole., a few things are better now than the 1950s but, yes, from what I can gather, England did indeed contain a better society then than now, again, frankly. Finally, it was not I that left chords? for languages? (see above). Having read every post here, John: it is wrong to say English traditional music is ALL about the tune; it is NOT wrong to say English traditional music is MOSTLY about the tune.

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 15 May 08 - 03:59 PM

"Just one question: which 'England' would you like to set in aspic and have us all live? Century: 1700, 1800, 1900??? "

My guess would be the 1950's I could be wrong of course, but that's my gut feeling...that and when I read anything WAV posts I get the urge to consult Neil Gaiman's novel, Neverwhere......

Charlotte R

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 15 May 08 - 03:56 PM

Sorry ~ I missed that reference to "StigWEARD" completely, so I didn't understand where you were coming from.

Other disagreements aside, I truly would NOT have thought that "weird" was a word you would misspell, and didn't know what to make of it!

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,John Doe
Date: 15 May 08 - 03:55 PM

WalkaboutsVerse,

You are an utter fool. There are huge and obvious objections to pretty much everything you say. For whatever reason you choose to ignore those comments and continue to ramble along in your idiotic way. It's rather sad, frankly.

Just one question: which 'England' would you like to set in aspic and have us all live? Century: 1700, 1800, 1900???

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 03:44 PM

StigWEARD was just above that post and addressed in it, and I was not the only one at that stage trying to keep my sense of humour, PG...and what else you seemed to miss was my admission that: "I'm NOT saying I'm the world's greatest speller - far from it - but, when I look up a word, I always choose the English spelling of the English word!" Also, My Webster's, which is from before the "computer age," gives both licenSe and practiCe...why change one when both can be changed, thereby adding to the confusion?! (Why don't I ditch it?...it has a good thesaurus, frankly.)

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 15 May 08 - 03:25 PM

.....it is American English that the world has adopted, essentially by way of computer usage.

Exactly and there is no getting away from it. Oh there will be those who will forever be in denial, but that's just ignoring reality. I Canada we use English English spellings and American English spellings, that too is a reality.

Charlotte R

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 15 May 08 - 03:18 PM

I feel like a character in The Sopranos, doing his impression of Michael Corlione in The Godfather: " I try to get out, but they keep suckin' me back in!"

I swore I would quit participating in this inane discussion, but just can't help myself!

Insofar as English has supplanted French (which had replaced Latin) as the default international language, it is American English that the world has adopted, essentially by way of computer usage. Or did I miss something? Is Bill Gates actually a Londoner?

So there!

Also, for someone who presents himslef as such a stickler for proper spelling to actually type the non-word "WEARD" ~ it's just unbelievable, downright EARY!

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 03:01 PM

And do you accept that is a somewhat imperialistic attitude, Sedayne?
Also, what if a repat. genuinely likes English folk, the anthology of English verse, Lawn Tennis, stotties, foxgloves, hedera helix, Whitley Bay, The Lake District, Constables, etc?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 15 May 08 - 02:39 PM

I can be in a mess room and make the slightest constructive criticism of modern England (e.g., a Swede/Italian should NOT be managing England) and all hell breaks loose; but if a born-and-bred like yourself says how much they'd like to give up on England for old-rival Aus., no-one bats an eye...


It's not weard (sic) in the slightest; it's a particular aspect of Britishness which you, as naturalised Australian, might have difficulty picking up upon, but which you may have detected in your ongoing mission to repatriate. Basically, on the one hand, it's the that we carry what we are wheresoever we go, proud of our fons et origo but in no way bound by its geographical & cultural limits. On the other hand it's an instinctive scepticism of people trying, for whatever reason, to become something other than what they are.

Mess room, WAV? I rest my case, dear boy!

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 15 May 08 - 02:21 PM

"and even you have accepted that I do indeed love our world being multicultural (above)," no I haven't, I accept nothing you say as the truth...what I did say was you accept a multicultural world AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN ENGLAND,in other words as long as you don't have to deal with it face to face...sorry I don't accept the spelling of English in one way only, you are completely wasting my time trying to convince me otherwise, and yes you are imperilaist and racist, your own words condemn you as such. Again please don't bother trying to convince me otherwise. I thank God that all the English are not like you.

Charlotte R

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 15 May 08 - 02:14 PM

No, CR., I've said before that I hate imperialism, and even you have accepted that I do indeed love our world being multicultural (above), but, given that FOR BETTER OR WORSE (above) English has become the world language, why not spell it just the one way...and, I repeat, has any country other than the USA changed the spelling of it?

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 15 May 08 - 02:02 PM

"accents are fine but English should only be spelt the one English way"

The absolute height of English imperialist arrogance. It is remembered what was done in India, and indeed what the English tried to do with the Native North Americans, in Canada with the residential schools. The motto was there is but one way, the English way, for which WAV is the undoubted champion. Sunshine, you are in the wrong century, the 19th would have been perfect for you. You make me violently ill WAV, you and your type.

Charlotte R

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: s&r
Date: 15 May 08 - 02:02 PM

I have travelled the world around
and found
a plethora of song
beyond their ken
These baser men

And they would me berate
O how they prate
They are so wrong
They do not see
They should agree

The license(?) I have got
Should tell them what
They need to know
Well travelled and well read
It's in my head

My motives are so pure
Of that I'm sure
Of that although
My subtle mind
leaves most behind

Subject: RE: Chords in Folk?
From: Stu
Date: 15 May 08 - 01:21 PM

Walkabout went out
to see the world
with his pen.

"With verse
I shall help
educate them

wot don't know
a thing about
that old top-line."

so setting to work
he spewed forth
his rhyme

which he wrote
in volume
heart and soul

but in his reverie
he forgot about
quality control.