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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Gervase Date: 31 May 09 - 02:57 AM A good point well made, Lox. Sadly I don't know if we'll be able to goad people like DMR into showing their true colours, however dim they might be. The BNP high command is apparently so paranoid about 'loose cannons' shooting their mouths of in places like this that everyone has had a reminder. "particular care should be taken when making comments on chat forums and other sites such as Facebook. Do not make the mistake of thinking that comments posted on these sites are secret or hidden. Making inappropriate comments on these sites will be regarded as a very serious disciplinary offence. Please ensure that this message is passed quickly to all members in your area and that it is acted upon. We are entering a very critical time in our party's history and cannot afford careless and stupid talk that can undermine the hard work of our activists." |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: jeddy Date: 30 May 09 - 08:12 PM wow lox, you said that better than i ever could have. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Riginslinger Date: 30 May 09 - 07:48 PM Lox - I agree with everything you said above. The point I was trying to make--and I too made it badly--was simply that there are physical realities going on in the world that lend political support to the BNP, which have nothing to do with identity politics. Overcrowding, and dwindling services could cause voters who would normally not have a racist bone in their bodies to side with the BNP simply to stop the crowding. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Lox Date: 30 May 09 - 06:15 PM Meself, You're right that I expressed myself extremely badly earlier. I'll and explain myself more clearly. Wherever it has existed, racist violence and discrimination has left a deep painful legacy of mistrust, paranoia and resentment. Dealing with the consequences of racism and undoing that legacy has proven to be an extremely tough task. It is something that we do as a society, something that we do as individuals and something that we do as racial groups. The legacy of racism takes many forms and is different for different people depending on their personal history, on the area where they live, and of course on their racial identity. The one thing that all these different legacies have in common is that they affect all their respective sufferers on a deeep and fundamental level. I am white and am amazed and horrified that such irrational hatred can be inflicted with such inhumanity by alleged humans. From the Final Solution to the Slave Trade, from the starvation of the Irish to the murder of chinese civilians during WWII, I feel a cold weight in the pit of my stomach as if I have swallowed a gravestone. The thing that all of us in the west, and I believe everywhere else until someone proves otherwise, want to be able to do without hindrance is live our lives with equality and freedom. But the legacy of Race hate complicates that. It complicates it for A guy I know who is consistently top salesman in his office on the phones, but won't accept a promotion to met clients face to face because his dreadlocks and black skin combined with his 6' 4" stature mean that prospective clients often can't wait to get him out the door due to their irrational fears. It complicates it for an Indian Girl I know who hasn't been in touch with her family ever since she decided to stick with her white boyfriend. And it complicates it for some white folks who are afraid that as a result of race hate, they are now objects of hatred from Black or Indian folks. This is not an irrational fear. There are many Blacks, Indians, Irish etc who still feel a lot of resentment for having to battle to be equal citizens and there are some who don't trust whites to mean it when they say that they seek an equal society. But then there are some whites who feel that it wasn't them who committed acts of racial hatred and who therefore feel resentful that they should have to be so paranoid and stressed out. Understanding is the key. Goatfell shouldn't have to worry about being called racist because he identifies somebody by their skin colour. In a room full of white people, the only black guy can more easily be identified by his skin colour than by his preferred type of cheese. On the other hand, rifleman should feel absolutely no obligation to tell anyone what his skin colour is. It doesn't matter. It isn't relevant. On a thread about a party that discriminates against people for not being white, anyone who isn't white is free, if they wish, to identify themselves as being in that category. This is directly relevant to the topic. If there was no BNP there would be no thread about them. If there was no thread there would be no discussion of racial politics. In which case rifleman and Goatfell would probably be talking about folk music and not have the faintest interest in each others racial identity. If there were no racial politics Goatfell would have nothing to be paranoid about. If there were no racial politics Rifleman would not need to identify himself with any racial group. Both dilemnas are the result of Racial Hatred and as a result of the politics of groups like the BNP. Rifleman and Goatfell, in my opinion, your disagreement is false and part of the legacy of race hate. You should blame the BNP and similar groups for the fact that it never seems to go away - not each other. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Peace Date: 30 May 09 - 05:09 PM You too, jeddy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: jeddy Date: 30 May 09 - 05:07 PM what will we be looking for on youtube next week? i can't wait to see you in action. have fun RIFLEMAN. take care everyone including friend who hopefully will see the error of their ways. we will await with baited breath for your' next pearls of wisdom. see i just can't help myself. stay happy all x x |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Peace Date: 30 May 09 - 04:52 PM You have a great time, Rifleman. Thank you for your kind regards. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Peace Date: 30 May 09 - 04:39 PM '"I think members will note the very subtle moments when I was able to take a certain member down a notch or two."' Also, I would be remiss were I NOT to point out that this is patronizing. Ya need to get more fibre in your diet, the result of which will occasion the necessity of you removing your head from your arse. Kiss, kiss. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 30 May 09 - 04:37 PM Have a lovely rest of the weekend, Fred, Sorcha, Peace,jeddy , etc...I have band rehearsals tomorrow, all day, plus some more editing of video footage that will find its way onto youtube within the next week or two. Peace to you all. DMR and Riginslinger...special places in hell are reserved for you two! (in words you can understand) |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Sorcha Date: 30 May 09 - 04:34 PM Well, Rifleman, I have no hard evidence....just clues and a 'feeling' |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 30 May 09 - 04:31 PM "have a sneaking suspicion that I know who this Daily Mail Reader is.....but I dasn't say it" the horror! the horror! DMR get running, I prefer a moving target *LOL* (I really do know how to use firearms (and bow and arrows, of course) by the way) |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Sorcha Date: 30 May 09 - 04:26 PM I have a sneaking suspicion that I know who this Daily Mail Reader is.....but I dasn't say it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Peace Date: 30 May 09 - 04:22 PM As for closing this thread: YOU sir didn't start this thread. Cllr did. He can request it be closed and maybe HAVE it closed, but YOU can't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Peace Date: 30 May 09 - 04:20 PM "I think members will note the very subtle moments when I was able to take a certain member down a notch or two." If that remark was addressed to me, dream on. It was actually something Lox said on a different thread that 'toned me down' a bit. That said, fuck the BNP. I support neither their policies nor their fascist horseshit. There. That's pretty polite. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 30 May 09 - 03:40 PM Fred, as I've noted already my complexion isn't the same as theirs. I've fought racism all my life and will fight it till my last breath. I've seen what this sort of trash can do to families and to individuals. Fred if you have a moment take a look at this lie. Residential Schools In 1928, a (Canadian) government official predicted Canada would end its "Indian problem" within two generations. Church-run, government-funded residential schools for native children were supposed to prepare them for life in white society. But the aims of assimilation meant devastation for those who were subjected to physical, sexual and emotional abuse. Decades later, aboriginal people began to share their stories and demand acknowledgement of — and compensation for — their stolen childhoods. For this we have to thank trash like the BNP. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: jeddy Date: 30 May 09 - 03:23 PM i have tried to ignore our friend but everytime i read his latest drivel the response comes automatically, the subject is too emotive and it is clear to me that we are all very passionate about our own views. most of us are clear headed, reasonable people who love debating, whatever topic is in front of us, we need to start ignoring our friend before we start to disagree and fall out amongst ourselves, which is exactly what the bnp and our friend wants. divide and conquer. well friend it won't happen as we are too intelligent to let you win. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Riginslinger Date: 30 May 09 - 03:17 PM "If I ever need to ask myself why I hate racism, I look in the mirror." Why, are you a racists? |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Fred McCormick Date: 30 May 09 - 03:11 PM Rifleman. No such luck I'm afraid. The bastards are all the same colour as me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 30 May 09 - 03:07 PM If I ever need to ask myself why I hate racism, I look in the mirror. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Fred McCormick Date: 30 May 09 - 02:56 PM Better than closing this thread, I suggest that we all agree to ignore the rantings of DMR, plus those of all his other aliases, and get on with the business of seriously discussing the threat to democracy and freedom which the BNP poses. I know this board is supposed to be about music but a lot of us clearly hate the BNP and all it stands for, and with good reason. Therefore, the off-topic section seems about as good a place as any for us to exchange ideas/information about how we as musicians, singers, dancers or just plain punters can help in decapitating the hydra. The BNP impinges on music activity in too many ways for us to allow this thread to degenerate into a mudslinging match between DMR and everybody else. I'm thinking not just of the fact that their sales arm markets CDs of musicians and singers who wouldn't touch the BNP with a bargepole. Nor am I thinking just of the way the BNP is trying to ingratiate itself with the folk revival and with folk calendar customs. Music is one of the strongest proofs we have of the emotive and sensate and intellectual unity of mankind. Yes, I know that Beethoven sounds nothing like Ravi Shankar. But every human society on earth creates music. And though it may assume all manner of cultural facades, we are all moved by it. It makes us laugh and cry. It makes us angry and happy and joyful and sad. In every corner of the world countless generations of mothers have rocked babies to sleep with it. Numberless crowds of bereaved mourners have overcome their grief with it. Millions upon millions of distressed lovers have found comfort in the stuff. And it has stiffened the resolve of people the world over to withstand slavery and despotism and exploitation and brutal imperialism. If I ever needed to ask myself why I hate racism and chauvinism and nationalism and fascism, I would not have to look any further than the thousands of records which I have collected during my lifetime from all over the world. Because however different the sounds may be that they produce, all those Balkan bagpipers, those flamenco guitarists, those Irish fiddlers, those African griots, and those Islamic 'ud players, are all saying the same thing. It is that beneath the different skin tones, beneath the vast variety of human cultures, we are all the one people, because if we weren't we wouldn't all be making music. And lest anyone thinks we haven't got a problem of comprehension, here's one reply to an email I sent asking people to use their vote in the Euro-election, thereby ensuring that the BNP don't get in by default. "if you believe in free speech then you should stop this ridicules scare mongering nonsense they have the same right as I to hold or teach their political ideologies I do not agree with anything the bnp stand for but what you are doing is insulting the rest of the free thinking population and is just as bad as they are. Its exclusive bigotry look at yourself b4 you point the finger at anyone in fact don't point your finger its rude!!!" No, the guy isn't some closet racist or far right conservative. He is in fact someone who has done an enormous amount to extend and propagate our knowledge and enjoyment of pre WW11 jazz and blues, and many other forms of Black music. It's great and sterling work, but somebody ought to tell him, just what would happen to his record collection if the BNP ever came to power, and which concentration camp he'd be consigned to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 30 May 09 - 02:55 PM DMR may be right about closing the thread though. I can't see it serving any more purpose and I think it's been proved he/she can't answer straight questions. -- OT but every time I see the name DMR, I'm reminded of a factory I worked in. A DMR there was a Defective Material Report, a document raised by goods inwards QA when material arriving on site was found not to be to drawing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 30 May 09 - 02:45 PM DMR simply wants the thread closed because he/she can't win. A message to both DMR and Riginslinger and here endeth the lesson. If ignorance truly is bliss, both of you must be orgasmic |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Emma B Date: 30 May 09 - 01:53 PM 'May I suggest we close this thread' Either I'm having deja vu or this DMR 'guest' is beginning to sound and behave very much like the homophobic troll who went under the ironically inappropiate name of 'joy bringer' 12 months ago. Anyways folks check out the 'responding to hate speech' thread for example and make your own mind up |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Gervase Date: 30 May 09 - 01:41 PM May I suggest we close this thread Oh dear - not only does this pusillanimous little twerp refuse to answer some straight questions but now he cuts and runs. As I said, lack of moral fibre. It's exactly what you'd expect from the BNP. Before you do run away with your grubby tail between your legs, DMR, how about an answer to at least one of those questions I posted? C'mon - just one answer shouldn't tax you too much... |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 30 May 09 - 01:13 PM Joe - DMR claims you are deleting his/her postings. Is he/she lying? |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader Date: 30 May 09 - 01:09 PM May I suggest we close this thread. Some of you created a major thread drift. The poster asked a question and I replied to it. As for me, the debate is over, so please accept defeat and move on. Best of British to you all. Enjoy your weekend. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Emma B Date: 30 May 09 - 01:05 PM A Holocaust survivor and Second World War veteran last night begged Britain: "Don't give power to the Nazis." Gisela Feldman, 84, and Ken Reilly, 83, joined the Daily Mirror Hope Not Hate bus in Manchester to ask people to vote against the BNP in next week's European elections. Gisela was 15 when she fled Germany in 1938 as the Nazis killed her father. She said: "We cannot allow the fascist BNP into our politics no matter what they promise. "I lived through the Nazi regime and remember the Brown Shirts marching through Berlin. We didn't know of the hatred flourishing beneath." Ken fought in the Royal Armoured Corps during D-Day and the Battle of Arnhem. He said: "We must look through the BNP's false brandishments. Hatred is an abomination and we must vote for hope not hate." Comic Eddie Izzard, who joined us at the Imperial War Museum North, said: "Meeting Gisela and Ken reminds us of the sacrifices their generation made so we can live in a hate-free society. But now, 60 years on, we've got the BNP dragging us back in time. "Voting against the BNP is to vote for hope against hate." |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 30 May 09 - 01:04 PM Answer the questions.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Riginslinger Date: 30 May 09 - 01:01 PM "Babblespeak in all its glory, wuth (sic) just the right amout of ignorance = BNP" I would agree, ignorance is the problem! |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: meself Date: 30 May 09 - 12:58 PM However: every time Rifleman has mentioned that he is "non-white", Goatfell has reacted with indignation, and insisted for some reason that Rifleman be more specific. Finally, Rifleman has (good-naturedly) given in and allowed that he is darkish brown. I thought that would put an end to the matter, but ... Lox, maybe I need to spend more time on it - but for the first time, one of your posts makes no sense to me. Just don't know what the heck you're trying to say. Probably doesn't matter, though; if I did know, I'd probably be in agreement ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader Date: 30 May 09 - 12:55 PM Every time I submit a detailed response to your questions, someone deletes it ! So direct your questions to them, not me. I listened to a very moving interview on the radio this afternoon. Yet another World War II veteran, 82-year-old Joe Randall, has come out to bat for the British National Party in the wake of the childish anti-BNP smears launched by the Tory leader and the media in recent days. He spoke with such love for our country and respect for the party. Mr Randall, who is now playing an active part in campaigning for the BNP in the South West, always wears his campaign medals, won while serving in the paratroops during the war, passers-by to see. Mr Randall joins numerous other World War II veterans who have come out in support of the BNP over the past few weeks. So far the party has at least three Royal Air Force WWII veterans, including at least one Spitfire Battle of Britain pilot, several Royal Navy veterans (including some who took part in the Dunkirk, Tirpitz and Atlantic Convoy campaigns) and a good sprinkling of D-Day veterans. These heroes put their lives on the line to fight for Britain all those years ago, and it takes a special kind of person to come out and fight for Britain once again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Lox Date: 30 May 09 - 12:29 PM Rifleman, Understanding cuts both ways. There are numerous legacies of racism in the modern age. One of them is that innocent white folk feel, as a result of their good nature, a sense of responsibility for the misdeeds of not so innocent white people. Of those innocent whites, there are those who find this an unacceptable burden. This is justifiable. Why indeed should a non racist person have to put up with the paranoia caused by racism. It isn't fair. I know that you are referring to earlier comments shared between you and Goatfell on the subject of his distaste for feeling like he has to step on eggshells when he hasn't done anything wrong. What Goatfell doesn't get is that it isn't the PC crowd who made Race an issue. It was the Racists. So it isn't fair that non-white people should fear a political organization that targets non-whites. It isn't fair that a person who falls into that category should be asked to explain exactly how - the simple fact that they do is reason enough to protest such an outrageous policy. And it isn't fair that Innocent white folk like Goatfell feel they have to be paranoid about what they say. The truth is Goatfell that every Black, Brown and Yellow friend I have actually shares your view, and I know from a million positive experiences that you can distinguish between fred and John by saying "john is black but fred is white" its no big deal and sensible. The thing that black/white/asian people all don't like (and that includes me goatfell and rifleman) is when someone discriminates on the basis of our colour and not on the basis of our character, personality, qualifications, personal history, sense of humour, talent, commitment etc. I discriminatee on the grounds of character integrity etc, which is why I find the BNP so utterly repellant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 30 May 09 - 11:24 AM actually there isn't any such thing as a white person, you're all somewhat pinkish....me? I have a darkish brown complexion, being that I am native North American (or an Indian as some folks like to call us*LOL*) Oh and one small thing, goatfell, if colour doesn't matter to you, why did you, why do you bring the subject up in the first place? |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Emma B Date: 30 May 09 - 11:09 AM In an attempt to emulate groups such as the French National Front, with which the BNP has close links, Griffin has devoted himself to making the BNP electable by publicly toning down the BNP's hardline Nazism. This moderation is only skin deep. Replying to criticism from other parts of the far right, Griffin has told a private meeting of American nazis and racists that while the BNP needed to change to get elected, his core beliefs - that of the superiority of the white race - remained his driving force. In a recording that was broadcast on a BNP blog late on Tuesday night, and was later placed on the party's website, Mr Griffin said: ""As you know, we don't break the law. We never have, we never will .... Don't mind breaking the odd race law, or being accused of it, you know" Mr Griffin was convicted in 1998 of distributing material likely to incite racial hatred Racism cuts both ways A 12-page glossy pamphlet launched in October 2008 is being distributed as part of a campaign to purport to prove the existence of a "silent epidemic of racist targeting of indigenous Britons". It is full of racist venom directed especially at Muslims, whom it accuses of being "sickos", "paedophiles" and teaming up "to lure girls - often as young as twelve or thirteen - into a nightmare world of sexual abuse, rape, beatings, drug addiction and prostitution". "Welcome to Oldham, the front line of the race war," a BNP officer told a party rally a few weeks before rioting broke out in Oldham, Burnley and Bradford in summer 2001. After the riots the cover of BNP's magazine Identity sported a map of Britain with flames indicating towns where BNP-instigated race riots had already taken place and those where the BNP was still working on it, asking the question 'Is this going to be a long hot summer?' |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: goatfell Date: 30 May 09 - 11:07 AM purple, green, red, orange these colours are all non-white, this is what I mean by PC they can't be honest and say that person is black or brown or white, I don't care, but I do when you mention non-white, pink with yellow pokeadots, that's non white. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Rifleman (inactive) Date: 30 May 09 - 11:07 AM " Yes, in reality I do mean population growth is the larger problem. But places on the planet where population growth has been largely contained are being overrun by people from places where population growth has not been addressed in any manner. For the most part, it seems to me, this is a result of some unforgiving religion, but the result is the same. The only immediate solution I can see is to make those folks stay home and deal with the problem. Once they bring things under control, normal migration could begin again. Further, it seems to me, you have to make a deplorable statement from time to time to get other people's attention." Babblespeak in all its glory, wuth just the right amout of ignorance = BNP |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Gervase Date: 30 May 09 - 10:47 AM OK - 14 simple questions. You can use both sides of the paper. If you can provide a convincing answer to any of them I'll be surprised. 1: Disprove the 'lies' stated in this thread about the BNP. Maybe the trickiest one, so you might like to skip this and go on to... 2: Explain Nick Griffin's comments to the KKK meeting. 3: Do you endorse physical and verbal attacks on black and asian people? 4: Do you think that someone convicted of incitement to racial hatred is a fit person to lead a political party? 5: Did the Holocaust happen? 6: Do you agree with these statements from the BNP message board; Somebody should start major-league deporting them before some vigilante groups, somewhere, start major-league killing them in the streets...And, if I see one being honour-killed, somewhere, I'll develop deafness, blindness and complete social unawareness - it's amazing how suddenly we can be afflicted with such things, given how stressful modern life can be!? Are they acceptable? 7: Do you deny that one of the BNP's policies is to 're-patriate immigrants' (particularly non-whites) back to their country of origin? 8: What is your evidence for unprovoked violence against the BNP? 9: Is the BNP facing an inquiry into its funding after Nick Griffin paid a £5,000 political donation into his personal bank account without declaring it? 10: Was John Tyndall, the BNP's founder, a Nazi? Are the photographs of him, in a Nazi uniform with a swastika flag, genuine? 11: Why is the BNP aligned with hate groups throughout the world? 12: How many generations should one have to go back to prove 'pure British' stock? 13: Did two senior BNP activists try to smuggle under-age schoolgirls into the party's conference hotel, only to have the poor girls run screaming from their rooms? 14: Do you agree that 12 out of the BNP's 20 elected councillors have appalling records for criminality, non-attendance, dishonesty and incompetence (see here ). |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 30 May 09 - 10:30 AM 2nd Question easy one. If you put rat poison pellets in an all-bran box are they (A) All bran cereal (B) Rat poison pellets Just answer A or B |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Lox Date: 30 May 09 - 10:06 AM DMR, Could you show us where you: 1, answered the questions put to you by Peace 2, answered the questtions put by Don 3, answered the questions put by Jon 4, answered the questions put by me. 5, won the argument You could either provide links to the posts in question or you could cut and paste from them. Alternatively you could simply quote them and provide the thread name and the date and time of the posts so we could go and find them ourselves. Secondly, could you provide links to your sources so I can see where you get your information. We would love to be able to listen to your arguments with a truly open mind and to learn how and wheere we have gone wrong. However, this is not possible without the necessary evidence upon which you base your view. The problem is, that as long as your opponents are providing evidence and you aren't it makes it look like they know what they are talking about and it makes it look like you're just making up a lot of fiction. I trust that you will be able to provide us with these links so that we can move forward with the discussion. By the way, so that you are able to really put up a successful fight, I would suggest that you use the BNP website as little as possible, since noone is going to accept that as an independant source. Good Luck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 30 May 09 - 10:03 AM Simple quesrion. Is a party whose leader or convicted of violating section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986, relating to incitement to racial hatred wothy of support? Just answer yes or no |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader Date: 30 May 09 - 09:15 AM Gervase, I have several times. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Gervase Date: 30 May 09 - 09:12 AM Could you answer the questions then, DMR? |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader Date: 30 May 09 - 09:05 AM I already did Jon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 30 May 09 - 07:14 AM I am. Can you explain those comments? |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader Date: 30 May 09 - 07:06 AM Sadly I see one or two of you are away on one again ! There is a general fear that the truth being told by the BNP will destroy years of indoctrination by New Labour. I listened to a speech by Nick last year with my grandchildren.It was one of the proudest moments for me and showed the kids just what Nick and the other chaps have done for this country. Cameron is a Blair McBroon clone, plain and simple. They are formula politicians moulded to whatever shape the NWO deems fit for their purpose. Watching these marionettes posturing at PM's questions when they both share the same common goals is one of the most pathetic sights on TV, even their insults are half hearted. Please keep to the point. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Emma B Date: 30 May 09 - 07:05 AM No doubt this is the same Jane sharon Carpenter who also writes on Facebook sites opposed to the racism of the BNP on the topic Christians against the BNP such bon mots as 'Yes, I have heard the story of the good samaritan. He helped one foreigner - not millions of them.' and 'It preserves our Christian heritage. They can preserve their muslim heritage in their own country, It will also protect us from events such as 7/7.' on the topic Christians against the BNP when you understand the basic tenets of Christianity Jane come back and lecture us about friendship |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Fred McCormick Date: 30 May 09 - 07:04 AM What was that George Orwell said about Newspeak? |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Jon Date: 30 May 09 - 06:53 AM DMR, can you explain Nick Griffin addressing American nationalists including a former KKK leader and saying this? “There's a difference between selling out your ideas and selling your ideas and the British National Party isn't about selling out its ideas (which are your ideas too) but we are determined now to sell. What that means basically, to use the saleable words. As I say, “freedom, security, identity, democracy”. Nobody can criticise them. Nobody can come at you and attack you on those ideas. They are saleable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: GUEST,Jane Sharon Carpenter Date: 30 May 09 - 06:41 AM I don't think you can be a very good friend if you get rid of friends or chose friends on the basis of their political views. You have obviously been far too sucked in by all the media hype about the BNP. These days they are just another mainstream political party not that far off what the Conservatives were like a few decades back. |
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Subject: RE: BS: BNP: What would you do? From: Fred McCormick Date: 30 May 09 - 06:39 AM "BNP Exposed - The Secret Agent (BBC) Part 1" Marvellous ennit. You've got one member of the BNP - a leading member as it happens, who also claims to be a biologist - arguing that black people are intellectually inferior and unpossessed of the moral dignity which characterises the advanced white races. And you've got another member who goes round shoving shit through people's letterboxes. |
