BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?

Subject: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 04:12 PM

Is it just me are is there anyone else out there thinks that Daniel Craig just doesn't fit the role?

I have always been an admirer of Roger Moore in the role, the guy had it all.The others got away with it and were good, but this new guy strikes me more like someone you would get at the door if you rang a plummer in Yellow Pages.

Your views ?

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 04:14 PM

I think Daniel Craig is just great in the role. He comes closer to matching the Bond of the books. I thought Roger Moore was awful in the role, turning the series into a cartoon. Sean Connery is still the best.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 04:16 PM

I guess some of the actual spies/agents used in the last world war didn't fit the bill either but they did the job. I don't believe there is a recognised stereotype for a spy in reality...we just expect something with star quality because we are used to James Bond being the macho/ handsome man in films.
I sort of agree with what you are saying in regard to the film stereotype with regard to Roger Moore though.
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 04:24 PM

To me, Roger Moore was the worst...unless you want a sort of Playboy fantasy spy figure...and Sean Connery was the best, because you could definitely take him seriously as a dangerous man. I have not seen the new movie, but it sounds like Daniel Craig is playing his role very well from the reviews I've read of it.

The question is, what sort of Bond do you want? Do you want a man who is believable as a tough, ruthless, professional spy...or do you want someone who would look more at home dressed in a $10,000 suit and flirting with a bunch of bunnies at a party in the Playboy mansion?

In my case, I'd prefer the former by a long shot.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 04:41 PM

We all watch Bond movies and expect the unbelievable. They are sheer Entertainment nothing else. I always loved the double meanings that Roger Moore is best remembered for. The songs produced for the films are also memorable.

The new film Casino Royale isn't one of the best from the stable in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 04:45 PM

Divis - just curious, how old are you and what was the first Bond film you saw? I find that people who first saw James Bond when Sean Connery had the role had a difficult time with Roger Moore's clowning. I actually thought Tim Dalton did a good job, and Pierce Brosnan was acceptable - but I honestly like Craig and the "new" approach to the film.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 04:45 PM

Yes, some of the best Bond theme songs were in Roger Moore movies, no doubt about that. I specially liked Carly Simon's entry, but then I always like her songs. I agree that one expects to see the unbelievable in Bond films, yes, but I prefer a gritty Sean Connery Bond to Roger Moore's suave Bond character.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 04:51 PM

Well, Roger Moore was the Saint before he was Bond.....

(and when I was a teenager reading the Ian Fleming originals, Roger Moore lived a few streets away from me in Stanmore, Middlesex....)

I haven't seen the Daniel Craig version yet, but Connery, Brosnan and Dalton more Bond like than Moore (his movies were fun though!)

Kitty

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 05:37 PM

Dear Ron I am 47. First Bond movie I went to see was "Live and let die" in 1973. I find watching Sean Connery is like watching cardboard act.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 06:23 PM

Watching Sean Connery in what? I find that watching Roger Moore is like watching a male fashion model do a couple of turns on the runway. "Oh, isn't he lovely!"

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: bobad
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 06:56 PM

Cut him some slack LH, he's still young.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 06:57 PM

Never seen a James Bond film in my life, and doubt if I ever will, but you can't help seeing the extracts and some of the media hype.

This latest one really looks a nasty bastard. Which is fair enough, since he's supposed to be a psychopathic killer - but isn't he supposed to be good looking or something? There was a letter in the paper today from a lady who said she thinks he's even less attractive than Borat, and I think she may have a point.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 06:59 PM

Almost sorry I started this thread now ! Goodnight folks.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 10:40 PM

I HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE YET BUT I DO SEE HIM AS A GREAT FIT FOR THE ROLE. I ACTUALLY THOUGHT ROGER MOORE WAS THE WEAKEST -- MY VOTE WOULD BE SEAN CONNERY THEN PIERCE BROSNAN.....

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 11:33 PM

I still think the 'original "Casino Royale"' was brillant, but then, I'm a Peter Sellars fan...

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 01:35 AM

This just in: Daniel Craig is ticked. He says he's going to have "a little talk" with Divis about hiring plumbers... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Teribus
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 04:23 AM

The actor Ian Fleming wanted to play as Bond in "Dr No" was David Niven, who turned the part down. They then went for a relative unknown subject to approval by Ian Fleming, who gave the nod to - Sean Connery.

Casino Royale is the first Bond Story and it details Bonds background - Scottish, orphan, affluent family, Commander RN, having been brass-hatted immediately on entry into the zone, commando trained, ex-boxer, like his creator served in Naval Intelligence until transferred to International Export (MI6).

Whereas with Connery, Dalton and Brosnan, they all fitted the above. Lazenby and Moore definitely did not.

I have seen Daniel Craig in Casino Royale and think that he does make a very good job of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 05:19 AM

I thought he was good and that the film was excelent. My first Bond films were the Connery ones with my favourite, at the time, being Goldfinger. On refelction I think the best now were From Russia with love and Dr No. Moore never did it for me though I was a big fan of him playing Simon Templar. After that it all just became too gadget driven. Of course the best was Woody Allen doing Jimmy Bond in the original Casino Royale:-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Grab
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 06:19 AM

Not seen the film yet. But my favourite Bonds were the early Connery ones and Timothy Dalton's two. Even the later Connery ones (probably around the time of Thunderball) became too gadget-oriented.

Connery and Dalton were the only ones who really looked like the killer that Bond is supposed to be. Connery was your classic tough guy, whereas Dalton looked like an assassin - he wouldn't get stuck in a punch-up, because he'd have knifed you first. They were also the only two who used their brains instead of a load of fancy gadgets up their sleeve. Brosnan was tolerable but too gadget-happy, and the invisible car last time completely jumped the shark. And Roger Moore - what can we say? Couldn't act, couldn't fight, and by the end he couldn't even look good with all that fat.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 06:35 AM

Went last Saturday. I thoroughly enjoyed it all. Daniel Craig was great. Eva Green was a bit tasty too...........................

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 06:49 AM

I've read very positive things on Daniel Craig in this role--but I'd have no idea til I'd seen the film.

I sure haven't seen all the others in the series--but it's certainly true that Sean Connery set a high standard--and the double entendres and understated wit were also there in his films--can't imagine that anybody who saw Sean would have missed these.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 07:32 AM

He's grrrrrrrrrrrreat!

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 10:53 AM

Divis - I am very glad you started this thread, and please do not take my comments or questions as a knock on your choice of Connery.

The reason I asked your age and what was your first Bond film was to check a theory.   I truly believe that the first impression of Bond helps establish what they like or dislike about the character.   Some of the Moore films were great fun - I do enjoy "Live and Let Die" and consider that one of my top 5 favorite Bond flicks.

As you mentioned, your first exposure to Bond was watching Moore. My first film (and I notice Dave said the same) was watching Sean Connery as Bond.   While I realize it is not fair to compare, my expectations of what I want from a Bond film were shaped by Connery.

Also, when I have a vivid memory (and a photo!) from the 1964-65 NY World's Fair of standing next to the famous Aston Martin from Goldfinger. The car was on display, and they let me go right up to the car to pose for a picture, allowing me to walk beyond the railing that kept the car from the hands and fingers of the public. What a thrill for a kid!    This past summer, while visiting the Spy Museum in Washington, D.C. - there was the car on display again.   It was still a thrill.   I understand that there were three or four cars used in the film, so I'm not sure if it was the exact same car - but it still held up pretty well!!

And yes, Goldfinger is probably my favorite Bond film - with From Russia With Love a close second.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Midchuck
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 10:59 AM

As I pointed out on another list, in the original books, James Bond was described as having been a Naval Commander in WW II. He'd have had to be in his early 20s, at the youngest, as of the end of the war, 60 years ago - so he's in his early 80s now.

Therefore, Sean Connery should still be playing the role - except that even he's probably too young.

Peter.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 11:16 AM

Well, the books took place in the 50's and 60's so he would have been in his 30's and maybe early 40's for historical settings. Obviously they are going to update the character for modern times.

After Fleming's death there were several books written by other authors. Some took on the air of the Roger Moore films, others were more along the lines of Fleming's style.

One book by John Pearson, that is long out of print and rarely discussed, was called "James Bond: The Authorized Biography". The book was about a writer meeting with Bond, who was forced into retirement, to discuss writing a biography of his career. The premise was that Bond was "outed" by Ian Fleming in a series of books after the Russians attempted to assassinate him. "M" decided to turn Bond into fiction and had Fleming write accounts of the real adventures in an attempt to confuse the enemy. (Don't ask - it was strange, but it worked well enough in the book.) The book has Bond reluctantly talking about his "real" history - including his early days in WWII.   It ends with Bond being asked back into the service - supposedly with another story.   What was interesting about the book is that it took a number of "clues" and events from Fleming's books and made sense of it all.

Bond has become a part of folklore, and I hope the series of films - and books, will continue for a long time.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 11:27 AM

Thanks for that Ron - Just put it on my Amazon wish list as high priority:-) Rather than out of print it says 'not yet published'. Sounds like they may re-release in the wake of the renewed interest. Hope so anyway!

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 12:32 PM

The whore known as the queen of england is using the Bond franchise to shake her Luciferian ass in your face:

In a twenty first century update, the new James Bond Movie, Casino Royale, directly references 9/11 and highlights the fact that massive manipulation of airline stocks prior to the attacks account for a leading motive behind the event....

"When they analyzed the stock market after 9/11 the CIA discovered there had been massive shorting of airline stocks. When the stocks hit bottom on 9/12, somebody made a fortune."

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/bond_film_highlights_911_insider_trading.htm

Buzzy Krongard, #3 at the CIA, was partly involved in the insider trading:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a090601putsshorts

The terrorists in London and Washington and Tel Aviv carried out 9-11, then they hijacked the Bond franchise to leave you a big fat calling card. So disgusting.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Amergin
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 12:35 PM

Connery was definitely the best....after that I would take Dalton....

Brosnan to me did not come close to being a James Bond....I saw Goldeneye and that ws more than enough for me....an unmanned plane dives over a cliff and he jumps after it, freefalling yet manages to catch up with the plane, hop in and begin ascending in time before it crashes on the on bottom.

This new one looks very interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: fat B****rd
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 12:45 PM

Being as how I wanted to BE James Bond (minus the danger) in my late teens, I read all the books then available in about two weeks. The Bit where Jim has his bollocks thrashed with a carpet beater in Casino Royale still makes me shudder. The fact that the new film features this section nake sit obvious that it's goodbye gadgets and hello gritty.
To paraphrase Hitchcock "They're only movies".

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 01:01 PM

Yeah, Guest, that is an interesting tidbit about the shorting of the airline stocks...something that still seems to be generally underneath the radar of the public at large for some reason.

Now...back to the movie. Good point, Ron Olesko: " that the first impression of Bond helps establish what they like or dislike about the character."

That is absolutely right. First impressions of any character establish an expectation in a person's mind and that makes it difficult for them to appreciate a different version of the character as much as the one they saw the first time.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: rock chick
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 01:14 PM

There is only one Bond for me and thats Sean Connery, Mmmmmm he can shake and stir me anytime, Brosnan was ok, but the whole thing seemes to have changed, i liked the gadgets, and there was not so much violance as now, well there didnt seem to be. Watched one the other night, it really was just like another spy film, whereas the orginal Bond films were different, if you get my rift.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 01:28 PM

Yeah, they were different, and Connery himself had a great deal to do with that. Movies nowadays rely way too much on a barrage of violent, spectacular, over-the-top action (with a lot of quick visual cuts) that is frankly unbelievable most of the time...and hard to even watch for older people who grew up in a different time.

But that's what the young audience is used to now, and that's what sells tickets.

Dogs and other domesticated animals eat what is put in front of them, don't they? And they do it willingly.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 01:36 PM

Funny you should mention the quick cuts etc. LH. I was telling someone today that a very good feature of the film, IMO, is a move back to the 'old' linear stroyline. No quick cuts, no plot interleaves, no flashbacks. Just a story from A to Z. Quite a refreshing change:-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 01:45 PM

Darned right. Whatever happened to normal vision and a logical, linear storyline?

I think the TV music videos and other such stuff (video games? TV commercials?) were a big factor in popularizing the "quick cut" style of movie-making you see so much now. It's apparently supposed to be "exciting" to wrench the viewer's attention repeatedly with split second changes of visual images from THIS! to THAT! to WHAT-THE-FUCK-WAS THAT?... to HEY, THERE GOES A... to OH, NO! to... OR IS IT?>>?>>....

Gimme a break. Then there was the Blair Witch Project, which was kind of like suffering a migraine while falling down a long, long flight of stairs. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 02:11 PM

According to Dame Judy, Daniel Craig may have trouble fitting anywhere he being of very genourous proportions!

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 02:11 PM

I read all of Fleming's James Bond novels early on. Thumbnail reviews of the movies, in order (but not in the same order as the novels):   

"Dr. No" was very well done, quite close to the novel. Some details were a little different, but one expects some of that in a movie version of a novel. I don't think anyone who saw it could forget when Sean Connery first appeared at the card table in the casino and was asked what his name was. The answer (as he paused while lighting a cigarette):    "Bond. James Bond." I think many of the people in the theater where I saw the movie must have read the novels too, because a spontaneous cheer went up.

"From Russia with Love" was also very well done and followed the novel fairly closely. But the last part of the novel was a fine piece of suspense writing as Bond and Tatiana are on the Orient Express, heading for Paris with the decoding machine, and unknown to them, the British agent, Grant, who has come to assist them, is actually a Smersh assassin. When is Grant going to make his move—and how? And how is Bond going to deal with it? The movie did give this a bit of a nod, but they didn't build the suspense the way Fleming did in the novel. Instead, they opted for a wild-ass chase with a helicopter dropping hand grenades on them, and Bond and the girl escaping by setting fire to a fleet of pursuing speedboats. A touch of Hollywood schlock. Lotte Lenya was great as Rosa Klebb.

Along about "Goldfinger," the Bond movies were starting to come unglued. "Goldfinger" was still pretty good, but "Q," with his load of gadgets and gizmos suddenly became an important bit-part, and although the story held together fairly well, it definitely had a lot of the comic book elements that became de rigueur for the rest of the Bond movies, and eventually took over.

With "Thunderball" they were really heading downhill, and I pretty much lost interest. I did saw a few more of them. Roger Lazenby just didn't cut it, and the only thing "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" had going for it was Diana Rigg (I'd pay to get into a theater and sit there for two hours just to watch that woman breathe!). I have seen a few of the movies with Roger Moore, and I have to agree with the movie critic who said that Roger Moore played James Bond as if he were doing drawing-room comedy. A bit more convincing than casting, say, Michael Palin in the role. But not much.

I had great hopes when Timothy Dalton took over as Bond. I've seen Dalton in a number of movies and knew him to be an excellent, charismatic actor (his portrayal of Rochester in the "Jane Eyre" miniseries was absolutely brilliant!), and if anyone had the panache to step in for Sean Connery, it would be Dalton. I also heard that Dalton had read all the Fleming novels and wanted to return the characterization of Bond to Fleming's original concept. But the movie moguls wouldn't have it, and although I thought Dalton did an excellent job in both of the Bond movies he appeared in, he was swimming against a tsunami of well-established dippiness.

Pierce Brosnan? Well—no. Saw one movie with him as Bond. And—no.

"Casino Royale" was the first Bond novel I read (and Bond's first appearance). I have no plans to see the movie because I just don't want to see how badly they've munged it up. If I see it at all (might watch it on television when and if it comes around), it will be because Judi Dench is in it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 02:25 PM

Don, I've never been of fan of comparing books to film. They are two different mediums, and there are usually two different creators involved. The author of the book uses his or her talent to tell the story as they see fit. The director of the film is also trying to tell a story as they see fit. Using the book as inspiration, the director should be judged on how well they tell THEIR story, not how well they translate another individuals ideas.

I really enjoyed Goldfinger, which was different from the book, because of all the comic book elements that were being added to make for an enjoyable movie. It was a great popcorn flick, like many of the Bond flicks.

As for Casino Royale, I think it would be a disaster trying to translate that novel verbatim from the book. If you are a fan of the Bond character from the books, I think you would enjoy the film if you do not try to compare the two.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 02:26 PM

I havent seen the new film yet, & although the trailers make it look good, Daniel Craig just doesnt look like a Bond to me.

I'm the same age as Divis, but Connery was the first Bond I saw, though cant remember which film. I never really took to Roger Moore, it seemed like the ones he made were all about grand spectacular sets & scenes, gadgets and 'witty' lines than about real substance.

Unfortunately, the Connery ones look really very dated now, & I like Timothy Dalton...its a shame he made only the two - The Living Daylights being excellent, & Licence to Kill being less good, IMO. Its a shame he didnt go on to make more....would have liked to see his more 'gritty' style rather than Brosnan's Moore-like suavity. The biggest weakness in those two, though its only a niggly little point, is the awful portrayal of Miss Moneypenny.

Timothy Dalton apparently tried out for the role before Moore was, but turned it down himself, feeling he was too young for the role, being in his mid-twenties at the time.

Sam Neill was also auditioned for it, I assume pre-Brosnan.

I disagree a lot with my brother (who is very much a Bond fan, whoever it is). I can't see how he can be such a fan of the films (paticularly Moore & Brosnan - who is HIS favourite) having read every one of the books (even the post-Fleming stuff). I have read most if not all the Fleming ones (before the films in some cases) & just couldnt picture Roger Moore as I was reading them, even though it was his era in the role.

I suppose I might go see this new one with my brother though.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 03:29 PM

I am fully aware that novels and movies are two different media and many things need to be handled differently. Internal dialogue (getting inside a character's head) for example, works well in novels, but trying to convey the same information in a movie by doing a voice-over is actually kind of limp. I didn't expect the James Bond novels (or any other novel—including the Lord of the Rings trilogy) to be reproduced exactly on film.

But it is a little disheartening to read a good novel, then go to the movie adaptation and find that they've gone for the lowest common denominator by replacing a good, tight suspense scene the cheesy way, with a car chase or a shoot-out, and generally loading it with other semi-brainless stock movie gimmicks.

But I guess it sells a lot of popcorn and Milk Duds.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 06:58 PM

"Diana Rigg (I'd pay to get into a theater and sit there for two hours just to watch that woman breathe!)."

God, so would I!

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 07:19 PM

Then you will love Eva.......

And Daniel Craig is not just eye candy for the women, he can act.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Nov 06 - 07:44 PM

Just goes to show opinions are like ...opinions.

Fleeting glances at my initial contact with the James Bond character - hairily played by Connery, it reminded me of a monkey in a tuxedo - his patronizing slaps to women's bikini-ed behinds as they wiggled by... put me off Bond films for a long time, until...

Pierce Brosnan came as close to emulating the debonnaire, confident, and culturally sophisticated character James Bond has come to represent over the years as any actor could.

Needless to say my interest in the Bond persona has waned recently.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Charmain
Date: 22 Nov 06 - 06:34 PM

Connery was cool
Moore was cheesey
Lazonby was good but a little too smooth
Dalton was ahead of his time
Housewife's choice Brosnan had about as much depth as your average pavement puddle - and if you are serious about the role you need a little depth at least

Daniel Craig is a very fine actor and being a fine actor is able to
give that depth to the character.
Eva Green is steely but vunerable in her role and makes it believable.
This film is not the usual Bond - it departs from the previous films in many ways and in doing so comes closer to the books and to reality.

Plus of course Craig looks like he could easily shoot you with your own gun and then sleep with your wife - what more do want from Bond?

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: GUEST,Diva
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 07:14 AM

Well I've always liked Connery for me he is the quintessential Bond but I'm looking forward to seeing Daniel Craig

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 08:52 AM

I think he is the best bond...ever. Roger Moore was a bit to twee.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Slag
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 09:51 AM

Moore was always so full of himself. I could never get into the fanrasy as his ego kept blocking the screen, the plot, the other actors, etc. Connery was certainly the best with Brosnan a close second. Lazybee was quite laughable. I kinda like the Craig portrayl as it adds a bit of realism to the fight scenes and the struggles (a bit, that is). He's not as cool as Connery, doesn't exhibit the quick wit in any situation. Alas, Bond is becoming a mortal like the rest of us. I like Felix Leiter as a black guy. Very refreshing. Well, the Cold War is over and the conflict of the 21 st Century, or at least it's beginning, is terrorism but now things are looking up. Bond is back on the job!

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 02:24 PM

Saw it last night. Damn good movie for a James Bond tale! YES, he bloody well does fit the role. In fact, I think he may just be the best Bond of them all so far, because he is quite believable as a spy. A real spy, not a fantasy figure.

That certainly was a very realistic rollover with the sports car. What a mess.

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 03:39 PM

Sports car! SPORTS CAR!!! That was no mere sports car, LH, that was an Aston Martin. Have some heart...

Well, ok, it was a Ford...

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 05:50 PM

Oh? Well, I've never been much of an expert when it comes to identifying sports cars. Sorry. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Does the new James Bond fit the role ?
From: Grab
Date: 23 Nov 06 - 06:37 PM

There's been a black Felix Leiter already in "Never say never again"...

Off-topic: My previous job (as of three months ago now) involved contract software for Aston. If you've seen any other factory floor, their production plant is incredible. You say what colour you want your dashboard trim, and the leather, and the car, and various other bits and pieces. It all starts on one end of the line with some standard bits (like body shell), pre-ordered individual bits (like wood trim) and some rolls of different colours of leather, and it finishes at the other end with a complete car just like you ordered. And amazingly, they don't often get it wrong either. Given that most car plants can hardly fit a hubcap without getting something wrong, it's pretty impressive.

Now Ford are selling them again, I just hope they get bought by someone who wants to keep them going, not just run them into the ground and asset-strip them.

Graham.