BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?

Subject: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 12:49 PM

According to tapes played at the trial of the "terrorists" in that case, the FBI planted Emad A. Salem to infiltrate an Arab group in New York. His job was to act, again, as an agent provocateur -- inciting violent attacks. It was Salem who convinced the other participants to bomb the World Trade Center. When he was asked to assemble the bomb, he went to the FBI to ask for harmless powder to avoid a catastrophe. The FBI essentially cut him off. To make a long, complicated story short and simple: The FBI spent $3 million of your tax money to blow up the World Trade Center....

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14869

FBI Informant Edam Salem: "...we was start already building the bomb which is went off in the World Trade Center. It was built by supervising supervision from the Bureau and the DA and we was all informed about it and we know that the bomb start to be built. By who? By your confidential informant. What a wonderful great case!"

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 12:52 PM

and the guys didn't really go to the moon back in '69 either.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: leprechaun
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 12:58 PM

Hey! Bi-polar GUEST! How's it going? Oh yeah, I know. Dumb question.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:04 PM

It's always interesting to see the kooks jump in FAST with their attempts at spin-control, but they never address the ISSUES. Our FBI did the bombing of the WTC in 1993.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:09 PM

GUEST:

Please compose a song about this rampant, vile treachery.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: catspaw49
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:12 PM

Yes, please do.....and then stick it where the sun don't shine...........

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Beccy
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:14 PM

The worms crawl in. The worms crawl out. The worms play penuchle on my snout...
Yeesh.
You have issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Kim C
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:15 PM

Actually I think it was alien druids from outer space.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:19 PM

they killed princess diana as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: GUEST,Gern
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:21 PM

It's interesting that this post has drawn out such hostility among the locals here at Mudcat. It seems that only certain fringe opinions are respected here. GUEST (who should sign his/her posts) cited the source for this. Although he/she should not accept it as gospel, neither should respondents trash the post without responding to the source. is this an open forum for the discussion of such matters, or not? Are we so embittered by frequent flamers that we refuse to listen to more reasoned arguments? I don't happen to buy this conspiracy theory, but I'm open to its examination. Had this post come from a Mudcat regular, would it be taken more seriously?

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: jeffp
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:24 PM

No

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:25 PM

GUEST, you do not seem to grasp the way things work. Those who make outlandish claims that run counter to conventional wisdom and/or documented history shoulder the burden of proof. Galileo understood that, as did Copernicus and Columbus. You present no issues for anyone to confront. You present non-evidence conjured out of some cockamamie speculations, and wholesale leaps of faith.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: MMario
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:26 PM

Had this come from most known mudcatters they would be deluged with PM's asking if their meds were out of balance. Except maybe Little Hawk ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:27 PM

Thanks for an actual response, Gern. My question would be...since the FBI planted Salem and knew about the plot every step of the way, how could it POSSIBLY have been pulled off without the FBI's blessing? They even had to MAKE the bomb for those morons.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: GUEST,Geordie
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:29 PM

Egyptians built New Grange. Christ is buried in France, Irish monks walked to America, LBJ killed JFK and shakespeare was not written by shakespeare but by another man of the same name.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Amos
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:30 PM

Well, Gern, most Mudcat regulars have a kind of protocol, tacitly learned, about passing on alarming stories like this one. They don't do it just to stir up FUD (fear and discontent). They play such stories for humor, or they invite a reasoned and reasonable course of action. Or they pose them as intellectual puzzles, adhering to the general principles of critical analysis. Wide-ass generalizations of a negative sort do not make for good communication. And as a rule those who post regularly here are genuinely interested in the communication, whether it is analytical, intellectual, philosophical, creative, humorous, or musical.

These posts about the Bohemian Grove and the FBI sponsoring the WTC 1993 bombing are not analytical; they are not intellectual; they are not philosophical; they are not creative; they are not humorous; and they are not musical. Most of all they are not much interested in genuine communication.

If that is not clear enough to make the point, I do not know what is.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:30 PM

Guest, do you believe everything you read on the internet or hear in a courtoom?   How do you know who is telling the truth?

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:31 PM

Guest/Gern, it is because he has posted this on numerous other threads. And the links don't bear out the data he has drawn from them. Besides, it's time to play- and he makes it so easy.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:33 PM

Look at Salem's words again. When he realized the FBI in New York was going to give him actual live explosives (instead of the inert material they said would be used to dupe the terrorist cell he had infiltrated), Salem began recording his interactions with the FBI. The government tried to hush up the case for 'national security reasons', but what came out of the trial is absolutely conclusive...the FBI used their agent to name the target, then they fueled the project with live explosives and allowed the bombing to go forward. And this was just the 'clean' information they HAD to allow out to the public.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:39 PM

Did't Salem ghost write the Chuck Barris autobiography?

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:43 PM

Ebbie...Salem collected hundreds of hours of taped conversations with the FBI. The transcripts are all over the internet. The links hold up. The FBI is on tape convicting itself.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: BuckMulligan
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:49 PM

have you heard the tapes? have you had them analyzed to verify that they're what they claim to be? have you verified that this guy really exists? "All over the internet" is telling.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:51 PM

This is a real guy.   There were numerous reports that the tapes were doctored, which guest fails to mention.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: GUEST,Geordie
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:52 PM

oh where is Occam's razor when you need it !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: greg stephens
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 01:56 PM

The FBI have certainly been denying me access to Mudcat on several occasions this year. Unless it was green lizards pretending to be the FBI

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Kim C
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:05 PM

It seems like anytime there's a huge tragedy, people want to blame the Government. Since we have the Best Government in the World, they wouldn't have let something like this happen; so surely they knew about it all along, and perhaps even orchestrated it.

It happens EVERY time.

We don't like to admit that our Government may actually be run by People Like Us who are Fallible and Make Mistakes, so that when a mistake occurs, we have to conjure up some reason why.

General John Bell Hood is a good example of this. He had extremely poor judgment, and got most of his army killed in 1864. It was widely rumored that he was addicted to laudanum because of previous injuries; why else would he be so STUPID? He was a West Point graduate and a General fercryinoutloud! However... there are no records of any doctors giving it to him, no accounts of witnesses seeing him take it, no accounts of anyone saying they saw him drunk or drugged or any of that. No one wanted to admit that maybe he just wasn't a very good General.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:06 PM

They don't use green lizards in southeast Alaska, greg. They would be too conspicuous because we don't have many reptiles. (Winters are too long.) So the FBI has had to be more innovative. Up here I think they use rain. Invariably when I can't get logged onto the Mudcat, it's raining. There, see? Occam's Razor...

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:18 PM

Conspiracy was here ya see, it's all across the net
Provacateurs and maddness cures,... the rest we'll soon forget
Flaming boys and warring toys in spotights made of doom
Are inside out in whimpy doubt, as knee jerks to the gloom!
ttr *BG*

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:26 PM

Hood's soldiers fought like there was no tomorrow. It's the way you should be fighting now, Kim C. No string of mistakes led from the '93 WTC bombing being supervised by the FBI to the Murrah Building bombing to Sept 11 and now to our government PROMISING us we will be nuked and contaminated. All this has been done in order to put a police-state framework in place...legally, on paper.

Well, now we have our police state on paper, and all that has to be done to make it real is for GWBush or one of his designees to say the 'threat' of a bioattack has occurred. After that, all American airports will be closed, all radio and TV will be taken over by FEMA, all roads leading out of cities will be blocked. You will be told to sit still until help arrives, then in 4 days the food riots will begin. A couple of cops will get shot in some city, and according to the edicts of martial law, no one in that city will be issued food until the guns are confiscated (it'll be too dangerous for the 'peacekeepers' to distribute food if there are guns out there). More riots, killing, etc...then eventually the mop-up crews will kill survivors or route them to prison camps as slave labor.

But all this is unnecessary. Just speak out against it, and it will go away. Like turning on a light switch to make the roaches run for the shadows. Your 'government' is nothing but a collection of multi-national corporations now, and your freedoms, rights and liberties cannot be tolerated any longer. You'd better do something about that.

And a good place to start, in case you really AREN'T aware of how this takeover began, is with the '93 bombing. The FBI did it. Why?

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:33 PM

The best government in the world.......wow, that IS scary.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: leprechaun
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:36 PM

I think it's wrong for Thomas the Rhymer to take credit for something obviously written by William Shakespeare.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:36 PM

That was Chuck Barris' alternate ending.

I'm glad that some of us have a little more optomistic. Be careful of those monsters under the bed Guest!

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: catspaw49
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:43 PM

Damn if we don't need a hero to match up with this thoery on it's own terms!!! Where is the Easter Bunny when you need him????

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: MMario
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 02:53 PM

This is a job for *drum roll* The Easter Beagle!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Kim C
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 03:10 PM

Hey, I've got my blackpowder guns. I'm ready for 'em.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 05:14 PM

I wonder if Joe Offer could check to see if GUEST's posts aren't coming the Psych Ward of a Mental Hospital, (or delivered at the other end of a taughtly drawn string, from a can phone).

You talk about being scared of conspiracies. I bet this guy pees so much in his dreams that he has to sleep in a kiddy pool...

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: artbrooks
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 05:28 PM

I visualize ANON.GUEST walking around with his/her belongings in a grocery cart, and using the PC in the public library, where it's warm, to both do his/her "research" and to contact Mudcat. He/she is silly, but harmless.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Beccy
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 05:33 PM

Oh, ARGH... I tried to resist feeding the troll... but...I am powerless to my overpowering sense of being too clever for my own good.

Did the FBI bomb my house around 3 p.m. last night? Oh, wait, no... that must've been the beans I fed the fellas at dinner.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 05:48 PM

No need to apologize, Beccy. Fewer and fewer places on the net present the truth, so I knew you'd be back. You WANT to know the truth, even though it may be unpleasant. Yes, the FBI DID bomb the WTC in '93. I'm just trying to get you folks up to speed so you can eventually all look at current events realistically. And a good place to start is 10 years ago, with the documented fact that the FBI tried to blow up the WTC and failed.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: leprechaun
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 05:59 PM

OK I confess.

All these GUEST trolls have really been me, in my manic-depressive disguise, just putting out a lot of outlandish horseshit to see who would agree with me.

Unfortunately, not many of you have taken the bait. I only have a few radical sicko names to report to the FBI.

Next week I'll adopt a new personna to entrap all the kiddie-porn sickos.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 06:12 PM

Unfortunately, that IS what a lot of people think. If they agree with me...publicly...the bogeymen might show up.

And that's not acceptable in America, folks. We still have a First Amendment Right of free speech. But a right not exercised is a right which doesn't exist. The U.S. government is currently controlled by a global crime syndicate, and that syndicate is trying to use terrorism to accomplish world conquest. ONE way they terrorize is to make you think you are constantly under surveillance. Well you're not. And even if you WERE, how can they act on all the data they collect? It'll take years to collate all the anti-government statements...and by that time they'll be jailing you for body odor and hairstyle, anyway, just so they can use you as slave labor, so you'd better speak out NOW to stop the growing tyranny, or it really WILL end up as you all fear. If not worse.

And why speak out on petty issues? You expose the BIG abuses, not the little. I contend the FBI killed 6 people in 1993 when it tried to kill FIFTY THOUSAND by blowing up the World Trade Center. I contend this establishes a pattern of behavior which would indicate the same people who blew up the bomb in '93 brought down the towers in '01. Our government is killing us in order to forge a police state.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 06:19 PM

Troll feeding time I see!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: NicoleC
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 06:20 PM

*yawn*

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 06:41 PM

guest, are you posting thus tripe anywhere else? Why here? Why do you pick a folk music site to throw out weird conspiricy theories?

I share MY opinions on stuff here also at times...but with a few clicks you can find out exactly who & where I am!...and you can drive right to MY door and 'discuss' it.....but, of course, YOU stand behind a sheet, and bait and make outlandish claims with impunity....

Go away!

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 07:07 PM

Yeah, I'm wondering where else you're posting too. How many hours does one day have? (Yes, I know. 24.)

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Gareth
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 07:08 PM

Was General Hood related to General Douglas Haig ??? If so is there a consprital limk between failed Generals ??


"He's a cheerful old cove, said Harry to Jack,
As they marched up to Arras, with Rifle and Pack,
But he did for them both with his plan of attack !!"

Or something like that.

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 08:16 PM

Well, danged! I like GUEST! There, it's out...

Now, GUEST may not hit every time he fires one of his conspiracy theories up but, hey, many are thought provoking. I might have mentioned a few dozen times over the last 14 months that Iz been hangin' 'round the Catbox that not only do I not trust the government but I also like a conspiracy theory as much as the next nut.

With that said,like anything is possible. Just consider the folks who have been assasinated during the last 40 years in the US. Malcolm X who as a Muslim spoke of white and black people living togetehr as equals. Like Bobby Kennedy, who was doing the same. Like Mertin Luther King, Jr. All voices of moving beyond racism. All killed bgy folks who just didn't quite have legit motives. Hmmmmm? Oh sure, the governemnt has motives for all of them but when you think about it, none of these folks were killed by idealogists with extreme philosophies. This makes me very paranoid of the governemnt. I will go to my grave beleiving that the governemnt killed all three.

Now lets look at the other side. You know, the bigots, the racists, the war mongers. Like, why aren't these folks assasinated? You got Grand Wizzards and an asoortment of other rednecks who can say and o what they want and they die of natural causes. Okay, Ronnie took a bullet but from whom? A nut. Not a CIA/FBI deal there or Ronnie would have been killed. That's one thing about the governemnt. When they want your butt dead, they don't mess around...

Now with the rant over, I don't think the FBI was in on the WTC bombing in '93 becasue it was botched so badly.

Like I say, when these folks do a job, they do it right.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 08:23 PM

Let's see...about ten bulletin boards/forums. That's what I keep bookmarked, and as I get blocked or after I make my major points, I move on...start on another board. Fast typing, no re-writing, little real-time research for URLs, and bookmarking threads makes it a fast business. Fast computers, too. I'm quick to type out my thoughts, so it takes less time than it might seem. I need to work up some broadside-type postings though, with URLs included, to cut down on the quibbling from incredulous people.

The problem with the Mudcat forum is, if a thread isn't posted to, it's prioritized down the list and out of sight pretty quickly. So I have to keep re-visiting to post something so you folks will have more time to see the thread. It IS important to me that you see this stuff...I'm not pulling your chains...and after I hit the high points I'll move on.

Mainly I just want people to know there is an alternate and valid view of current events. All through history governments have attacked their own people in order to unify them against a fabricated 'outside threat'. Only now, we're getting down to the endgame. Just a couple more attacks and consolidations, and we're going to have a unified tyrannical world government. I look just as hard for evidence to DISprove this as I look for evidence to substantiate it, but the more I read the more I see the same names crop up...old-money names connected with terrorism, arms sales, banking, etc.

Another thing I do is, when I surprise myself and present a well-though-out idea that might be of use to the public, I copy and paste it into an email to editorial writers. They reach thousands at a time, so it's a better use of my time than writing letters to the editor. In my opinion.

Yeah, I've been spending a lot of time here, and I know it's a music forum, but we're all people too, and we're about to be fed upon by a bunch of vampires. Seriously, the decadent old royal families of Europe...jaded from centuries of having it all...are the basis for vampire legends. The 'count' in the castle on the hill. And these same perverts are major shareholders in the New World Order and are about to reach a point where they no longer have to hide their despicable activities. We will be disarmed and imprisoned, and if they want to skin you alive after that, what will stop them? So I just think people should know about these things.

Total typing time: 7 minutes +/-

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: leprechaun
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 08:30 PM

Sometimes they do.

They seriously botched the Branch Davidian raids twice by underestimating the evil of David Koresh and his minions. And that's how it usually is with the FBI and most other law enforcement agencies. They get complacent. They think too well of people, and expect them to act civilized, like the vast majority of people they deal with. After several thousand raids, undercover stings and arrests, they get the notion that nobody will really fight back like homicidal maniacs.

Subject: RE: BS: Did the FBI bomb the WTC in '93?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 08:36 PM

The only reason the tower didn't fall in '93 was because a New Yorker was illegally parked and the van with the bomb couldn't get up against the central support column. Could only get within 8 feet. They tried, folks. They tried HARD. And they learned lessons. In 1995, when they blew up the Murrah building in Oklahoma City, they had two men in blue jumpsuits hold the parking place in front of the building for mind-control victim McVeigh. 12 surveillance tapes were seized by the feds and never shown at the trial, because the tapes show others involved in the bombing.