BS: Glasgow earthquake!

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 04:02 PM

Jack my friend you are wrong!
Although there is a national disgust with New Labour, especially Blair and his cronies, there is also a political movement at work in Scotland and I am absolutely certain that we will achieve independence from the UK in under five years.

We would have become an Independent nation back in the 1970's had the Scots not put their faith in the Labour Party to defeat the Conservatives....Instead, the Labour Party joined the Conservatives and fucked the Scots.

We will never make that mistake again.
Maybe you have to be a Scot and live here, but I know something is happening in Scotland, coupled with a new sense of self- belief, that I hope will be a template for smaller countries all over the world.
There will be a battle for the "soul" of the new Scotland but hopefully we will follow an egalitarian agenda and hammer another nail in the coffin of Global Capitalism..Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Gulliver
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 04:30 PM

I think I can empathize with Shimrod. I worked for years in Germany for a large multi-national and due to changes in markets, etc., saw many clever men who had worked their butts off to get their qualifications and move into management/supervisory positions being turned into robots and pen-pushers. At least in our company they were well paid, but boy, were they frustrated!

On client visits to engineering companies I often saw similar cases, men and women doing "busy-work" until they reached retirement age, but without having the advantage of the good pay that we had. The amount of secret drinking that went on on the job was unbelievable! My girl-friend's father drank himself to death just after retirement (having started drinking at work many years before).

I was made redundant two years ago and am happily working part-time and doing a lot of voluntary work, also playing a bit of music (something I rarely had time for before).

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 08:41 PM

'There will be a battle for the "soul" of the new Scotland but hopefully we will follow an egalitarian agenda and hammer another nail in the coffin of Global Capitalism..Ake '

i think Khomeini used that line with some success. it is bollocks though, isn't it?

We all like the goodies that capitalism showers on us if we're lucky enough to live in the right countries.

either way make sure the tassells on your sporan don't inflame the deeply hidden passions of John Knox's true inheritors.

Khomeini went from liberalism to handchopping in a period of about a week.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 11:00 PM

akenaton

I may be wrong. I am not a Scott. But I know a number of Quebecers who talked then as you do now. Some still do.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 03:06 AM

Al..... I hate boasting, but my predictions have a habit of coming true..:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 03:12 AM

Just as a matter of interest to me, what do you and Jack have against the idea of Scottish Independence?

Scotland is quite different from Quebec historically.
We are an ancient nation in our own right.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 04:12 AM

I have nothing against it at all. I just don't see one closely lost election as a sign that it is impending.

Certainly with the EU and the recent success of Ireland its not as risky an economic proposition as it used to be.

Best of luck to you!

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 04:55 AM

Thanks Jack....The SNP did achieve a swing of almost 25% to overturn a 13000 majority; and that in a seat which had been solidly Labour for half a century.

Don't listen to Teribus's shite...he's only whistling in the dark.
They say he wears "Union Jack" pyjamas.

Al...who exactly would we want to practice "limb lopping" against?

I don't envisage a Pol Pot style of revolution and there are more Muslims here than Wee Free's......Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 10:04 AM

I dunno. You gotta face it, your country was very big on witch burning, closing the pubs at ten pm, tawse weilding teachers, punishing fornicators, football hooliganism and razor weilding gangsters at one time - not mention supporting dodgy Stewart monarchs, and the divine right of kings. And Lulu is a tory.

Amidst all that fine socialism - there is a streak of illiberality. You don't notice it so much, cos you're more spread out than we are. But I think the struggle for the soul of Scotland may be conducted with all the good grace of a Billy Bremner tackle.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Stu
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 10:11 AM

An independent Scotland could benefit from the hydrocarbons still under the North Sea.

Still, I'm always puzzled by anyone's desire to maintain the Union, so I applaud the SNP.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 12:08 PM

>>An independent Scotland could benefit from the hydrocarbons still under the North Sea.

Good luck with getting that without a fight.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 12:23 PM

It's a pity there can't be an English equivalent of the SNP and Plaid Cymru - nationalist without being racist, and well to the left of the present Labour Party.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Gulliver
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 02:01 PM

Practically every party in the country, with the possible exception of the BNP, is to the left of the present Labout Party!

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 03:39 PM

Jack's right about the oil Stigweard, but we can soon be in a position to export energy from Hydro Electricity and offshore wind farms.

Personally I would like to see the new Scotland concentrate on using and producing LESS energy and promotion of energy saving in all facets of life.
This would probably lead to a "lowering" of material living standards in the short term, so persuading the politicians to take this course oif action woul also be difficult.

Time will tell.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Stu
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 03:55 PM

"It's a pity there can't be an English equivalent of the SNP and Plaid Cymru - nationalist without being racist, and well to the left of the present Labour Party"

There's way too much anti-English feeling for this to ever happen. Every time the idea is floated there are cries of 'racist' and 'right-wing', and you'll never get away from that. I don't think you could express English nationalism, in fact I can't see how you could (think back to the reaction of Roots by Show of Hands).

Too much baggage from the past.

Unless . . .

We could shrug off the Norman Yoke and declare a republic and start again - from the left!

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 04:12 PM

A little thread drift.

I see "Mad Milliband" is preparing to chalenge Brown for the leadership. Does he remind you of anyone?

You think the Party is right wing now, just wait till these guys take control!
Your all welcome to come to Scotland, but you'll need tae grow yer ain tatties an keep a few hens!...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 04:17 PM

In this context "English nationalism" means being in favour of an end to the Union with Scotland (and Wales, if that's what the Welsh want).

Nothing in the least racist about that - after all that's what Scots in favour of independence want, and they can come in all colours and from all kinds of ancestral homelands. I understand you don't have to wear a kilt and have a Caledonian pedigree stretching back yonks to support the SNP.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 04:57 PM

>>"It's a pity there can't be an English equivalent of the SNP and Plaid Cymru - nationalist without being racist, and well to the left of the present Labour Party"<<

You have to admit that when a huge ruling majority talks about being oppressed it rings a bit hollow. Now if Yorkshire had a separatist party they'd be on to something.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Teribus
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 09:25 AM

"The SNP did achieve a swing of almost 25% to overturn a 13000 majority; and that in a seat which had been solidly Labour for half a century." - Akenaton

That was entirely down to the fact that 57.75% of the electorate of the Glasgow East Constituency could be bothered to lift themselves from their apathetic "couldnae-gie-a-fuck" arses to vote.

Mid term protest vote nothing more nothing less.

As for Akenaton's predictions, off hand I can't think of one that he's got right. Should have consulted Salmond about Scotland being independent within 5 years. It will come as news to him he isn't prepared to put it before the country by way of a referendum for another 10 years. If a referendum was held on Independence for Scotland tomorrow the result would be a resounding NO. If, however, that referendum were to include the people of England, Scotland would be independent by the end of the month.

Akenaton wishes to cut production of hydrocarbons at a time when the price for that resource is at a high, well what country needs income from natural resources? Gives a good indication though of how well his head is screwed on. He forgets what the people of Shetland and Orkney said about "Scotland's Oil" back in 1975 - They told the SNP that if Scotland voted for Independence they would stay with Westminster. Now take away "Orkney & Shetlands Oil" and Scotland don't have that much to speak of. As a Shetlander I'd take this Independence thing a couple of stages further. If Scotland votes for Independence then we vote to seperate from Scotland and revert to direct rule from Norway, taking with us our natural resources. The Norwegians would welcome the return and not being in the EU, the Orkneys and Shetlands would get back their fishing industries and reap the benefits of becoming part of one of the richest countries in the world.

Akenaton wants to sell the electorate of Scotland on universal reduction of their standard of living - Good luck to him with that.

Akenaton also has not mentioned that the population of Scotland would have to pay more in tax in order to live in an independent Scotland with a reduced standard of living.

Sounds like most of what he spouts, arrant drivel, emotive lefty nonsense without a whit of commonsense, logic or reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 02:30 PM

My My Teribus didn't think you would have the cheek to show your face back on this thread after the heap of shite you aimed at Shimrod.

Who do you think you are? Shimrod was giving a personal opinion of a working environment that many of us recognise. The sickening hierarchial environment that strips work of pleasure and job satisfaction.
However let us move on...You lead us to believe that you have taken up residence in Scotland, if this is so, even wearing your customary blinkers, you cannot have missed seeing the change in Scottish politics....People actually talk about politics these days....There is a buzz everywhere...people are excited...something is happening at last.

After years of being told by UK politicians that we Scots were too stupid to look after our own affairs, Alex Salmond has shown that a Scottish government is more than a match for a United Kingdom one.
The last bye-election was no protest vote, it was made by Salmond into a test of strength between Westminster and Hollyrood and guess who came out on top? In a seat which has been solidly Labour for years.
Mid term protest vote my arse! apathy is built into the UK electoral
system, nobody really believes that they are represented anymore...except bankers and retired Naval pen pushers!!

Predictions? Oh yes I suppose you forgot about that little skirmish over in Iraq that the Americans were going to tidy up in months.

Who predicted that it would be a disaster for Iraq and for Blairs Labour Party? While you patted youself on the back over "Shock and Awe".

A few posts ago you described me as a "Wee Heilan anarchist without a positive thought or idea in my head, what a laugh!! Your last two posts on this thread are the biggest load of negativity that I've ever read....and negativity about your adopted country at that.

Best plan for you would be tae pack up yer Union Jack pygamas in yer auld kitbag and get tae fuck back ower the border.
The new Scotland will have no need for "military men" retired or otherwise
I'll leave you with the words of Hamish Henderson tae ponder, he for one, would have been proud of his countrymen when they put war behind them for ever!

"Nae mair will our bonnie callants
Merch tae war when oor braggarts crousely craw
Nor wee weans frae pitheid an clachan
Mourn the ships sailin doun the Broomielaw
Broken faimlies in lands we've hairriet
Will curse 'Scotlan the Brave' nae mair, nae mair
Black an white ane-til-ither mairriet
Mak the vile barracks o thair maisters bare"

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 02:45 PM

Please do not send Teribus back.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 02:51 PM

As long as he doesn't emigrate to Canada! It doesn't bear thinking about.

You know, when I saw this thread title the first thing that occurred to me was...

"Bloody hell! Eddie Whatnoll must have fallen off the living room sofa again."

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Teribus
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 03:39 PM

"You lead us to believe that you have taken up residence in Scotland" - Akenaton.

"Best plan for you would be tae pack up yer Union Jack pygamas in yer auld kitbag and get tae fuck back ower the border." - Akenaton.

"Please do not send Teribus back." - Richard Bridge.

"As long as he doesn't emigrate to Canada! It doesn't bear thinking about." - Little Hawk.

Simple question for the three of you:

Exactly who the fuck do you lot think you are telling people where they can or cannot live?

Oh and Akenaton just a point but the day I let some little twerp like you tell me to "get tae fuck" out of the country I was born and raised in will be a long time in its dawning.

"you cannot have missed seeing the change in Scottish politics....People actually talk about politics these days....There is a buzz everywhere...people are excited...something is happening at last."

Really? Voter turn out at the last Scottish General Election was what again Akenaton? Round about 35% wasn't it? That's a buzz is it?

18% of the Glasgow East electorate vote SNP and that's excitement, interest and the dawning of a new political day is it Akenaton? Well at least by now you must be inured to disappointment

MGOH I would like to know where in either my post of 28 Jul 08 - 01:38 PM or in the post of 28 Jul 08 - 04:48 PM, that I made a personal attack on Guest Shimrod?

Whereas GUEST,Shimrod's post of 28 Jul 08 - 04:09 PM was in toto a personal attack on me.

Case of one sauce for the goose and another for the gander eh Kevin? Another thing that "socialists" are remarkably good at justifying.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 03:53 PM

My, such a satisfying response, Mr "T". Pistols at dawn, I presume?

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 04:39 PM

You were born and raised in Scotland?
If thats true it makes your comments even worse..Or is a case of Brit first...Scot second.
Suppose we better not inflict you on Hawk or Richard...We'll just keep you here and re-educate you....Sorry educate you.

Don't you see the satire flying EVERYWHERE Teribus, even traditional Tory voters are turning into Nationalists...Those conservative pillars of the Union.
Whether you like it of not, The Imperialist warmongering United Kingdom is finished ...and you know it.
I no longer gamble, but have had some right good touches in my time.
I would be pleased to accept some of your money at evens, that the SNP make substancial gains from Labour at the next election?
As I say, apathy is built into the UK electoral system and for 42% of the Glagow East electorate to turn out for a By-Election was excellent. A sign that a political sea change is under way.
This was a seat in a Labour heartland, a society steeped in the "benefits culture" three generations lost and forgotten, yet they got up off their apathetic "couldnae gie a fuck" arses in sufficient numbers to remove the Unionist parasites who have kept the in a state of degradation for more than eighty years.

I hope that we become a nation not just concerned with our economic welfare, but one with a regained sense of pride and self belief.

No more Trident weapons systems, no more suppying of young men and women as cannon fodder for our warmongering UK leaders....Salmond spoke out in the strongest terms against the Iraq War,   while people like you and a good percentage of Labour MPs applauded the slaughter of hundreds of thousands...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 05:43 PM

Only one thing could have stopped us...The Auld Scottish pessimism!

Scotland by Alastair Reid
"It was a day peculiar to this piece of the planet
when larks rose on long thin strings of singing
and the air shifted with the shimmer of actual angels.
Greenness entered the body. The grasses
shivered with presences and sunlight
stayed like a halo on hair and heather and hills.
Walking into town, I saw, in a radiant raincoat,
the woman from the fish-shop. 'What a day it is!'
cried I, like a sunstruck madman.
And what did she have to say for it?
Her brow grew bleak, her ancestors raged in their graves
as she spoke with their ancient misery:
'We'll pay for it, we'll pay for it, we'll pay for it!'


At a recent gathering of writers, the author of this poem Alastair Reid, took the original manuscript from his pocket and set fire to it in front of the assembled crowd.
"That was the old Scotland" he cried "now it is gone!"

Welcome to the new Scotland Teribus!!

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 06:36 PM

It will come as news to him he isn't prepared to put it before the country by way of a referendum for another 10 years.

That'd be news to everyone. The SNP have said that they wish to have a referendum in 2010, by which time they will have had a full term in office. Doesn't seem unreasonable. So where did the "10 years" come from?

Of course one significance of 2010 would be that by that time it will have become clear whether the English voters wish to put the Tories back in power, and that might affect how Scots vote, especially if there is a Tory landslide in England.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Teribus
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 08:44 PM

MGOH I would like to know where in either my post of 28 Jul 08 - 01:38 PM or in the post of 28 Jul 08 - 04:48 PM, that I made a personal attack on Guest Shimrod?

Whereas GUEST,Shimrod's post of 28 Jul 08 - 04:09 PM was in toto a personal attack on me.

Case of one sauce for the goose and another for the gander eh Kevin? Another thing that "socialists" are remarkably good at justifying.

This seems to be a question that you have ducked or do you want me to take this as a PM? But I tell you now I WILL publish any reply on this thread, you hypocritical prat.

Very pleased to hear that Little Hawk finds that it is within his province to dictate where people can live and where they can't - No real problem there because Little Hawk's racist opinions are entirely his own and actually effect nothing.

Please note that on this forum I have never advocated, or voiced, an opinion as to where anyone posting here may or may not live. Little Hawk on the other hand seems to feel qualified and entitled to do so, speaks volumes for the pair of us LH, the "little" may be right , but you defame the name of a bird and species that is an excellent parent, which you old son are certainly not, unless of course you count a small dog, Chongo and Shane as your "family", of which only the first exists in real life - Tell me? How sad is that?.

"Don't you see the satire flying everywhere?" Fuckin' brilliant Akenaton!!!! You do of course mean "Don't you see the SALTIRE flying everywhere" At least I have enough recognition of the symbols of my own country to get them right!!! It is actually a measure of insecurity, nothing more.

Now let's take a look at this:

"This was a seat in a Labour heartland, a society steeped in the "benefits culture" three generations lost and forgotten, yet they got up off their apathetic "couldnae gie a fuck" arses in sufficient numbers to remove the Unionist parasites who have kept the in a state of degradation for more than eighty years."

Quite right Akenaton, "a society steeped in the "benefits culture", now tell me what is it that this, "a society steeped in the "benefits culture" expects from an independent Scotland under an SNP Government? Are they all immediately going to transform themselves into productive members of society? Or is it going to be more of the same in belief of slightly higher level of state benefits? And no what your SNP votes in Glsagow East actually translates to is that 18.2% of the electorate voted SNP and it was allowed to stand - Hey Akenaton that means that slightly one person in five turned out to vote for the SNP and all of a sudden that becomes "the will of the people" and indicates the way that they want to go - lesson in realism Akenaton oh no it does not.

Tell you what Akenaton, an exercise in what you truly believe. You organise a petition for a referendum on Scottish independence now, put that up to Alex Salmond and this SNP in which you hold such faith - Then come back and tell us what they tell you. I'll tell you now there is not one single member of the Scottish Nationalist that is prepared to put it to the vote.

By the bye you little twerp come back with reasoned arguement not your usual irrelevant emotive crap - One Scot to another.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Teribus
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 09:10 PM

I'll place a bet here folks - Bet Akenaton does absolutely fuck all with regard to pushing forward any debate on a referendum for Scottish Independence - That is how "committed" Akenaton is.

Statement made - Tell us Akenaton, exactly what you have done to prove me a liar?

Readers, please don't be too surprised if the response and answer is - Fuck All.

Akenaton = Bar Room Revolutionary, all dearly held political beliefs immediately forgotten, when real-life problems spring to the fore and actual solutions must be found.

Akenaton, old son as a Scotsman, you are a complete and utter dinosaur, best left many metres under the earth, your paths like those you followed previously only lead to impoverishment, degradation and disaster. Having read and istened to your "professed" arguements, you haven't got a clue as to which end is up.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 09:25 PM

Gawd...I love it when you wax all quasi-serious about my latest tongue-in-cheek comments, Teribus. You are a true wit of the poker-faced variety. You exceed even Charles Bronson and Winston Churchill at conveying an aspect of grim resolve, but I know that deep down you really love me, you approve of my radical views, you dote on my fictional characters, you are delighted by my catholic sense of humour and my natural loyalty to the glorious British Empire, and you are just feigning all this righteous anger and contempt that you pretend to be aiming my way.

Great acting, mate. Bloody marvelous. Almost anyone would be convinced that you despise me.

But we know better, don't we? ;-) Why, we're practically like brothers, you and I.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: DougR
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 10:13 PM

My, my, my. Things do heat up a spell sometime don't they? For the record, Teribus, I thought "what's his name" was very disrespectful of you and your opinion. What happened to "what's his name" anyway?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Teribus
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 10:17 PM

It was a simple question Little Hawk to which you have as yet not provided an answer:

"Exactly who the fuck do you think you are telling people where they can or cannot live?"

Please don't pass this off as, "Aw shucks I was jest kiddin'" - a-la Bobert. You meant every damn word of it, but just didn't expect to pulled up on it. Sorry old son you have, now just explain to everyone hear on "Mudcat" why you should be the arbitrator as to who, and who cannot, live in Canada.

If you cannot, them shut the fuck up and retract your comment.

Oddly enough, Litle Hawk, I have been asked three times in my life whether or not I would be prepared to live in Canada, so far three times I have declined the offer.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 12:46 AM

Three times? Good lord. Think what Canada has lost!

But to the contrary, old sport. I wouldn't particularly mind at all if you...or anyone else like you...decided to move to Canada. I don't see why it would matter, after all. It's a very large country with lots of available space. I was just...what's the British expression for it? "Taking the piss" is it? To wit, I was indeed simply idly pulling your chain for the sheer entertainment value, old pal, having a little meaningless fun at your expense, and you responded so marvelously, just like a moray eel darting angrily out of his lair. That's why I enjoy talking with you so much. It's like playing ping pong, you always know there's another fast return from Mr "T" coming across the net shortly.

If you like, I'll even put in a good word for you with the immigration people in Nunavut. Then too, Blind River can always use another old sorehead, specially an old Scottish sorehead. You would find many kindred souls in Blind River. There are numerous Scots there, as well as Irish. And there's a lot to get sore about in Blind River too. Dreadful lack of social services and good restaurants, for example.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 02:14 AM

Hah Teribus thats one of your bets down the "Swanee".
I am perfectly happy to discuss a Scottish Independence Referendum, which I'm sure will happen within FIVE years not TEN.
I may sometimes make the odd typo or spelling error, but you on the other hand seem to have no grasp of the facts involved in the future of your own country.

Now, to the main bet....The one about the forecast SNP landslide?
If you are man enough, show us the colour of your money....I'll even let Doug hold the bet.....He may be an idiot, but he seems an honest idiot :0)

McGrath is quite correct, Alex Salmond is a shrewd politician, and knows only too well that when Mr Cameron moves into Downing Street, the move for Independence will be unstoppable.

Mr McGrath is also correct about the proposed timescale, and I wish you would exemt him from your personal abuse, as he is one of the most civil men on these boards..Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 03:02 AM

Regarding my ideas for the future of Scotland, they are my personal wishes which I hope to see some time in the future.
Mr Salmond, being a politician, may wish to turn our country into another short term "economic miracle", so beloved of Teribus!
These economic questions are for the Scottish people to decide.
One thing I do know, our country will be better free of the UK ego-maniacs who rule the roost in Westminster.

BTW Little Hawk I wouldn't pine too much over Canada's "loss"

I hear all Teribus's offers were made by Scotsmen...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 03:18 AM

Btw Teribus I've lived in scotland for a long long time and haven't heard the expression "twerp" used as a term of abuse.
Sounds a bit "Home Counties" to me.
If you had called me a wee "nyaff" for example it would have sounded better... although being factually wrong

How long have you actually LIVED in Scotland?
You certainly don't seem to have developed much of the famous Scottish character.

In fact, you sound about as genuine as a four pound note!

Another prediction..... Scotland will be free, no argument, no discussion.....Just for once bold, plain fact!!

Stick it in your book then stick it where the sun don't shine....Sunshine.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 04:04 AM

And you Akenaton are a shining example of "that famous Scottish character" are you? A whinging malcontent, whose only wish for the future is for some other form of Government to "break" through to once again jump on a treadmill and subsidise you.

As to how long I have actually lived in Scotland? Good question, I have lived and worked all over the world Akenaton and found it to have been an informative and beneficial experience.

While you have been ranting on in your staccatto-like posts, spluttering about me. I note that you have still not addressed the question put to you regarding votes and voter turnout.

Glasgow East By-Election - Slightly less than one person in five voted for the SNP.

Last Scottish General Election - Slightly more than one person in five voted for the SNP.

Dream on Akenaton by my book that means roughly 80% of the electorate of Scotland don't want to know and they will be the ones who will vote in any referendum on the subject - accept that as being plain fact.

The number of people "flying the flag"? I've always been a bit suspicious of those who have to fly a bit of coloured bunting to bolster their sense of nationality and belonging, it tends to indicate that they lack confidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Stu
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 04:12 AM

Teribus a Scot.

Wonders will never cease. You really can't tell a thing about the people who post on this board, even though we have been discussing these things for years.

I have to say Tezza, I would never have had you down as a Scot in a million years. You must be the only Tory left in the country. I must to say this puts the West Lothian question in a whole new light - I was banking on the fact the Scots had the good sense to run all the right-wingers out of the country years ago (apart from the Scottish Labour party).

I was utterly convinced you were a home-counties Anglo-Saxon, judging by your unquestioning devotion to the establishment and unswerving defence of life under the Norman Yoke.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 04:19 AM

'The Imperialist warmongering United Kingdom is finished ....'

bit of wishful thinking......!

Still one or two punch ups going on out there!

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 04:37 AM

Stigweard - yet another left winger who thinks that they can tell people where they can or cannot live. So much for "socialist" egalitarianism.

"I was utterly convinced you were a home-counties Anglo-Saxon, judging by your unquestioning devotion to the establishment and unswerving defence of life under the Norman Yoke." - Well Stigweard, at least you now know how wrong you can be about things don't you. Now why on earth anyone should be surprised at me being Scottish is rather strange. Apart from me stating that clearly a number of times on threads on this forum, my chosen "Mudcat" name gives the game away every time I post.

By the bye Kevin, has the cat got your tongue? I'll ask you again:

"MGOH I would like to know where in either my post of 28 Jul 08 - 01:38 PM or in the post of 28 Jul 08 - 04:48 PM, that I made a personal attack on Guest Shimrod?

Whereas GUEST,Shimrod's post of 28 Jul 08 - 04:09 PM was in toto a personal attack on me.

Case of one sauce for the goose and another for the gander eh Kevin? Another thing that "socialists" are remarkably good at justifying."

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 05:10 AM

"A whinging malcontent" seems a pretty good description of yourself on this thread Teribus.


"Glasgow East By-Election - Slightly less than one person in five voted for the SNP."
The voters of Glasgow East have become so demoralised by their UK representation, that it's a wonder any voted at all.
It says much for the Nationalists that they could overturn such a majority in a sink like Glasgow East

What a change in I year!!
We're moving forward fast Teribus......hold on to your Trilby hat...I'm sure it won't be a Blue Bonnet...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Stu
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 05:19 AM

"yet another left winger who thinks that they can tell people where they can or cannot live"

Er, don't make things up Tezza - I haven't told you where you should live, I was just musing on the fact you're a rare breed - a rabid right-winger north of the border.

As for being a left-winger - I'm a a Marxist pure and simple.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 05:32 AM

And what exactly is it that I appear to be whinging about Akenaton? Or is that just the whiff of a brain fart that has blown in from the left field in that spite infested custard you call a brain?

Plain to see what Shimrod is whining about - By the bye didn't you find it odd that when challenged "being tossed on the scrap-heap" and reduced to "dossing around taking photographs" all of a sudden became "left a job I loved by choice" and "now working extremely hard in unpaid "voluntary work" with people who know about real team work."

Plain to see what you whine on endlessly about.

Then there's Little Hawk the "universal underdog" - He whinges about everything. Everybody in God's creation is out of step with LH - Which is why I suppose he, at his age, still requires to invent imaginary "friends" to talk to.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 07:17 AM

I note that Teribus igmored my query "So where did the "10 years" come from?

As for personal attacks, I somehow misconstrued that bit in Teribus 28 Jul 08 - 01:38 PM as a personal attack directed at Shimrod:

I have never heard such self-pitying drivel in my entire life, I would rather hope somebody shot me before I came out with such crap.

I suppose it's all down to how we interpret the term "personal attack".

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 07:53 AM

Kevin some examples:

"As for personal attacks, I somehow misconstrued that bit in Teribus 28 Jul 08 - 01:38 PM as a personal attack directed at Shimrod:

I have never heard such self-pitying drivel in my entire life, I would rather hope somebody shot me before I came out with such crap.

I suppose it's all down to how we interpret the term "personal attack".

How about:

GUEST,Shimrod - PM
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 04:09 PM

For a start, Teribus I don't have to defend myself against people like you - f**k you and your scorn!

OR, How about from the same post:

(38 years of my life, Teribus, you a**hole!).

Now for some reason MGOH sees neither of these as a personal attack – Rather strange, don't you think?

Oh Kevin, could you possibly explain the following sentence of yours:

"Actually I was referring to Teribus's personal attack on Shimrod, when he sounded off against things in general in a non-personalised way."

Can you please explain exactly how you can make a personal attack on someone in a "non-personal way", sounds more than a tad contradictory, and a bit daft to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 08:08 AM

My God Teribus, I've really got you on toast in this one.
"What am I whinging about?"......Take your pick, but Scottish Independence will do for a start.....Or the imminent break-up of your own little Roman Empire,the UK.

"Spite infested custard"....an old joke, but didn't it used to be "Shark infested custard"....Your jokes, like your political ideology, are becoming a bit dated.

I know I've got you on toast when you start making personal attacks instead of addressing the subject under discussion, but you don't want to discuss what is happening in Scotland do you Teribus, where, as your friend Doug would say, "the sky is falling"

Aye but this time the sky really is falling.... for you and your kind.
The great United Kingdom will no longer be a power of use to the people who run American foreign policy.

You gloated as the Soviet Union disintegrated, have you the grace to wish Scotland well, as your own "Empire of Evil" goes down the tube?

As you are so fond of saying "I think not"

I don't care about hydrocarbons or the money we can make destroying the planet. We can easily be self sufficient in energy without using nuclear power or increasing the flow of oil.
Adding to our existing Hydro schemes and making careful use of wave and offshore wind we can be in a position to export energy relatively soon.
I dont believe there is one unbiased commentator left who does not believe that we can be a financially viable country.

There are also all the social and health problems endemic to Scotland, which have been largly ignored by successive UK governments, and now need to be addressed by an administration who really care for the long suffering Scots.

This movement has nothing to do with Left or Right wing, that battle will come later, right now what the Scots are increasingly seeking, is self respect, self belief and a wish to assume their rightful place in this world....as equals with all other nationalities, not cannon fodder or ghettoised, benefit ridden failures, kept in subserviance by each succeeding corrupt Westminster regime.

In the seventies, I was one of those who fell for the lie hook line and sinker......."Vote Labour for Socialism....Not the Tartan Tories".

What a lie that proved to be!...Labour moved steadily "right", away from Socialism and the Independence movement lost its momentum.

We wont believe that lie again...Blair/ Brown and New Labour have proved the lie.
This time its "Independence First" as it should have been in the seventies, then we can build the kind of society we want without the interference of foreign wars or the use of religious sectarianism (as in Northern Ireland) to cloud the issue.

You are toast Teribus!! and like it or not emotion sways more voters (and folkies) than all your phoney facts and figures....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 08:14 AM

Teribus you little liar!

In your answer to McGrath you are intentionally transposing to different posts from Shimrod.

You little scamp! you know Shimrod wasn't addressing you in his opening post. You started throwing the personal shit!!

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 08:21 AM

I don't think responding to a personal attack with a personal attack is a sensible way of acting. But the primary responsibility in such circumstances lies with the person who starts it.

Preemptive personal attacks can't be justified on the ground that the person attacked responded in kind, or even over-responded.

Shimrod's initial post was intemporate rhetoric, but it wasn't directed at Teribus or at anyone else on the Mudcat, or indeed at any identified person anywhere. That's what I meant by it being "non-personal".

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 08:32 AM

Mr McGrath you have a very nice line in SALTIRE...Ake


"As for personal attacks, I somehow misconstrued that bit in Teribus 28 Jul 08 - 01:38 PM as a personal attack directed at Shimrod:"

Subject: RE: BS: Glasgow earthquake!
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 09:32 AM

Odd then Akenaton that 80% of the country agree with me.

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