'English Country Dances', Please

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 May 08 - 10:27 AM

WAV-"If I had Michael McGoldrick's outlook, I'd still be singing all the songs I learnt by heart in Australia "

And also, "Within what has become mainstream American culture there are by now may genres, of course."

First one, ok-so McGoldrick, an amazingly talented multi instrumentalist is somehow in your mind some type of traitor because sometimes he plays Irish or Scottish music. Yet if he plays with Kate Rusby, that's ok?

Second one. Yes there are many genres WAV-Rock, Jazz, Blues, Native American, Country, R&B, Hip-Hop, Cajun, Zydeco, Bluegrass. Related to bluegrass though, again I ask you-should songs that travelled to the foothills of Appalachia and throughout the South that are English in origin be abandoned by the inhabitants of that region because of your notion that for them to do so, they are neglecting their own great American songs? See, that's a twist on your words, but if its true for you to say that if an English singer chooses to sing an Irish song, they are neglecting their own English culture, then you have to follow it through to include all over the world, including someone from Kentucky singing about King Henry, or knights, etc. You can't have it both ways.

I now quote from someone who knows a lot more about English music, and who has been hands down, one of its leading figures for over 40 years, Mr. Martin Carthy. Here's the liner notes to the Waterson:Carthy album Common Tongue, as written by Martin:

"There are plenty of bands and individuals playing Scots and Irish music and, indeed we ourselves have sung and do sing stuff which clearly derives from Scotland and Ireland whece our families originally came, but this is deliberately an album of English music, a repertoire often ignored but which has balls enough for anyone. Having said that, the musical instinct is far too inclusive to allow any notions of 'purity' to survive for long, and it is neither possible nor desireable to set up musical border checkpoints anywhere. However, there is that elusive and ever changing thing called identity. This album is respectfully dedicated to two mighty human beings, both of whom died in 1996, both of whom cleaved passionately to notions of 'Englishness' but who would, I think, have been disdainful of any ideas of exclusivity:Dennis Potter and Walter Pardon."

You see WAV, on the one hand you are not alone, in your wish for English folk music to be a strong and well known element. But on the other, you are seemingly alone in what you believe should be the methodology by which this goal should be obtained.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 29 May 08 - 10:31 AM

Poles shouldn't attend dances, they should attend polkas!!!

Or pole dancing.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 May 08 - 10:42 AM

To IE: I'm reluctant to quote in this way, but since you have, MC also said in the BBC doc. made when he got his honour, "English don't know who they are any more."
To Sedayne: somewhere on mudcat I said that, of course, there were social problems in the 1950s, but not as bad as now, and that media and politicians tend to accept that and argue, rather, over possible solutions.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 29 May 08 - 10:49 AM

One more time and then I'll give it a rest. WAV, what's your view on post-2006 non-English immigrants? Would you, personally, prefer them to return whence they came?

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 May 08 - 11:01 AM

WAV-To IE: I'm reluctant to quote in this way, but since you have, MC also said in the BBC doc. made when he got his honour, "English don't know who they are any more."

That has nothing to do with my quote. If anything, my quote is an extension of that. English don't know who they are any more, so here's an album that IS explicitly English, but without puritanical border checkpoints. YOU are the one with the border checkpoints for what you perceive relates to Englishness.I'm sure you must absolutely hate The Imagined Village for that reason. You still have not answered several direct questions I have put to you. Makes me think you can't argue my points, because all you can stick with is some rigid dogma based on an antiquated notion of the country you now call home. Fine, you like the music-great, there's a lot of the people arguing against you on this forum that share that same love, but you are coming across as some moral standard bearer-as if you are saying, you can only enjoy this music the way I say, and not any other. And before you respond to that, I have been to your website, and read your ramblings on music, that's how I can say that.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 29 May 08 - 11:03 AM

Are you not going to answer?

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 May 08 - 11:18 AM

I've been on myspace, are you doing a cryptic crossword, Volgadon? I don't do crosswords...or are you talking in tongues? I know I'm talking about going back in the case of using ceilidh/English country dance. I have answered that in my address to Ruth, Phil. :-(

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 29 May 08 - 11:19 AM

WAV, it has been explained several times in this discussion what happens at English ceilidhs, but as you appear to be convinced that they are somehow damaging to English culture I am curious to know what your own perception is. By your refusal to attend ceilidhs it appears that you don't just object to the word but to the activity as well. If you were serious about preserving and promoting English culture you would be celebrating this, not nit-picking over the use of a word borrowed into the English language.

To repeat it yet again, ceilidhs are events where you will find English Country Dances done. You can also expect dances of foreign origin, such as waltzes, polkas, mazurkas, schottisches and quadrilles, which have been long enough established in England to be considered English dances (by everyone except you, apparently). And as it is a living and thriving (albeit minority) tradition, it continues to invent new dances and borrow others from elsewhere.

If you want to find English Country Dances, go to a ceilidh.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 29 May 08 - 11:21 AM

Here:
"WAV, at what point does something become English?"..don't know - ask Sedayne when he decides I am once again English, and How long is a piece of string?"

So why, then, can't ceilidh be considered an English term, if it has been widely used as such for several years?

Anyway, how do you reconcile the above quote of yours, with this one:
"Critics often mention cut-off points for English culture, and evolution/change, when it's mainly a case of REPLACEMENT: i.e, if an English person is singing an American song in an American accent they are not performing an aspect of their own English culture/if a Swedish tune is being played at a session of English folkies, one of our many fine English tunes is not being heard."

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 29 May 08 - 11:28 AM

I have answered that in my address to Ruth, Phil. :-(

No you haven't. You specifically said that immigration should be limited 'FROM NOW ON', in response to which I pointed out that you've been saying this for some time. So when is NOW - 2008 or 2006? Do you regret that immigration wasn't stopped or limited a few years ago?

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Nick
Date: 29 May 08 - 11:30 AM

>>Eagerly awaiting Nick's next trick,
Yours WAV

Trick?!!

These are poems designed to unveil the underlying truths of being and the ineluctable modality of the sublime. They gain much of their power from the underlying Hegelian derived dialectic and the rich tapestry of medieval symbolism woven into the fabric of the muse. Please treat them with the seriousness that they deserve. Being a poet is hard enough but not being taken seriously (alas and alack) is more than this poor heart may be able to bear. O me miserum (is latin allowed?)

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 29 May 08 - 11:35 AM

I'm sure you must absolutely hate The Imagined Village for that reason.

Why is it with The Imagined Village that it's always held up as the sort of album WAV should hate because of his views? I hate it because it's as shite a piece of bland corporate marketing as you're ever likely to come across with about as much musical merit as Celtic Woman. I'm not saying I'm against such fusions per se, just when it results in such gutless diluted middle-class fol-de-rol then I'd real rather listen to the real thing - be it hard-core hip-hop, field-recorded folk, or whatever, just as long as it kicks some ass. All The Imagined Village does is show up folk as the clueless cultural backwater it most surely is. Give me John Barleycorn Reborn any day, and I'm sure WAV would love that!

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 29 May 08 - 11:47 AM

I was slightly dissapointed with TIV, but I love the concept and many of the touches. I think a lot of interesting things will come from it.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: GUEST, I think we're done
Date: 29 May 08 - 11:52 AM

Shakespeare wrote "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet,"

He was English. Born on St. George's Day ... died on it too, how patriotic is that? ;o) And he made words up. I bet he liked a good clog dance.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 May 08 - 11:57 AM

"Do you regret that immigration wasn't stopped or limited a few years ago?"...yes, Phil, frankly I wish it had occurred before I was born, such that I'd been brought up here, and all the mass emigration from, and immigration to, England of late had not occurred. I think I would have still built a good CV, which would have been of use, and that I'd be finding it easier to get on, in general. Having said that, I am genuinely happy to be here in England doing my best/bit.
To Nick - at least no-one's called you a Vogon, thus far! (See my Walkaboutsverse thread in the BS section, if you wish.)

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 May 08 - 11:57 AM

Nick is making me laugh.

Howard, i made this same point ages ago, but he won't acknowledge or respond to it. To wit:

' "but it's also good to PRACTISE your own."

but as you have no idea what happens at an English celidh, you don't know what's being practised there. English culture IS practised at English ceilidhs, so the people who go to them are engaging with and celebrating English culture, regardless of what the event is called. You, on the other hand, are NOT engaging with one of the most dynamic and thriving aspects of the contemporary English folk scene just because you disagree with the name.

Maybe you ought to PRACTISE what you preach.'

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 29 May 08 - 11:58 AM

I think Nick's poetry is inspiring. I wish he used more free verse though.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 29 May 08 - 12:05 PM

I'd real rather listen to the real thing - be it hard-core hip-hop, field-recorded folk, or whatever

Here, I think, we approach the crux of the biscuit.

Take my friend who writes and sings in the style of Hank Williams, complete with fake American accent. Done badly or lazily, as it often is, that kind of thing annoys me intensely. Done well and with passion, as he does (I wouldn't be mentioning him otherwise!) it's brilliant.

Traditional English music is very rarely done badly or lazily - it's rare enough to hear it done at all. But that doesn't mean it's all good, let alone that everything else should be cast out. The passion is the thing - it's what draws us here, but it can be found elsewhere too.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Nick
Date: 29 May 08 - 12:18 PM

I am working on a prose poem in a much freer style about a happy Vogon trapped in a bubble that noone can get in or out of. I think it really lends itself to a more classic form to reflect it's rather tragic content. Also thinking of experimenting with writing it in Old English just to give it some proper roots - I was tempted but as we say - and ne gelæd þu us on costnunge ac alys us of yfele soþlice!

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 May 08 - 12:25 PM

Hurrah! I loved Beowulf. Bring it on.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 29 May 08 - 12:26 PM

So, people of all ages dancing many English dances, enjoying trad. music, having FUN and socialising, upsets you because the title of the event is a loanword?

Stop whinging and being bitter about what might have been and focus on doing something constructive.

" "Do you regret that immigration wasn't stopped or limited a few years ago?"...yes, Phil, frankly I wish it had occurred before I was born, such that I'd been brought up here, and all the mass emigration from, and immigration to, England of late had not occurred. I think I would have still built a good CV, which would have been of use, and that I'd be finding it easier to get on, in general. Having said that, I am genuinely happy to be here in England doing my best/bit.
To Nick - at least no-one's called you a Vogon, thus far! (See my Walkaboutsverse thread in the BS section, if you wish.) "

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 May 08 - 12:29 PM

May I steal your thunder for a moment, Nick, and respond to Phil's promotion of the passionate attitude with this (it refers to a quote from the late Alf Ramsey, "It will all end in tears"):

Poem 150 of 230: TEARS

Watching a documentary
    Of the '66 World Cup,
And the way of England's Ramsey,
    I thought: "Let's give 'passion' up."

It voiced and showed his calm way -
    He playing things down a touch;
And, as his home team won the day,
    They showed care but not too much.

Analytical Englishmen -
    Cool over the tasks that lay;
We see some of it in Henman,
    But it's not the modern way.

Sadly, passion and youthful thought
    Have become the status quo,
And social-standards and sport
    Have sunk relatively low.

From walkaboutsverse.741.com

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 29 May 08 - 12:42 PM

Goodness, you need to read more British history. Passion has always played a role. A really good place to start is TE White's Age of Scandal.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned a Monster
Date: 29 May 08 - 01:15 PM

I've avoided this dreadful thread so far because sedayne and Phil Edwards and Ruth Archer have done such a good job of sucking the thoughts from my head and presenting them to the world.

However:

I don't want to live
in
postwar
       austerity
                Britain
I don't want recieved pro-nun-ci-a-ti-on
       on black and
                                           WHITE
TV and bastard Enoch in the late
1960s
with his "rivers of
                      blood"
(giving sainted Wolverhampton
                              "A BAD NAME")

No.

Give me e-ceilidhs
       Brummie baltis
       Good Polish beers (and better Polish plumbers)
       Bhangra beats and Bollywood chic
       Jerk chicken and dumplings
       Bagels
       Pizza (stoned baked)
       Even the Imagined Village (for the concept if not the execution)
       English cricket captains with subcontinental names
       Even Aussies...

NONE OF THIS
Ruins my Melton Mowbray Pork Pie
Or Shirley Collins albums
Or Wychwood Hobgolblin
Or, By God, Mrs Kirkham's Tasty Lancashire

Its all part of
               My
                beautiful
                         chaotic
                                 multiculti
                                           England
                                                
So wind yer neck in, WAV!

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Nick
Date: 29 May 08 - 01:18 PM

Alf Ramsay was an anachronism. Look at the turmoil, change, passion and excitement of the mid-60s that was happening all around him. You are very fond of quoting wikipedia so here's a quote from there which accords more with my memory of the 60's -

"The 1960s have become synonymous with all the new, exciting, radical, and subversive events and trends of the period, which continued to develop in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s and beyond. In Africa the 1960s was a period of radical political change as countries gained independence from their European colonial rulers, only for this rule to be replaced in many cases by civil war or corrupt dictatorships."

Tension between the superpowers at an increasing level; student riots in USA and Europe; the Civil Rights movement in the USA; etc etc

With even the slightest grasp of a historical perspective one sees that each era holds the seeds of future change. Even radical change is rooted in strands that go way back in time. Unfortunately those who look back to a halcyon time when everything was fine neglect to see that the agents of change present in those times was what led us (fairly inexorably) to where we are today. The past you yearn for is unfortunately the father of the world you live in now and you can never return and re-write that history (except of course in a mutlidimensional world - I recommend the book and site Imagining the Tenth Dimension to anyone who wants to bend their brain for a while). The past is the engineer of it's own destruction.

Passion and youthful thought are a product of all ages. If you had to pick two decades in the last century I would guess the 20s and 60s would be the ones most would pick rather than now.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 May 08 - 01:19 PM

Hurrah, ESAM!

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 29 May 08 - 01:25 PM

ne gelæd þu us on costnunge ac alys us of yfele soþlice!

That's easy for you to say.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Nick
Date: 29 May 08 - 01:27 PM

I need to go and practice for two gigs at the weekend so leave you with this quick poem (one of them is outdoors so we need good weather) -

I NEED A SUNNY SUNDAY

Disappointed at the five day weather forecast
And Sunday needing sun for the gig to go right
I rediscovered my butterfly net
And found an unsuspecting cabbage white.

I booked him BA first class to Chile
"Create the right sort of chaos" was my wish.
If we have a hurricane on Sunday
It won't be the fault of Michael Fish



I'm afraid my interest with poetry probably died with Yeats so that will be the last of them. Drivel anyway.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 May 08 - 01:44 PM

Very clever, Nick!

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 29 May 08 - 02:49 PM

You contradict yourself, WAV.

for the record, Ruth, I'm NOT saying my family or you should repatriate - I am saying that, FROM NOW ON, the UN should agree to slow emigration down

"Do you regret that immigration wasn't stopped or limited a few years ago?"...yes, Phil, frankly I wish it had occurred before I was born

Evidently you don't just wish immigration could be limited FROM NOW ON, you wish it could have been limited a few decades ago. Presumably this is because you believe too many of the wrong sort of people have pitched up here in that time. So here we are, us good English types over here and those pesky wrong-sort first generation immigrants over here - presumably you think the country would be that much more green and pleasant if they removed themselves. Yes?

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 May 08 - 02:53 PM

I've always been a wrong 'un, me. I'm only here to take your men and pollute your bloodstock.

Anyone fance a cheeseburger?

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Def Shepard
Date: 29 May 08 - 02:54 PM

Actually that's what I had for tea (three of them), I feel SUCH a traitor and terribly unEnglish :-D

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 May 08 - 03:09 PM

To Phil - I've argued the UN should take contol of emigration/immigration and help genuine assylum seekers to their NEAREST safe country; and, because you repeatedly asked, yes I wish it would have occurred earlier; further, asked about repatriation, another matter, I'm not saying everyone should do as I've done. That's as clear and frank as I can be on this, so, unless a little birdie has news of an English county dance, this is a dead thread, as far as I'm concerned.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Def Shepard
Date: 29 May 08 - 03:12 PM

WAV said, again, "I've argued the UN should take contol of emigration/immigration and help genuine assylum seekers to their NEAREST safe country" As long as it's not England.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Def Shepard
Date: 29 May 08 - 03:20 PM

So WAV is giving up and taking his cricket/tennis ball home with him. A dead thread, but of course it is, because no one will agree with his nasty racist points of view and opinions, and WAV is, without a doubt a racist, whether he cares to admit it or not. Please don't say hello to your BNP/ENP/Justice for England friends from us and watch your arse on the door knob on your way out.

From All in Birmingham

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 May 08 - 03:34 PM

I've never heard of the ENP, I'm not a member of any political party, the nearest safe country for an assylum seeker could be England, and what you just said is false and defamatory - racism is where someone says they are all like this or that, which I have never done. Questioning immigration - which I will keep doing - is antother matter, DS of Birmingham.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 May 08 - 03:43 PM

"racism is where someone says they are all like this or that, which I have never done. Questioning immigration - which I will keep doing - is antother matter"

your narrow definition of racism is kind of irrelevant. There are many definitions of racism. For some years, the BNP have been running on a very similar platform to the one you espouse, WAV: foreigners are fine, as long as they're not over here; our culture is being diluted because of outside influences; foreigners are keeping English people out of jobs...

are these sentiments you agree with, or not, WAV?

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 May 08 - 03:49 PM

From the BNP website:

"On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration...We will also clamp down on the flood of 'asylum seekers', all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries."

"We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons."

"We will also seek to instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain."


Sound familiar, WAV?

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 May 08 - 03:50 PM

How convenient you pronounce this a dead thread WAV. Was that because no one agreed with you? Was that because you can't answer, or refuse to answer questions that I and others have asked of you? Or for that matter defend statements that you make, with verbatim quotes from your "website" ad infinitum? Do you accept any form of disagreement WAV? You are the one trying to make a point. At no point on this thread have I seen you step back and say...I respectfully disagree. Instead you send us a link back to your entire website in search of some vague point that may be related to the point in question. Here's the thing, I disagree with people on here all the time, a lot of time we find agreement, partial agreement. Because of your bold pronouncements upon a form of music you have only fairly recently become acquainted with, you alienate people who have decades more working experience with the form than you have. Instead of taking the advice and wisdom of professionals like Chris Parkinson and Eliza Carthy, you have chosen to disregard even their words. Which is why this leaves you with a thread in which no one has agreed with your starting premise of English Country Dances as being the necessary phrase you feel should apply to a dance event, despite ample evidence against your claims. So therein lies another point WAV. If this were a court, and you had presented your case to all of us. The rest of us all countered with our own evidence to disprove your argument, as we have been doing. Going in to the jury or to the judge-who's evidence was more solid, and had more tangible proof, versus who's evidence was more about conjecture, and speculative? Listen mate-you like English folk music. I do too! Lots of us on here do as a matter of fact. Lots of us like other types of music too, as it seems you do as well. Why the need for rules to govern it by? Music is about emotion. Music is about laughing, or crying, or smiling, or anger, or hope. English folk music is underappreciated, thats one of the great things about this forum, we may disagree, but we are all talking about English folk. Why be so strict about how and where it should be played? Go to a ceilidh, tell them right after that Irish song they should tell people-THIS, is an English song, ladies and gentlemen, enjoy it for what it is, as I have for over 20 of my, gulp, almost 40 years on this planet! Cheers.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Def Shepard
Date: 29 May 08 - 03:50 PM

False and defamatory am I? Well you do have a choice, sue me. All your words including "yes, Phil, frankly I wish it had occurred before I was born, such that I'd been brought up here, and all the mass emigration from, and immigration to, England of late had not occurred. I think I would have still built a good CV, which would have been of use, and that I'd be finding it easier to get on, in general" condemn you.

Seems to me you're using the old, old saw of blaming immigrants in this case, for your lack of a good CVand, a job it sounds like. Ever thought there might be other reasons?

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 29 May 08 - 03:51 PM

racism is where someone says they are all like this or that, which I have never done

That's precisely what you are doing - you're saying that 'they' are not like us, so that our country and our culture won't be enriched by them but must be protected from them. To quote from your earlier comment, "the law, the land, the people, the culture should be linked". Our land, our culture, our people, our law - it's not theirs and it's not for them.

If that isn't racism, I don't know what is.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 May 08 - 04:11 PM

Some of you may not like it and even try to create confusion, but we are at the stage now where most adults do understand the difference between questioning immigration and being racist. In other words, some of you who like immigration try to paint those who question immigration as racist - but it's harder for you to do that now. Drop this group somewhere in Asia or Africa and I, e.g., would get on as well or better with the locals as any of you (via much travel and studies in humanities), and I do question immigration.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Def Shepard
Date: 29 May 08 - 04:20 PM

You've been sussed, dearie, and you don't like it. You are racist regardless of what you try to say, as I've already said, your own words condemn you, and there you go again, using this alleged degree in humanities and your travels to illustrate... what point exactly? You put yourself across as being better than everyone else, you're not.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 08 - 04:31 PM

I would get on as well or better with the locals as any of you (via much travel and studies in humanities),

Why can't you find yourself a job then?

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Def Shepard
Date: 29 May 08 - 04:36 PM

Guest said, " Why can't you find yourself a job then? "

I was suggest an answer to that question via a PM, but I don't think he'd like that answer :-D

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 May 08 - 04:47 PM

WAV, as you haven't managed to specifically answer the points I made, I'll assume you agree with them. Whether you'd get on with people in their home countries is immaterial.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: irishenglish
Date: 29 May 08 - 04:53 PM

Ruth, WAV only selectively responds to direct questions asked of him. I've asked him several, but he's only answered a few.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 May 08 - 04:53 PM

Not always, but at some interviews I get not "why did you come back?" but "why ON EARTH did you come back?" or even "mad" - which makes it difficult to land the job. DS - you've used false and defamatory language again (please note this moderator). In a democracy, someone can question immigration, & you last 3 or 4 posters should accept that.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: Def Shepard
Date: 29 May 08 - 04:55 PM

Oh, oh, he's telling teacher on me, but it makes little difference, he is what he is and it seems others noticed along time before I did.

Subject: RE: 'English Country Dances', Please
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 May 08 - 04:59 PM

300 Up Yours!!!!

Spaw