Obit: RIP Sir Jimmy Savile of BBC [2011]

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: theleveller
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 04:09 AM

"This was in Middlesex"

Ah, that explains it - plenty to keep you occupied. When a colleague of mine who came from the same area as I do told me he had a daughter who was onyt 15 years younger than him, he explained that there was not much else to do in those days.

"I find pre-teens wearing nail polish much less disturbing than adult porn models shaving their pubic hair."

Well don't look!

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 04:29 AM

And, what about all those nudes in classical paintings?
Not a pube in sight.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 04:49 AM

Richard, you 'doubt my history'?? I find that very strange indeed. I lived in a perfectly ordinary town, and my father worked for the GPO, not very well-paid. My mother didn't work (very few did then). My Grammar School was not an old traditional one, but modern and new. The pupils were like myself, mainly working class and many from council estates. My parents were buying our house, a tiny semi in the suburbs of a small town. We had no TV, no phone, no car, no washing machine, and very little furniture. Our life was extremely simple and pleasant. It certainly wasn't 'Little House on the Prairie' and I haven't said it was. Sex most definitely was NOT 'the main point of interest' as you describe; maybe for boys, I wouldn't know as we didn't associate with them particularly, but NOT for us girls. Why must it be unbelievable that a set of girls such as us should have no interest or involvement in sex or sexiness? I'm very surprised and not at all pleased that someone should doubt my veracity. I can't for the life of me see why you would think I would make something up!

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 05:22 AM

I believe you Eliza, although I had several girl-friends from the age of 15 or so, sex was definitely "off the menu" (apart from a bit of occasional fumbling, what used to be quaintly described as 'light petting'), and I only knew of one girl who got pregnant while still at school (one of my mates was responsible for the impregnation). It was the scandal of both schools, she was suspended and home-tutored until after the baby was born, and it was shipped off for adoption straight away.

And likewise, the idea promoted by the gutter press that every teenager in Britain is shagging like a rabbit nowadays is simply not true. In a dozen or so years working in the Youth Service In the '80s and '90s i was involved in many discussions with groups of young people, and individuals, on various sex-related issues, and the subject that cropped up constantly was how to avoid boys' sexual advances and would a girl think badly of a boy if he didn't try for a bonk. There are still a lot of young people around for whom 'keeping your hand on your ha'penny' (as someone here sneeringly put it) is important.

And, BTW, despite what some on this thread appear to believe, the prime abusers of young girls aren't overpaid celebrities, footballers et al - they are family members. I knew several girls who were raped by their fathers or other relatives, but none who were raped by a celebrity or a footballer.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 05:51 AM

Richard, I grew up in fecking Middlesex. For GAWD SAKE, stop it!

OK, so you were a randy 13 year old, but trust me on this one, I know many, MANY who weren't...and Eliza is absolutely correct, in that sex was far from our minds back then, for we were way too busy still being children.

Your hormones kicked in early, but that doesn't mean everyone's did...Most importantly of all though we weren't surrounded by images of sex everywhere, nor an internet filled with porn at the touch of a button, nor saturated with sex on TV in the most blatant and often brutal manner...

What many young girls DID dream of was LOVE! Yes, I know, something that drives you nuts, but we did have discussions about weddings and love and boys and love and music and love and films and love.....

We cried our eyes out over Love Story, then went home and dreamt of more Love....

We didn't dream of the Kama Sutra, nor stare at our teachers in an odd way because they'd spoken to us about Oral Sex, as they DIDN'T do this!

We had half an hour of sex education, boys with a male teacher, girls with a female teacher, and my teacher looked soooo uncomfortable. She talked about Love and the ultimate expression of love, sharing your bodies....We didn't stick condoms on bananas, nor talk about anal intercourse, nor any of the other somewhat dodgy things teachers are made to discuss with their pupils these days....

We have done SUCH damage...and those with no emotions, who focus and identify ONLY with sex, and NOT with Love, are to blame. There are many out there who cannot stand emotions, nor emotional people, so they have reduced the Glorious Feeling of Love to a mere bodily function which can be 'fed' with anyone at anytime, anywhere......

BRING BACK LOVE!!

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 05:56 AM

What is it about Middlesex?, where I grew up also ~~ lived off Golders Green Road, 7+ years at Hendon County School. Is there some concealed implication in the very name of that no-longer-extant borough, I wonder?

~M~

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 06:08 AM

It's the 'sex' bit at the end of it....very titilating to 13 year old boys back then, so it seems....

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 06:39 AM

Ah, but as you say, Lizzie: it wasn't extreme sex; it was only middle sex.

(There is the old joke about kilted Highlanders marching thru some foreign city, and a bystander asking if they were the Middlesex Regiment.)

~M~

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 06:54 AM

I don't believe Middlesex was any different to many of the other home counties in those days. As Lizzie correctly states, there was none of the semi-pornographic media-generated stuff bombarding us, or sexy merchandise to buy ( if we had had the money, which we didn't!). As there were no TV's or computers etc we were very happy to read the Beano or Dandy comic (which I did, right up until I left home at eighteen) and listen to The Navy Lark or Educating Archie on the radio. I read a lot, mainly classics and even Enid Blyton (yes, as a teenager). Our teachers were a very correct and moral lot. Sex education was just biological, involving study of animals and then a 'period talk' by a nurse for us girls. I can honestly say we were happy and free, doing all the daft things youngsters do, climbing trees, playing at the farm up the road, piling onto one bike and wobbling around, riding bareback at the stables, going about on a pair of stilts. We all wore either baggy jodphurs smelling of horses or 'slacks' in thick twill, and polo neck jumpers knitted by our mums. In summer it was cotton skirts (long, not mini) a blouse and short white socks. I had a pony tail in an elastic band and kirby grips, and didn't care a pin what I looked like. My mum tried to keep us tidy. If all this is incredible to some people, I'm sorry, but it was exactly like that. And I wish with all my heart the youngsters of today could enjoy the same innocence for as long as we did. Sex is for much later, not while one is still an immature child.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 09:08 AM

Eliza,

All I can say is that you and your friends led a very much more sheltered life than did the people I associated with (and from what Richard, The Leveller and others have said, more sheltererd than theirs).

True, there wasn't the sexualisation in the media, or computers, but no TVs? I was from a distinctly working class background and we got our first TV in about 1960. I'd done with Enid Blyton by the time I was about 8, and I can't conceive of *any* of my contemporaries reading her into their teens, or even into double figures. We'd mostly done with the Beano or Dandy by the time we went to secondary school, but some people read The Eagle beyond primary school.

Our teachers were *mostly* very correct, but there was a coterie of young, more "bohemian" ones, who called us by our nicknames and tried to be "mates" with us. There were affairs between male teachers and 6th form girls, and, from what people like Joan Bakewell and other women journalists of a similar age have been writing in the media recently, this was far from uncommon, and tacitly accepted.

We were getting served in pubs (or the taller ones of us were, anyway) by 14 or 15, no problem. Landlords were more concerned back then with turnover than underage drinking. I remember on a school trip to Ambleside, a group of 13 year old girls from another school staying in the same youth hostel asking us to buy them some cider from a pub "off" sales (we were 14) and us all then sitting by the lakeside getting so bladdered that one of the girls wet herself.

Not sure if you were at a single sex school, but both my first "proper" girlfriend and I were at (different) mixed Grammars and the undercurrent of hormones and sex was there in both schools from early teens. There was snogging behind the bike sheds from a very early age and quite a lot of fumbling about.

At scout/guide jamoborees, despite heavy policing from the leaders and separate tent areas for scouts and guides, most tents spent at least part of the night "mixed" (we practiced our "woodcraft" in getting from male to female camping areas unobserved). I'd done with scouts at 15 so that was definitely early teens, and the girls were just as keen to mix the tents up as the boys were.

I'm not disbelieving your account, but can't help thinking you must have inhabited an enclave of 1940s attitudes while most of the rest of us were hurtling into the 60s at full speed!

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 10:01 AM

Amen, Rob. I notice Eliza has given no dates despite my request. Perhaps her experiences (or, rather, absence of them) were in the 50s. It sounds much more likely.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Jim'll fuck it
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 10:31 AM

Richard, you know it's ungentlemanly to ask a lady her age -


errrmmm.. unless she looks young enough to be a chap's granddaughter
and he wants to stay off the sex offenders list.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: greg stephens
Date: 18 Oct 12 - 10:45 AM

Well I was quite prepared to believe in Eliza's enclave of good behaviour in Middlesex in the 60's till I had a bit of a think. It just can't be true that was a part of the home counties where there were "no TVs" in the 60's. I can credit she lived in a no TV household herself, but not that that was the cultural norm. Maybe in Amish teritory, but not in Middlesex. Even on Exmoor we had TVs in the 50's(to watch the coronation in 53, to be specific), never mind the 60's. I remember my uncle buying a TV in the early 60's, but he was laughing at himself for doing it so late in the day, long after everyone else had one.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Oct 12 - 01:30 AM

She described a modest household and didn't have a television. That doesn't seem so incredible. My family in the US didn't get a televison until the early 1960s.

SRS

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 19 Oct 12 - 06:53 AM

Thank you SRS. No, we didn't have a TV. My father didn't want one. Many of my friends didn't either. A lady called Poppy down the road had one for her two small sons, and (very rarely) we watched the odd children's programme at teatime there, but only once in a blue moon. And yes we DID still enjoy the comics and I even read the Famous Five books today! Very comforting they are too. 'A sheltered life'? No, we weren't sheltered in the least, we went out in all weathers and all hours everywhere with no adult supervision at all. Most of the time our parents hadn't the least idea where we were. We got up to some dangerous and silly things too, like all children. And all my schools, primary and secondary were co-ed. The boys were as sport-mad as us, and we just didn't associate with eachother. They did their things and we did ours. It seems that true innocence like that is incredible to many of you. Well, what can I say? We weren't Amish or even terribly religious, just very ordinary. Even at Uni in Edinburgh, I spent a lot of my time studying of course, and working as a cleaner and a part-time Nanny for a Swiss family, horse-riding in the Pentland hills, ice-skating at Murrayfield and many activities with the Church and Folk Club. Still no sex!! I expect now there'll be yet more strident objections and disbelief. But it was so.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 20 Oct 12 - 01:42 PM

Still sounds more like the late 40s/ early 50s than the 60s to me. We too were out in all weathers with no supervision, but your memories really do sound more like those of a primary school child than something that persisted into late teens.

We too were very ordinary...there were one or two people in my school who seemed to lead very sheltered (not in the weather sense!) lives, but they were typically children of Salvation Army or other very strongly religious parents, and very much in the minority.

I can believe that non-association between boys and girls was the norm possibly up to age 13 or (pushing it) 14, but I do find it incredible that you say that it extended to late teens and even uni in your peer group. I suspecrt thwerer was stuff going on all around you thast you were unaware of!

I can't think of anyone I knew at uni except for 3 or 4 members of the Christian Union, who was still a virgin after the end of the first term.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 20 Oct 12 - 01:49 PM

Anyway, to get away from this interesting diversion and back to Savile, a quote from "Private Eye's" "Heir of Sorrows" column, dated December 1990:

....Jimmy Savile, a man who had devoted his life to the welfare of others, especially the young....Charles was bewitched by the great man's informality, charm and infectious enthusiasm. He leaned over and spoke earnestly to the newly en-knighted philanthropist.

"Fascinating, you really must meet Diana"

Sir James looked momentarilly puzzled. "Is that your daughter, your Maj?"

Charles shook his head. "No, no, my wife".

"No thank you very much your Maj. Bit old for me. That's not Jim's scene at all".

What could he mean? Sometimes these holy men spoke in riddles.....


Hmmmmm....

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Oct 12 - 05:25 AM

Elsewhere Eliza speaks of going up to Edinburgh University in autumn 1967. Since I took a year out to work in industry before going up to Nottingham at the same time that makes her my age or slightly younger. I cannot envisage where she would have found the idyllic agrarian pre-consumer-society Middlesex of which she speaks in the mid-to-late 60s.

Middlesex was largely suburban by the 1930s, and indeed some parts were distinctly urban - Edmonton, Tottenham, Hornsey, Willesden, Acton, Brentford and Southall standing out in this respect.

Pinner was a noted hotbed of sophistication by the 60s. Remember (later) "the Sinner from Pinner" (actress Jane Marsh)? There was a distinctly sophisticated and cosmopolitan society in Stanmore, largely then concentrated on Stanmore and Canons Park synagogue. Nowadays Stanmore has overwhelmingly affluent Christian, Shia Muslim, Hindu, Jain, Jewish and Catholic communities, including its local Synagogue, Stanmore and Canons Park Synagogue on London Road (which has the largest membership of any single synagogue in Europe), an Islamic Centre, KSIMC Of London (Hujjat) and new Hindu Temple on Wood Lane.


Middlesex simply was not as Eliza depicted it. There may have been small enclaves of relative poverty, deprivation, and repression but that was not the norm.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 21 Oct 12 - 05:47 AM

Well, I give up! There's no more I can add. It was all exactly as I say, and I was indeed a virgin as were all (yes ALL) my friends right up until we all left the area for Uni or college, and after. My town was quite suburban but there were fields all around and a farm nearby.
I don't think I'll post any more, as it isn't very nice to be doubted.
I have my faults but lying isn't one of them.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 21 Oct 12 - 07:03 AM

As you know, Richard, I grew up in Pinner, lived there from when I was six months old until I was 27, when I moved all the way to Ruislip. My Dad worked in Edgware, just down the road from Stanmore, my ex-husband grew up in Willesden...so I know Middlesex very well.

I was born in the mid 50s and at no time was where I grew up a riotous place where couples were having sex on the street, in the park or even throwing their keys in, behind closed doors.

My teenage years were very happy, apart from my parents marriage going through hell when my mother imploded, probably in part due to the sexual abuse she had kept locked away inside her for so very long and which stayed there until she was around 60 years old when she suddenly spoke of it, as I've described above.

I went to the roughest school in the area and none of my friends had the kind of teenage years that you seem to remember either.

We'd spent hot summer days watching the cricket in the park, boys and girls together, talking about everything under the sun...Often we'd go to the park itself and while away the hours on the Witches Hat Roundabouts, the long swings and all the other things which older kids could also play on, unlike today's park for toddlers and little children only..

We'd play tennis, go swimming, go round to each other's houses for coffee, tea and chats, listen to music....Holidays shared with friends in the Lake District, with their parents too, beaches and laughter...

And Enid Blyton as well, Wind in the Willows, The Secret Garden, The Railway Children, Love Story and so much more...

I bought a compendium of The Twins At Mallory Towers a few years back, at a car boot sale and sat in the sun reconnecting with the characters Enid created...The Famous Five, The Secret Seven...and of course the books of Swallows & Amazons too, along with the films..

Happy days, surrounded by family and friends..

Older days of going to gigs with friends, where the boys still opened the doors for the girls, where we girls (and very few boys) EVER got drunk....and women rarely even walked into a pub on their own either, usually they were always with a group,which more often than not, was made up of boys and girls...

Our heads weren't filled with video horrors, or computer killing games..We dreamed of our future, knowing it was attainable, to get married, to have a home and a family..unlike so many young people today who feel they will NEVER have a home of their own or ever be able to support a family...just constant working in a world where there is no support for them in harsh times....

We didn't long to 'escape' from home, for home was home and we were happy there...Of course there WERE unhappy families, always have been, always will be, but in the main, most of my friends remained at home until they got married and very few went to University, unlike today where it's almost compulsory to assume that's where you go next on The Corporate Conveyer Belt of Life and Lunacy...

So, whether you choose to believe it or not, those days DID exist...and they existed for very many of us. Not all, I appreciate, but for the majority, back then..

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Lizz
Date: 21 Oct 12 - 07:08 AM

And yes, Pedantic Ones, I do know that Enid didn't write 'Swallows & Amazons' ;0)

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Oct 12 - 08:13 AM

No, dear two Lizzies. I am not hallucinating (although many of us were)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swinging_London

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 21 Oct 12 - 08:17 AM

Well thank goodness for you Lizzie, cos at least one person now agrees that Middlesex was as I described. Your childhood days sound very similar to mine, and I well remember the playground things we enjoyed, including the witch's hat. I had a fat friend called Susan who got stuck going down the slide (aged about sixteen) We had to prise her off it. We were always climbing trees and securing a rope at the very top to swing on. Did you used to go 'over the top' on the swing? We did, standing up, I don't know how we didn't break our necks! And not a single thought of Sex in our heads.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Black Belt Caterpillar Wrestler
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 07:51 AM

HERO TO ZERO.
©R.S.Madge 2012

Hero to zero in twenty-four hours,
As the news blogs and tweets round the world.
Hero to zero and once he was ours,
As the tissue of lies is unfurled.
For once he was noble, once he was kind,
The ears they were deaf and the eyes they were blind.
Now they're digging for dirt and it's easy to find,
And it too late for justice to serve.

His headstone is shattered, his grave has no mark
And his family disown him for good.
The newspapers sink him downwards into the dark
Fool's gold vanished now as it should.
How often in history has this tale been told,
Of a hero debase when the real truth is told?
With the victims left sobbing outside in the cold.
And there's no way for justice to serve.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 08:54 AM

Excellent poem!
Watching the never-ending and terrible saga on the BBC News last night, I was squirming at the clips of Savile strutting about with his cigar, putting his arms round various youngsters. Yuk. In the end I just couldn't watch. He was so obviously a weirdo and no-one guessed except those who actually knew but winked, nudged and did nothing, and those he abused and assaulted. Heads will now roll! (I hope)

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 09:43 AM

Lizzie and Eliza - a sitcom about two nice girls in the swinging 60's
(another gentle , totally unfunny comedy probably by Carla Lane)

Scene One Lizzieand Liza's swinging groovy pad. Janis Ian's At Seventeen is playing on the radio. the television is on with the ound turned down - it is showing Ken Russell's film about Debussy, showing a girl doing a striptease to La mer. Outside the window is a Vietnam demonstration going on. The American flag is being burned.

Lizzie and Eliza are there obviously.

Lizzie; I say Eliza that Tony Blackburn doesn't half play some dreary music, what on earth is this one about?
Eliza; Oh its about this girl and she's frustrated..
Lizzie: I can't understand that, i'm never frustrated Except when homework's really hard, and i can't finish it before bedtime, or if they've run out of peardrops..
Lizzie: never mind, Blue peter's in abit - that will cheer us both up. Its like you say though, I never seen anyone frustrated in Middlesex.
Elize: Blue peter How super! Princess Anee is a special guest with her wizard new pony!
Lizzie: Yes and the funny little man with a dog is making things with toilet rolls
Eliza; (sighs) gosh! Its so much fun having so much freedom in this permissive society.

(Next week The Nice Girls visit a folk club)

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 10:40 AM

Progamme 2 At The Folk Club

Lizzie: Gosh what a lot of people here tonight!
Eliza: Yes, I'm going to feel a bit hot in my Girl Guide uniform!
Lizzie: Shall we get some lemonade? Should cool us down a bit.
Eliza: Ooh yes! Who's that person over there? I haven't seen him before, he looks a bit grumpy.
Lizzie: Oh, he's called Al. Don't talk to him, he doesn't believe a word you say. He thinks all girls our age are frustrated and repressed!
Eliza: What does frustrated mean Lizzie?
Lizzie: I think it means we aren't having sex.
Eliza: What's sex, Lizzie?
Lizzie: No idea. Now shut up, they're just about to sing Puff the Magic Dragon!
Eliza: Ooh goodie gumdrops!

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 10:56 AM

Touche Eliza!

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 11:39 AM

Nice one, Eliza. That was very funny!

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 12:52 PM

Put it like that Eliza, you couldn't really blame Jimmy Saville for creeping up on you two, with his big cigar.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 01:37 PM

I've often wondered about that cigar Al. Was it do you think a Freudian symbol of his excited state? I don't feel he would've been particularly interested in folk clubs - not trendy enough!

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 07:29 PM

No the cigar was a clue to the fact he was a big turd. It was symbolism.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 05:50 AM

LOL Al!

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 08:38 AM

Seems Ted Heath was a good friend of Savile...

Seems also that The Houses of Parliament may soon become known as The Houses of Paediament....

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 25 Oct 12 - 08:58 AM

I've been aware of the allegations made about Edward Heath and his taste for "young boys" for some time. If so, the question being, was Heath simply a homosexual with a preference for youthful adult males or male children? Because there is a vast chasm between the two.

I wasn't aware of Heath's alleged links to Savile or the Jersey Haute de la Garenne children's home and the Belfast Kincora boys home, until more recently. I've also read his yacht "Morning Cloud" was dubbed "Morning Sickness" by bodyguards because of what allegedly took place on board.

Any of this stuff in Googleable, and there's no way of knowing if any of it is true, yet with this recent flood of revelations unfolding about Savile, his likely co-workers/co-abusers and seeming protection both by those in power in the BBC and a knowing but compliantly quiet press, the idea that Downing street could have housed a known paedophile or even a ring of abusers, becomes less and less an incredible notion.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,dawniedoody
Date: 28 Oct 12 - 12:25 PM

@ BobL...and I quote u sir..

"Seems to me (and those who actually knew him may of course correct me) that JS had a dreadful flaw in what was an otherwise caring nature.

A dreadful flaw..it was more than that it was a systematic abuse of his position on vulnerable young girls/boys when they could not stand up for them selves, like the children in the care homes, who were punished and locked in rooms for any disobedience and it turns out all these years later that those people had this dreadful flaw to....what u call a dreadful flaw, ruins lives, for all of that persons life...wether he was caring or not in every other aspect of his life he will be forever judged for being a peadophile because he was one, and even if it goes to court or not i know jimmy saville is guilty, maybe not of everyone who has come forward but definately of some of them and he deserves to have every good deed he ever did cancelled out, we know now he was doing those good deeds to cover for the fact that he was a wrong un...simple...a wrong un and i just hope that any more people with this dreadful flaw as u call it are taking notes and know that their time and ppl of their ilks time is drawing to an end, and hopefully soon there will be no corner in all the world were these dreadfully flawed people can hide!!!

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 28 Oct 12 - 01:20 PM

How he must have hated it when young people started to voice their disatisfaction with the music that the old established Dj s of the time were giving airplay to. No wonder he devoted his time to charity work he had to be seen to be doing something, plus he was living quite comfortably too lets not forget, just by being an institution he could maintain a certain lifestyle.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 28 Oct 12 - 02:14 PM

His nephew was on the BBC News last night, and while I do pity his very ashamed and stunned family, it's hard to believe that they didn't see that he was at the very least weird and strange. His nephew actually hoped that people would not forget his 'good side', but that's a vain hope IMO. If a man was a total monster regarding abuse of young people and children, you're hardly going to say, "But wasn't he a wonderful disc-jockey!" etc, are you? I expect even the Yorkshire Ripper was quite nice at home, but please...!

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Jim'll fuck it
Date: 29 Oct 12 - 11:28 AM

or..

"Ok.. so hindsight has shown him to be a complete monster,
but we must never forget Hitler painted some rather nice pictures"

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 29 Oct 12 - 02:27 PM

Exactly! Very evil actions completely eclipse any other traits.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: greg stephens
Date: 29 Oct 12 - 02:34 PM

Intriguing. Historically things tend to go the other way, ie people may be remembered more for good(or possibly just impressive) deeds. Oscar Wilde has been forgiven his little boys. The sculptures of Eric Gill are still admired and displayed,in spite of his spectacularly irregular domestic arrangementrs. Henry V murdered countless children in the most repulsive way, but the play about his stirring deeds is regularly performed. Examples could be multiplied endlessly.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,mayomick
Date: 29 Oct 12 - 07:44 PM

The necrophiliac and paedophile character ,Freddy Royle , in Irvine Welsh's book Ecstasy seems to have been based on Jimmy Savile.. Some passages from the 1996 work were quoted in the London Evening Standard last week :

"The thing was, Freddy brought millions of pounds into the place with his fund-raising activities. This brought kudos to the trustees, and made St Hubbin's Hospital a flagship for the arm's-length trusts from the NHS. All they had to do was keep schtumm and indulge Sir Freddy with the odd body."

"Freddy was finding it hard to maintain steady breathing. He examined the corpse. She's bain a roight pretty un n arl, he rasped in his Somerset drawl, - caar accident oi presumes?"

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 01:01 PM

mayomick, yeeeeeew!!

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: vectis
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 07:50 PM

Paedophiles are very manipulative and clever when grooming children. It is possible that he chose to go about his charitable works precisely BECAUSE it gave him access to young and vulnerable (easy meat in those days, who would have believed them?)people.

The fact that he raised so much for charity may have been a lucky accident but it did make it much harder to knock him off his pedestal.

I am just glad my Mum is not alive to see what he was really about, for her and many others at the time he was almost considered to be a saint. He certainly isn't considered to be one now.

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 09:03 PM

Jeremy "Vote Liberal or we'll shoot your dog" Thorpe seems to have been another politico with links to Savile that need explaining.

I wonder if this affair is going to stop in the UK. He seems to have had contacts all over the political spectrum in Ireland, high-up links in Israel and some links with the US that aren't all that clear yet (Elvis and Sen. Gary Hart, for two).

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Oct 12 - 11:18 PM

500

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: MartinRyan
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 05:37 AM

500

Hope that's the postings you're counting....

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Regards

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 05:40 AM

Witty!

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 05:40 AM

On BBC TV News this morning, an ex-porter at Leeds Infirmary says he noticed Savile taking young girls to his Special Room (he had his own key) at about 2am until 5am. Now, why didn't this ex-porter go to the authorities about it? Maybe he was afraid of losing his job, or of not being believed. But it seems a bit thin, speaking out now!
(Congrats Richard on number 500!)

Subject: RE: Jimmy Savile :-( UK disc jockey
From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Oct 12 - 01:22 PM

It just weirder and weirder....

Theres this headline today ....why didn't someone tell the Queen?

Yes they might have let the parents in on it as well!