Subject: Sporting hero songs? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Aug 01 - 10:38 AM There's what you could call a sub-genre of songs about sporting heroes. But so far as I could see, we don't seem to have many in the DT. What I mean is, songs in the same kind of idiom as BOLD THADY QUIL, but more recent.
The reason I was thinking is because the TV cable service we've recently got gives us GAA sports, hurling and Gaelic football, and there's some great matches at present (Up Tipp), and it set me thinking about songs about Christy Ring and others that I've heard, but don't know.
And there's others about ordinary football (soccer) - there's a great one about Jimmy Greaves and his battle with alcoholism And other sports as well.P> I suppose the song about my namesake, Msster McGrath falls into the genre too - as would any about racing horses.
Anyway, if anyone can come up with a few of the songs of that sort it'd be good to have them here. I had a search in the archives but I couldn't find them. |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Midchuck Date: 19 Aug 01 - 11:07 AM Joseph Baker (from Mick Moloney) (distance runner) Pete. |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 19 Aug 01 - 11:50 AM Well, off the top of my head, there's Morrisey and the Russian Sailor, and Stewball. Any others? Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: raredance Date: 19 Aug 01 - 12:23 PM Chuck Brodsky has written several about people around baseball: "Moe Berg: The Song" (a catcher in the 1920's-30's); "Lefty" (Steve Carleton a hall of fame pitcher); "Gone To Heaven" (about Max Patkin who was not a player but for half a century entertained during baseball games and was known as the "Clown Prince of Baseball"). Another baseball hero song is "Doing My Job" by John McCutcheon about Cal Ripkin and his 2000+ consecutive game record. "Glory Bound" by James Keelaghan also comes to mind, about a hockey player, although I do not know if it is real or fictional. rich r |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Sorcha Date: 19 Aug 01 - 12:52 PM Casey at the Bat (ok, so it's a poem.....) Is John Peel too early to count? |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: ard mhacha Date: 19 Aug 01 - 01:29 PM McGrath, An interesting aside on The Bould Thady Quill. I heard an account of the song on RTE Radio a number of years ago and the person relating the story knew the Thady Quill of the song. He went on to say that the song was a skit on Thady as he was the direct opposite to the hero of our song, being a big inoffensive person.This kind of ironic humour is to be found in a few irish songs. And how about Johnny Thompson, this song was written after the accidental death during a match of the Glagow Celtic Goalkeeper. This happened around the mid 1930`s. Slan Ard Mhacha. |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Gareth Date: 19 Aug 01 - 02:48 PM Mention it not outside of Wales, but try a delve into Max Boyce. Or possibly not in view of current Rugby form. Gareth |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Aug 01 - 05:17 PM There's a song lamenting/celebrating the great days of hurling that I heard, centring round some great hurler that had just died, and I just can't remember a word of it. I'm hoping someone come up with that one.
(Mind I'd say the great days of hurling are still with us, from the match I've been watching.) |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Callie Date: 19 Aug 01 - 05:19 PM Australian singer/songwriter has a song titled ´Bradman´about the cricket legend Don Bradman who died recently. The song is about 15 years old. Callie |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Gareth Date: 19 Aug 01 - 07:20 PM Mind back into gear - far too many pints of Breakspears at the Bell at Grove. Max Boyce. Compilations - "Live at Treorchy" & "We all had Doctors Papers".
Special Mentions. Gareth |
Subject: Lyr Add: JOHNNY THOMPSON From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Aug 01 - 07:23 PM Well, here is JOHNNY THOMPSON(from Alex Campbell's songbook - not that Alex wrote it, or ever suggested he did). John Thompson was killed when he dived at the ball at the feet of Rangers'forward Dammy English, and was accidentally booted in the head.
There was a lad named Johnny Thompson
On the 5th day ofSeptember,
I took a trip to Parkhead
A famous face was missing
The fans they now are silent,
So come on Glasgow Celtic |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Aug 01 - 05:32 PM There are couple of sprting songs in the DT - there is The Football Match, and the Last Game of the Season.
But what I'm after are the ones with names and places, the ones that displace the imagery of the warrior into th e context of sporting campaigns. |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Kim Hughes Date: 20 Aug 01 - 06:28 PM A couple that come to mind are "He's Fitbaa' [football] Crazy, He's Fitbaa' Mad" and "Old Bob Ridley" (which I guess is more a boasting song, but all the boasts are about sports.) A.L.Lloyd did a whole record of these, possibly with Ewan MacColl. I don't have the reference to hand, but could track it down if requested. cheers, kim |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: GUEST,Neil Comer Date: 20 Aug 01 - 06:43 PM There's always Master McGrath (even though he was a greyhound) and Stewball |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: nutty Date: 20 Aug 01 - 06:53 PM How about John Peel (D'ye ken John Peel) and Bellman (he was a "proper" hound) |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Susanne (skw) Date: 20 Aug 01 - 07:10 PM Benny Lynch, Who Killed Davy Moore?, and Flowers of Manchester |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Steve Latimer Date: 20 Aug 01 - 07:58 PM Catfish by Bob Dylan about pitcher Catfish Hunter. It was covered by Joe Cocker.
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Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Mark Cohen Date: 20 Aug 01 - 08:22 PM Fred Small has one about a retired college basketball coach, "Jimmy Come Lately" (it's a true story; I'm still trying to find out the name of the coach). And Stan Rogers did one about a hockey coach; I can't remember the name just now. Since I referee kids' soccer games but don't play myself, I like the ones about the ones who help out! Aloha, Mark |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Aug 01 - 08:35 PM I remember that one, Jimmy come lately - just the other day for some reason I was looking over that thread where you posted it, Mark.
That might have been one of the things that set me thinking about this thread. That and watching a game of hurling - the thing about hurling is that it is an oddly heroic game, a succession of skirmishes, and feats of skill and daring.
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Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Mark Cohen Date: 20 Aug 01 - 08:54 PM The Stan Rogers song is Flying. And in looking for it I found a fantastic Stan Rogers website that I never knew about. Aloha, Mark |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: dick greenhaus Date: 20 Aug 01 - 10:06 PM If you're interested in how the popular culture of the 1930s dealt with a sports hero, Rounder has issued a CD of songs (pop and folk) that celebrated Joe Louis. $12.98 at CAMSCO. |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: GUEST Date: 21 Aug 01 - 03:28 AM I think the second line of Johnny Thompson is "From the Wellesley Fife he came". That is the only way I've ever heard it. Tune similar to Noreen Bawn. ONe song not mentioned - "The Gallant John Joe" about John Joe O'Reillly who played Gaelic for Cavan. |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Mark Cohen Date: 21 Aug 01 - 04:11 AM For a different kind of heroism in sports, take a look at Nine Gold Medals. It's been recorded by David Roth, who wrote it, and also by Rebel Voices (another shameless plug for my friends Janet Stecher and Susan Lewis, who are worth a listen -- as is David). It's worth remembering that the race is not always to the swift. Aloha, Mark |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 21 Aug 01 - 04:58 AM I think (but you know how reliable my memory is!)that the Critics group in UK did a song about a boxer. Randolph Turpin?? There was a novelty record by several UK snoker players a few years ago, thankfully CRS has erased it from memory, it was dreadful. Those of you of a more traditional bent probably know lots of broadsides about bare-knuckle fighters, wobblers (endurance walkers) etc. RtS (any songs about dominoes or bowls I wonder?) |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 Aug 01 - 05:15 AM "The Gallant John Joe" about John Joe O'Reillly who played Gaelic for Cavan.
Now could you point us in the direction if those words? |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: ard mhacha Date: 21 Aug 01 - 08:03 AM McGrath, Here it is, Lament for John Joe O` Reilly. God rest you John Joe O`Reilly, `neath each cold November air, As the grey dust falls so quickly round the plains of old Kildare. God rest and keep you John Joe may your memory last in Fame, Throughout each hill in Ulster and your own loved Cornafean. 2 God rest you John Joe Reilly, Neath each bright November star, Where his hero tales are told to-night, by firesides near and far, While by quite lakes in Cavan men can hear the Banshee wail, For the bravest hearts of Breifne and the pride of all the Gael. 3 They will grieve for him in Kerry, throughout Mayo, Louth and Cork, While his comrades go in mourning through the sidewalks of New York, Where the Yankees they did cheer him on that ne`er forgotten day, When victory was found three thousand miles away. 4 God rest you John Joe Reilly, that`s the prayer of royal Meath, But his loss is felt the keenest on his native Ulster heath, Through the length and breadth of Breifne they are singing one refrain, God rest you John Joe Reilly you were the pride of Cornafean. 5 We bless and keep you in our prayers, may he count you with his own, While Ulster mourns your passing from the Ards to Inishowen, God rest you and keep you John Joe and we pray for you to-day, While Cavan lost their bravest man on a cold November John Joe O`Reilly captained the Cavan Gaelic football team in the Polo Grounds New York in 1947, Cavan beat Kerry in the only All-Ireland Final to be played outside of Ireland. McGrath there are numerous songs connected with sporting heroes of Gaelic games. And thanks for the Johnny Thompson song. Slan Ard Mhacha.
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Subject: Lyr Add: LAMENT FOR JOHN JOE O` REILLY From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 Aug 01 - 09:27 AM There are numerous songs connected with sporting heroes of Gaelic games.
And that's exactly what I'm hoping we'll get out of this thread (and other stuff too maybe). Thanks - and I've put in the line breaks.
Lament for John Joe O` Reilly.
God rest you John Joe O`Reilly,
God rest you John Joe Reilly,
They will grieve for him in Kerry,
God rest you John Joe Reilly,
We bless and keep you in our prayers, |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE GREAT JOE BOB From: Stewie Date: 21 Aug 01 - 12:11 PM Here is one from the inimitable Terry Allen:
THE GREAT JOE BOB ( A Regional Tragedy) --Stewie.
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Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: fat B****rd Date: 21 Aug 01 - 01:18 PM "Boom Boom Mancini" by Warren Zevon and I'm sure there was a traditional English song about a prizefighter ot fight. |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: GUEST,Nick Date: 21 Aug 01 - 01:28 PM Most of the responses see to be from the East side of the Atlanic. But how about "You Gotta Have Heart!" from Damn Yankees, not about one person but about the spirit. Or Joltin' Joe (Dimmagio) |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE GALLANT JOHN JOE From: GUEST,brakn Date: 21 Aug 01 - 04:05 PM This is one I get asked for.......
THE GALLANT JOHN JOE
In the month of November on a cold stormy day |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: GUEST,brakn Date: 21 Aug 01 - 04:07 PM Cookie seems to gone.... |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 Aug 01 - 04:29 PM And here is a picture of the man - John Joe O'Reilly |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 Aug 01 - 08:23 PM Here's another from the same sub-genre:
A father and son they stood hand in hand As they watched Wexford play from the back of the stand And the words that he said, I'll hear when I'm old IT'S A BEAUTY TO BEHOLD WHEN YOU SEE THE PURPLE AND GOLD On the purple and gold is my heart and my soul From the men of today to the heroes of old Oh the purple and gold is the dream I still hold It's a beauty to behold when you see the purple and gold I can still see them now on the All-Ireland Days And the Rackards stood proud and by God could they play And the Quigleys stood tall every man brave and bold It was a privilege I was told to wear the purple and gold. On the purple and gold is my heart and my soul From the men of today to the heroes of old Oh the purple and gold is the dream I still hold It's a beauty to behold when you see the purple and gold I found that one in this page the Dromina Cork) GAA website, in a page given over to "GAA songs"
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Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 Aug 01 - 08:28 PM And with line breaks in the right place it looks like this:
A father and son they stood hand in hand
On the purple and gold is my heart and my soul
I can still see them now on the All-Ireland Days
On the purple and gold is my heart and my soul |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: GUEST,Den Date: 22 Aug 01 - 09:10 AM There's also Football Crazy, The Crumlin Kangaroos (incidently I'm still looking for the rest of the lyrics if anyone has them I'd be grateful. There's a song about Rinty Monaghan I'll try to find the words for and of course the beautiful song on Christy Moore's latest This is the Day; about "the Gorgeous Gael, Jack Doyle. Den |
Subject: Lyr Add: JOLTIN' JOE DIMAGGIO^^ From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Aug 01 - 10:51 AM Used in a series on HBO about baseball called "When It Was A Game", there's Willie, Mickey, and the Duke. And of course the Alan Courtney song that was a hit for Les Brown: JOLTIN' JOE DIMAGGIO
"Who started baseball's famous streak Spaw |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Steve Latimer Date: 22 Aug 01 - 11:22 AM Torontonians over 40 will remember "Clear the Track, Here Comes Shack" about Maple Leaf Eddie "The Entertainer" Shack. Unfortunately, I don't have the lyrics. |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: GUEST,chrisj Date: 23 Aug 01 - 01:35 AM There are several songs about sporting idols in Australian popular music: 'Up there Cazaly' is about a famous Australian Rules player of earlier times (I think the 'Twenties)Roy Cazaly, who was noted for his tremendous leaps to 'mark' a high ball. 'The Goondiwindi Grey' is about Gunsynd a famous racehorse that incidentally has a statue in his honor in the town of Goondiwindi, NSW. I'm sure there are many more. |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Aug 01 - 05:26 AM Up there Cazaly - yes I was hoping someone would come up with that. I found the first verse of it on this site about Rules Footie One song has been written which is recognised as the national Football Anthem. The name of it is :"Up There Cazaly" Below are the words of the first verse.
Well you work for a living, then the weekend comes around You can do what ever turns you on, get out and clear your mind. Me I like football but there's lot of things around. When you line them up together. The footie wins hands down. Up there Cazaly, in there and fight Out there and at 'em, show 'em your might. Up there Cazaly, dont let them in. Fly like an angel, you're out there to win. Here's Roy Cazaly Any more verses?
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Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: GUEST,harvey andrews Date: 23 Aug 01 - 06:23 AM I wrote and recorded "he played for England" loosely based on the up and down life of Tommy Lawton. England centre forward in the post war years. I remember Derek Dougan requesting I sing it at his testimonial dinner.
He played for England, yes he did
His cartilage went at 31
Si in the pub he talks of when
He thought the world would not forget
He never goes to see a game
His wife deserted years ago |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Aug 01 - 07:41 AM That's a sad one, Harvey. A good one too.
I think that's what the best of these songs do is recognise, like this one, there's a life off the pitch as well as a life on the pitch. That's I suppose why I started with the Bold Thady Quill (tongue in cheek as oit is.)
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Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 23 Aug 01 - 08:55 AM Bouncing Billy Barker of Gorton, Manchester, could jump across the local canal from a standing start. Used weights to gain momentum and 'skimmed' like a stone apparantly. Won many a bet and escaped from the local constabulary by the same means after some more nefarious activities as well! He could also jump over a horse from a standing start and was regarded by many as a local sporting hero. I think Tony Hill wrote the song with the chorus -
"It's impossible, it can't be done Cheers Dave the Gnome |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Susanne (skw) Date: 23 Aug 01 - 04:11 PM Harvey's song seems to be a fitting counterpart to James Keelaghan's 'Glory Bound', mentioned further up, on the advantages of dying young. If you follow the link I provided for 'Flowers of Manchester' you'll find (among other things) a newspaper article on how those survivors of Munich who could not play any more were treated by their club. Sad! |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: CraigS Date: 23 Aug 01 - 06:16 PM There are lots of old broadsheet songs about barefist fighters, such as Bendigo. More recently, Johnny Wakelin had hits entitled *Muhammed Ali* and *In Zaire (the rumble in the jungle)*, although these are not exactly in the folk tradition. |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: ard mhacha Date: 24 Aug 01 - 09:45 AM McGrath, In Colm O` Lochlainn`s Irish Street Ballads, there is a song about Dan Donnellys bare-knuckle scrap with Cooper the english champ. This was fought on the Curragh of Kildare in 1815. Slan Ard Mhacha. |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Gareth Date: 24 Aug 01 - 07:03 PM Flowers of Manchester - I recall as a child awaking to the News of the Munich crash - even at that age it shocked me. But please remember those of you that sing the original version Captain Thain was exonerated in the end - it was slush on the runway, not ice on the wings. On the other hand his dismisal stood - not for the crash but for 1/. Accepting the word of the ground crew that the wings were clear of ice rather than checking himself, and 2/. Not aborting the last take off run early enough. gareth - in insurance claims. |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 24 Aug 01 - 07:12 PM Wasn't there a Ballad of Eddie the Eagle? The only English ski-jumper who achieved mock-heroic status for jumping like a plank of wood in the Winter Olympics. (And if you asked most people in England today for the name of a ski-jumper, his would be the only one they'd know.) |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: GUEST,Brakn Date: 24 Aug 01 - 08:00 PM Here's a couple of songs about an ancestor of mine who bareknuckles champion of the US. |
Subject: RE: Sporting hero songs? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Aug 01 - 05:47 AM Stanley Accrington did an Eddie the Eagle song, McG.
He's Eddie the Eagle, he's out on the slope Cheers DtG |
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