BS: For those who want to read about the BNP

Subject: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 04:06 PM

There ya go find out the truth about this racist organisation.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 06 - 04:35 PM

and those who want to hear what the BNP says in the interest of fair debate.

www.bnp.org.uk

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 04:08 AM

More information on this racist scumbag organisation.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,clairerise
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 04:15 AM

i wonder why these groups dont stand against the BNP?

i saw grifin on sky five live and he openly said there used to be bad elements in the party but most but not all had gone and some remained.

get the bnp for anything but not honesty.

heres the sky news five live debate. makes interesting reading for both sides.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 04:19 AM

im counting the for and againsts.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 04:53 AM

Griffin has also been covertly recording making racial remarks at a BNP meeting, along with others who said similar things.
They are only doing what the Labour Party has done, changed it's clothes to make it look appealing to voters, while underneath it's still the same control freaks, and tax and spend party it's always been.
A vote for the BNP is an endorsement of racism.

Giok

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 05:08 AM

It is however worrying that even staunch New Labourites are predicting an increase in BNP support because there is a large body of voters who find all the three main parties fail to address their concerns

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 05:21 AM

Well Richard I for one look at those clowns in Westminster and Edinburgh and ask myself "Who do they think they are representing?"
MPs are mostly lawyers or Politics graduates these days, and they are parachuted into whatever constituency it looks like they might have the best chance to win.
They have no local connections in most cases, and only buy or rent a home in the constituency to make it look good. Their connection with their constituents is at best tenuous, and at worst laughably absent.
This is why people look for alternative parties to vote for, and the BNP knows this, so they have re-branded themselves in a softer image in order to garner these malcontent votes.
It is up to the main parties to redress the balance, and it is up to all of us to remind people of the real ethos behind the BNP.
They are a Neo Nazi party with racist underpinnings, with a large proportion of it's members having criminal records.
Would these same disenfranchised voters vote for the KKK?
I think not, and there's nothing to choose between them from where I sit!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 05:21 AM

agree. the problem is that johns remarks are understandable. but combatting the bnp by calling them nazis and thugs hasnt worked has it?

otherwise they would not growing still.

there is to be another way

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: clairerise
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 05:23 AM

yes but why do the public vote bnp and not another party? theres plenty of them out there. but why bnp?

it is an uncomfortable question

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 05:37 AM

The reasons have been given on many TV Vox Pop street interviews. People feel like second class citizens in their own country.
The perception, fostered by the BNP and others is that immigrants get preferential treatment in housing and Social Services.
It is up to the government to set the facts straight on these calumnies.
The BNP is closer to the people in many ways, and it's the fault of the major parties for getting above themselves and losing the common touch.
Most times empathy and warmth beat doctrinaire philosophies hands down.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:35 AM

Maybe the government are scared to admit just how deeply institutional racism still runs. But the idea that if you ignore the BNP they will go away is not working either. They are an inherently racist organisation who will only stand for local people if they happen to be white and behind the public front there are still many who undertake more 'direct' action.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:54 AM

The government is more than scared to admit the racism is instutional. Not just the UK government but all the worlds governments, big business, the established religions and anyone else in power.

While 'isms' is being fostered the populous will believe that many ills are the fault of Blacks, Moslems, Americans or whoever is out of favour in that particular corner of the globe. Unfortunately you are going to get people believing that certain political parties cause those problems as well. It is the Labour Party. It is Republicans. It is the BNP?

In all current societies, as far as I know, it is far easier to blame someone else than to take responsibility so we believe whoever tells the most plausible lies. Some people will believe Bush. Some people will believe Blair. Some will believe the Mullahs. Some the BNP. Some even believe me!

Until such a time as we can all govern ourselves, with due respect for everyone else, we are going to need someone in power. While there is someone in power there will be someone else to blame. While there is someone else to blame we are not going to take responsibilty. Catch 22.

When are we going to get this anarchistic paradise? I dunno. Not my job to predict these things...

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 08:57 AM

Oh - sorry - I do have another answer. Monarchy. Lets go back to a king or queen ruling the country. No-one is elected. No-one is to blame. If they overstep the mark have a revolution and put a presidential dictator in place. They mis-behave? Revolt again and re-establish the monarchy. Keep the buggers on their toes if they think they might loose their heads!

:D

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Apr 06 - 09:11 AM

Should make for gruesome viewing at Tyburn Tree Dave
When Charles II ascended the throne, one of the first things he did was to have the remains of those who signed the death warrant of Charles I dug up.
The said remains were hung in chains and exhibited to the publc as a warning.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Grab
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 08:10 AM

The perception, fostered by the BNP and others is that immigrants get preferential treatment in housing and Social Services.
It is up to the government to set the facts straight on these calumnies.

Calumnies? I'd call them outright lies.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more people voting BNP. If you've been crapped on by the Tories and Labour both, and you've not gone to the trouble of finding out any facts, then you might pick the BNP. More likely though is that you'll end up with the Lib Dems, or UKIP. Probably not with the Greens, bcos that requires a principled stand and someone who can't be arsed to find out the facts won't do it.

Luckily it'll only be a few more people. I think we're underestimating what everyone knows about the BNP - which is that they *are* thugs and Nazis. The vast majority of the country won't touch them with a bargepole, any more than they'd vote for the local Marxist candidate.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourough
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 08:22 AM

Like it or not the BNP are really getting their act together and they will be making inroads in next months election. People ae expressing their feelings more and more about the problems in their areas which this party wishes to address.

You can howl and bark all you wish, but if people turn out and support them they cannot be ignored. There is more racism in Britain than there has been for a long time. This is fact. I myself am not a racist, but can understand the feelings that some have expressed on television and through the media.

It's like over in Ulster, many unionists state publicly that they do not agree with with the bigoted D.U.P. party of Ian Paisley, yet when it comes to the election, his party come out on top, year after year.

Voters do use the secret ballet to express what they don't always say in public.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 08:29 AM

If you vote for or supoport the BNP, you are supporting racism.
Don't forget it is common for people and parties to hide their true colours in order to get elected, ask the Trade Unions what they think of this current manifestation of their beloved Labour Party!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 09:23 AM

in that case john that makes the BNP no different to the other parties?

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 09:29 AM

If you vote for or supoport the BNP, you are supporting racism.

tell that to their muslim bnp candidate and turkish candidate and according to google their jewish candidate

the wolf hides well

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 10:52 AM

As I said in another thread, there were Jews who supported Hitler. They thought he didn't mean all those nasty things, it wouldn't be that bad, that he might even send the European Jews to Palestine. They were wrong, just a bit.

So it's not a hidden wolf, but a wolf in sheikh's clothing.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: clairerise
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 12:21 PM

scary. big predictions for bnp gains in telegraph

BNP set to win seats as support surges

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=TVQHD5IFXY3C1QFIQMGSFFOAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2006/04/21/npoll21.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/04/21/ixportaltop.html

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourough
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 12:36 PM

If there wasn't support for this party they wouldn't be here. Just because you feel it's alright to have English as the second language in some London schools there are those that don't agree with with you. So what your saying is their wrong and your right ! Very democratic.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Emma B
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 12:44 PM

I'd love to have English taught well; it might enable you to say "they're wrong" "Gillian"
Please keep your racism off this site!

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 01:17 PM

You don't have to be a recist to be a bud spoller, Emma. Just look at Sir jOhn from hull9. I stongly suspect that most 'Guests' on this thread will be BNP plants though - Apologies to those who aren't (especialy you, Paul - I know from your other posts you are far from it!) Just to be on the safe side let us let any advertising for the BNP die. I should not have posted before realy. I will not do so again on this thread.

Cheers

Dave the Gnome

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Emma B
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 01:42 PM

I know Dave, we need more people like jOhn (or do I mean nOrman) in here these days - I just think that anyone who is critical of people whose second language is English might grasp the elements of grammar themselves before they open their mouths and spout rubbish!

Cheers to you too

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourough
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 01:43 PM

Emma B, And of course you are right ?
I suppose your never wrong and others are not allowed an opinion.
You'll get your answer in May.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 01:47 PM

Here we go not voting for nuts in May, nuts in May, nuts in May!
G.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: clairerise
Date: 21 Apr 06 - 02:43 PM

im not sure objecting to english as a second language in schools is racism? it is social commentary of a right wing kind i suppose. But unfair to say racist.

as for plants on mudcat. possible, but with so much support gathering for the BNP, the question has to be asked whether or not it is inevitable for bnp supporters to be legitimately on mudcat?

personally i believe in society to accept all peoples so would never vote bnp. But, i equally dont think the answer is not to talk about them. if that worked, we wouldn't be in the position were they are getting the support they are getting.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:09 AM

for all the talk on here. how many are actually going to actively campaign against the BNP this election?

An honest yes or no.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:11 AM

I would if they were standing in my area. Not enough working class high unemployment areas in the Highlands for their type of crap to take root in.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Beer
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:20 AM

Just by posting this Giok you are already doing your part.
Beer

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:27 AM

can you not travel john?

beer i dont think posting on mudcat is somehow going to prevent a local councillor getting elected. with all respect.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:28 AM

what about the others. im asking because talk is cheap. action is priceless. yes or no. how many on here will be actively campaigning against the BNP?

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Beer
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:35 AM

I agree with you guest, but the fact that Giok posted this thread he has enlightened me to something I was not aware of. All the way to Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 06 - 07:39 AM

canada. well that's not going stop people in a local ward council stop voting BNP?

seems to me, and it is fucking dissapointing, that for all the talk on here. i would hazard a guess that not one person will actually campaign against the BNP this election.

Phonies. When they elected, you'll be to blame.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 04:43 AM

I'm doing my bit by exposing them at every turn, we're not even having elections in Scotland this year, but it doesn't mean that the abhorrent BNP can't be railed against from all quarters.
The internet, and good old word of mouth are very powerful tools against racists.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 11:01 AM

cyber activism is the activism of the lazy. john im afraid, and i genuinley mean this, you are a phony.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 11:08 AM

Hee hee, you certainly spell like a BNP member!
G.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 11:14 AM

Guest above - I'm not very fond of anonymous posters and John will probably not forgive me for saying this, but as he is going into hospital this week to try and halt a long period of painful and progressive lack of mobility I feel your comments are more than a little misplaced!
I think everyone should do as much as they are able to combat the BNP and, exposure via the forum, (which they are happy to use to peddle their own lies) is fine by me!

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourough
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 11:51 AM

That's right everyone, only Emma is allowed an opinion. We are all so very wrong. None but her should speak. It must be so very heartwarming Emma to be so self righteous ? In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. In your case it's the one eyed woman.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 12:07 PM

"Gillian" if you only took the time to listen and read - you would see that I am expressing what I "feel" and "think" to be true not condemning anyone else for their origins or ethnicity like some of the other posts I have read. I believe I am allowed MY opinions about others actions however, and while our political system is free enough to allow you to express your repugnant remarks permit me to counter them too.
Am I stopping you speaking? - it would appear not!

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 12:45 PM

Gillian -

I doubt very much if English is taught as a second language in London. In Vancouver we have French immersion schools but English is still not considered a second language. The students are considered to be bilingual. The waiting lists are very long. Parents in Canada want their children to speak more than one language.

Can you please answer this question - What is the language of instruction in the schools where English is a second language?

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Gillian Brookbourough
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 03:34 PM

As families around Britain celebrated the day of the English national saint; whether by a traditional family roast with all the trimmings, a fete, carnival or just quiet reflection on what was a beautiful spring Sunday, it is worth remembering just who George really was, his origins and deeds which laid the foundations of his sainthood, if he were alive today he would call, God save Ulster.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 03:48 PM

Gillian - Please answer the question, "What is the language of instruction in the schools where English is a second language?"

...or stop exaggerating.

I think St. George (if he ever existed) would expect you to be more considerate and courteous to others.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,ifor
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 03:49 PM

Dear Gillian
actually George was probably a Turkish or Byzantine knight with nothing to do with England although christian crusaders did sack Constantinople during the first crusade thus fatally weakening it as a bulwark for christendom!
As for his deeds ...I think you will find out that the dragon is a mythological creature!!
ifor

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST,Farnsworth Knoblick
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 03:55 PM

Auntie Gillian: Let them have it both barrels as you did those nasty fellows who spanked my bottom so many years ago. I much preferred it when you spanked my bottom.

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 03:56 PM

"God save Ulster"

Haha!

That's great... Lets imagine what someone from the 4th Century would have said if he were alive today. Nice forward thinking there.

What language would he have said 'God save Ulster' in?

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 03:57 PM

You wouldn't say that if you met my first M in L Ifor
G. ☻

Subject: RE: BS: For those who want to read about the BNP
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Apr 06 - 04:03 PM

Gillian is obviously referring to the Sick Counties, which although it is geographically close to the original Ulster, is still not really Ulster, and it is wrong to describe it as such.
It is more correct to call it Norn Iron.
Giok