Subject: Attribution added: DT authors From: GUEST,Philippa Date: 25 Jul 02 - 07:26 AM This is an edited PermaThread©, and all messages posted here are subject to editing and deletion. This thread is intended to serve as a forum for corrections and annotations for songwriter attributions in the Digital Tradition Folk Song Database. -Joe Offer- Several songs in the DT which have known authors are lacking attribution, although often this has been added to discussion threads. Perhaps if we have a thread specifically dedicated to filling in details of authors, composers and copywrite; Dick & Susan and co. will refer to it next time they update the Digital Tradition. Messages will be moved here to thread 71227 (click) after they are recorded. |
Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors From: dick greenhaus Date: 25 Jul 02 - 04:31 PM Hi- Excellent idea. I'll go you on better--I'll ask Joe to make it a permathread, so I can't miss it. BTW, if I have a mangled transcription, please feel free to send a correction. I don't speak Irish, so I'm at the mercy of contributors. Good idea, Dick. Philippa, I hope you don't mind this being changed to an edited thread. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 10 Jun 10 - 07:00 PM Take a look at Will McLean's Hold Back the Waters filename[ HOLDBACK It's missing the first verse. You'll find corrected lyrics in THIS MESSAGE (CLICK) |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Jun 10 - 09:44 PM Note He's Gone Away filename[ HESGONE I see one typo: And you will kiss mg ruby lips when you come back! My Love Is Like a Red, Red Rose filename[ REDREDRO note the zeroes in the first stanza - they should be replaced by the letter "O" Take a look at this message - it corrects typographical errors in "The Echo Mocks the Corncrake," filename[ CORNCRK Take a look at "Sourkraut" filename[ SRKRAUT It's nice to have the lyrics from Jean Thomas, but did she really spell it "sourkraut"? At the very least, the proper spelling should be included in the song notes, so it can be found by searching. There's a thread on the song here (click). I ordered a copy of the Jean Thomas book today (2 July), so I'll post the corrected lyrics when I get them. I made a few corrections on Gordon Bok's "Herring Croon" filename[ HERRCRON You'll find corrected lyrics in this message Take a look at "Ringsend Rose" - filename[ RINGSEND Songwriter is Pete St. John also, what appears to be the second verse is the chorus (And there she goes...) |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 29 Jul 10 - 01:39 PM The song that is called I DIG SEX in the DT (IDIGSEX) is actually THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF SEX by Steve Goodman. I have verified this by listening to a sound sample at Allmusic.com. There is a thread about the song here: Chords Req: Wonderful World of Sex (Steve Goodman). |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 29 Jul 10 - 02:39 PM The song that is called GOODBYE in the DT (GOODBY), with no attribution, is actually GOOD-BYE-EE by R. P. Weston & Bert Lee. Also, the DT has only verse 1 and the chorus. Verses 1-3 and the chorus are given here and verse 4 is given here. Complete song (Joe) |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Sep 10 - 05:32 PM Very little thing on Tell Old Bill filename[ OLDBILL |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Nov 10 - 04:12 PM THE BALLAD OF F.D.R filename[ BALLDFDR are the same song. They have identical lyrics, except that filename[ BALLFDR2 has one additional verse at the end - and filename[ BALLDFDR has an explanatory note. I'd suggest the two be combined, including both titles, the additional verse, and the explanatory note. BALLFDR2 is a far better transcription, although the words are more-or-less the same in both entries. I highly doubt that the "Oct 16" song actually goes under both of these titles. The Bear Family Songs for Political Action box set has an entirely different song titled "The Ballad of F.D.R." - you'll find it in this thread (click) |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Desert Dancer Date: 16 Feb 11 - 04:53 PM The WRAGGLE TAGGLE GYPSIES (DT #7180) lyrics, tune, and notes were taken from "Fireside Book of Folk Songs", Edited by Margaret Bradford Boni, published by Simon & Schuster, 1947 ~ Becky in Tucson |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 18 Feb 11 - 11:46 PM Robbie Wilson, who posted a message here http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=135736 had a couple of lyric corrections for the song JOHNNY MCGORY by Pete St. John, filename[ JHNMCGRY Robbie says verse 2 line 1 should read: "Up to the Gloucester Diamond, Red Biddy on your mind" The Gloucester Diamond is a neighbourhood in Dublin; Red Biddy was a cheap red wine. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 22 Feb 11 - 10:12 PM YOU GENTLEMEN OF HIGH REKNOWN filename[ REYNFOX2 "Reknown" is a misspelling. It should be "renown." |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 18 Apr 11 - 11:49 AM DIESEL ON MY TAIL (DSLTAIL) was written by Jim Fagan, and recorded by Jim & Jesse. Corrected lyrics are posted here. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 05 May 11 - 04:50 PM MtheGM says: All Around My Hat (I Will Wear the Green Willow) [filename[ ROUNDHAT] is the traditional version of the song, and yet it bears a duplicate of the notes for the Steeleye Span version [filename[ RONDHAT5], which is quite a different song. It would be nice to have attribution for the traditional lyrics, or at least delete the misleading Steeleye Span reference. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: MGM·Lion Date: 05 May 11 - 11:17 PM See my note on thread on this subject, Joe, suggesting Brian Peters as person to consult. He sang the ROUNDHAT version most movingly at the Bob Copper Memorial Concert a few years ago, IIRC. ~Michael~ |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 11 May 11 - 06:32 PM The DT version of the "Old Settler's Song or Acres of Clams" filename[ OLDSETLR has no chorus, no attribution, and no punctuation. You may want to substitute the version I posted here (click) -Joe- Just a tiny correction in "Frozen Logger" filename[ FROZLOGR Second stanza:
'Cause nobody but a logger stirs his coffee with his thumb. Please note the spelling of the name of Mudcatter/Songwriter Anne Lister. It's spelled "Ann" in two songs in the DT: Oklahoma Hills - filename[ OKLAHILL Slight change in the first verse, second-last line, should be:
AZEKATARLE - filename[ AZEKTRLE seems to be a nonstandard spelling of the song title. A Google search for AZEKATARLE brings up only information that is derived from the Digital Tradition. I found four recordings, including one by Pete Seeger, that spell it Asikatali. The English group Blue Murder spell it Azicatal. I think I'd list "Asikatali" as the primary song title, and include the others in the notes to facilitate searching. Bluebeard - filename[ BLUBEARD I added songwriter and source attribution and made several small corrections in this post. For the song BORDERLINES, filename[ BORDERLN : The daughter of one of the songwriters posted corrected lyrics in this message (click) For the song titled "Finlandia" in the DT filename[ FINLNDIA There are a few spelling errors, so I posted a corrected version at the bottom of this message (click). Masato posted corrected lyrics to "Battle Hymn of the Republic" in this message (click) The DT version has several mondegreens and other mistakes. filename[ GLORYHAL |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 06 Jul 11 - 01:25 PM Both Sides the Tweed filename[ BTHTWEED This message (click) contains corrected lyrics. The difference I see is in only one word, but it's important: third line of the chours should be
Very slight but important correction in Kimmage filename[ KIMMAGE The first line of the penultimate verse should be
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Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 09 Aug 11 - 09:14 AM ROCKALL should properly be called ROCK ON, ROCKALL. It was written by Brian Warfield, a member of the Wolfe Tones, and first recorded by the Wolfe Tones. This information is from Allmusic.com filename[ ROCKALL |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 10 Aug 11 - 02:05 AM I'm An Old Cowhand... filename[ COWHAND is missing a verse, and the DT lyrics are convoluted. You'll find complete lyrics in this message. They Wounded Old Ireland was written by Andy M. Stewart (DT says Mark Westphal) filename[ WOUNDIRE See this thread for explanation. Corrections for The Banks of Marble [filename[ BNKMRBLE] are in this message. The DT has lots of little errors. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 20 Aug 11 - 01:51 PM ASCAP.com says Buffy Sainte Marie wrote PINEY WOOD HILLS. filename[ PINWDHIL |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 22 Aug 11 - 11:13 PM I'VE BEEN EVERYWHERE in the DT has lots of misspelled place names. See the version posted here for corrections. Also, it needs to have an attribution added: Words and music by "Geoff Mack" (Real name: Albert Geoffrey McElhinney) As sung by Hank Snow, 1962 I think it needs the "Hank Snow" information because another version with the same title and by the same songwriter, but using all Australian place names, was recorded in Australia in the same year by Lucky Starr. filename[ IVBNEWHR |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Jim Dixon Date: 14 Nov 11 - 09:59 AM The song in the DT that is called THE SHAPE OF MY LOVE is actually BALLAD OF THE SHAPE OF THINGS written by Sheldon M. Harnick. That is the legal title according to BMI; SHAPE OF THINGS is given as an alternate title. filename[ SHAPELOV |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Dec 11 - 09:06 PM There are a number of mistakes and an entirely incorrect verse (from another song) in "A Wee Docht and Doris" - filename[ DOCHDORS I posted lyrics from the sheet music in this message -Joe- A Place in the Choir, filename[ PLACHOIR, is by Bill Staines Two typos in HE KELTY CLIPPIE - filename filename[ KELTYCLP.txt The title, of course, should be "The Kelty Clippie." There's a space in "it's" in the chorus that shouldn't be there. In addition, the file name should probably be simply KELTYCLP and not KELTYCLP.txt Otherwise, the DT text seems to be a perfect transcription of the lyrics in The Scottish Folksinger "No Man's Land" by Eric Bogle filename[ NOMANLD Looks like an exact transcription of the lyrics from ericbogle.net - just one typo in the second line - the word "gy" is obviously incorrect. I question "no Willie McBride" in the first line of the fourth verse, but that's also what they have on the Bogle Website. BobKnight's transcription and the DT version are essentially the same, with a few minor differences. I will agree that Bob's transcription is generally closer to to the lyrics Bogle sings on the By Request CD. Note that ericbogle.net claims to be the official Eric Bogle Website. It does seem authentic, but note that it is located in South Africa. Even "official Websites are often wrong. Stone Cold Dead in the Market filename[ COLDDEAD One line has "I'm goming back" - the source was my posting of the lyrics in the Forum, and the typographical mistake was mine. Please cover up for my peccadillo and replace it with "I'm coming back." Fiddler's Green filename[ FIDGREEN - note that the spelling of the songwriter name is John Conolly. There are several minor errors in the transcription. See this message for a corrected transcription of the lyrics. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Genie Date: 23 Apr 12 - 02:21 AM The DT has Mark Cohen's parody lyrics "(Perennial Beginner) The F-Chord" listed as being to the tune of: "A Conversation with Mother (Berryman and Berryman)." The title of the Berrymans' song is "A Chat With Your Mother (The F-Word)." |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: GUEST,Nick Woolf Date: 30 May 12 - 11:07 AM Pity the Downtrodden Landlord Filename [ LANDPITY You may recall the search for the author of this song. It was finally tracked down in Feb 07, when we found the original sheet music. see http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=30748#1979175 Here is the song in DT format : PITY THE DOWNTRODDEN LANDLORD (Lyric by Dr Barnet Woolf Music by Arnold Clayton) Please open your hearts and your purses To a man who is misunderstood. He gets all the kicks and the curses, Though he wishes you nothing but good: He wistfully begs you to show him You think he's a friend, not a louse, So remember the debt that you owe him, The landlord who lends you his house. CHORUS: So pity the downtrodden landlord, And his back that is burdened and bent; Respect his grey hairs, don't ask for repairs, And don't be behind with the rent ! You are able to work for your living And rejoice in your strength and your skill; So try to be kind and forgiving To a man whom a day's work would kill; You can work and still talk to your neighbour, You can look the whole world in the face, But the landlord who ventured to labour, Would never survive the disgrace CHORUS When thunder clouds gather and darken, You can sleep undisturbed in your bed, But the landlord must sit up and hearken, And shiver, and wonder, and dread. If you're killed, then you'll die in a hurry, And you never will know your bad luck, But the landlord is shaking with worry, "Has one of my houses been struck?" CHORUS When a landlord resorts to eviction, Don't think that he does it for spite; He is acting from deepest conviction, And what's right, after all, is what's right; But I see that your hearts are all hardened, And I fear I'm appealing in vain; Yet I hope that my last plea will be pardoned, If I beg on my knees once again . CHORUS © Workers' Music Association No. 9029 http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=30748#1979175 NW What needs changing on DT is the attribution, and deleting the query on the attribution of the second verse. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: GUEST,Gerry Date: 01 Jun 12 - 07:10 AM The song, Settle Down, is in the database twice, once under Settle Down (I'm Goin' Down That Highway), once under Maybe I'll Settle Down, and in both places it is attributed to Tom Paxton, but it was written by Mike Settle (according to the liner notes on a Peter Paul and Mary album, and a Judy Collins album). |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 Jun 12 - 04:20 PM "Settle Down" (Goin' Down the at Highway), by *"Mike Settle, Essex Music Inc., ASCAP." Lyrics here- http://www.peterpaulandmary.com/music/02-01.htm * Could not find listed at ASCAP. The song is listed in Settle's bio. at http://www.lazyka.com/linernotes/persone/Settle.htm First release on album "Folk Sing Hallelujah", Mike Settle and the Settlers, 1961 http://www.secondhandsongs.com/work/122558 |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Jun 12 - 10:04 PM "Housewife's Lament" - filename[ HSEWFLAM We determined in thread 129897 that the original poem was written by Eliza Sproat Turner (1826-1903), published in Arthur's Lady's Home Magazine, Volume 37 (Philadelphia: T. S. Arthur & Sons, April, 1871), page 241. The original title of the poem was "The Housekeeper's Tragedy." There are a few corrections for the lyrics of Cyril Tawney's "Five Foot Flirt" in this message (click). filename[ FLIRT5FT In America the Beautiful, filename[ AMBEAUT1 the songwriter is twice referred to as Kathering Lee Bates. Alan Bell's Windmills (plural) is incorrectly identified as a singular "Windmill," filename filename[ WNDMILL. The DT transcription has several minor errors and mondegreens. A fully corrected text can be found in this message A couple of typos in the text of "The Death of Emma Hartsell," filename[ HARTSELL:
-Joe- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Oct 12 - 03:46 AM There seem to be two entries for "The Minstrel," by Graham and Eileen Pratt. Both have the filename[ MINSTRL - but only one entry has a tune file. The songs are: http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=9947 http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=8701 Now, this may be a Mudcat glitch and not the fault of the Digital Tradition, but I thought you should know about it. "In Old Pod-Auger Times," filename[ PODAUGER Third verse, second line, should be: And struggle with bad cigars, Also, there's an extra space in the word "I'll" in the first line of the first verse. Photographer's Ballad, filename[ PHOTOBLD, by Grit Laskin is actually titled "The Photographers." The lyrics in the DT are a bit off - I posted corrected lyrics in this message (click). Our DT version of Do You Hear What I Hear?, filename[ DOTOUHER, is a mess. I posted corrected lyrics with proper attribution here (click). Tattie Bogle wants you to remember to correct the "coattails flying" line in Dougie MacLean's Caledonia See this thread, in which Martin Graebe complains (rightly) that his song "Jack in the Green" has been bowdlerized in the Digital Tradition. We have two versions in the DT that are essentially the same, except that filename[ JACKGREE has a verse missing. Why not delete filename[ JACKGREE and leave the other version, filename[ JACKGRE2. The second version comes from Graebe's Website, so it's likely to be the definitive version. Tom Lehrer's LOBACHEVSKY filename[ LOBACHEV is missing a line. See this thread (click) for the correction. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: thnidu Date: 20 May 13 - 09:37 AM 0.7742 - WE SHALL NOT BE MOVED http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=7647 attributes authorship of the spiritual to V. O. Fossett. But as the first poster in thread http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=76413, "GUEST,Operadoc@adelphia.com", points out, "Since he wrote in the 1950's-70's and this tune predates the union change to "We" in the 1930's could he be the arranger?" -- Mark Mandel |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 28 May 13 - 04:55 AM "The Fiddler," filename FIDDLER, is unattributed in the DT. We've determined the songwriter is Charlie Moore. There are numerous errors in the lyrics in the DT, so there's a corrected transcription in this message (click). Larry Kaplan sent corrected lyrics for his "Get Her Into Shore" filename[ SHORINTO Corrected lyrics here (click) The Cloakmakers' Union, filename[ CLOAKMKR, has its title spelled wrong. There's a line missing and a couple of wrong words in "The King of Ballyhooley", filename[ BLLYHOOL You'll find corrected lyrics in this message. "This Ol' Riverboat" appears in the Digital Tradition twice, each time with only half the lyrics. The song was written by Randy Sparks. filename[ STMBOAT. Complete lyrics are in this post (click). |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Stevebury Date: 24 Sep 13 - 02:15 PM I'm working up the song "Schooner E. A. Horton," based principally on the version in Flanders and Olney, Ballads Migrant in New England. So I've noted a couple of corrections to the version in the Digital Tradition. * The song is incorrectly attributed as "Collected from Charles Cooke of Ripton VT in 1941." That description, which appears after the song, actually refers to the succeeding song in the book. The correct attribution should be "collected from Mr. Albert Howard in Orford NH (formerly of Blue Hill ME), 1942" . * midi, melody line 6 (of 8): the last note should be c-natural not c-sharp [Note: You've correctly transcribed the low B in lines 2, 4, 5 and 8; but I am convinced that they are incorrect as published in "Ballads Migrant ...". A C instead of B would be consistent with the tune in Warner for 'Heenan and Sayers'. There are other acknowleged errors in the music transcriptions in "Ballads Migrant ...".] * verse 1, line 6: "stolen" should be "stole" * verse 6, line 2 "treatie" should be "treaty" [Note: I would add '[sic]' after "sixty-one" at the end of verse 2, line 1; the correct date is 1871. I would also add '[sic]' after the first "Yankee" in verse 3 line 4; this clearly should be "Britishers", and so appears in "Minstrelsy of Maine.] Stevebury |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Oct 13 - 07:38 PM Bob Coltman gave me a couple corrections for his "Lonesome Robin," filename[ LONEROBN Full discussion is in this message (here is a corrected Digital Tradition version) LONESOME ROBIN (Bob Coltman) Rise up on your bed of straw, And see if you can't bend back your bow one last time; You're sick with your wounds and you think you don't care, But you know it'll prey on your mind. And wherever your arrow falls to the ground, We'll lay lonesome Robin down, one last time. No more Robin, no more, your outlaw days are over. Funny how hot is the sun, Now that you can't run away to the shade; And you can't help thinkin' of the deer you have run, And of all the games you have played; And wonderin' what Marian found to do, That's better than comin' to see you, one last time. No more Robin, no more, your outlaw days are over. When you were a little boy, You had to go to bed early while the sun still shone; 'Twas just like sleep was the end of the world, And tomorrow would never come. Now lonesome Robin can't you just close your eyes, And pretend that the sun will still rise one last time. No more Robin, no more, your outlaw days are over. Now time has took your time away, Time and contraptions have whittled you down; And all the times that you ever have had Have took to their heels and gone. Hold on to whatever is closest to you, It's all lonesome Robin can do, one last time. No more Robin, no more, your outlaw days are over. note: death of Robin Hood @death @outlaw Recorded by Bob Coltman Copyright Bob Coltman filename[ LONEROBN SOF |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Oct 13 - 07:52 PM Bob Coltman says that Kissing Song - filename[ KISSNG is improperly credited to song collector Jean Thomas. The songwriter is Billy Carter, 1882. Perhaps this note could be added at the bottom of the lyrics:
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Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 25 Oct 13 - 02:30 PM Billy Carter (b. 1834) was a banjoist and blackface performer in minstrel and vaudeville shows. I can find nothing on his songs or routines. His scrapbook is held by Middle Tennessee University. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Jan 14 - 04:02 PM I posted corrections to typographical errors in "Didn't I Dance" in this message. Filename [ DDNTDANC |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 20 Jan 14 - 02:01 PM "Save Your Money While You're Young;" DT version should be credited to Jim Doherty; In Fowke, 1970, "Lumbering Songs from the Northern Woods," pp. 206-207. with musical score.
Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 22 Jan 14 - 12:11 PM "THE SPINNING WHEEL," DT, with the chorus "Merrily, cheerily, noiselessly whirring" - lyrics by John Francis Waller (1809-1894), using the pseudonym Jonathan Freke Slingsby.
-Joe- |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 11 Mar 14 - 03:12 AM Johnson's Motor Gar bus be a misspelled song title, dontchathink? filename[ JHNMTR |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Joe Offer Date: 25 Apr 14 - 12:30 AM "Dooley," recorded by the Dillards, is unattributed, has mondegreens, and appears twice in the Digital Tradition: filename[ DOOLEY filename[ OLDOOLWY This thread has the whole story, but there are corrected lyrics from Stewie: DOOLEY (Rodney Dillard/Mitch Jayne) Now Dooley was a good old man, he lived below the mill Dooley had two daughters and a forty-gallon still One girl watched the boiler, the other watched the spout Mama corked the bottles when ol' Dooley fetched them out CHORUS Dooley, slippin' up the holler Dooley, tryin' to make a dollar Dooley, gimme a swaller And I'll pay you back some day Now Dooley was a trader when into town he'd come Sugar by the bushel and molasses by the drum The revenuers came for him, slippin' through the woods Dooley kept behind them all and never lost his goods CHORUS Now I remember very well the day old Dooley died The women folk looked sorry and the men stood around and cried Now Dooley's on the mountain, he lies there all alone They put a jug beside him and a barrel for a stone CHORUS [last line repeated] The lyrics above are from the original Dillards recording of the song. Later recordings switched the couplets in the second verse: The revenuers came for him, slippin' through the woods Dooley kept behind them all and never lost his goods Now Dooley was a trader when into town he'd come Sugar by the bushel and molasses by the drum (as performed by the Dillards on the Andy Griffith Show) @drink @outlaw filename[ DOOLEY BJS |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Desert Dancer Date: 17 Jun 14 - 12:32 PM Per this thread, Marching song/Cadence Count (see especially recent posts), SOUND OFF (CADENCE COUNT) (DUCKWORTH CHANT) attribution is incorrect. It says, In WWII, black troops were, apparently, given more freedom See this page at the Missouri Folklore Society: The modern cadence call was born in the spring of 1944 at Fort Slocum, New York's Provisional Training Center. Colonel Bernard Lentz, the fort's commander at the time, published a well-established account of the event: The chant is copyright Lentz & Duckworth. ~ Becky in Long Beach |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Tattie Bogle Date: 17 Jun 14 - 12:48 PM I know I've asked before, but can we please get the correct version of Caledonia by Dougie Maclean? (In the DT as Caledonia 2) I saw him live on Saturday night, and this is what he sang (taken straight from his own website, so must be right - will someone please believe me now - NO coattails!!) http://www.dougiemaclean.com/index.php/c/29-caledonia |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: MGM·Lion Date: 14 Jul 14 - 02:39 PM Why does the DT call the song which identifies itself in the first line as about a sailor, "The Rambling Soldier"? ~~ RAMBLING SOLDIER/TRIM-RIGGED DOXY I am a sailor brisk and bold... Shome mishtake shurely? ~M~ |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Jul 14 - 07:15 AM "The Garden Where The Praties Go" should be attributed to Johnny Patterson -- check him on Wikipedia. ~M~ |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: MGM·Lion Date: 10 Aug 14 - 01:57 PM Calico Printer's Clerk [sic]. Attribution to Mike Raven of The Halliard should read "Dave Moran of The Halliard". (Although he had solo tracks on same disc, John Raven was not a member of The Halliard, who were Dave Moran, Nigel Paterson and Nic Jones.) |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Steve Gardham Date: 11 Aug 14 - 09:35 AM Calico Printer's Clerk While we're on we might as well put in the correct attribution which is already on several threads particularly those on Harry Clifton. He wrote the words and sang it c1863. The Glasgow Poet's Box printed it in 1865. The music is ascribed to Charles Coote Jr. It was published by Hopwood & Crew, serial H&C 732. I wouldn't describe it as either Music Hall or broadside ballad. It's a concert or drawing room piece. Clifton strictly speaking wasn't Music Hall although he was just as big as the swells and Lion Comiques. He plied his trade around the country in the more upmarket theatres usually arranged by himself. |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: MGM·Lion Date: 11 Aug 14 - 09:52 AM To what tune did he sing it, Steve? SFAIK, the tune on that Halliard/John Raven record is Dave Moran's own, like most of the songs The Halliard sang their broadsides to; one exception being "Going For A Soldier, Jenny", composed & sung by Nic Jones (or, as credited on that one early disc, Nick Jones!). ≈M≈ |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: MGM·Lion Date: 11 Aug 14 - 10:12 AM Out of interest, how often is this thread checked, & necessary corrections carried out in DT? It is now about a month since I posted the name of the writer of Garden Where The Praties Grow, but no emendation appears to have been made on DT. ≈M≈ |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: MGM·Lion Date: 11 Aug 14 - 10:14 AM ...nor to Rambling Soldier, which is actually about a sailor. Should not those ic DT check this thread from time to time? ~M~ |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 11 Aug 14 - 12:19 PM Joe is on vacation, I believe; he handles this thread. He asked me to post corrections of this kind in the thread on the song. See thread "Rambling Soldier," thread 108324, where a text for "Rambling Soldier" is posted. DT corrections of the sort you ask for probably won't appear in your lifetime. Rambling Soldier |
Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread From: MGM·Lion Date: 11 Aug 14 - 12:41 PM I should have thought DT should be definitive, insofar as such a thing is possible; and that this thread exists to ensure this to be the case. Oh, well... |
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