Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 15 Jan 10 - 01:17 PM John MacKenzie - PM Date: 15 Jan 10 - 10:37 AM "Why don't you piss off with your doggerel to your own boring thread, you egotistical tosser?"...why don't you stop deluding yourself? |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Ruth Archer Date: 15 Jan 10 - 01:26 PM Giok - patties from Brixton market. Oh yes. I lived in Tulse Hill, and used to walk round the market on Electric Avenue on my way to work. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: GUEST,biff Date: 15 Jan 10 - 01:54 PM anyone ever have fish and chips at St. Andrews?? Went to a place there in 1979 and (actually cheated) had the pizza and chips rolled up in a paper wrapper. It was one of the best meals of my life. Ok, it wasn't the fish, but the place was locally famous. Don't know its name. Near the coast. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 15 Jan 10 - 01:59 PM Thomas Jefferson served deep-fried slab cut potatoes at the White House in 1802; there is discussion of them as far back as 1680 in Belgium. How old is the fish fry? Trust the English to cop a good thing. Long ago I was staying in Seven Oaks and commuting to London. Coming back to Seven Oaks at night, I always stopped at a fish and chips place on the way to where I was staying. The best I have ever had! Yes, with the newsprint wrapping. Many years ago, midwives working in the ghetto or country were advised to cover the birthing board (or bed) with newspapers; the greasy inks were germicidal. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Les from Hull Date: 15 Jan 10 - 02:13 PM Fish 'n' chips, Q! Where was Jefferson's fish? Anyway, the chips were most likely cooked by one of his slaves. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 15 Jan 10 - 05:14 PM So, tonight, I went and wished my chirpy chippy a Happy 150th Birthday and my young lad and I had fish and chips. As he was cooking them he was telling me that oop north he'd heard there used to be a coal fired fish and chip range, dating back to the 1920's...and that it was still in use today... Apparently, the ol' fella who originally owned it used to stoke up the fire then put the fish in to cook, black coal on his hands and all... :0) And sure enough...here's some info about it: Coal Fired Fryer Range... And here's the very shop, still going, in Lincolnshire.... Suttons....Fish'n'Chips'n'Coal Oh...and today is National Fish'n'Chip Day....and he was wondering why that was..Now, he knows. :0) |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Bert Date: 15 Jan 10 - 06:25 PM If you want the best plate of fish and chips ever. Come to Colorado Springs and go to Oscar's on Tejon when my son Chad is cooking there. Where it the best place in your town? |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Dave the Gnome Date: 15 Jan 10 - 06:41 PM We had fish and chips in an Irish bar in St Louis - It was fish goujons and crisps - Honest! Best pace near us (Salford) is the Lancastrian Supper Bar on Bolton Road, Irlams o'th' Height. Best ones I have had though must be in Whitby. The Magpie is good but the place over the bridge has the edge I think - Nobles? Funiest experience was getting thrown out of a chip shop in Skipton for dancing in singing 'Harry Ramsdens, Harry Ramsdens. Ramsdens, Ramsdens, Harry, Harry.' DeG |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Ruth Archer Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:04 PM In terms of regional variations, the weird, undoubtedly deadly, but totally addictive orange chips of the Black Country surely reign supreme. They have this very thin batter on them that looks kind of like an industrial accident. It's amazing on every level. Black Country orange chips There's a great chippy in Pelsall that does them. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Ebbie Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:08 PM red sauce salad cream brown sauce scrappies steak and kidney pie/pudding lamb suet pudding scallops (in reference to fish) boiled babbies yeds surprise peas mutton pies holland pies and puds dollopygollops mushy peas Jamaica Patties And we wonder why UKers and USAians sometimes don't understand each other? But at least this sounds good (lol): "Fish and chips, London, 1970s style- heavy rock salmon, tasted like lorry inner tubes fried in engine oil and encased in rockwool insulation. Mountains of inedible razor- tipped "chips", case hardened for at least 24 hours. Pies that grunted when you bit into them, you didn't dare lift the crust. Gravy apparently a product of dysenteric cows. With free added fag-ash." |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Dave MacKenzie Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:23 PM The best fish and chips I ever had was in the Harbour Inn in Southwold washed down with a pint of Adnams, especially when wrapped in newspaper. Nowadays, whenever I make it to the sessions in the Glan yr Afon (just outside Holywell) they serve some excellent chips -even edible cold! As for sauce, well, being an Edinburgensian, there is no substitute for "sauce" (mixed brown and vinegar). |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Lox Date: 15 Jan 10 - 08:38 PM Oh God ... ... I'm Hungry ... |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: EBarnacle Date: 15 Jan 10 - 09:35 PM When Arthur Treacher's Fish and Chips first came to the US, they claimed that their recipe was licensed by Malin's of Bow, presumably the Malin's mentioned in the citations. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: MGM·Lion Date: 15 Jan 10 - 10:34 PM I recall from my first visit to USA nearly 40 years ago a chain of fish&chip songs - forget the name but they all had 'English Fish & Chips' on a sign swinging pub-style under a bar representing a rolled umbrella & bowler hat: which struck my wife & me as a very funny [deliberate or innocent?, we wondered] misunderstanding, as the rolled-umbrella class & the f&c-eating class are, of course, not one & the same. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: mousethief Date: 16 Jan 10 - 12:45 AM MtheGM: H Salt Esq? All: What is "brown sauce"? |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Jan 10 - 02:03 AM Brown sauce, m·thief, is a table sauce - various well-known brands here include OK, HP, Daddie's Favourite - 'malt vinegar base blended with fruits & spices' acc to Wiki: brown in colour as against the customary red of tomato ketchup, to which some prefer it as an adjunct to chippie-type dishes &c. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Ruth Archer Date: 16 Jan 10 - 04:24 AM Mousethief: brown sauce is not a million miles from A1 sauce. Similar, but different, if you see what I mean. Mthe GM, someone mentioned Arthur Treacher's. That might have been the chain you remember. We had one for a while near where I grew up. They wrapped the fish and chips in greaseproof that was printed to look like The Times. I remember the fish being uniformly triangular, like those portions you get from a supermarket freezer in the UK. To give you a further indication of their authenticity, they sold side dishes like hush puppies, which are a Southern American type of fritter. Why, I don't know - presumably because they were also fried. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: manitas_at_work Date: 16 Jan 10 - 05:08 AM I've never heard of Malim's of Bow, the original Malin's was in Cleveland Street in Stepney. Not too far away but I'd be surprised if there was a connection I'd never heard of in over 50 years in East London. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Jan 10 - 06:17 AM Thanks Ruth - but it wasn't Arthur Treacher's; I am pretty sure coz recall that, as well as inappropriate posh logo of bowler & rolled umbrella, had equally unsuitably posh name, like Lord Somebody's English Fish & Chips, or some such: they really had got the class vibes most hilariously wrong — half-deliberately, I suspect, if you follow what I mean — ambivalently posh-attractive & tongue-in-cheek at once: sort of self-guyingly trying·too·hard for the upperclass anglophile image. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Paul Burke Date: 16 Jan 10 - 07:25 AM Dave, was it you or the pint of Adnam's that was wrapped in newspaper? |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Les from Hull Date: 16 Jan 10 - 08:35 AM It must have been the pint. It'd take a massive newspaper to wrap Dave! |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: ossonflags Date: 16 Jan 10 - 09:41 AM witches, cut fish, chat haddocks and patties, ah!!!!!!!! nostalgia |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Dave MacKenzie Date: 16 Jan 10 - 10:27 AM I knew there was a reason I preferred broadsheets. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: John MacKenzie Date: 16 Jan 10 - 10:32 AM I thought it was just broads, Dave :) ☺☻ |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: EBarnacle Date: 16 Jan 10 - 02:46 PM As long as the newspaper is The Sunday New York Times, it works...even though the print version has shrunk from the days when you needed a hand truck to carry it home, |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Bonzo3legs Date: 16 Jan 10 - 04:36 PM Why do fish and chip shops only sell the same 4 or 5 fish, why not bream, red mullett, are you there John Dory are you there?, hake etc, and why is it always caked in fatty batter? I once asked for my fish to be cooked without batter - on a Friday no less, and they did!! It brought immediate silence to the tracksuit bottomed queue. Mind you, it was McDermotts the championship winning fish & chip shop of the south east! |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 16 Jan 10 - 05:42 PM For a little variety, serve the french fries or chips with this: Steak tartare 2 pounds sirloin, finely ground 1 egg 2 teaspoons Dijon mustard 1 tablespoon onion, finely chopped 1 tablespoon capers, drained Dash Tabasco sauce 1 teaspoon Lea & Perrins Worcestershire 2 tablespoons virgin olive oil 2 teaspoons finely chopped parsley Salt and white pepper to taste. Mix egg, onion, capers, mustard, Worcestershire, Tabasco. Add olive oil and mix thoroughly. Add meat and parsley, season with salt and white pepper. Serve with a good red wine. A French recipe but the Worcestershire adds an English touch. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Dave MacKenzie Date: 16 Jan 10 - 07:12 PM No way John. Southwold is too far south for the Broads. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Bluegrassman Date: 16 Jan 10 - 08:30 PM I am surprised that no one has commented on the demise of Hammonds Chop Sauce, this was our favourite brown sauce and apparently ceased to be produced when a fire burned down the factory some years ago. Rumours are that some other company has taken over the recipe and is about to reproduce it, hope so :) |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: GUEST,Jim Martin Date: 17 Jan 10 - 06:42 AM "The scraps, near us, were called 'scratchins' - I remeber asking for 'an 'aypurth of scratchins when I were a lad." - we used to call them crinklings in S.Beds. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Bonzo3legs Date: 17 Jan 10 - 11:21 AM I used to buy two penny bag of chips on my way home from cubs in the mid 1950s! |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: MGM·Lion Date: 17 Jan 10 - 11:59 AM 2d, Bonzo? Where was this disgracefully overcharging clip-joint? |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Dave the Gnome Date: 17 Jan 10 - 12:06 PM David el Gnomo - 'an 'aypurth of scratchins? They charged you for scaps? And they say Yorkshiremen are tight! You've got it the wrong way round, Les. In Lancashire the owner charges and the customers are happy to pay - 1 tight git and 100 who will part with their money. In Yorkshire the customers will not part with their money so the owner has to give them away. 100 tight gits and 1 who will part with his scratchins... :-P Cheers DeG |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: GUEST,buspassed Date: 17 Jan 10 - 02:14 PM Sometime ago the chef in a posh restaurant in Leeds introduced 'scraps' as a side dish at £2-50 a throw, had that been Hull he would have needed a season ticket for A&E! |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: EBarnacle Date: 17 Jan 10 - 02:24 PM That recipe for Steak Tartare is very similar to the one they used at the Algonquin a few years ago. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Paul Burke Date: 17 Jan 10 - 02:57 PM 1 tight git and then we sever; 'aporth o' chips, alas, for ever! Deep in mushy peas I'll pledge thee, Too much salt and vinegar sour thee. Who shall say that haddock's lousy, While last week's Evening News she leaves him? Me, nae cheerful pie delights me; HP sauce around benights me. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 17 Jan 10 - 03:23 PM And then....of course.....there are some fish and chip shops which are just the place for falling in love, because they are...... One in a Million --------(Chris Wood's award winning song - Youtube) Chris Wood - One in a Million Bateman kept a chip shop And his daughter Peggy Sue She cleaned the fish and took the orders She chopped the tatties too. And the frier there was Billy Smith He sweated and he sang As the orders sizzled in the oil And bubbled in the pan. Bateman took the money And his daughter Peggy Sue She'd look up from her labours And she'd smile along the queue Oh and was it Bateman's prices Or was it Billy's song Or was it Peggy's smile that kept the queue so long. It was one in a million One in a million That chippy was One in a million No it wasn't Bateman's prices Nor it wasn't Billy's song But it was Peggy Bateman That kept the queue so long She was shapely as a mermaid And her lips were red and wet Her eyes as bright as herrings Flashing in the net. And to carry home a portion And unwrap its fishy charms Was to dream of nights of passion In lovely Peggy's arms Oh and Billy'd sing Deliah He'd sing Oh what a night And every song that Billy sang Had Peggy in its sights. She was one in a million One in a million That girl was One in a million Now Billy he's loved Peggy With a love that wont shine true since first old Bateman's took him on On the day that he's left school And he tells her how he loves her In every song he sings But as the batter bubbles Oh he never says a thing. But every week a fiver Into a drawer he drops Every week for eight long years now And its off to the jeweller's shop Give me that ring there in the window On the purple velvet stand With diamonds and with sapphires The one that costs two grand. It was one in a million One in a million That ring was One in a million After closing time that evening He walks her down beside the quay Oh and as the sun was sinking He says Peggy marry me And he pulls it from his pocket He says I bought this ring for you She says Billy this is sudden Oh I never had a clue. She said Billy I hardly know you So stop before you start never fools around with plastic In matters of the heart. You tried to win me with this thing here You probably won in some arcade She tore it from his fingers. And flung it in the waves. It was one in a million One in a million His love for her was One in a million Billy turned away then She took him by the arm She said Billy love I'm sorry I never meant no harm Oh you're kindly and you're comforting And I love it when you sing But in all the years I've known you You never said a thing But I've got a dream thats solid gold None of your gilded tin Five pounds a week on the lottery One day soon I'll win Oh and I'll be shot of this old town And greasy fish and chips She kissed him once and walked away His tears were on her lips Dream on Peggy Bateman Dream on Peggy Sue Of sunsets and of sportscars As you smile along the queue Dream days to months and months to years In reveries of love But never for here dreaming Did her numbers once come up So as she was cleaning fish one day With a slit from tail to jaw Something slivered through her fingers And fell onto the floor She took it over to the sink then And she washed the shining thing Bright diamonds and bright sapphires Set in a golden ring It was one in a million One in a million The chances were One in a million. Oh Billy love your rings come back And underneath this light I can see its made of purest gold The stones are shining bright Oh and Billy stood beside her With a smile like the sun. He put it on her finger He said Peggy Sue you've won. Sell the ring and taste the freedom You've dreamt of all these years He kissed her then and as they kissed They could taste each others tears Billy go backto your frying And sing me love is blue Your kindly and your comforting I'd rather stay with you It was one in a million One in a million When the chips were down It was one in a million.<<<<<< I win the prize for remembering that song! Teeheee!! :0) |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Ruth Archer Date: 17 Jan 10 - 03:33 PM Actually, the lyrics are not by Chris Wood. They're by Hugh Lupton. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 17 Jan 10 - 03:47 PM And where did I say the lyrics were by Chris? Stop being snotty nosed and snivelling into your chip wrapper, just because you never thought to mention the song. As I said...I won, I won, I won... Teeheeeheeeeee... And now, back to point scoring... |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Ruth Archer Date: 17 Jan 10 - 03:54 PM Well, you pasted the lyrics and wrote "One on a Million - Chris Wood". You also wrote "Chris Wood's award-winning song". The award was won by them both. I noted that the words are actually Hugh's merely for clarification. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 17 Jan 10 - 04:04 PM Why Canadians (and English?) put vinegar on fried potatoes is beyond me. The smell of vinegar is detestable, and destroys the delicate flavor of the potato. Salt, and perhaps a little gravy, are by far the best additions. |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: gnu Date: 17 Jan 10 - 04:28 PM Ches's Fish and Chips in St' John's, Newfoundalnd. And, if you ever land in Port-aux-Basques, NF... take a right and head for Margaree. But call first to see if the restaurant is open and at what time. I used to go there in the early 90s for the seafood platter. $8.95 and you couldn't finish it... salmon, halibut, cod fish cake, shrimp, scallop... and real veggies... unreal. Now, I loikes yer fish and chips, but a feed a cod tongues and cheeks with mashed spuds and turnips and peas puddin got that there beat all ta hell eh? |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 17 Jan 10 - 05:48 PM Chris Wood is singing the song....I didn't put *written by*. And he did win an award for it....and he sang it. (raises eyes to heaven smiley as the word 'Sourpuss' forms on her lips...) Vinegar, anyone? |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 17 Jan 10 - 06:31 PM I really love REAL 'potato scallops' (Oz) - they have a fraction of the fat of the now ubiquitous 'Yank Hash Brown', but they seem to be a dying tradition here. What IS available when on the menu, is mostly some sort of 'mass manufactured' thingie with negligible batter - unlike the thick crunchy batter covered real slabs of massive potatoes of my youth... :-( I can remember when they would always be in the 'take away hot box' for less than 40 cents, now they are nearly $1.00 each... |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 17 Jan 10 - 06:35 PM Btw, I used to prefer mullet, but you can't get that now - the really heavy dark meat oily fish - funny now that they have discovered that that oil is full of Omega Stuff.... :-) |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Don Firth Date: 17 Jan 10 - 07:28 PM Engish-born Frank and Jack Alger opened the first fish & chips shop in Seattle in 1934—called "The Spud"—on Alki Way in West Seattle. Some time later, they opened another near the shores of Green Lake in north Seattle, then a third at Juanita Beach at the north end of Lake Washington. Cod or halibut (your choice), breaded and deep-fried, with slab-cut potatoes. Condiments on the counter, such as ketchup and/or garlic vinegar. Take out or eat on the premises. I lived near the one on East Green Lake Way and grew up on fish & chips from The Spud. Yum yum!! I understand that in recent years, one or more of the Spuds have been taken over by the chain started by self-styled seafood tycoon, Ivar Haglund (also "flounder" of "Ivar's Acres of Clams" and several other seafood restaurants,, and the beginnings of a chain of seafood drive-ins in the area). I've been told that the Spuds "ain't quite what they usta be." Pity. I could demolish a mess of fish & chips right now!!! (Drool drool!) There was also a chain of "H. Salt, Esquire Fish & Chips" shops in this area, but I haven't seen one around for a few years now. There used to be one a few blocks from where I now live that I patronized quite often. It was very good also. But it's been replaced by a Taco Bell. That's not going to take care of my present hunger. In addition to hamburgers, McDonald's also throws fish & chips out the window at passing cars. I tried them once and what can I say but "PTUI!!!" In a local monastery, two of the brothers decided to open a fish & chip shop in an effort both to serve the community and to raise a bit of money for the monastery. One day, one of the brothers was tending the counter when up stepped a fellow who fancied himself a bit of a comedian. "Tell me," said the would-be comic, "are you the fish friar?" "No," replied the brother, "I'm the chip monk." Don Firth |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Herga Kitty Date: 17 Jan 10 - 07:39 PM Lizzie - it was Hugh Lupton's story. Give credit where credit's due? Kitty |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: mousethief Date: 17 Jan 10 - 08:16 PM Don, my mom grew up in West Seattle and swears by Spud's. It would be a pity if it were taken over by Ivar's. Although Ivar's is way better than Skipper's. Especially since I've never been to a Spud's (although I have driven past the one on Greenlake multiple times). I remember H. Salt -- it was very good. So naturally it went out of business. O..O =o= |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: Don Firth Date: 17 Jan 10 - 10:22 PM I've been googling around and checking web sites, and I note that the one for the Juanita Beach Spud says that it's family owned by the original owners. I've been trying to find out if what I was told, that Ivar had taken them over, was true, but so far, I've come up with nothing. My father was an absolute whiz when it came to cooking fish. He learned it from his grandfather, who came over from Scotland with the Hudson's Bay Company and settled on San Juan Island, and from Native Americans around the islands. When Dad oven-broiled a salmon steak, it came out pure ambrosia—food for the Gods—salmon heaven! He said the temperature had to be exactly right, and there was a point of about twelve seconds' duration when it was perfect. Any less and it was two moist and any more and it began slowly turning to sawdust. Unfortunately, I never learned the art from him. Dad wasn't too enchanted with Ivar's Acres of Clams. Ivar really ballyhooed his clam chowder. But where Ivar goofed with it was that he apparently didn't allow the clams enough time to clean themselves. When dug up, they're still alive, and if you put them in a bucket of fresh water and let them sit for a couple of hours, they expel all the sand they contain. Dad used to say that each bowl of Ivar's clam chower contain a tablespoonful of authentic Pacific Northwest beach. I've never tried Ivar's fish & chips. What the heck! I'm game. Spud's fish & chips may have been a heart attack on a paper plate, because the fish was dipped in batter and everything was deep-fried, but one would at least go out smiling. . . . Don Firth |
Subject: RE: BS: Fish & Chips - 150 years old today From: mousethief Date: 17 Jan 10 - 10:29 PM Yes Ivar's chowder is putrid, and would be even without the sand. Skipper's is sheer boredom -- the only thing that separates it from Campbell's Cream of Potato is that it's gooier. The only good chowder I've found in the region is at Wally's Fish House in Des Moines. O..O =o= |