BS: DC sky today

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: folk1e
Date: 24 Mar 07 - 09:52 PM

Go on then I'll try again......
If the "chemtrails" reflect heat (infra red I assume) do they not reflect it BOTH WAYS? All of the heat we are buisy generating on the ground would be reflected back down from the trail!
Or am I missing something here ......... I realy do hope so 'cause I would love it to be true! Honest!

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: jeffp
Date: 22 Mar 07 - 06:59 AM

Just ten years ago, I saw a modern skywriter while I was out fishing. Instead of a steady stream of smoke, it laid out a line of puffs at a time, sort of like a dot matrix printer. More efficient, perhaps, but less aerobatic and entertaining. It was advertising Con Air. The movie, not the hair products company.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 11:58 PM

It wasn't just in your town or in the south that skywriters wrote Drink Pepsi Cola on the wild blue yonder. Growing up in Oregon in the 40s we watched them too.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 09:24 PM

That's probably the most sensible thing on the entire thread, skipy.

Donuel has a position, on this, and nothing we say will change it. We all know this really, but yet we still try....

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: skipy
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 07:18 PM

I think that our females should be protected with ally foil bras, I am prepared to offer a free fitting service, no charge, no charge for 24 hour call out or milage.
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 06:37 PM

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 06:36 PM

And...?


And fuck off oh nameless one.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 06:37 PM

"I'm sorry, but the above posts implie that we should believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy."

Then you post something substantial to the contrary. Tell us all about the HAARP Project. Love to hear it from you. And post under your member name, not some Guest logo.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 06:36 PM

And...?

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 06:32 PM

Brilliant man who "perceived global warming as a growing, man-made danger". FYI.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: GUEST,Ed.
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 06:24 PM

I'm sorry, but the above posts implie that we should believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.

Do any of you have an understanding of science?

May I suggest using Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: tarheel
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 04:04 PM

well dang,when i was a kid those two winged jobs(called bi-planes) were the best sky writers in the world!
one of the great things they would do,is write the word PEPSI COLA, in the sky!
us kids would lie on our backs on the banks of our back yard and watch these sky writers do their stuff!
it was so neat,too!
since Winston-Salem,N.C., was the home of PEPSI COLA,the compoany would pay these air devils to write PEPSI COLA in the sky,over the town!
the sky wass always so blue(unless it was raining or coming up a cloud or storm)and to wath the sky writers, was the part of being a kid and growing up in this great portion of the SOUTH!
yes,the sky was so blue, then.....
Tar...

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Bee
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 07:15 AM

I had a fascination for jet trails when I was a kid, late fifties early sixties, because we saw very few jets going over. Donuel, you say: "con trails dissipate in seconds or minutes.", but that isn't true, they can linger for hours, depending on atmospheric conditions - I remember the effect from childhood, of the slowly spreading stripe on a clear blue sky, long after the plane was gone. Even if what you say is really occurring, I seriously doubt single Canadian jets over Cape Breton were performing these experiments in that era.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 07 - 06:05 AM

con trails dissipate in seconds or minutes.

chem trails do not dissipate - just just keep growing wider.

I also taped the sky here on 9-12-2001 when the chem trails were sprayed at low altitude which effectively made a smoke screen which limited visibility for any planes

but there were no commercial flights that day since all flights were canceled.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 07:14 PM

[PDF] RTK HSFS 2891

Google that for aluminum oxide.

A Rense article that you won't believe. But the air traffic controllers seem to have had concerns.

Anyway, have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 06:50 PM

Stream of consciousness: this thread made me think of my uncle, who worked to develop cloud seeding with Bernie Vonnegut and a couple of others, and I remembered I had a picture of Bernie (taken by said uncle) as a young man with his son and Googled him. Sent a query to a guy who had a memorial page for him. Found another interesting page on Cloud Physicist/Meteorologist Robert M. Cunningham, in which he writes,

I also recall a meeting in Washington on what the federal government should be doing in the weather modification field (also in the 60's?). This was an informal meeting of about 6 people including science administrators and scientists, principally from the defense science branches and the National Science Foundation. I was surprised when Dr Edward Teller walked into the room. He was invited just because he was interested in weather modification; perhaps he was looking for an area that could explode with world interest as had his previous project. I was, however, disappointed with what he said; he followed Langmuir's belief that simply burning a torch with a silver iodide solution in the fuel could change the whole world's weather. He had no appreciation of the vastly different scale over which weather systems occur.

So Teller vastly overestimated the effect a small-scale activity could have on the environment. It seems to me this thread does the same. Even if those planes were engaged in spraying stuff and weren't just going about their mundane business, it's one geographically small city on a globe full of mostly empty sky.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 06:44 PM

I do not know who Guest Ed is. I know that Ed is a member. I can't really be arsed to do other people's homework for them.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 06:43 PM

Sure. The EPA has set the limit at 2 ppm for barium. A read of this site --presumably done by people who have the qualification you seem to want--will answer the question about barium. There are articles about amounts more than 2 ppm being sprayed, and if you google that, I expect you'll be of the opinion that the newspapers are in on it, too. Amounts four times greater than 2 ppm having been measured.

The aluminum oxide will have to await another post. However, the whole tone of your posts indicates taht you don't rally give a shit about facts, because you're mind is made up already.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 06:39 PM

Ed has over 800 posts....

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Ed.
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 06:25 PM

Peace,

Perhaps you will care to reply now?

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 06:09 PM

I don't recognize you. Until you post as a member, I have no info for you. Bye.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 06:07 PM

Oh dear, Donuel.

Thomas the Rhymer's suggestion that you go out and buy a tin foil hat is a good one. I'd really suggest reading this first mind.

Peace,

Both barium and aluminum oxide in high quantities are detrimental to human health. If the reports are correct, the amounts that were/are being sprayed are too high.

Are you a biochemist? Kindly define (with academic references) what quantaties are being sprayed and what is considered to be reasonable levels and why.

Reasonable enough question, I think.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 04:28 PM

pic 8 is how you get the contrails. Wind scatters 'em, of course...

I live here too...I feel ok. *shrug* In Wichita, I lived with Boeing contrails for 30 years...

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 04:17 PM

Hmmmm. I guess I haven't read any actual reports.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 03:48 PM

The objection is basic. Both barium and aluminum oxide in high quantities are detrimental to human health. If the reports are correct, the amounts that were/are being sprayed are too high.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 03:35 PM

And so, if you think it's a governmental effort to delay/reduce/negate the effects of climate change, why do you object?

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 03:26 PM

I believe it was started exactly as Edward Teller proposed 15 years ago.

The other 3 speculations regarding communication enhancment, weather experimentation and innoculations are pretty far out.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 02:24 PM

OK, Donuel, I'll bite. What do you believe is the reason for this sowing?

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 02:18 PM

If your question is asked in reverse it makes sense to me.

wind effects content.

Heavy Barium salts start to fall with the wind in a clump like fashion while at the same time it stimulates the formation of additional water vapor clouds. The jagged edge soon spreads out over a vast area rendering that area of the sky a milky blue instead of a clear sky.

8AM on clear windless mornings are the ideal times for spraying.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: jeffp
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 01:38 PM

How would content affect wind action?

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 11:56 AM

pic 006 is a normal contrail

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 11:34 AM

please delete this thread

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 11:30 AM

http://control-alt-delete.ca/images/chemtrails/


pic 007 is classic of the tooth comb structure I spoke of.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Mar 07 - 11:11 AM

If the trails are to reduce warming, but they don't want us to know, why not do it over the oceans instead of over DC?
And if they are medication, but they don't want us to know, why not do it when it is cloudy, or at night?

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 10:16 PM

This picture shows conclusively how the contrails grow more prevalent as you get nearer to the Bermuda triangle... so put on that ol' tin foil hat and draw your own (obvious) conclusions about all those shipwrecks...;^)
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: jeffp
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 06:44 PM

It ain't my stuff. It's yours. The Government puts "In God We Trust" on the coins. I guess that's definitive. God exists.

Bye.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 06:33 PM

BTW, the vote was 422-0 (in favor) with 11 abstentions. From now on, find your own stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 06:31 PM

And as I said, I owe you zip. I do not care what you believe. Not yesterday, not today and not tomorrow.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: jeffp
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 06:24 PM

By the way, you make a claim, you ought to be willing to back it up with some evidence. So, back atcha!

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: jeffp
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 06:22 PM

And those trails are composed of...?

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 06:14 PM

Just a normal day.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 06:10 PM

Look for yourself. I can't be arsed. Your attitude pisses me off. I owe you nothing. You want info, go find it. The fuckin' bill was amended. Go serach for it yourself. I ain't your maid. Neither do I take shit from you. Fuck ya!

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: jeffp
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 06:07 PM

Dennis Kucinich isn't "The Government." He is, or was, one Congressman. He is also a bit of a loose cannon. How many sponsors did that bill get? Did it ever come up for a vote? If so, how many votes did it get?

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 06:06 PM

Gospel of Bob: It was a normal day . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 06:01 PM

Edward Teller was suggesting that aluminum oxide sprayed in the atmosphere could block sufficient sunlight so as to lower temperatures by a few degrees to aid the 'fight' against global warming. The drawback was ozone depletion.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: folk1e
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 05:58 PM

"SO far the chemtrail spray program has lowered heat levels temporarily by 10 %."
O.K.
Basic maths here.... if the "chemtrail" reflected 100% of the heat to get a 10% Reduction in heating effect (from solar radiation) the trails would have to cover 10% of the globe! Point 1
If the "chemtrail" was completely reflective to IR it would bounce the heat back down and thus cause the heat to be reabsorbed into the atmosphere instead of being reflected into space! Point 2
If souch a reflective material were available it would be painted on the airforce jets to aid camoflage. It isn't so "they" probably do not have it yet. Point3
Need I continue? I like the idea of conspiracy theory though .... self fulfilling prophercy!

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 05:54 PM

"CONGRESSIONAL BILL CALLS FOR CHEMTRAILS BAN

HR2977 is creating a 'buzz in the Air Traffic Control community. Introduced last October by Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, this bill called for the peaceful uses of space, and a ban on 'exotic weapons' . Section 7 of the 'Space Preservation Act of 2001' sought specifically to prohibit 'chemtrails' .

Kucinich recently told the Columbus Alive newspaper (Jan. 24, 2002) that despite official denials, as head of the Armed Services oversight committee he is well acquainted with chemtrail projects. "The truth is there's an entire program in the Department of Defense - 'Vision for 2020' - that's developing these weapons, Kucinich told reporter Bob Fitrakis. The U.S. Space Command's 2020 vision calls for 'dominance of space, land, sea and air'.

Though "section vii" naming chemtrails, HAARP and other planet-threatening weapons has since been removed in a substitute bill - under pressure according to Kucinich - the original bill remains intact and on-file in the congressional record."

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 05:42 PM

Don't be so supercilious. Because it doesn't compute to you does not mean it doesn't compute to someone, and it obviously did to government. Read HR 2977. Who the fuck said anything evil was in the chemtrails? Piss off with your attitude.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: jeffp
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 05:37 PM

And how does a single test performed 10 years ago indicate that the government is putting evil chemicals into our air today? Where everybody, including the government, will be exposed to them? Sorry, it does not compute. Besides, if you follow the link I gave, it refers to the chemtrail claims and mentions the test. Old news. You will see that contrail behavior is not consistent, but depends on upper atmosphere wind patterns. There are a lot of them around Washington, because there is a lot of air traffic here. Jeez. Sleep with a nightlight.

By the way, contrails are composed of ice crystals, which do not evaporate.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 04:52 PM

First, ya have to put stuff in the sky. Then, ya go test patent number 5041834. HAARP did the test in the mid 1990s. Of course, none of this stuff exists.

Subject: RE: BS: DC sky today
From: Peace
Date: 19 Mar 07 - 04:46 PM

"The program is written in the sky today but I suppose I am the sole mudcatter who sees it. "

Nope. You aren't. The subject was brought up by one of your congressmen. See

Space Preservation Act of 2001 (Introduced in the House)

HR 2977 IH


107th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 2977


The bill uses the term Chemtrail. For something that don't exist (or is conspiracy theory), someone sure as hell thought it was worthy of mention.