BS: Why is it that...

Subject: BS: Why is it that...
From: saulgoldie
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 02:49 PM

...most residents of the US have potable, clean water that comes out of the tap for pennies per gallon, but they spend millions annually on water that comes in bottles that then fill up over-taxed landfills? Why is it? I am stumped.

Feel free to address this "Why is it?" and add your own vexxing wonderment about some ridiculous thing that lots of people do.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: bobad
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 02:51 PM

"Why is it? "

One word - MARKETING

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 02:53 PM

The plastic bottles I use go into recycling, not the landfill. I don't trust our municipal water and, as water is the only beverage I drink, I don't think of it as an indulgence. I can also taste the difference, a big difference.

Of more importance, to me, is why people use that same drinking water on their lawns, esp. in drought areas and when there are systems available to recycle dish and bath water to water their yards.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 03:05 PM

I don't think the bottled water tastes as good as tap water.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 03:17 PM

Fearmongering by those selling bottled water.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Amos
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 03:18 PM

People have different defintiions of potable, based either on engineering, science, myth, marketing, or fog and uncertainty.

I am sure you knew this.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 03:23 PM

Let me explain a bit further:

I once bought a bottle of "spring" water. Reading the bottle I found that it was "bottled at the spring" in Liberty, Illinois.

Now, Liberty is just about 10 miles or so east of my home town. I have relatives who live there. Because I had never heard of a spring there I asked one of my cousins, who just happened to be a town councilman. He finally figured out that it must be "the new plant in town, the one with the big water bill."

Other bottled water, such as Dasani, is simply ozonated water taken from municipal water supplies, i.e., it's treated tap water. And once in Canada I had the dubious pleasure of reading the label contents of Perrier -- did you know that it contains traces of arsenic?

Bottled water is convenient, but we refill the bottles with water from out tap. Granted, it goes through a faucet-mount filter, but that's mostly to removed chlorine taste. I also drink it straight out of the bottle, so to speak.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 03:24 PM

... people get in their cars and drive to a health club so they can walk on a treadmill ... and even grumble if they can't get a convenient parking spot.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 03:34 PM

Bottled water, as noted above, is convenient at outdoor events and in traveling, but I have never, ever had water from it that tastes as good as the fresh, clean, running water from my own tap. Water in the bottle seems stagnant and dead to me.

There is sediment in Juneau's water so some people here attach filters to the faucets, not just to remove chlorine as Rap suggests, but to remove the minerals. Our water is lightly chlorinated but no longer fluoridated; I don't know if the filters would remove those.

My point is that even the most expensive filters are much cheaper in the course of a year than is the routine use of bottled water.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: kendall
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 03:34 PM

Have you noticed that the brand of bottled water called EVIAN when read backwards spells naive' ?

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Scoville
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 03:43 PM

The water in some parts of the U.S. tastes like absolute crap. The stuff where I live smells terribly of chlorine and comes out of the tap white and foggy with little "floaties" in it. It ruins the taste of juice, coffee, and tea. It's sort of like drinking a glass of water with a quarter cup of milk stirred in. Not very appetizing and definitely not thirst-quenching.

The water in the town where I went to college tasted better but was LOADED with sodium. We did a chemistry experiment on it in lab and had to dilute it 1:100 before the machine could even register the sodium levels (at which point they were still almost maxed out). The water we brought from Aurora, Colorado, on the other hand, had nothing in it but water. Colorado is known for good-tasting water.

I don't buy the small bottles of water but I do buy from the filter machines at 30 cents/gallon. I don't know how different that stuff is chemically but it tastes a Hell of a lot better than what comes out of the tap.

I'm not actually dumb enough to believe that 'spring water' really comes from a spring, though, and, as my mother pointed out once, "It may be from the Alps, but a lot of goats pee in the Alps every year . . . "

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: saulgoldie
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 04:07 PM

I am aware that not everyone has good water from the tap. That is why I used the qualifier "most." Additionally, some water is no doubt deteriorating due to the inactions of George Bush's EPA. In the cases where the water is not up to standards, the public officials should be held accountable. However, it is still the case that most people have useable, inoffensive water and do not need it from bottles.

I agree that it is marketting. And the fact that that marketting is so successful and that more people use bottled water takes some of the load of responsibility off public officials to make sure the water supply is good.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 04:24 PM

Some parts of Colorado have terrible tasting water, esp. the ones in the alkali flats, like we are, and valleys away from the mountains. There's a reason Coors tastes like horse piss.:-)

The best water I've ever had was in Casper, WY from Hillcrest Water. They got it from a privately owned spring on the mountain.

The brand I drink now is from a "green" company with strong commitments to the environment and their real spring sources. And, I AM dumb enough to believe them when they say their water comes from mountain springs.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 04:47 PM

I drink bottled water purely for medicinal reasons. I prefer it flavored with hops and barley malt.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Charmion
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 04:53 PM

Jim Dixon wrote:

[Why do] people get in their cars and drive to a health club so they can walk on a treadmill ... and even grumble if they can't get a convenient parking spot[?]

Perhaps because it's the dead of an Ottawa winter, the still air temperature is struggling to climb above minus 25 and there ain't no still air outside -- there's a wind fit to rip your face off, bringing the "feels like" temperature down to minus 40.

But I don't complain about the inconvenience of my parking spot when I finally find it. I'm too busy complaining about the weather.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 05:42 PM

"The water we brought from Aurora, Colorado, on the other hand, had nothing in it but water" Scoville

Nitpicking here just a bit- I don't think that is actually possible, Scoville. That would have to mean that the water was sterile, which is another kettle of fish entirely.

I was born in North Dakota (my family left there when I was just a baby) and the water there is/was extremely alkaline. The story goes in my family that my visiting cousin complained about Oregon water that "it doesn't stink right.)

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 05:45 PM

People who will pay $50 to go see a big-name performer will not throw a quarter to a busker who is just as good ... (me) ...

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 06:01 PM

Why does my bottled water advertise that it's been millions of years getting through some volcano, but has a 'best before' date on it?

And why do people crank up air conditioning instead of just opening a window in their cars?

Why is it that my anti inflamatory medicine will cause both sleeplessness and drowsiness, constipation and diahorrea?!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: catspaw49
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 08:47 PM

Nexium, the high potency purple pill for serious stomach/esophageal problems that zaps strong acids and the like? Ya' know the stuff? Expensive as hell? Yeah, that's it.........Its list od side effects include nausea, stomach pain, cramps, and vomiting. I'm so glad I take the stuff!!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: kendall
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 08:52 PM

Did you ever see someone order a Big Mac or a Whopper and a diet coke?

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Alice
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 08:59 PM

... or put fake sweetner in coffee while they eat a slice of pie.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Rapparee
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 09:02 PM

The water here is pumped from the ground, run through a sand filter, chlorinated, and sent off to the users. The sand filter is regenerated daily and is used only to remove any sediment. The chlorination is as little as possible.

Of course, the water is so hard that you get stuck swimming in it.... So we have a water softener, which adds some sodium. I could add a reverse osmosis filter but can't be bothered. (The previous owners had one -- they cut the lines and took it with them when they moved!)

But here's one: Why is it that people yell at the checkout clerks about store policies, prices, and other matters dealt with way, way above the clerk's pay level?

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: frogprince
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 09:07 PM

Kendall, Alice; think about it again for a second. The whopper, or the piece of pie, may in fact have more calories than the person needs. But, add a regular coke, and that's a couple of hundred more calories; maybe more, with the standard size drink with a combo at Taco Bell. : )

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 09:15 PM

...things can seem better than they actually are.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Gurney
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 03:25 AM

I used to work for a firm that bottled and sold sterilised water. We startd with tap water, which had never been questioned to my knowledge, ran it through the best filter available, a great big thing like a tank, and filled new containers.
It tested sterile for the first day, but after a week, things were growing in it, particularly if it had been in the sunlight.
The firm persisted for seven batches (weekly filter changes) and then gave the product up. They decided that removal of the chlorine allowed contamination. The intake of the filter was sterile when due for renewal, but the outlet tested contaminated after a night with no water flow.
If you let water stand for a few hours, the chlorine dissipates, as it is a gas.
I run my domestic filter (town supply) for a minute before I use the water.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 03:43 AM

Kendall - that has always bugged me too... like, why does Manitas buy low fat spread and then eat bacon and sausage sandwiches for breakfast?!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 04:28 AM

So many (non-vegetarian) Brits are squeamish about eating anything "with a face", yet they will happily scoff all sorts of sausages, fishfingers and other processed meat or fish with god-knows-what's-in-it?

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: skipy
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 04:48 AM

I don't drink water unless it has been through a brewery!
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: saulgoldie
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:13 AM

Frog, I never thought of that. Sure, why add ANOTHER couple hundred calories? If you MUST eat that crap, at least you can do less damage. And the same for the coffee. A few calories here, a few there, and you MAY even hold your weight instead of gaining more.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:50 AM

Why is it that artritis medicine, Celebrex, comes in an impossible to open/child proof container?

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:41 AM

This is a serious one:
Why is it that in the 60s, 70s and even early 80's it was all about "losing control" (as evidenced by many song lyrics), while in the 2000's it's about "gaining control" (as evidenced both by song lyrics and advertising slogans)?

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Scoville
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 10:31 AM

So many (non-vegetarian) Brits are squeamish about eating anything "with a face", yet they will happily scoff all sorts of sausages, fishfingers and other processed meat or fish with god-knows-what's-in-it?

Conversely, why so many vegetarians and vegans will eat an incredible assortment of highly-processed soy-protein products laden with salt and unpronounceable man-made compounds?

Look, if you have voluntarily given up cheese, you have given up cheese. Franken-tofu is just as bad for you and is as manufactured as most of the things you're trying to avoid.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: GUEST,Seiri Omaar
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 10:50 AM

Charmion: We could go about very long conversations of how COLD Ottawa winter weather is.
Watch us want it back come July. *sigh*

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: mack/misophist
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 11:52 AM

San Pelegrino water is worth drinking for the taste. Over priced, though. And chlorine can also be removed by aerating it a little.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: kendall
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 08:07 AM

frogprince, my thought is, if you have a weight problem stay away from BOTH! I like big greasy hamburgers, but I don't like the side effects. Triglycerides and calories can be life threatening. For the past 40-50 years my weight has hovered right around 14 stone and I keep it there by avoiding the crap that makes me gain weight.
Once you make up your mind to avoid junk food, you would be surprised how easy it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 08:14 AM

kendall,

14 stone? I know what you meant to say, but FYI:

"Stone is an English name of Chinese weight unit shek (쳌Î) in Cantonese language. One stone equals to 120 catty.

In Hong Kong, one stone equals to 72.5747784 kilogramme, and in ordinance 22 of 1884, it is equivalent to 160 lb. avoir.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_%28Chinese_weight%29""

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:03 AM

Kendall, if you weigh 2,240 pounds I wouldn't worry about just one hamburger....

As a point of reference, a 12 ounce can of regular, classic, Coca Cola has 160 calories. It's on the label, at least in the US. Fountain drinks can vary because the syrup dispenser make be out of whack, but you can pretty much figure the same. Ice, of course, will dilute the drink and hence the more ice the fewer calories -- ice also displaces drink. It's quite possible that a 16 ounce drink with a lot of ice contains less than 8 ounces of soda.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Scoville
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:34 AM

I've decided that soda is a dessert. I don't drink a lot of it any more but when I do, I get a 20-ounce bottle and drink it in four or five servings. I can't even drink a 2-liter any more; it goes flat before I get a third of the way down.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: gnu
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 12:55 PM

The bottled water business here in Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada went sky high about ten years or so ago. We had a boil order for weeks and weeks. Low water in the reservior and high temperatures? Yes. But, when they found the three dead hogs tied to a tree and weighted down in shallow water, welllll, it was a bit suspicious.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: kendall
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 07:40 PM

Do I have to wait for a Brit to explain? I am not in Hong Kong or China.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: frogprince
Date: 06 Apr 07 - 07:49 PM

"my thought is, if you have a weight problem stay away from BOTH"
...and my thought isn't to disagree with that at all; I have been getting away with a little too much junk food over the years, but my chloresteral is up a little now, so I really need to take heed.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 07 Apr 07 - 09:42 AM

Here's a Brit to your rescue, kendall. This should make it all abundantly clear.......

The avoirdupois pound is the pound in general use today. As its name implies, it was intended to be used for weighing heavy goods. This pound is of 7000 grains, and is split into 16 ounces (each, therefore of 437.5 grains). Each ounce is divided into 16 drams (which my calculator makes of 27.34375 grains each.



avoirdupois weights
16 drams = 1 ounce
16 ounces = 1 pound
7 pounds = 1 clove
14 pounds = 1 stone
28 pounds = 1 tod
112 pounds = 1 hundredweight
364 pounds = 1 sack
2240 pounds = 1 ton
2 stones = 1 quarter
4 quarters = 1 hundredweight
20 hundredweight = 1 ton


NB: The sack is not in common use. There was a 'Butchers stone' of 8lb until the end of 1939.

The Troy pound was of 5760 grains, and was divided into 12 ounces, so a troy pound is lighter than an avoirdupois pound, but a troy ounce (at 480 grains) weighs more than an avoirdupois ounce. The troy pound was declared illegal in 1878, but the troy ounce continues in use today for weighing gold. The troy ounce is split into 480 grains, and you will see 1/2 ounce weights marked both '240 grains' and '0.5oz'. However, the apothecaries system also has an ounce weighing 480 grains, being divided into 8 drams (sometimes spelled drachms) of 60 grains, each dram being split into 3 scruples, of 20 grains. To make things more fun, a 2 dram weight would be marked '3ij' - I think that '3' means 'scruples' (there being 3 to the dram), and the 'ij' being an old-fashioned way of quoting the Roman numeral 'ii'. It doesn't end there - there are 20 penny-weights to the troy ounce, so the 1/2 ounce weight mentioned above could also be marked as '3iv' or '10dwt'.

Got that? As an easy point of reference, my resonator guitar at the beginning of an evening weighs approx 1 dram, and by chucking-out time appears to have increased to several hundredweight. There is no metric equivalent.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Bert
Date: 30 Oct 07 - 12:52 PM

It is legal to sell fake products (fake leather shoes, artificial flavorings etc..)

BUT it is illegal to pay for them with fake money!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: topical tom
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 11:39 AM

Where I live the town water supply is quite frequently interrupted for hydrant and water mains cleaning.Also, on occasion a water pipe breaks as the system is quite old.Thus, it is convenient to have bottled water on hand. We have a water cooler that takes the large bottles of water.I agree that the tap water is the best regulated and best tested, but under the previously mentioned conditions what are alternatives to bottled water?

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Becca72
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 12:14 PM

I started using bottled water because I don't like the things added to drinking water where I live. I also started given my cats spring water (the big gallon jugs) when I noticed that the tap water was leaving a suspicious odd colored ring on the rim of their water bowl. I changed to spring water and...no more yucky ring. I buy the cheap stuff for them, sure, but for me I buy Poland Springs from right here in Maine. I also find that I am able to drink more water over the course of the day if I drink bottled instead of a glass of tap water. And I do recycle the bottles.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Bert
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 01:26 PM

Bottled water? I installed a filter and change it every month or so.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 01:52 PM

The comedian Jim Gaffigan does a routine where there is this Frenchman 30 years ago saying "These Americans are so stupid I'll bet I can sell them water. In a bottle. Oh yes! I will sell it to them! Ha!
    (I didn't even try to spell in a French accent, so just imagine one.)

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 02:01 PM

I've been outside, doing the fall clean-up. Here's another whyizit.

Whyizit that people install high privacy fences around their yard so that young punks, shielded from view, find it easier to burgarize the place? (and mine.)

She's a nurse, pudgy and about 50. I doubt if she's sunbathing in the nude.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: GUEST,John Gray in Oz
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 08:15 AM

And the marketing gurus in Japan are now giving us bottled "Diet Water".

JG/FME

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 08:55 AM

What about "Instant Water", where you just have to add the water yourself?

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Michael
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 10:38 AM

And why do most bottled waters extoll the virtues of being filtered for aeons through layers of rock etc and then have a use by date of next month?

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 12:11 PM

I can remember Peter Alliss the Golf Commentator observing once, at a competition in the UK where Volvic were sponsors, when a group arrived at a tee and helped themselves to the bottles of water, "Ah yes, didn't used to drink that in my day, you know I read one of the labels on one of those bottles the other day. It says that the water contained in the bottle had been filtered through volcanic rock for 140 million years, I couldn't read the rest of the label as it was obscured by a sticker that said "Best before 6th July 2007". I mean how the hell did they know".

Years ago they did a survey on water tap and bottled in the UK. The best water in terms of content, taste, clarity, purity came out of the taps in Manchester. One enterprising Coach at the local swimming club bought this in bulk and had it bottled for about 3 pence a bottle and sold it at Swim Meets and Galas at 50 pence, even used the Newspaper article as advertising.

As someone else said the bottles tend to be recycled and so they should they are worth a fortune in bulk.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 12:27 PM

It depends on your local situation. We get well water here, but it's very hard....lots of minerals in it...and it doesn't taste very good as a result of that. You have to use water softener in the system or all the plumbing and appliances get clogged after awhile with something that precipitates out of the water.

Accordingly, I drink bottled water when at home, and usually cook with it too.

When I'm on the road I may have a choice...local tap water from, say, a drinking fountain...or bottled water...but drinking fountains are rare, so I usually buy some bottled water. Then too, you can drink from a tap on the road, but you don't know what the local water is like, and it may not be so good. So I buy a bottle of water instead.

If I lived somewhere where I had a regular supply of tap water that seemed to be good, then I'd drink it, I guess. I once lived near Lake Skaneateles in New York State, and the lake water there was very good...I drank it without hesitation in those days. That's not the case with a great many lakes these days.

Just be glad they are not selling bottled air yet! Or bottled sunshine.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 12:44 PM

Just be glad they are not selling bottled air yet!

    Have you put air in your tires (tyres) at the local gas station lately. It costs 75 cents for 2 minutes. I guess, technically, they aren't charging you for the air so much as they are renting you the compressor. But still, 75 cents?

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 12:56 PM

Click on the name and hear LEWIS BLACK tell you all about it!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 01:31 PM

LOL!!!!!! Omigawd. That has got to be the LAST word on bottled water.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 01:55 PM

I remember a few years back when Tipperary won the All Ireland Hurling Final they had the captain up on the stand receiving the trophy - and he said grateful thanks to the team's sponsor, Ballygowan Water (I think it was, some water anyway) - "And we won't be drinking much of that tonight" he added.

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: M.Ted
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 03:43 PM

There are a lot of places where, contrary to what Mr. Goldie avers, the drinking water is not safe.
In our nation's Capital, for instance, high levels of toxic lead have been found in the water. The common sort of filters don't get it out.

Some places, like Philadelphia, don't even have water purification facilities. Water is pumped from the ground, and, because it often has a high bacterial content, lots of
chemicals are added. If the bacteria doesn't give you stomach pains, the chemicals will.

And it has been found that Vinyl Choride and other chemicals can leach from PVC pipe into the drinking water--

In addition to that, most people drink water at work or while "out and about" where drinking water in glasses can be touched, sneezed and coughed in, or just drooled into, by others. And let's not even talk about the bacteria, filth, and sputum that accumulate in    drinking fountains.


Any body want a glass of water?

Subject: RE: BS: Why is it that...
From: GUEST,pattyClink
Date: 01 Nov 07 - 09:33 PM

I buy maybe 2 cases of bottled water a year, for use when traveling, or at the gym. I wash and refill the bottles with tap or bulk-bottled water to drink out of at the office, and then finally use them one last time to keep milk for coffee at the office. They are handy, light, bottles to have around, and if they get grubby they are disposable, unlike a plastic cup, canteen, or thermos which acquires odors.

I also buy a few here and there when I am on the road and need a beverage, and a convenience store has no sodas which aren't full of sugar or caffeine.

M.Ted, I realize many places have compromised groundwater, but in our area the groundwater is very clean and has virtually no bacteria, it is the surface water which is full of crud and has to be processed.   It all depends on where you are and who has tampered with your water.