BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 May 07 - 06:53 PM

"LBJ didn't kill Kennedy nor did Eisenhower. That's just silly."


                  I would agree that it makes sense to finger Eisenhower, but in the case of LBJ, look at all the other thing he did to the country.

                  But getting back to the consortium of crime families, why would the Warren Commission cover for them?

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 May 07 - 07:02 PM

Yes, the strongest evidence that it was not only the Mafia that were involved in killing the Kennedies is simply that the Mafia was in no position to control or affect Kennedy's secret service protection in Dallas (which was severely compromised on that day in a number of very odd ways). They were also in no position to control the Warren Commission or the FBI or the CIA. If the Mafia alone had done the job on its own, those people would have gone after the Mafia. The only way they would NOT have gone after the Mafia is if they were also in on the plot up to their eyeballs. In that case they would have covered it up, because their interests and the Mafia's would have then coincided.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 May 07 - 07:22 PM

All of which tells us that the US government has been under the control of outside interests since 1963.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: M.Ted
Date: 07 May 07 - 08:26 PM

I'll go you one better on this, Frank. I went to high school with Thom Hartmann. Even in those days, he was quite imaginative, and he had a knack for putting things together so that they seemed to make a lot of sense. Haven't seen him for years, but when you mentioned him, I googled him and found his website--nice to know he is the same as ever.

I don't go for the Mafia theory, perhaps because I had a lawyer friend who discussed at every opportunity for many years, and I just got sick of it.

I lean more toward the idea that the Kennedys, MLK, and MalcolmX were killed by the KKK. It was the only secret organization that could have mobilized agents in military, police, FBI, Secret Service,and governmental organizations that to execute and conceal the assassination.

Motive? the Kennedys sent Federal troops into the South to force integration--an act of war to some ways of thinking--

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Bobert
Date: 07 May 07 - 09:15 PM

Well, lets do a little review here of the political assiniations of the 60's... We had...

1. John Kennedy: Supposedly killed by Lee Harvey Osweld with what motivation??? Hmmmmmmm??? None, really....

2. Martin Luther King: Supposedly killed by James Earle Ray with what motivation??? Hmmmmmmm??? None, really....

3. Bobby Kennedy: Supposedly killed by Sirhan Sirhan with what motivation??? Hmmmmmmmmm??? None really....

I mean, let's get real here... The 3 most prominent people who could have made a big difference (and throw in Malcolm X, making 4) were all snuffed out by people who really had no apparent reason to kill these leaders...

Nopw if it was one, or perhaps two, than maybe the story that has been spun would be believable but its 4 people... All killed for standing up to the right wing...

And guess what??? It worked... It stopped a movement... Screw the right wing...

Now I'm not a believer in violence but if all of a sudden Dick Cheney, Condi Rice and George Bush were assainated I believe that that over a period of time ther would be a shift toward the left...

I think this has been with us thru history...

Ho Chi Minh, of was it Mao, said that power comes from the barrel of a gun... The 60's certainly proved this with the right wing somwehow finacing the assasination of the Malcolm X. JFK, RFK and Dr. King...

BObert

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 May 07 - 09:44 PM

Yes, you can knock the heart out of any great social movement by killing its most inspirational leaders. That's because most people are, by nature, not leaders, and a few effective leaders are desperately needed to keep any social movement on course.

The USA has not really been a free nation, in my opinion, since November 1963. It's been a nation under a shadowy dictatorship that only goes through the outward motions of what is termed "democracy". The outward motions are necessary in order to maintain a state of normality and unawareness on the part of most people as to what has happened. A compliant, subservient, corporate-controlled media is necessary. A lot of vapid entertainment and mindless consumerism and sensational but meaningless "news" reporting is necessary. Manufactured enemies (foreign or domestic) are necessary. Otherwise people might realize what's been done to them in their own home, what's been taken away, and then there'd be another American revolution. It would be a revolution against the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, the multinational corporations that fund them both, the Federal and State governments, the courts and prisons, the police, the FBI, the CIA, the major news media, and the military.

Such a revolution is extremely unlikely...unless the whole American society were first utterly devastated by a complete financial collapse or the catastrophic loss of a very large war (a world war).

Only those eventualities would shock the American people out of their stupor and wake them up to confront "the man behind the curtain".

I do not expect to live to see it happen...nor would I want to be there if it did, because it would be an absolutely terrible time to live in. And like the Russian or Chinese revolutions, there would be no guarantee as to what would follow in its wake.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: GUEST,ur48rr
Date: 07 May 07 - 09:48 PM

Alright! Bruce Willis is starting to speak out. In the next edition of Vanity Fair he reportedly says they never caught the guy who killed Kennedy, and his killers are still in power. Below is a picture of one of the killers, at the Depository on the day:

http://www.stewwebb.com/BushJfkBookDepo.jpg

The Mafia had reasons to kill JFK, but the shadow govt had stronger reasons. The shadow govt is now in business with the Mafia. Witness Guliani's prominence. He's a mobster, and they're trying to elevate him to the presidency.

All such events carried out by the shadow govt have lots of dead ends, in case anyone gets too inquisitive.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 May 07 - 09:01 AM

To propose the Mafia is soley responsible doesn't seem believable to me. I can believe that a group of high placed conspirators made to deal with the Mafie to pull it off. That way, if anybody other than the designated fall-guy was fingered for the deed, the consirators could point its collective finger at the Mafia, and the public would probably believe them.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 May 07 - 07:52 PM

Precisely. One hand washes the other. They're "thick as thieves" and they work together. The Mafia does not have sufficient reach to have pulled off all the incredible stuff that happened to do that assassination job in Dallas and to cover it up afterwards.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Stringsinger
Date: 09 May 07 - 01:23 PM

Then why did Jack Ruby kill Oswald? Answer: he was working for Carlos Marcello. The mafia is not just one mafia but a number of them working together for a common goal.
The mafias had a motive and if you don't think they are powerful enough to have done it, then you don't know much about them.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 May 07 - 01:27 PM

"The mafias had a motive and if you don't think they are powerful enough to have done it, then you don't know much about them."


            I don't think there's an argument that they didn't have a motive, and maybe they're powerful and well connected enought to pull it off. But that still leaves the ongoing question: why would the Warren Commission cover for them?

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 May 07 - 01:39 PM

I don't think for a moment that they aren't powerful enough to have done the hit. I think they aren't powerful enough to control a whole bunch of other closely related stuff both during and after the operation. That is, stuff relating to the FBI, the CIA, and the Warren Commission. I think the Mafia was part of the operation all right, but that they were not acting alone.

The Mafia has often acted in concert with the CIA on various operations.