Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,GUEST, Lockheart
Date: 24 Jun 08 - 12:36 AM

Someone was talking about a hebrew verse, and while I don't speak hebrew, I know what they're talking about. The tune is different, but maybe someone else could find that. The words basicaly sound like:

Ha shalom lay mahn ha ahmein
Ha ahmein lay mahn ha shalom

Sorry to anyone if I butchered that, I know that translated, these words can be sung to the same melody as above:

Peace shall be for all the world
All the world shall be for peace

This definetly works with all the rounds you guys have been talking about

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Katherine
Date: 04 Jul 08 - 08:12 AM

I heard a version that I was told had something to do with Tudor propagander, about the untiting of the houses of York and Lancaster.

Rose, rose, rose, red
shall I ever see thee wed?
I shall marry at thy will sire
at thy will

Red rose, White rose
Now unite on Englands throne
We shall have no treason, none sire
Grow rose, grow

It is something like that anyway, and then there are many verses after that I dont know.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 09 - 01:46 PM

I learned a variant of these round at summer camp this year though I'm no longer sure of the order it was something like this, (the second being molodic repitition of Zoom gally gally to the tune of rose.

1)         Rose Rose Rose Red
        Shall I ever see the wed
        I will marry at my will sire,
        At my will

2)        Zum gally gally

3)        Hey Ho, Nobody's home
        No meat, no drink
        No money, have I none
        but still I will be very merry

4)        A poor bird
        Why art thou
        Sing in the shadows
        At this dark hour

5)         The wind in the willows
        Sighing like a solitary soul alone
        The wind, the wind, the wind, the wind

6)        Ding Dong, Ding Dong
        Wedding bells on a April morn
        Carve your love on a moss covered stone
        On a moss covered stone

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,I've got the same words in a different order
Date: 10 Sep 09 - 02:54 PM

Here's what I learned years ago at girl scout camp:

Rose, rose, rose, rose
Will I ever see thee wed?
Carve your name on a moss covered stone
On a moss covered stone

Ding-dong, ding-dong
Wedding bells on a September morning
I will marry at thy will, sire
At thy will

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: sing4peace
Date: 11 Sep 09 - 07:54 AM

My daughter and I used to sing it this way:

Child, child, child, child
Will I live to see you grow?
I will fight for your future
I love you so. I love you so.

Oh what a goodly thing
for the children of the world
to live together
in peace. In peace.

Love, love, love, love
people we are made for love
love each other as ourselves
for we are one, we are one.

There's a tunnel along the bikepath here where I like to go with friends and sing this round.This round has some of the most haunting harmony I have ever heard.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Mandi
Date: 08 Jan 10 - 12:22 AM

Don't forget this one:

What a goodly thing,
if the children of the world,
could dwell together,
in peace.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 09:47 PM

The version I grew up with (which has a slightly different cadence) takes a much darker turn. It describes the perspective of a Medieval girl who is being forced (likely by her father) to marry someone she doesn't love; to avoid this, she kills herself on her wedding day:

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose
I will live to see thy wed.
I'll be married at MY will, Father,
at my will.

Ding dong, Ding dong,
wedding bells on a September morning.
Carve my name on a moss-covered stone,
on a moss-covered stone.

Mother, Father, dig my grave.
Dig my grave with a golden spade.
Bring my friends and a white turtledove
to show I died for love,
to show I died for love.

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,KT
Date: 25 Oct 10 - 09:00 PM

When I went to camp I learned it like this. We started with the "Rose" tune and wnet into "Thou poor bird"

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose
Shall I ever see thee wed
I shall marry at thy will, Sire
At thy will

Hey ho, nobody home
Meat nor drink nor money have I none
Yet I shall be merry
Hey ho, nobody home

Thou poor bird
Take thy flight
High above the sorrows
Of this dark night.



That's just what I learned, and I have no idea how that song came to that camp, the origin, ect.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Aerith
Date: 30 Mar 11 - 05:13 AM

Wow! Another Steven's Ranch-er... but I probably predate you by a few years lol

It's amazing that this song has so many variations, but it's really the same song at the core. That's oral traditions at work right there.

Our version

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose
Will I ever see thee wed?
I shall marry at thy will, sire
At thy will.

The wind in the willows
Sighs like a solitary soul alone
The wind in the willows
Sighs like a solitary soul alone

Ah poor bird
Take thy flight
Up high above the sorrows of
This sad night.

Hey ho, nobody's home
Meat, nor drink, nor money have I none
But I will still be merry
Hey ho, nobody's home

Ding dong ding dong
Wedding bells on a September morn
Carve thy name on a moss covered stone
A moss covered stone

I always felt it was a story of a girl who was forced into a wedding by her father. Judging by the language, it would be during a time period where an arranged marriage is not rare. This was especially true since the final verse was in the same haunting, heavy melody from the first verse rather than something celebratory. I don't know... I always loved the feeling of singing it. It was one of my favorite campfire songs to teach the girls. This one, Tumbalalaika (woah, no idea how to spell that one) aka the Riddle, and Bah-Na-Nah (no words, just sound with both melody and harmony).

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 12 - 05:45 PM

At my pre-school, we would sometimes get to a three-part round with:

Oh, what a goodly thing
When the people of the world
All learn to dwell together
I-in peace

I am a poor,
Wayfaring stranger
I have no home,
To call my won

Ah, poor bird
Take they flight
far above the sorrows
of this sad night.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,GUEST, Harper Rose
Date: 12 Oct 12 - 11:48 AM

Wow, it's so fascinating to see all the variations. This is the way I learned it years ago at girl scout camp, though I've heard a few other verses since then. The first two are the same as others have already said here.

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose
Will I ever see thee wed?
I will marry at thy will, sire
At thy will

Ding, dong, ding, dong
wedding bells on an April morn
Carve thy name on a moss covered stone
on a moss covered stone

Love, love, love, love
Gospel in a word is love
Love thy neighbor as thy sister
Love, love, love

Peace, peace, peace, peace
Wars will come and wars will cease
When we learn to live together
peace, peace, peace

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 12 - 04:58 PM

I learned this song at a girls camp many years ago. The version I learned went like this:

Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose,
Will I ever see thee wed,
I will marry at thy will,
sire at thy will

I won't be my father's Jack
I won't be my mother's Jill
I will be a fiddler's wife
and fiddle when I will

Ding Dong, Ding Dong
Wedding bells on an April morn
carve your name on a moss covered stone
on a moss covered stone

hey hoe, nobody's home
eat, nor drink, nor money have I none
still I will be marry
hey hoe hum

oh poor bird,
why art thou
flying in the shadows
at this dark hour

Who can sail when there is no wind
or no oars to be rowing
and who can sail away from friends
with no tears a flowing

I can sail when there is no wind
or no oars to be rowing
but I can't sail away from friends
with no tears a flowing

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Atlanta
Date: 28 Apr 14 - 10:26 AM

I have just realized that the Rose Rose round I learned in Girl Scouts has essentially the same melody as the Ma Tovu prayer in Hebrew. Charlie Baum's comment - copied below - is the only mention of this I have seen on the internet!
Thank you all for this discussion :-)



Subject: RE:
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 14 Jun 97 - 10:53 PM

The first set of words I ever learned to that tune were in Hebrew:

A transliteration:
Mah tovu, // ohalecha ya'akov, // mishkinotecha yisrael.
("Ch" is fricative as in Scottish "loch")

It translates as:
"How goodly are your tents, O Jacob, your habitations, O Israel."

It is sometimes sung in the synagogue at the very beginning of a service.
--Charlie Baum

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Hope
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 11:30 PM

I have also heard "buliding bridges" sung as a verse at my Quaker camp. These are allo the verses I remember singing. It goes as a round until everyone is singing 'I love you so much' at the end.

Hey ho nobody home
No meat nor drink nor money have I none
But still I will be merry
Hey ho nobody home

Buliding bridges between our divisions
I reach out to you and you reach out to me
With all of our voices and all of our visions
Friends we can make such a sweet harmony

Rose rose rose rose
Will I ever see thy wed
I will marry at thy will
Rose rose rose rose

Ah poor bird
Take your flight
High above the sorrows
Of this dark night

Dear friend dear friend
Shall I tell you how I feel
You have given me such treasures
I love you so much.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST,Blubb
Date: 03 Nov 17 - 08:27 PM

The last one is german and goes:
"Heyo, spann den Wagen an.
Sieh der Wind treibt Regen ?bers Land.
Hol' die gold'nen Gaben, hol' die gold'nen Gaben."
I can't really translate it word by word because it's old and my English isn't good enough. But it speaks of someone who says to a boy that he should go out and bring the harvest in because rain is coming. I'm sorry if I made mistakes or if this doesn't make sense...

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Rose, Rose' round: More verses?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 05:06 AM

the real german version(cuz i saw that the one german version listed here was not quite right.)

theo spann den wagen an
sieh der wind treibt regen übers land
holt die goldnen garben
holt die goldnen garben