Excellent Mudcat parody

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: caitlin rua
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 03:52 AM

Surreysinger (or is that Guildfordgargler?) I think you may be reading more into that ghost post than was put there. It just looks to me like an attempt to turn the subject away from all the fighting and nastiness and get the thread back into a better mood (that is, if it wants to be in a better mood).

F. Ingnobody is not a person. He is a cartoon character. His creator has got a lot of mileage out of doing parodies, including one of Mudcat, so it's fair enough when the shoe is occasionally on the other foot. It's just a harmless bit of fun, for Heaven's sake. It's a tribute to F.I. that he's still so famous after all these years.   

In the words of Rumble O over on Mud-e-ceilidh: You've really arrived when you are well-known enough and relevant enough to be parodied.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 02:52 AM

No, I won't be "lightening up" any time soon, so you can keep your patronising homilies for your semi-detatched, suburban-lite, Daily Mail coffee mornings.

Yesterday I was actually thinking of calling Lawrence / Frank for confirmation that he was taking the piss out of the fatuous, middle-class equivalent of fiddling while the eternal city was on fire, but decided that surely nobody actually fritters away their time solving tedious, turgid, timewasting anagrams as an end in itself. While they could, after all, admit that they just can't be arsed to try and change things, they won't cos that's just not in their strategy and tactics. Like they'll trot along to Tory Bozza's free St George's fest because it's simpler to get to than the Tolpuddle commemoration and kid themselves with "Oooh, it's just like 1965" and remain blind to the economic and social cataclysms thundering around them.

But hold on, you're telling me that there are those who try to turn their pointless, anodyne non-activity into a virtuous excuse for doing sod all at best and assuming the status quo will go on and on and on . . . Are these, I wonder, the very same plastic holograms who sit in serried ranks at Cambridge doing Sudoku? Sounds like a stereotypical failing of the brainwashed descendants of Thatcherism to me.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Mar 09 - 01:51 AM

Gee, I was hoping for my own, personal anagram. "Oreo Jeff"?
Well, I suppose it could be a lot worse....

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Howard Jones
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:51 PM

Ms Easby, you appear to me to have addressed consistently the topic of what you wish Lawrence / Frank was getting at in the fake thread and what results was he hoping to achieve. The rest of us were simply assuming he might be trying to amuse us by poking gentle fun at the peculiar little world we inhabit. Terribly naive of us and not showing much political awareness, I'm afraid, but there's more than enough other threads addressing the topics you want to discuss.

You're showing all the stereotypical failings of the Left: taking everything far too seriously, turning everything into an issue, and boring its opponents into submission.

This is, or was, a light-hearted thread, so lighten up.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:52 PM

... and the fact that at the time of posting, I doubt if he would have made it home from the club. Do I smell an impostor here???

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:50 PM

Interesting that Frank should have posted like that ... considering that those anagrams don't work ... not his usual high standard..

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:02 PM

Where else would I get to be

ANAL HEN NOISE

(If I put in the B it makes me a banal hen. Boring. Still don't know what to do with that stupid J.)


I hereby dub our esteemed moderator Joe Offer

OREO JEFF

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Folknacious
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 06:57 PM

an anagram of VIC AND TINA SMITH is CHAINS DI IN MT VAT, I'm out of here

Ant And His Victim, surely

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Frank Ingnobody
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 06:32 PM

Always liked that Die Online, especially her hit song My Hog Will Eat On. We must get her down to Warring-on-Thames some day.

Regards,   

Drink on, fang boy

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 06:03 PM

Lots of references?
I suppose there might be. I haven't looked since I used to be somebody else.
It comes of an ability to write to topic on a wide range of subjects.
So, not much scope in a thread which puerile sniggering schoolpersons (no, let's be accurate, mainly schoolboys) want to keep pegged down to the lowest common denominator.
I think, after all, I might be on Facebook but under what identity I can't remember. I might have been substance-influenced at the time.
Should anyone find me, I'm really not interested in knowing about it.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 05:39 PM

Ironic ☺

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 05:20 PM

"Where does this crap come from?"
Oh dear...*sigh*
Humour (humor) once more was the driving force behind me hunting down some online references to The Captain and Diane Easby (wait a sec that sounds like..oh never mind! ;-) )

Captain Birdseye was easy (though I must admit I initially typed Captain Birdseed into Google)

Diane Easby was going to be harder, first off having to avoid all her postings on various bulletin boards (there's lots of those, as our viewers may know)I settled on the Face Book thingie, simply because, well, I thought it was hilarious, particularly the reference to Celine Dion

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 04:40 PM

Are Captain Birdseye and Diane Easby real people?

Dick is and so am I. We both play English concertina, though not together.
I'm not on Facebook. That pic's a fake. A Céline Dion fan? Pah.
Where does this crap come from?

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 04:39 PM

"So this really is a parody?????"

Damn it we've been sussed! *LOL*

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 04:24 PM

So this really is a parody?????

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Vic Smith
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 04:18 PM

It is very sad....

Look at the great feeling of fun and mirth that was generated in the early postings in this thread.

Then look at the vituperative tirades that it has descended into in its latter parts.

In the guidelines for posting on to this board, it says, "We believe that Mudcatters are blessed with common sense and admirable judgment, and should have little need of rules." I think that this thread shows that this is not the case.

If Mudcat had firm and fair board administators, surely some contributors would have been banned by now.

So, pausing only to point out that an anagram of VIC AND TINA SMITH is CHAINS DI IN MT VAT, I'm out of here.

And in case the previous paragraph is misinterpreted, can I point out that I am trying to salvage some ironic humour from this turn of events?

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:41 PM

Hijack Zone Men

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Les from Hull
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:33 PM

Well, this thread surely proves why it is appropriate to parody Mudcat! Although I don't think anyone could quite do it as well as we have. At least it made me look at anagrams for my Mudcat name.

Smell of Hurl

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:29 PM

Phaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrpppppppppppppppppppppp

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:25 PM

It does sometimes occur to me that I might, inadvertently, have strayed into an obscure dialect of a defunct Indo-European language of which even I have scarcely absorbed the rudiments of syntax or morphology. Particularly when I ask why the fuck are people talking about me?

But no, I have checked this thread (at least) and confirmed to myself that I have addressed consistently the topic of what and who Lawrence / Frank was getting at in the fake thread and what results was he hoping to achieve.

I could, of course, (as previously noted) be entirely wrong, but a wild guess would be that he wanted GEFFs in ill-fitting anoraks to consider, just for once, how their blinkered, entirely unreal, ill-considered (ahem) renditions (and scribblings) damaged the image of tradarts to the outside, "normal" world and to assess how they might do just a little to untarnish it.

But no, they're still talking about me and not about what I said (because they haven't read it or else are unable to assimilate it), oh no, just variations on what they imagine I might have said, though wouldn't think so if they actually knew me.

Earlier today I saw that an especially dim nurse had inscribed across my notes that I "communicated well in English". I said that yes, of course I do but would you like me to communicate with you in some other language and if so, which? I could ask the same here.

Entirely off-topic alert:

Although the bulk of my journalism has been of an industrial and political nature, I wrote my first music pieces for English Dance & Song and Club Folk over 40 years ago. I was a Morning Star music writer (among other things) for nearly a decade between Trevor Hyett before me and Karl Dallas after me. I have freelanced for more publications than I can be arsed to list and got a host of dancers and musicians onto children's telly programmes (whether they wanted to or not). All of which is almost entirely irrelevant except that it does indicate that I do know what goes on in the real world of music as opposed to the singaround at No- Farting-Under-The-Haystack.



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Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:16 PM

Not to our cellar he doesn't. You've paid for him - you keep him in your cellar. I'd be worried about the noxious gases combining with the pilot light on the boiler!

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:16 PM

"This thread belongs on the parody website. Brilliant piece of work, guys"

I'm all for the parody being opened up to interactivity, for those WITH a sense of humour (humor), of course.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:13 PM

This thread belongs on the parody website. Brilliant piece of work, guys.
Spaw, as your keeper, I must insist that you behave or retire to Jacqui's cellar...NOW!

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:00 PM

"Are Captain Birdseye and Diane Easby real people?"

Captain Birdseye
apparently he's dead......

No surely not.......
but honestly, officer, she looked dead

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Bewitched
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 02:32 PM

Are Captain Birdseye and Diane Easby real people or part of the whole Borfolk parody? Surely, nobody can be as pompous, humourless, self-important and bitter as these two? They are cartoon characters, yes? The Easby creation claims to be a writer but I've googled her and while there are hundreds of demented entries causing fights on message boards, there's not one proper piece of writing under her name.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 02:28 PM

Tell ya' what Gioko.....Let's talk about the merits of farting "Duelling Banjos" while blowing dope. Whaddaya think? I find its very relevant to a fun thread about Mudcat and as we already have a couple of folks on drugs and stomping on their personal flaming shit bags it oughta' go like gangbusters...........

Spaw

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 02:06 PM

Oh dear, the grapes are very sour today.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:42 PM

Twa 'undred!

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: kendall
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:29 PM

"Fuck off, dipshit" works for me.However, if the "Target" is a verbose, pedantic pain in the ass I might be a bit more erudite.
But, you all know me, I hate to complain.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:27 PM

IF that's what you're trying to do, build up and preserve cultural heritage, there are better ways than beating folks over the head and cursing at them.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:24 PM

There is no point in starting yet another thread about attitudes to traditional music: academic v pisstake, if you like. I have already said so in reply to someone who told me this was not the topic. It is. I also don't believe "Da Management" would want multiple threads on the same theme.

I am speaking to what I see as the implications of the topic and what I believe "Frank" was getting at, though I could, of course, be wrong.

Many of you, however, are now talking about me. Why? I'm not the topic nor am I interesting, but the state of the music industry and possibly ways to rescue and boost traditional music is, and is crucially important.

Do continue (if you really want) to ignore the herds of elephants rampaging about the room. Some deity of choice might step in with a miracle to rescue our cultural heritage. Though I wouldn't bank on it.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Megan L
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:13 PM

Perhaps Mud E Ceildh could have a thread 101 ways to tell someone to please leave, it might increase some folks vocabulary enough that they dont keep repeating the same epithet.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:07 PM

Perhaps Mud E Ceilidh could open up one've the 'controversy' threads, just for arguments sake?


Peaty Shrimps

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:00 PM

Nice try, Mick, but perhaps too subtle. Apparently she can't start a new thread all of her own to discuss the "wider issues."

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:55 PM

Do I tell you to put a sock over your concertina?
Far from "spoiling anyone's fun" I'm indicating connections and trains of thought and indeed action to enhance the music's profile, which they are apparently missing.
As, in fact, I believe to be the purpose of Frank's venture in the first place.
Though I may, of course, be completely wasting my breath / time . . .

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:53 PM

If I was going to say put a sock in it, I'd say so, and not in a polite way, so far I haven't said so.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:44 PM

Diane.
I think what Big Mick, and others are saying (in a polite way), is Please put a sock in it.
Why do you persist in wrecking other peoples fun?

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:35 PM

Then I suggest that if people really do want to ask me such fucking stupid, off-topic questions, they do so offlist. If I reply, they will be invoiced.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Big Mick
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:23 PM

Diane, I have great respect for your views as to professionalism, and protecting the real performers ability to get paid. Having said that, I must say that it is annoying and boorish to continue to take over threads, like this where folks are simply having a bit of a good time, and twist it into a tirade. It almost seems like a way to simply draw attention to yourself. I must admit to wondering, at times, as to your motives.

Mick

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:17 PM

Most music journalists have some performance experience as part of their backgrounds. Many also have dabbled in promotion, management or organisation too. Indeed, the more diverse practical experience within the chosen genre, the better the understanding and thus quality of criticism is likely to result. But no, wearing more than one hat at once is not only potentially unethical but lays the aspiring journalist open to accusations of bias.

And how off-topic is that? But someone did ask . . .

Oh, and I made my living from both writing and from production for many a long year. Meanwhile, I made no money whatsoever for me out of promotion as it was largely for benefits for anti-racist/fascist, anti-Tory, anti-union-bashing, anti-imperialist solidarity and liberation causes. Making money for myself was not the remit, though I doubt if you will grasp this concept.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:10 PM

Rumour (rumor) has it that Diane Easby has/does write for publication, not sure which ones. I must admit to getting a wee bit tired of the some of the rather verbose postings, and not just on this particular thread and not just by the aforementioned personage. Some judicious editing is perhaps needed in some cases?

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 11:59 AM

Do you get paid to write for any publications? If so, why not go do that and leave this thread alone?! You're definitely not going to make a living writing here.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 11:56 AM

Someone said:

Status of the tradarts . . . [is] . . . not what this thread is about

Actually, it is. And as there have been umpteen previous unresolved discussions wrecked by the very people being lampooned in the fake thread, there is no need for another.

Lawrence/Frank thought it might be fun to take the piss out of those so removed from reality that they fail to make a connection between their own lives and the cultural heritage that's out there, (in their backyards, to use an English Acoustic Collective expression).

The sainted "tradition" (if it ever really existed), disappeared long ago and its resurrection has been distorted and damaged by prissy middle-class "collectors". Yes, they wrote down a few things (songs lacking words and put tunes through the washer-drier then ironed them) but we'll never know how much these interfering busybodies destroyed or altered. Trad music now is performance art, even the few and far between snippets still being found among travellers. Music of the people being composed today is art music because it involves revivalists seeking inspiration at second hand from those deeply involved in their landscapes, trades and environments (c.v. Chris Wood of the EAC again) or the creators of the Radio Ballads (both generations). It is from here that the tradarts will continue and grow, once songwriters and musicians have recovered from the damage inflicted by (a) the education system over the past several generations which has forced them to ignore and despise their inheritance and (b) from the worst excesses of the snigging-snogging "revival". Children can learn to understand and to love what their parents rejected in favour of instant pop culture and, eventually, will add themselves to the people's culture which is theirs by right.

Contrast that prospect with the snarlings of those who think they're being exhorted not to "have a laugh". Just what is it you think you're laughing at? Of course I think Borfolk is funny on one level (and I believe Dick does too, apart from an unfortunate lapse when he imagined me poor old mate Bleaty was being maligned). I'm amazed (OK, no I'm not) that what some scribblers can't or won't acknowledge is that the hardest swipe is at the GEFFs, those whose idea of "fun" is to belt out one or two usually inappropriate chords topped by a vocal in an unrelated key and call it . . . yeah, that's right . . . in cliquey "clubs" which are, unfortunately, not nearly private enough, and then whinge incessantly when the general public thinks they're bonkers and that the noise they make is rubbish anyway.

It's been my lifelong ambition to raise awareness of the tradarts to the cultural status they deserve, an achievement already realised in most other countries I have worked in or at least visited. It will never be acceptable to laugh at the low, maligned image portrayed (and sometimes deservedly as a result of sloppy presentation) in many branches of the English media. That is why it is necessary to examine the wider implications of such inhouse lampooning and make sure no more of it escapes into wider currency.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 11:29 AM

Diane said

I'm extremely tired of tiny minds that can't even spell W - I - D - E - R    I - S - S - U - E - S.
But those who want to snigger their way to oblivion unable to recognise how much needs to be done to rescue and improve the status of the tradarts, so be it.

and

I went on to mention that I took to writing instead. That (as I'm sure I've mentioned before) is why I don't "join" anything, nor indeed perform (much). It's unethical for a necessarily outside observer to do so.

There is absolutely nothing to prevent you from performing AND critiquing, should you choose to. Nothing unethical about it. As a critic you delude yourself if you really think you're on the outside looking in, because you were already a performer. I suspect you've placed yourself in the margins where your writing voice and your performing have cancelled each other out and the complaint we are reading here is the result.

Poking fun at oneself as in that parody means the writer is in the mix, he recognizes the medium he's part of. He recognizes it's nature, and it's flaws. He's the fish who sees the water it swims in. He's the critic, with a sense of humor, who reached more people with this parody than you have with your complaint.

This analysis is offered free of charge--I know nothing about your performing or your criticism. I'm just reading between the lines.

SRS (Versatile Grisly)

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 11:24 AM

There is a time and place for "wider issues." This is not it.

Mick,there's a bunch if you use your surname, i.e. "Lace Mink."**bg**

Gain Talk Hug

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 10:47 AM

Anyhow, must dash - off to see a talk by Judy Cook.

Lucky you! We have her doing a house concert in South Portland in April - can't wait!

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: Surreysinger
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 10:04 AM

"Status of the tradarts"???

Not what this thread is about ... could I suggest that those who wish to have a serious discussion on this point start up a thread which is specifically for that purpose ? I doubt, incidentally, whether the source singers, musicians or dancers of yore would have been aware of "tradarts" or have perceived what they did as requiring or having a "status". That smacks more of the performance arts world - not what this music and song was originally about.

Back to the thread .. Big Mick ... dodgy one... how about Kim C Gib ? I think you're probably on a loser.

Anyhow, must dash - off to see a talk by Judy Cook.

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:57 AM

If you add a surname Mick, you get the very apposite

I be calm king - or - I becalm king.

Dick & Di

Can you two snobs go away and let us enjoy this clever parody?

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:48 AM

Enough already.
Good grief. A small insignificant thread, gently lampooning Mudcat, perpetrated by an innocent Englishman, (apparently rather liked by the Mudcat Toffs!!),has been turned into a political rant by two individuals.

Stop Now Please!

Dick and Diane. Please desist.
The rest of us were having a laugh. Is that a concept that doesn't fit into your lives?
Seriously, there is no further point in continuing this thread. It has been violated totally.
Which is such a shame, because it was really rather funny.
Stupid....Yes
Pointless...Yes
Relevant....Mmmmm Maybe!
Apologies to our American paymasters for pissing you off totally...it;s a UK thing.
Ralphie
Still can't get an anagram out of Big Mick.....Humbug!

Subject: RE: Excellent Mudcat parody
From: MMario
Date: 27 Mar 09 - 09:45 AM

Mick - I cheated and added - but the very first anagram listed was "Alembic King" another was "Cabling Mike"