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Subject: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Rick Fielding Date: 20 Jul 99 - 04:47 PM This is something that I've thought about for years but never actually asked anyone about. (including my therapist/third baseman) I'm basically a non-drinker - just don't like the taste of hard likker, and wine never tasted better than grape juice to me. Sometimes I'll drink the occasional beer on a hot summer's day - but rarely more than 3 or 4 a year. Every time I go to England or Scotland I drink tons of beer (something called 70 shilling) and nobody believes that in my real life I'm THE teatotaler among my friends. I'm not losing sleep over this, but I wondered if anyone else's drinking habits were as related to the country they were in. P.S. I never drink when singing, 'cause I forget words like crazy. Rick |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: SeanM Date: 20 Jul 99 - 05:33 PM Hmm... Mine's not the country, but the situation. For about 8-20 weekends a year I work at a big outdoor event, where camping facilities are provided... to be honest, I usually drink more in one weekend out there than I do for the rest of the year outside of this event. For me, it's the combination of friends, not having any chance of having to drive anywhere, and the fact that most of my friends believe in the drink exchange program (wherein the coke that you started with is kidnapped and exchanged into a rum and coke... or more accurately, a rum that's seen a coke a few hours ago). It's a personal choice, but we cut loose and enjoy ourselves. M |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Bill D Date: 20 Jul 99 - 05:36 PM well, *big grin*...I almost never get out of this country...but I DO like the taste of many alcoholic drinks. Furtunately, I almost NEVER over-do..when I have had enough, it starts tasting bad...I can make a bottle of Tullamore Dew last for months...and two beers is enough for most evenings.... but, I DO have a story..I had occasion to sit around an airport with Martin Wyndham-Reed once..(he bought a little camp chair I make, and I had to deliver it to him in time for the last leg of his flight home)...in gratitude, he offered to buy me a beer, but refused one himself, explaining that he simply didn't drink......EXCEPT in Australia! ...He told me in a bemused way, that when he would be in some club or bar in Australia, there was just no way to avoid beer...they simply did not comprehend NOT having a beer..*grin*...so he developed the art of setting one in front of himself and nursing it all evening long! He said he could usually get away with it as long as he waved it about and sipped it now & then. I guess in certain cultures one has to adapt... |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: katlaughing Date: 20 Jul 99 - 05:40 PM All beer taste like what I imagine horse piss tastes like, just never acquired a taste for it, no matter how hot. When I was a bartender I drank frequently, many moons ago. Never forge\ot the time a cowboy sauntered up and asked for a "curs"; sure sounded like he wanted were mean dawgs to me, but what he really wanted was a Coors. It now takes so ittle to effect my hyper-sensitive system that I never, hardly ever, no never drink. Funny, though, just after I saw the title of this thread, I called Rog to ask him to bring me home an amaretto sour, so....what's this auto-suggestion yer practising, Rick? kat |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Bert Date: 20 Jul 99 - 05:46 PM Bill D, Germany is like that as well. On a very long drive, I went into a restaurant in Munich for lunch. The last thing I needed was a beer because we still had a very long way to go and I was tired. However, the waitress (who would have looked well in an opera by Wagner) wouldn't serve me anything else. She said "YOU ARE A MAN - YOU DRINK BEER" and plonked a large one in front of me. Bert. |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Night Owl Date: 20 Jul 99 - 06:09 PM Had a tough day today, a friend just called and invited me out for a beer...WHICH WAS sounding good in this heat...until I had to "just peek" at this thread before I left! Given that I also work with horses, I want to THANK you KatL. for the vivid graphics!!!! |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: MAG (inactive) Date: 20 Jul 99 - 08:21 PM Have to second the fact about Germany. I come from a teetotaling family, and never tasted alcohol until I went to Germany on a study program. The township grew winegrapes commnally, and you just didn't say no. Plus, they mixed beer and wine. Every town has its own unique brewery. My first night I got soooo sick ... MA |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Roger in Baltimore Date: 20 Jul 99 - 08:27 PM Rick, In the US, one third of the adults do not drink at all. Another third drink less than once a month. This third probably drinks only on special occasions. The rest are regular drinkers. It is not uncommon that people pick their social network from among the "third" to which they belong. It is not uncommon for any motivated behavior to be associated with certain places or activities. It is similar to Pavlov's dog experiments. I hope your remember the dogs, the food, the bell and the saliva, 'cause I don't care to do that much typing. So, are you normal? Well, of course not, who is? However, you're drinking behavior is not unusual. Roger in Baltimore (who makes his living treating addicts and alcoholics and who should know something about all of this) |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: katlaughing Date: 20 Jul 99 - 09:04 PM Well, I've had alcohol for the first time in 6 or so years, and I must say the locked up shoulder muscle from being on the 'pewter too much, is feeling a trifle more relaxed. And, it's all your fault, Ricky-woo!**BG** RiB: in my experience, coming from a family which has a good share of alcoholics, I saw most of them associate only with themselves, very solitary drinking lot. I think, it's my theory only, this was because my grandmother was a member of the Temperance Union and very intolerant about the demon rum etc. I remember, as a very young child, I knew no one was allowed to drink around grandma and her grown children hid their drinking from her, even in their own homes! Maybe that is part of why I turned out to be so upfront about whatever I do, even with my own mother when she was alive. I admire anyone who can help people which such addictions. Hats off to you! katlaughing
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: gargoyle Date: 20 Jul 99 - 10:25 PM Can anyone help the laugh cat now that she is "off the wagon?"
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: katlaughing Date: 21 Jul 99 - 12:02 AM Cute, Gargoyle! Really, really cute!**Big Grin** But I've been told too many times there's NO help for me! Now....where'd that bottl, er...I mean where'd m'glass o'water go? Really, it's JUST water!!! katlaughing |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Rick Fielding Date: 21 Jul 99 - 01:38 AM Kat. Why'd ya respond? |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Jul 99 - 03:39 AM Hey Mr. Big RiB feller---------Did them dogs get drunk or what? I 'member Paw useta' have an ol hound that drunk up Jack with him ...... That anmal shore cud drink. Was a mean drunk though and after 'bout an hour uv hittin' her purty good he'd be jez as likely to sink his teeth in yer ass as vomit. Got hissef kilt few years back. He wuz drunk an got run down bya fast movin' manure wagon. Damn near got Paw too. CLETUS |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Roger the zimmer Date: 21 Jul 99 - 04:20 AM ...we share our ages,locations, schools, t-shirt sizes,likes, dislikes, politics, religion, now drinking habits (I've admitted a taste for Dionysus' Revenge in several threads). With all this information Joe "The Fed" Offer could probably track any of us down in three minutes, tho' I don't think I'd survive a positive vetting! |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Jeri Date: 21 Jul 99 - 09:22 AM I used to drink a lot, constantly when I was 18 to about 15. I honestly think if I had a different genetic make-up I would have been seriously addicted. Instead, I just got bored with it. This was luck rather than self-control - it's not hard to stop drinking when you don't get much out of it in the first place. I rarely have a glass of anything at home - alcohol makes me sleepy. I'll have a couple when I'm at a pub or a party. It's the social climate more than anything, as it was back in my youth when I drank gallons. (Just don't try to take my coffee away!) |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: katlaughing Date: 21 Jul 99 - 10:27 AM Rick: olive branch, I guess? |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Big Mick Date: 21 Jul 99 - 10:37 AM Kat, Olive branches are for those who are interested in recieving them. Your heart is too big. You have plenty of friends here who love you. You don't need this one. Quit trying. Mick |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Fadac Date: 21 Jul 99 - 10:48 AM I'm a bit differant, I guess. I enjoy the taste of booze and beer. But I don't drink all that much. Oh, a beer or two, per week/month. And at the Scottish games a dram or two of the water of life. But I'll also go months on end and never drink either. I don't care to be drunk, but I like the taste of the stuff. So I have one drink, or two, then quit. None if I'm going to be flying the next day. Only one beer (well sometimes two) if I'm driving. So I don't go much for quanity, so I go for quality. I have developed a taste for the dark beers, ales. and Porter. Even when I was young (20-21) and in Germany, and at a party, I would only have one, or two, the quit, or drink coffee. If anyone gave me any trouble about it, I would tell them that I was a pilot (not true at that point) and wasn't allowd any beer before flying. (By the way, that is a good excuse to use, if you don't want to drink at that time. Just tell them your a pilot, or on medication that dosn't allow booze. They will look at you and be sympithatic (sp?), but it gets you off the hook.) There is no shame in NOT taking a drink, if you don't want it. -Fadac |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: katlaughing Date: 21 Jul 99 - 11:03 AM Thanks, Mick. |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Neil Lowe Date: 21 Jul 99 - 11:04 AM I like alcohol, period. My drinking behavior goes from what I call *normal* (i.e., one to two alcoholic drinks a night) to abstention (as of this writing, it's been weeks since I have had any kind of alcohol, just haven't felt the urge)to nights of *serious* drinking. On those nights, I drink alone, all by myself, as the song goes, bourbon on the rocks. Socially, I usually detour from my *normal* drinking behavior, having one alcoholic drink or thereabouts per hour for as long as I am out. I hope my drinking reverses the aging process, as it seems to have done in Jeri's case, during that period from 18 to 15. I may have to abandon my unintentional estrangement from distilled spirits just to research this most interesting phenomenon, as if I needed an excuse. Regards, Neil |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Jeri Date: 21 Jul 99 - 11:14 AM Neil - AACK! My "1" was supposed to be a "2" - I hate it when that happens! |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Jul 99 - 11:17 AM Kat, We've discussed my thoughts on the subject. You've got it right. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: katlaughing Date: 21 Jul 99 - 11:26 AM You guys are great. Thank you so much. kat |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Wally Macnow Date: 21 Jul 99 - 12:02 PM Rick,
When I was a veritable youth, I developed a strong dislike for beer. I used to go to Washington Square on hot Sunday afternoons and jam with folks and onlookers/listeners would supply us with cold drinks but I thought the beer tasted awful.
Later on, I got drafted into the army and wound up in Germany where the beer was delicious. It wasn't the environment, i.e., being around a bunch of soldiers. I just didn't like the stuff that gets passed off here as beer. Wally |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Neil Lowe Date: 21 Jul 99 - 12:13 PM .....So much for my search for "The tap spigot of youth".....would've liked to entertain the idea for more than 10 minutes, though.... |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Easy Rider Date: 21 Jul 99 - 12:36 PM Roger in B: Well, I'm in the "special occasions" category you mentioned, when it comes to alcoholic beverages, but I saturate my system with folk music & blues, almost every day. Should I sit on the "Group R" bench? Am I a candidate for rehabilitation? Is there any hope? EZR |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Blake Madison Date: 21 Jul 99 - 12:49 PM I don't mind a cold beer now and then, but only as a chaser if it's hot and the whiskey doesn't quench my thirst. Mainly it's bourbon, and lots of it, for me. I've got an appetite that won't quit. Dames. Fast cars. Hot jazz. Whiskey is right at the top of the list. Last time I was completely sober was March 23, 1979. I didn't care for it.Katlaughing, you're just out of practice, Baby...Blake Madison,PI |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Mike Strobel Date: 21 Jul 99 - 01:07 PM Rick, Many of my earlier years were spent on the floor because the bed was turning too fast. This happened in Canada on a number of occasions, so I now realize it is an international phenonminon. ( where's spell check when you need them ). However,could this bed spinning ( last time in Chicago 2 years ago.............when I finnally gave up have more than 2 beers and 2 mixed drinks on the same evening ) be only limited to North America and/or does the bed spin in the opposite direction on the other side of the Great Divide ? |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: katlaughing Date: 21 Jul 99 - 01:13 PM Oooo, Blake, darlin', do ya really think so? It's sooo good to see you've joined us, again. How's it shakin'? Had any interestin' cases lately? Anymore late night escapades? Any horse between yer legs, taking off after international hoodlums? Any damsels in distress or a dress at least? Any bouncing tiples, possums blown up, Regs' on the lam? Tell us, Blake, what's new!?? katlosingbreathewhilecontemplatingbeinginblakes'arms! |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Fadac Date: 21 Jul 99 - 01:18 PM Mike, That is called the chorilais (or however it's spelled) effect. It's the same thing that makes the stuff swing around in the sink. (Or terlet, depending on your point of view at the momemnt.) The bed will spin in one direction here in N. America, and in S. America (or Oz) the bed will spin in the other direction. Now if you could get smashed on the equater, you wouldn't spin at all, just sink directly to the bottom. Unless your in Panama then your head goes clockwise and your feet counterclockwise. Causing the Pretzel effect. There is no truth to the roomer that the "Twist" was invented by a drunk GI in the Canel Zone, in 1954. -Fadac (da spinner) |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: annamill Date: 21 Jul 99 - 01:51 PM I enjoy drinking. I guess I could be called an alchy. Trouble is I'm a minimal alcoholic. Gee, I've never been to one, but this sound like what I've heard a AA meeting sounds like. My name is annap and I'm an alcoholic... Trouble is I love drinking. It hasn't hurt my life, I take care of business. I really love a pina~ colada on the deck in the sun. Tanquerey and tonic in the evening, wine with dinner. It is my version of Prozak I guess. Calms me. I feel my whole body relax. Glenn loves it when I drink ;-) Thing is, when I have to, I can go days without drinking with no problem. But when those days are over, watch out! It's a pleasure in my life and I'm not going to stop as long as I'm not hurting my life or anyone else. Like Mark Twain, if I can't make 80 by an easy road, I don't want to go. Also, like a sinking ship with no ballast, when you become ill what are you going to give up? That was him too. Maybe that's why I love Twain so much. A kindred soul. Please, no preaching. I'm old enough and intellegent enough to make this decision for myself and I know the pitfalls. Kat..ignore the flashers. Cheers! Love, annap |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: katlaughing Date: 21 Jul 99 - 02:01 PM Thanks, annap. And, who are we to judge? You know what is best for you and Twain was pretty canny, too. Ever been to Hartford, CT and toured his home? Indescribable, esp. the library and billiard room where he wrote. Check out this virtual tour kat |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: John OSh Date: 21 Jul 99 - 06:45 PM I guess I feel drinking is all a state of mind. Mainly alone I never drink, as I find plenty of other things to relax me after work which don't seem to leave me hung over in the morning (as I get older, it seems I have less ability to enjoy a few drinks in the evening and wake up feeling fine) When I was in Ireland a few years ago, I barely drank as I was w/ my parents who generally don't as well, but in Mexico last winter drank pretty much all day every day (never to the point of stupidity though, thank God. The town I wa in had a jail cell for the tourist and local drunks, open on three sides on the main road so everyone could stare at them! Talk about social embarisment) As well, when w/ certian friends I drink more than w/ other friends. I believe drinkable alcohol (especially beer) is one of the great achievements of humankind (just to note for any who think libations are only for men, throughout most of history, women were the great home brewmasters), but, like everything in life, should be enjoy and appreciated, not abused. (Roger in Baltimore , I usede to make a living working w/ individuals with addictions. Made it kind of hard going out at night for a few cold ones after seeing some of the true hard luck cases) Be well, John OSH |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: katlaughing Date: 21 Jul 99 - 07:06 PM John Osh, I wonder if the warmer the country? When Rog was in Venezuela he always had a beer in hand, as did most everyone else. Don't knwo what the jails were like, but when he went to the cop station to report his laptop etc. stolen, the cops were sharing a very limited number of bullets to go on a drug raid! |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Bryant Date: 21 Jul 99 - 07:19 PM Yeah Annap, Me too. We all have the things we turn to to help keep us on an even keel -- and mine, by gum, is a good beer (or 3). My liver is not happy about this arrangement and I might be a little more chipper in the mornings were things different, but there you go. There are worse vices. Cheers! Bryant (a fellow borderliner) |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Allan C. Date: 21 Jul 99 - 09:07 PM In the old days I only drank in special cases: a case of Boone's Farm Apple Wine, a case of Budweiser, etc.. I drank it like soda pop. In fact, it was rare that a soda ever passed my lips...and water? As the saying goes, I was thirsty - not dirty.
Time passed and I learned that I couldn't afford ($) to keep alcoholic beverages around the house. I'd drink 'em. They would call my name at all hours of the day and night until they were properly emptied. I was like a kid trying to hide candy from himself. I always knew it was there. I never could keep a bar stocked around the place. If I had even a single bottle of something, it would have to be drunk. Forget about having more than one sitting about.
But luckily I can also do without booze and beer very well for long periods of time. I think I went about seven years once (not long ago) without a single drink.
Now I have a drink or three from time to time. Fortunately I usually drink with someone else who helps to keep me from drinking all of it (whatever it is) by drinking a share along with me. Nowadays I can even keep a bottle for a little longer than I used to. Now I might buy a bottle every month or so.
Drink to excess? No. Not usually. Some people who have known me for years have never seen me drunk. It does happen every great once in a while. I have lubricated sidewalks and dodged parked cars on no more than three occasions over the years. But generally nobody would ever know that I had been drinking at all unless they were watching. Sometimes I hardly even know it myself. Or, (as some can attest) I forget the words/chords to a song - that is a dead giveaway. But usually I just get sleepy and toddle off to bed.
Situational drinking? You bet! The main, deciding factor which will almost invariably cause me to take up the glass is if it is free. I simply don't have it within me to turn down a free drink - or free food for that matter.
I think of myself as a somewhat discriminate drinker now. A few imported beers and ales (at least, the dark ones) seem to have a little flavor to them. I mostly prefer the better brandies and whiskeys. To me, a mixed drink is one you put ice in. Mostly I drink things straight. I am no connoisseur of great wines. I do not pretend to know one from the other. I discover a good one from time to time and stick with it as long as it can be found on the shelf at the grocery.
While I have no compunctions about drinking alone, I would much rather drink socially. And I will ALWAYS drink if I am expected to dance! I am a good - no - a very good slow-dancer. But my fast dancing could best be described as bizarre. Or at least that's what it feels like from in here - unless I have had a few drinks.
Gosh! Now you guys know more about me than most people. As I hit the "Submit Message" button here, I really have to wonder why I am telling you all of this. At this particular moment, I have no idea. |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: LEJ Date: 21 Jul 99 - 09:32 PM Allan C, the reason you told us all of that was specifically to make ME laugh! Thanks.. and stop hogging the Bushmill's. LEJ |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Ted from Australia Date: 22 Jul 99 - 01:03 AM Do you not know why us in oz are so laid back? It's like Bert's German barlady said. We are men: men drink beer QED. (except for a very few [wusses] and some children.) Even our women are honorary men) kat I have to agree with you about most American beer, with the noticable exception of La Blatts (Canadian I believe) It DOES taste like horses piss. Re(hic)gards, Ted.
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Peter T. Date: 22 Jul 99 - 09:39 AM Dat is completement false -- de beers Canadyen do taste like 'orses' piss, but we have de sweetest and de strongest tasting horse piss in the worl' up 'ere in de Nort! Contraire to Yankee 'orses, 'oose piss is belo' de 4% mark, you bet. hon hon! your pal, Black Jack Shellac |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Allan C. Date: 22 Jul 99 - 09:46 AM During my years in Brazil, I came to appreciate good German beer. I am not certain what the current statistics are now, but at one time, 40% of all immigrants to that country were German. Those fine folks brought their beer recipes with them. Upon returning to the States, I rediscovered how truly anemic our beers are. We should be ashamed. |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: katlaughing Date: 22 Jul 99 - 10:16 AM Ah-HaH! Now, I want you all to note: I didn't say I KNEW what horse pee tastes like! Heeheehee.....but it sure sounds like you'all do! Ooooo, otherwise howd'ja know fer sure?**BG** |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Roger in Baltimore Date: 22 Jul 99 - 12:48 PM Now Rick, You have just learned a lesson in human interaction. A little self-disclosure leads others to self-disclosure. Not many answers to your question, but what a wonderful amount of information. Catspaw, Would you please explain Pavlov and his dogs to Cletus? I have neither the time nor the temperment. Big RiB |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Dave Swan Date: 22 Jul 99 - 01:16 PM Rick, Oh course you drink more in England & Scotland. The beer is sooooo good. Hand drawn from a proper cellar.And the setting is right. Is there anything more soothing than a good pub? Polished wood, flags on the floor, thatch on the roof. I don't care what the architecture is as long as it's old and resonates with all the folks who've bellied up for just one more pint. I could rhapsodize about my favorites for hours. The Falkland Arms in Great Tew, The George in Perth, The King's Arms in Hawkshead, The Fighting Cock in Bradford. I'm getting misty. Dogs under foot, talk, music. Well it's only two hours 'til noon. Cheers, D. |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: katlaughing Date: 22 Jul 99 - 01:47 PM Yer making me jealous, Dave. Out here in the wild west just about all we have now are the really old, down and outs like the Lazy 8 or North 40 and the yuppie, pseudo-fern bars. There used to be the Dew Drop Inn, which was okay for old timey ranch atmosphere, but I hear someone from California bought it and don't know what they did to it. Guess someday I ought to drive the forty or so miles out into the boonies of the high plains and check it out. BUT, no dawgs are allowed in any of them that I know of. Drinking here, in bars, changes most peoples personnas, too. People get mauldin, mean, fighting drunk, pleasantly smashed, but I don't see the atmosphere being conducive to civility. Usually it is fraught with the innuendos of sexual conquest, macho men contests, etc. Oooo, sorry everyone, I sound as though all I drink is from a "bitters" cup, eh?? Now, if I could only find me a good pub! |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Dave Swan Date: 22 Jul 99 - 02:07 PM C'mon Kat, let's slide over to the Mudcat Tavern. I'm buying. D. |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Peter T. Date: 22 Jul 99 - 02:08 PM Dear kat, if you have a hankering for horse piss, and are prepared to be patient and wait for many, many, many, many years, a substantial fraction of menopausal drugs are made from pregnant mare's urine, including one of the best known, Premarin (check out the name). yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Bill D Date: 22 Jul 99 - 02:28 PM Ted from Oz, and others who decry American beer..20 years ago, it was true that most American beer was bland, insipid crap, but about that time, the microbrew 'movement' started, and now there are many very fine, and a few excellent..(in some cases, world class) beers, ales, porters, etc. brewed here. I think the 'best' are still in Belgium, England, Germany, etc...but we at least have choices. (I know...some small, rural areas still are hurting..*sigh*)....The biggest problem I have is that I can BUY imported beer from all over the world, which I love to try, but I cannot be sure it is fresh! The importers/distributors simply make no effort to rotate stocks and the bottlers seldom indicate brew date. I once had a six-pack of Samuel Smith's ale (oh, how delicious when fresh!) that I returned because it was totally spoiled!(And, I'd bet they turned around and put it back out for sale!) SOME U.S. breweries now date the product, and I wish it were a world-wide practice. (I know..go to a brewpub and get it fresh...well, sometimes, I do...but none are 'really' close to me...so I make do..) anyway, just venting a bit....*grin*...sure hope I get to tip a pint with some of you fellow lovers of good ale someday.. |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Allan C. Date: 22 Jul 99 - 02:29 PM Just wait until some of you hit Montana. For some reason I have never understood, three quarters of all the bars/taverns in that state are named, "The Mint Bar". |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Margo Date: 22 Jul 99 - 03:31 PM I hardly ever drink! My husband Jack belongs to wine of the month club. I wondered for a while if he was an alcholholic, but I concluded not. He asks what we're having for dinner, and goes to get the appropriate wine. If he doesn't have the right wine for the meal, he drinks water! I scarcely drink, but when we were in Canada, we went to an Irish jam in a pub (with Musicman) and I had THREE guiness stout on tap! I really liked them. Jack bought some for me at home, but it is in bottles, and I don't think it tastes quite the same. Last spring (just before I got on anti-depressants) I got rip roaring drunk on rum. We had friends over who helped watch the kids. It was sort of theraputic because I was relaxed enough that I could enjoy the kids. I saw that when I was relaxed, so were the kids. They did't get into trouble constantly. Jack made me drink copious amounts of water before going to bed, and the next day I had not a clue of a hangover! Amazing. But fortunately, I saw the wisdom of not using alchohol to relax. The anti-depressants did their job (while killing any creative impulses I had). I am now off of them, and am glad to have no dependencey, and can drink every now and then for those special occasions. Good for you, RiB, for your work! Soberly, Margarita |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: katlaughing Date: 22 Jul 99 - 05:40 PM Good for you, Margarita! PeterT. : you rogue, you! I KNOW about the horrible way in which premarin is made. In fact, if you'd like to read the editorial I wrote let me know. I'l email it. Vile, horrible animal abusers! Esp. when there are good alternatives! Regardless, ya still made me smile! I'll be there in a minute, Dave. Thanks. Okay phoaks, I forgot about the microbreweries! Still don't like the taste and the atmosphere still mostly sucks! However, I ahev on good authority that a certain Colin, son of a kat full of hilarity, makes a mean brew at his home in Indiana. People in California, Colorado, and Kentucky flock to taste his latest, and his dad even sampled the wares at Christmas last. So, now all I need is that pub! |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: MAG (inactive) Date: 22 Jul 99 - 05:56 PM Walla Walla has a fine microbrewery; they are all over the Pacific NW -- tho' I gave the stuff up. (beer, that is.) Ne need to take Premarin since there is a synthetic. The PETA website will tell you all about it, but that is a POLITICAL thread -- oh no, let's not go! MA |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Roger in Baltimore Date: 22 Jul 99 - 06:25 PM Geez, I don't even drink the stuff and you guy's are making me thirsty. Dave, When you talked about atmosphere it brought to mind The OLD ROSE AND CROWN. I don't long for the pubs of yesteryear, but like many a folkie I long for some of the way things used to be. There are times I wish I could go to the old general stores here in Carroll County where people knew your name and where you could catch up on the community news (and gossip). That doesn't happen at Super Fresh. So I sing this song for that reason (and 'splains it when I do). We can do this one a cappella. The chorus is great. "Oh, what have they done with the old Rose and Crown; The Ship, The Kings Arms, and The World Upside down? For oak, brass, and leather, and a pint of the best Fade away like the sun as it sinks in the west." Big RiB |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Roger in Baltimore Date: 22 Jul 99 - 07:57 PM Oops! I thought I was back in the Mudcat Tavern. Are you sure this is water I've been drinking? Well, some of us don't have to get drunk to act drunk. Big RiB |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Cathy Date: 23 Jul 99 - 06:59 AM Well, now that people have started singing: Oh brew me no beer with artificial bubbles Those artificial beers of today Cause Utica Club'll still take the trouble To age beer the natural way. Utica Club U!C! Haven't had a drink in over 20 years but I'll still sing that song whenever I get a chance. |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Roger in Baltimore Date: 23 Jul 99 - 07:33 AM Ah, yes, the Utica Club water falls. Big RiB |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Margarita Date: 23 Jul 99 - 07:34 AM Margarita: I've been using the "water cure" for hangovers for years, ever since I heard about it, and it has never let me down. I've heard it's something about the alcohol dehydrating your brain (real neat stuff to do to your brain, isn't it?) that causes your head to hurt and the water replenishes the lost fluids, although I can't verify that. In any event it works. The only drawbacks: you may have to stagger to the bathroom to relieve yourself in the small hours of the morning, and you have to be at least not so drunk as to forget to drink a lot of water right before you go to bed..... |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Neil Lowe Date: 23 Jul 99 - 07:37 AM How did I do that? The above post was from me, not Margarita talking to herself. My apologies. |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Roger in Baltimore Date: 23 Jul 99 - 07:44 AM Cathy, I think we are both in the wrong thread. Why don't you come with me over to the Mudcat Tavern. The bar is well-stocked with the beverage of your choice and the music varies from "interesting" to down-right fantastic. Roger in Baltimore |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Roger the zimmer Date: 23 Jul 99 - 08:26 AM I don't drink beer regularly but when I do...
I WANT A BEER (tune:" Want a Girl")
I want a beer, just like the beer That pickled dear old dad. It was a beer, and the only beer that Daddy ever had. A real old-fashioned beer with lots of foam; It used to take six men to carry Daddy home, Oh, I want a beer, just like the beer that pickled dear old dad. [not quite the version in the DT]
In London that would be Young's Special for choice, in my local pubs it would be Marston's Pedigree or Arkells 4B. In Greece I drink cold Amstel at lunch, wine and brandy in the evenings, yet I never drink lager at home, usually strong dry cider if I want a long drink, [memo: always after mowing the lawn, never before!] chilled dry sherry before diner, wine with weekend meals, and Madeira or Greek brandy afterwards. |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Steve Parkes Date: 23 Jul 99 - 09:39 AM The water cure: half a pint (a whole pint is better) of water and a paracetamol before you turn in (never mind about the night-visiting), and a banana when you rise (to restore something-or-other). Allow about one hour for every unit of alcohol (1 unit = half a pint of beer or 1 measure of spirits, approx) and try not to wake up before that time (that's the time it takes to metabolise the alcohol). Works for me! Talking of bananas, if you hold it by the satlk and open the "wrong" end, you ahve a nifty little handle to hold it with, right to the last bite. Oh, if you can't open up the banana, go back to bed! Steve P.S. I don't know if it works with U.S. bananas ... |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Margo Date: 23 Jul 99 - 11:42 AM That was very clever Neil! Yes, you do have to get up in the middle of the night, and even drink more water at that point. I was amazed the next day that I was only a little tired, with NO headache! Neil Oh no, I mean Margarita |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: Neil Lowe Date: 23 Jul 99 - 01:19 PM I think I too, like Roger and Cathy, took a wrong turn out of the Mudcat Tavern last night. That's what I get for trying to post before I've had caffeine. But did I have a lot of fun over there, though. A grand place, I highly recommend it. |
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Subject: RE: When the Sober start Drinking! From: WyoWoman Date: 24 Jul 99 - 01:55 AM I can't stand "lady-like little drinkies," the mixed stuff that always has some sort of sugar in it. (Although the occasional margarita is nice, but only if you make it yourself and don't use that icky margarita mix. Just a skosh of triple sec and a lot of lime...mmm) Mostly, Bushmills or Jameson's on the rocks, or Tullamore Dew and good beers -- no American beer unless it's a microbrew beer. I like beer stout and strong, just like I like my men! I rarely drink alone, except maybe a medicinal glass of wine at home at night after work. I often drink in company, occasionally to excess. I am, however, committed to never, ever again having Near-Death Hangover, so I always try to limit my intake and be intelligent about it. (and, occasionally I fail and get a bit silly and overly friendly. I try to do no harm...) WW |
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