BS: Christmas? A rant

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 06:46 PM

Not much longer till the supermarkets start stocking food again rather than party titbits.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 10 Dec 09 - 04:54 AM

And another new one from The Great Man Himself, just to get you all in the festive mood...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIhqfB0QAbk

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Folkiedave
Date: 09 Dec 09 - 07:21 PM

And what a sing!!

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Folkiedave
Date: 09 Dec 09 - 05:36 AM

For anyone local there is a sing at the Nag's Head, Stacey Bank.

Up the Valley and on the left. Just before the Dungworth turn-off.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Folkiedave
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 08:04 AM

I of course speak as a "not mutually exclusive". I can see the Royal Hotel from my house which must make me a local-ish. They can be a bit insular in Dungworth.

I was at a less well-known sing last night. There was a genuine song-carrier(or source singer)there; a number of folkies; at least three singers from the Sheffield Philharmonic Chorus; a member of a cathedral choir; some well-known folkies and their parents; a well-known folkie without his parents (!!) and about ten people who live within a mile of the pub who learnt the songs at childhood and they are now around 70.

Last year I interviewed a man from Ireland who had come over for the carol festival. The one thing he wanted to emphasise above all else was the sense of community. Take n notice of what people tell you, it is open to all with an interest in singing.

just a shame it's so far away really.

Unless you are in Australia - it isn't!!

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 07:33 AM

"What I heard was that the carols had been taken over by folk revivalists and was more about them than the local communities. Looking at that link that doesn't seem to be so much the case, though that was some time ago"

Ian Russell runs a carols festival every other year, with workshops that teach the carols. That is attended by a lot of revivalists, but it has also helped to re-introduce carols from the surviving manuscripts, some of which had previously fallen out of the repertoire. But that's only one day, every other year. The pubs that host carols are rammed for four or five Sundays leading up to Christmas, and it's a real mixure of locals and folk enthusiasts. (Sometimes the two things are not mutially exclusive.)

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 08 Dec 09 - 06:45 AM

What I heard was that the carols had been taken over by folk revivalists and was more about them than the local communities. Looking at that link that doesn't seem to be so much the case, though that was some time ago. As I say - looks like a lot of fun; just a shame it's so far away really.

*

The Billy Harrison / Jim Eldon cassette was on Music Traditions. Here's the review: http://www.mustrad.org.uk/reviews/harrison.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Folkiedave
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:36 AM

And I thought I saw a piece about Cranbrook too!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Folkiedave
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:35 AM

Just stuff I've heard down the years from various old folkie friends who have been made to feel less than welcome. From what I've seen & heard of it myself it looks jolly enough fun.

I have been going to Dungworth, most sings since 1973, so I now count as one of the old fogies.

We have welcomed dozens upon dozens of friends old and new over the years and from all parts of the Uk and the world. Three came back for soup and sandwiches yesterday afternoon, along with some others we had already invited. I do this most Sundays (unless we have previous invitations ourselves. They were total strangers at the start of the day. So I do resent the suggestion that people are unwelcoming.

However Barry Callaghan published a guide to etiquette. I quote from it "......but if ten strangers appear in the middle of the room taking up valuable singing space, they will quickly feel uncomfortable."

I have certainly seen this happen including this year(!!)(which is why it is in the guide). I just wonder if this is what your friends did perhaps?

http://www.folk-network.com/info/carols.html

The piece about etiquette is at the bottom.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:07 AM

Well, there can be certain modes of behaviour that develop around these things - there might be an element of "you can't sit there, that's so-and-so's chair", but I always think that when traditions really belong to a community, we "folkies" are basically tourists, and it's incumbent upon us to understand that and be respectful and try not to tread on anyone's toes. But having said all that, I can think of traditional events that are FAR more insular than Sheffield Carols. I've never observed anyone being made to feel unwelcome. But it is a pretty catch-as-catch-can experience, with everyone cheek-by-jowl, and the struggle to get to the bar or the loo can be a bit of a trial. If visitors go expecting lots of people sitting round singing politely as though they're in church, they might be in for a shock.

Re Holy Heathens: there are lots of versions of While Shepherds in the Sheffield tradition - i'm pretty sure that's one of them.

Wasn't there a post here a little while ago about the bloke who wrote Cranbrook? Or did I dream it?

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 10:40 AM

Just stuff I've heard down the years from various old folkie friends who have been made to feel less than welcome. From what I've seen & heard of it myself it looks jolly enough fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 10:32 AM

"word is the Carol Scene is even more up itself than the regular folk scene"

Ummm - in what way? You wedge yourself into the pub with about 150 other people, and you sing. I did it yesterday. You can buy a book of words if you want to, as many of the carols are not sung anywhere else, and no one looks at you askance if you use them. Pretty egalitarian, as these things go.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 10:01 AM

Sweeney: the version of While Shepherds Watched on Holy Heathens is one of the Sheffield Carols, surely? Did they get it from Jim Eldon?

The Holy Heathens CD booklet credits the tune source to Jim Eldon, who got it from Billy Harrison, though no mention is made of Billy here, unfortunately - nor yet of Sheffield. Don't know what gets sung in Sheffield - word is the Carol Scene is even more up itself than the regular folk scene if that's possible. I wonder if Jim still has copies of the Billy Harrison cassette? If so I urge you to check it out - it really is the real McCoy.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 07:17 AM

MtheGM - it SHOULD work really well: I think I'm right i nsaying that the tune, Cranbrook, was actually written for While Shepherds Watched. Ilkley Moor came later and borrowed it! :)

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 04:21 AM

One Yorks group I know always sing While Shepherds Watched to tune of On Ilkley Moor Baht 'At — fits beautifully.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Dec 09 - 03:04 AM

Sweeney: the version of While Shepherds Watched on Holy Heathens is one of the Sheffield Carols, surely? Did they get it from Jim Eldon?

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 10:58 PM

I'd be quite satisfied with a mere 400 quid and some shortbread, Toe Rag. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 11:58 AM

Shirkey Collins? Yeah, she was some gal that one...

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 06 Dec 09 - 11:57 AM

Though no great fan of No Roses, on which Shirkey Collins first coins the name Albion Country Band, I dearly love The Battle of the Field after which All Things Albion leave me rather cold to be honest, but such in English Folk Rock - IMHO possibly the worst music in the world, Mr Fox and Bright Phoebus notwithstanding.

At Xmas, folk-wise at least, I might reach for the Waterson Carthy Holy Heathens album, or better still the cassette Jim Eldon made with Billy Harrison (from which comes the tune Waterson Carthy use for While Shepherds...). Billy furnished Jim Eldon with an amazing tune for For Unto Us A Child Is Born but didn't have the words, so Jim assembled them himself from the Gospel of St. Matthew. To hear this truly astonishing & uplifting piece of work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSeEsS6-HGQ

If that doesn't get you in the Xmas spirit, nothing will!

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Ed T
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 11:13 AM

On Mall Santas:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ6fdTU0qEo

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 10:10 AM

I'll have about £250, please, ToeRag — ahould just about tide me over the weekend. Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: ToeRag
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 08:00 AM

Under the impression that they scarce'ley furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude, a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth.
We chose this time, because' it is a time, of all others, when want is keenly felt and abundance rejoi'ces. What shall I put you down for.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 07:35 AM

A Merry Albion Christmas

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: artbrooks
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 07:18 AM

Fa-la-la...urk

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 06:44 AM

IKEA - Glugg :)

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 04:00 AM

Things do seem a tad demure this year on the Luminos front; even those houses which were blazing last year are fielding but a single paltry santa. Could it be that we've passed the Golden Age of house illumination? Will earnest Folkies be writing songs about how good the old ones really were?

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Folkiedave
Date: 05 Dec 09 - 03:56 AM

In the USA I was amazed by the number of houses that were lit up with complicated lighting covering all the usual themes. This including skiing.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 07:27 AM

PS:

At the time the "Festive Lights" industry was going into overdrive and every third house in town seemed to be lit up like Blackpool Illuminations (or Las Vegas).

Before moving to Lancashire we lived in the comparative wilds of The Deerness Valley in Durham where erstwhile colliery villages stripped of their raison d'être remain in bleak isolation from the amenities of the city with little by way of the bucolic picturesque to compensate, especially in the bleak midwinter. In such places "Festive Lights" take on a surreal almost menacing quality, something I tried to capture in my wee film Luminos which can be seen on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBKpUHFe1BU

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 07:15 AM

Thanks for that, Ivan. A fine piece of work, although the truth of the Santa-on-a-Cross is open to some debate. There's a nice piece on it HERE which is worth a look. The folklore of it remains as profound as ever.

As I mentioned above, Father Christmas is derived in part from Odin,

Oh yeah? This has echoes of The Fall's Fantastic Life (just look at that picture of Lard / Marc Riley! What a star...) in which Mark E. Smith sings:

The Siberian mushroom Santa
Was in fact Rasputin's brother
And he didst walk round Whitechapel
To further the religion of forgiven sin murder
Fantastic lie!

Derived from Odin?? A fantastic (and indeed Frazerian) lie indeed!!

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 06:11 AM

Maybe the Japanese know more than you think.

As I mentioned above, Father Christmas is derived in part from Odin, "him dat hang on tree". (The Play o' de Lathie Odivere)

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: GUEST,Ivan
Date: 04 Dec 09 - 05:35 AM

I wrote a song a few years ago which seems to fit with some of the comments her. At the time the "Festive Lights" industry was going into overdrive and every third house in town seemed to be lit up like Blackpool Illuminations (or Las Vegas).

The Japanese part of the story that inspired the song is allegedly true.

Lost in Translation

It's Christmas time in Tokyo and the neon lights shine bright
There's a buzz in the air and the stores are full for it's nearly Xmas night
And the shop staff put the finishing touch to a tableau in the store
An artwork to capture Christmas like nothing has before
But somewhere in translation the message has been lost
For they're nailing Father Christmas to a cross
Yes somewhere in translation the message has been lost
And they're nailing Father Christmas to a cross.

In an English winter night the frost is hanging in the air
And it brings a shimmer to the flashing lights appearing everywhere
And there's no wise man could see a star for they all have been outshone
As each and every house it seems must outdo the neighbouring one
In the glare of illumination the message has been lost
And they're just nailing Father Christmas to a cross
In the glare of illumination the message has been lost
It's just like nailing Father Christmas to a cross.

Happy Yuletide, seasons greetings and, of course, joyous Noel
Here comes Santa with a sack of goodies and Rudolph's there as well
With Xboxes and DVDs to bring us holiday fun
There's a story about a baby too but I can't recall which one
For it's been two thousand years and more and the message has been lost
And we're just nailing Father Christmas to a cross
Yes it's been two thousand years and more and the message has been lost
Now we're all nailing Father Christmas to a cross
Yes we're just nailing Father Christmas to a cross.

Copyright Ivan McKeon 2005

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 11:29 PM

IKEA - Christmas tins of Anna's Pepparkakor, surely!

Ross

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 10:16 AM

After reading over this thread I started to watch TV ads just to see whether Christmas was missing. I usually hit the MUTE button before the screaming starts. Maybe Maine is the exception but Christmas sales are going on here everywhere. Remy's has forced me back to the MUTE button so my research is over.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 04:19 AM

Aye, some of my best friends visit churches.

He says, trying to keep on thread.

Don't worry, Xmas will soon be over and the thread will wander off till this time next year, when we can all point out that;

Xmas is what you want it to be
or
Xmas is what you remember it to be
or
Xmas is a hang over of old Pagan rituals
or
Xmas is something to do with the little baby Jesus
or
Xmas is a marketing campaign for Mammon
or
Xmas is a marketing campaign for the little baby Jesus
or
Xmas is related to alcohol
or
Xmas is related to er... relatives

Anyway, measured the turkey, measured the new Aga and         bugger.

Knew I shouldn't have applied to become middle class.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Folkiedave
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 03:22 AM

Some of my best friends visit Meadowhall.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 03 Dec 09 - 03:13 AM

"Echoes of the Festive Subway perhaps?"

As a dedicated follower of human & cultural resonance I find it highly significant that a few days after eating my first Festive Subway I read of Joy Division being fed on basically the same thing some 32 years earlier for the recording of their debut EP. I might add that whilst much early / unofficial / bootleg material from the Joy Division archive has passed through my hands in the last 31 years, it's not until we bought the Heart and Soul box set a few weeks back that I came to appreciate the genius of the tracks they recorded for An Ideal for Living. Such things are part of my cultural folklore; I find them invigorating on every possible level - religious / seasonal / ceremonial etc. - and find it highly significant when Subway start serving up what is basically Xmas Dinner Leftovers in sandwich form, thus confirming something truly wondrous and bringing back to the freezing, impoverished Xmasses of yore.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 10:59 AM

Puritans

We lived next door to the famous White Church in Lytham a couple of years back whilst selling our house in Durham; never went in it though until one day back in the summer. Puritans! Even stained glass celebrating Cromwell and Pilgrim Fathers. I offended the guide by falling about in hysterics that such anal-bollox should be celebrated with such earnest righteousness. Interesting building to live next door too though - it serves as a lighthouse for safe navigation along the Ribble estuary & - irony of irony - features on many Christmas cards by of the Traditionally Picturesque!

Ikea

All our book & CD shelves are from IKEA - likewise our coffee table - in a range called LEKSVIK - psuedo-rustica, but nice enough. We've also got a 5x5 Expedit which is so big it saved rebuilding the dividing wall knocked through by the previous owners. We still think of ourselves as essentially nomadic as neither of us has lived anywhere for longer than 6 years since leaving our respective childhood homes, so I'm always loathed to do anything too structural to a house. Though, as I say, I do wish I'd put the stove in back in the autumn. The Grotto Effect is due to a lifetime's meticulous curation of clutter as celebrated on the Cluttering - A Celebration thread - a natural reaction to all these de-cluttering threads that crop u rom time to time!

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 10:55 AM

Folkie Dave got a bit confused I reckon about my comment re Meadowhall. Yes, it does have an interchange etc.

Your original comment was disparaging of the place despite having never set foot inside.

A bit like me really. I am not a Christian yet unashamedly protest about religion affecting my life.   

Reminds me (trying to keep a Xmas angle here) of my youngest years ago claiming he didn't like brussel sprouts, yet he had never tried them.

Meadowhall. The cathedral you can enter without having to smile, be sanctimonious or claim it is the only cathedral.   Praise be!

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 10:46 AM

Hadn't thought about the Pilgrim Fathers bit.

Yeah, we exported a set of stiff idiots and they infiltrated The Americas, eventually settling in Dumbfuckistan, where they multiplied. Sorry and all that. I enjoy visiting New England, (mainly to ski at Killington) and meet with some very nice people.

One of the Pilgrims, the Brewster fellow, comes from near me. When I look in a 10 mile radius, we have William Brewster and The Wesleys. Yet most people hereabouts are (fairly) rational. So it can't be something in the water then?

ME? I just enjoy drinking in The Pilgrim Fathers pub, knowing that the only building named for him is the sort he wouldn't have approved of.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 10:05 AM

"We like IKEA too, as much for the fish & chips as the flat-pack crap with with we furnish our home (the odd antique notwithstanding)"

Your house (from the photys & tubeys you've posted) looks like a magic grotto. The only stuff from IKEA I really fancy is their err 'storage solutions' so I could get my tonnes of stuff tidied up. Otherwise I don't dig the new and spartan thing much at all (echoes of Fight Club).

I don't really have the cash for proper antiques, but I do love tatty second hand stuff. By far the best bit of junk I bought lately was a large solid pine welsh dresser from one of the smellier charity shops, cost me £40 (period gaudy orange varnish at no extra cost) I was well chuffed, so functional & useful - plus the cats like to use it as a climbing frame.

I was planning to strip it, or do something Jocasta-Inneseque with it, but the sheer nostalgia of that classic seventies toffee-apple coating has thus far made me resist any attempts to aesthetically 'improve' it.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 09:39 AM

England had their version of right wing fundamentalist Christians who banned Christmas celebrations and decorations because they felt it was a despicable drunken way to honor Jesus. After a while the people got so fed up with that brand of religion they cast out these zealots. England got their Christmas parties back. These purists had to sail to the New World to guarantee their serious practice of religion and Christmas.

Well Thanks alot England. These Puritans are still here in one form or another and are still a big pain in the ass.

The irony is that Commercial Christmas here goes beyond anything the early Puritans could have imagined.

A cranky yankee
from Maryland.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 09:33 AM

"We like IKEA too, as much for the fish & chips.......

Meatballs surely?"


Daim Bar Cake, surely??

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Folkiedave
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 09:28 AM

We like IKEA too, as much for the fish & chips.......

Meatballs surely?

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 08:47 AM

We used to use Meadowhall as service station on forays up & down the M1 when we lived in Durham - just as we used to hit The Trafford Centre en route to Les's singaround at The Beech - the first being two years ago, being hungry en route & unsure of the Chorlton amenities. Though we no longer attend the Beech sing (which is no longer the necessity it once was having discovered The Moorbrook in Preston which is the finest sing / session in the world bar none), once every eight weeks or so we might head for the Trafford Centre after a jaunt to Manchester for a rake around in the warm of a winter's night - or the dry of a summer's.

I doubt I'd be doing this on my own, but after 10 years Rapunzel & I still very much in love and enjoy romantic Subways, going to see Harry Potter films (and District 9), and looking at stuff in the shops we'll later buy at half the price on-line. We like IKEA too, as much for the fish & chips as the flat-pack crap with with we furnish our home (the odd antique notwithstanding) but quite honestly Christmas wouldn't be Christmas without The Trafford Centre.

Another of my Festive Reads this year: Vic Reeves' Vast Book of World Knowledge - a more than worthy follow-up to his 1999 classic Sun Boiled Onions.

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Folkiedave
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 08:14 AM

Folkie Dave being proud that he has never been in Meadowhall, yet seems to know enough about it to comment.

It has its own transport interchange and is a train stop. It has an 11 screen cinema complex. It takes 12,000 cars parked for free. It acts as a meeting place for people coming to Sheffield because it is next to the mtorway.

Know enough about it to comment? You can hardly miss it!

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Folkiedave
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 08:12 AM

Folkie Dave being proud that he has never been in Meadowhall, yet seems to know enough about it to comment.

It has its own transport interchange and is a train stop. It has an 11 screen cinema complex. It takes 12,000 cars parked for free. It acts as a meeting place for people coming to Sheffield because it is next to the mtorway.

Know enough about it to comment? You can hardly miss it!

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 07:42 AM

Pagan Christmas

This makes a nice read at midwinter, not so much for local festival days as the pre-Christian Germanic & Scandinavian origins (and process of adoption/adaptation) of many of our current 'Christmas' traditions (particularly aromatics, supernatural beings & folk customs). Lots of lovely colourful piccies too - old postcards, adverts, woodcuts etc. Even includes incense recipes for the 'smudging nights' (lovely pragmatic quote: "if you experience psychoactive effects with incense, you have probably inhaled too much smoke").

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 07:17 AM

Wow... I read a few posts after my last one and decided to wait a while. I neither expect or deserve everybody agreeing with me but not in my wildest dreams did I expect anybody supporting Britain's Empire as being something we need back..... Hitchens does have at least one faithful reader then.

I for one do worship at the alter of Mammon, or Meadowhall as it is called in this post. I have a particular affection for the Apple Store where the prophet Steve Jobs shows us his latest shiny baubles for us to adorn our desks and pockets with, (although the collecting dish they pass around empties the old wallet.)

So... we have Hitchens hating some religions with others asking if he is qualified to speak on such matters, as he is an atheist. Folkie Dave being proud that he has never been in Meadowhall, yet seems to know enough about it to comment. And Mother Teresa...

I can say with a degree of professional confidence that I do know a bit about her establishments and if they were here in The UK and tried to register under The Care Standards Act 2000, the infection control, duty of care and governance would possibly not allow them to operate.

But hey, this is where we judge others not by our own standards but by standards we feel "good enough for others."

Which brings us back to the Empire. Oh and Bishops influencing legislation....

ZZZZZZZZZ

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 07:17 AM

"Echoes of the Festive Subway perhaps?"


Sweeney - you crack me up. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Christmas? A rant
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 06:30 AM

Those lyrics are a might festive too:

Born from some mother's womb,
Just like any other room.
Made a promise for a new life.
Made a victim out of your life.

When your time's on the door,
And it drips to the floor,
And you feel you can touch,
All the noise is too much,
And the seeds that are sown,
Are no longer your own.

Just a minor operation,
To force a final ultimatum.
Thousand words are spoken loud,
Reach the dumb to fool the crowd.

When you walk down the street,
And the sound's not so sweet,
And you wish you could hide,
Maybe go for a ride,
To some peep show arcade,
Where the future's not made.

A nightmare situation,
Infiltrate imagination,
Smacks of past Holy wars,
By the wall with broken laws.

The leaders of men,
Born out of your frustration.
The leaders of men,
Just a strange infatuation.
The leaders of men,
Made a promise for a new life.
No saviour for our sakes,
To twist the internees of hate,
Self induced manipulation,
To crush all thoughts of mass salvation.