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Subject: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 13 Mar 12 - 05:31 AM The Coalition of Resistance has produced some excellent badges with the slogan: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts'. If, like me, you believe that the our society is being devastated by this tawdry and unmandated government and that it is sick to be spending millions to celebrate the anachronistic, socially devise and corrupt monarchy, especially in these times, you can buy your badges here and show your anger publicly: http://www.coalitionofresistance.org.uk/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 13 Mar 12 - 05:32 AM Somehow an extra 'l' crept into the title there: oops! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: banjoman Date: 13 Mar 12 - 06:12 AM The Jubilee is yet another attempt to hide what is really going on in this country. Just like the royal wedding - its a sop to the growing masses of unemployed and destitute. I for one will avoid anything to do with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: Nigel Parsons Date: 13 Mar 12 - 06:15 AM If, however, you support the Monarchy, you will be able to get suitable badges anywhere. I'm not quite sure what is meant by a "socially devise and corrupt monarchy" but I'm sure it's not meant as a compliment. It would be very difficult to calculate the cost/benefit ratio for the celebration of the Queen's Diamond Jubilee, but it will generate income from tourism, sale of memorabilia etc. And the feel-good factor will be another intangible benefit. Will those supporting the coalition of resistance insist on going in to work on Tuesday June 5th? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: John MacKenzie Date: 13 Mar 12 - 06:21 AM Oh dear, someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning. It will bring joy to millions, and as such, I'm not about to diss it. There are many worse things going on in this world, and many bigger wastes of money. Like the olympics for instance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: Richard Bridge Date: 13 Mar 12 - 06:52 AM I suspect the jubilee will be the usual pile of tawdry sentimental tosh, but I do think that Ms Piggy has played a good hand over the years, sometimes in times of constitutional difficulty. I also suspect (particularly now that she pays tax) that she is a lot cheaper than a president of the USA, and given some of the idiots and thieves propelled into presidential positions around the world from time to time, one should be very careful what one wished for if planning to replace the monarchy. I cannot see her being anything like as divisive as our present illegitimate bunch of Etonians - but I concede that her mother was a nasty fascist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:02 AM "Will those supporting the coalition of resistance insist on going in to work on Tuesday June 5th?" Well I won't.I don't see why the monarchists should have all the benefits. I may, however, be attending an 'anti-jubilee' party. "I'm not quite sure what is meant by a "socially devise and corrupt monarchy" " They support an anachronistic class system and inherited privilege and use their unelected influence to further their own ends. "Oh dear, someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning" No, I'm this grumpy every morning ;( |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:03 AM ???, Richard. Her aunt-by-marriage [& uncle too, for sure]. But her mother, the late Queen Mo? What justification for such an accusation? I remember her during the War as anything-but... ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:04 AM "one should be very careful what one wished for if planning to replace the monarchy" I don't want to replace it, Richard, I want to abolish it - along with government and the state. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:06 AM leveller, still don't know what 'socially devise' is meant to mean. 'Devise' what, socially? If you mean 'divisive', why not say so? You are not ignorant, is my impression ~~ however - ah - misguided sometimes, let us say! ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:07 AM BTW ~~ only one 'l' in 'jubilee'! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:20 AM You're right MthGM - wrong word. "BTW ~~ only one 'l' in 'jubilee'" See my sedcond post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:27 AM "sedcond" Fuck! Having a bad eye day - might need to go to big screen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:28 AM Well, our little village is planning a lovely day for all ages, but especially for the children and oldsters. There will be a hog-roast, art competition, little majorettes, a maypole, nostalgic films and photos, presentations of prizes for sack races etc by the oldest inhabitants (90 and 93 yrs old!) and even a horse-drawn cart with two children dressed as HM and HRH. It finishes with a grand tug-o-war. Each child will receive a commemorative medal engraved with the name of our village and the date. I'm a member of the committee, and we're all very excited and looking forward to it tremendously. About 400 folk will be there. Where is the harm in all this? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:37 AM The harm in it is that I feel like throwing up when I read your post! Nothing personal you understand! I still have my Stuff The Jubilee badge from 1977. I remember marching through London chanting "Cut the jubilee, not the schools!" The whole bloody thing is a massive, cynical publicity stunt to bolster that bunch of royal parasites. Shame on anyone who stuffs it down kids' throats! It's as bad as forcing the poor little buggers to Sunday School! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:40 AM There are many in the Royal Family who shouldn't be there at all. There is much wrong with the system, but there is one person who is working his butt off trying to get the World to WAKE UP! And I have a great deal of respect for him...because without our Rainforests, the Amazon in particular, we are dead, as a species.... So, let's save Prince Charles and relax a little, enjoy the Jubilee..but I agree 100% with the NO CUTS! :0) Prince Charles at Zeitgeist Europe 2009 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:44 AM Oh dear, such vituperative opinions. Never mind, it will all be over after a few days. Perhaps you could go abroad for the Duration? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:45 AM LISTEN to that speech above, Steve...then think again.... Think of the tens of thousands of young people The Princes Trust has helped through the decades, many of whom now run their own businesses, ONLY because of Prince Charles and his determination to help. Think of Princess Diana and how she made AIDS patients 'huggable' rather than lepers... There is good and bad everywhere.. Princess Anne does a great deal too, but because she's not 'acceptably beautiful' she's left out and not reported on. They could sit back on their backsides and do nothing, many of them do, and those that do should be removed from everyting 'royal'...but there are some within that family, the Queen included, who have given their lives to their country, doing jobs they may not otherwise have ever done... The Queen, even in her 80s is still out there working, working, working...I did not approve of her not paying tax, or her behaviour over Windsor Castle or Diana and some other things, but in general she has spent her entire life, since her early 20s serving this country..and maybe, just maybe, she needs and deserves some recognition for that fact... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:52 AM Blimey, Prince Charlie is the biggest tosser of the lot! And that much-revered new Princess or Duchess, whatever she is, of ours hasn't done a day's honest work in her life! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: Nigel Parsons Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:59 AM If we're going for wrong spellings ... Stuff the Jubbly Cheers Nigel |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 13 Mar 12 - 08:01 AM No, he is NOT, Steve! LEARN about what he does! LEARN about how DESPERATE he is right now, right this very moment about The Rainforest and what is happening over there.... And, for your information, I've just rung Buckingham Palace with a view to asking Prince Charles if he can somehow start to organize a Concert of 'Live Aid' proportions, here and in the USA to get people to wake UP to what is happening over there! The lady I spoke to was lovely, sounded as passionate as me, told me how DEEPLY pasisonate Prince Charles is about this and gave me the name and address of his Private Secretary, so that I can write to him... Brazil wants to build SIXTY fecking dams in the Amazon. The Belo Monte Dam, the third biggest in the world, is, as I write, already under construction, against massive worldwide outcry and despite many lawsuits still outstanding. They are also going against the United Nations and Amnesty International, with genocide being visited upon the Indigenous People of the Amazon who rely on The Xingu River, the main river they're diverting for this dam, for their LIVES! Belo Monte will also be the world's most INefficient dam!! China is after the power from all these mega-dams, they will soon be after the water too... And I write this today from Great Britain where, just a few weeks back a DROUGHT SUMMIT was held, where DROUGHT has already been declared in the South of England and where shortly 1 in 3 households will be facing a hose-pipe ban... China's dam, The Three Gorges, is the biggest in the world and it is causing HUGE environmental problems, massive droughts being one of them.... Prince Charles is working his backside off to change this, to stop this, to get people to realise that this is the single most important issue ON THE PLANET Tell me...what the FUCK are you doing about this?????????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 13 Mar 12 - 08:07 AM Did you know he HAD a Rainforst Project going? Did you know he brought in masses of famous people to help? Probably not, because all his life long he's had to battle against a Media which portrays him as a plonker, when, of all the Royal Family, Charles is probably the one who thinks more deeply about this planet than all the rest of them put together... Do not think this problem is not real...it is VERY REAL and it is STARING us ALL in the face, but we are all so fooked up now that we carry on arguing over petty things which do not matter, rather than coming together to save the very thing which enables us to survive, as a Species... Hymn to the Rainforest - From The Prince's Rainforest Project |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 13 Mar 12 - 08:09 AM Wikipedia on the Duchess of Cambridge ~In November 2006, Middleton accepted a position as an accessory buyer with the clothing chain Jigsaw. She also worked part-time until January 2011 as a catalogue photographer, webpage designer and marketing officer for her parents' firm "Party Pieces". In 2008, it was reported that she had quit her job at Jigsaw to become a professional photographer, intending to take private classes These seem to me to be perfectly 'honest' occupations, Steve, productive within the economy, requiring as much dedication, effort and application as any non-manual form of labour, and in no way to be contemned. What on earth did you mean by your ill-natured and impertinent observation above? Or is only something done by horny-handed socialist-voting sons-of-toil 'honest' work in your lefty-wanker vocabulary? In which case, be off and commune with yourself and the rest of you selfrighteous pillocks over there; and stop boring the rest of us into coniptions, please. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: Richard Bridge Date: 13 Mar 12 - 08:22 AM Actually I think that Big-ears' heart is in some respects in the right place even if he does not always think things completely through. Some other parts of his anatomy however I gather had uses that were not circumspect. Queen mother? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mandrake/3502343/Queen-Mothers-political-influence-over-George-VI.html http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/2309/full There are many anecdotes about her ready acceptance of privilege and scorn for those who had not benefitted from it. |
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Subject: LyrAdd: Stuff the Jubillee From: Nigel Parsons Date: 13 Mar 12 - 09:08 AM As this is primarily a music site: STUFF THE JUBILEE Nigel Parsons (Thoughts articulated below are not necessarily those of the author!) Tune (As if you need to ask):Battle Hymn of the Republic Co'lition of Resistance, they say "Stuff the Jubilee" Anything the royals do is not for you and me. The Queen makes lot of money, and all of it Tax Free Vive la the revolution. Hurrah; Hurrah; say "Stuff the Jubilee" Hurrah; Hurrah; let's end the Monarchy I can't improve my standing, so drag others down to me! Vive la the revolution. Charlie boy's a ******, and they say he talks to trees. Philip does just what he wants, and says just as he please. Why should I pay taxes to support the likes of these? Vive la the revolution. Edward (VIII) was a dilettante who couldn't stop the war Abdicated just in time; with Wallis, who's a divorcee* Nobody can tell me what the Monarchy is for, Vive la the revolution. Maybe we're fools, rushing in where angels fear to tread. Michael Fagan was a man who saw the Queen in bed. Maybe 'Froggies' got it right, It's "Off with every head!" Vive la the revolution. * I'm sure I could have made this rhyme/scan, the mot juste escapes me Cheers Nigel |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 13 Mar 12 - 09:27 AM Charlie-boy is a bully, like his father, who uses his position and influence to get his own way (as in the Chelsea Barracks debacle). The Windsors have a large and well-oiled PR organisation which constantly pumps out disinformation about what a good job they are doing. But what is that job? They have no job descriptions, undergo no scrutiny and no appraisal of what they do. As to their working hard – do they work harder than nurses, street cleaners, care workers.....etc.? Mark Bolland, former press secretary to Charlie, is on record as saying: "the Windsors are very good at working three days a week, five months of the year and making it look as though they work hard". Lizzie, Charlie may have causes he espouses and he could continue to do this even if the monarchy was abolished. But there are many 'unsung' people and organisations that work far harder. One example! At this moment I'm doing some work for an organisation you'll never have heard of that creates microfinance for underprivileged people and small businesses across the world, providing the small loans they need to continue the work that feeds themselves and their families, but which aren't available elsewhere. So far, this organisation has raised in excess of £500 million from individual 'ethical' investors (who will see only a small return of, say 1%, if any at all). This has enabled them to help over 26 million people, especially empowering women and generating fair trade. But, like I said, unlike young Mr Windsor, you won't have heard of them. The point is that the monarchy is unelected, unaccountable and unnecessary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 13 Mar 12 - 09:35 AM Richard ~ Thanks for links re Queen Mother. Can find not a jot or scintilla of anything anywhere within them which would justify an accusation of 'fascism' within any meaningful sense of the word whatever. Interested you fall back on the word 'anecdote': an accusation 'anecdotal' in the extreme, it seems to me. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: John MacKenzie Date: 13 Mar 12 - 09:43 AM Isn't it nice to live in a country where we can spout our prejudices in public, and not fear the early morning, knock on the door. How unlike those lucky totalitarian socialist republics, around the world. I say, hands up who wants to go live in China? All those in favour say, Ai Weiwei. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 13 Mar 12 - 09:58 AM Sorry, John, who said anything about totalitarian socialist republics? Not me! I am not a totalitarian or a socialist - and only loosely a republican in that I'm anti-monarchy. And, the way things are going (see thread about the olympics) I wonder how long we'll be able to spout our 'prejudices' (by which, I presume you mean 'opinions')in public or anywhere. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 13 Mar 12 - 10:19 AM Spouting my "prejudices" about unilateral nuclear disarmament in the 1980s got my phone tapped. The police in Loughton also "secretly" filmed us at our weekly CND stall from the roof of the police station. No room for complacency. Just because I was paranoid it didn't mean they weren't out to get me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 13 Mar 12 - 10:21 AM Actually, levels, I wish Charles were king. I love the way he now speaks out about things which upset him..and having looked at the Chelsea Barracks info, good for him! He loathes modern architecture, so if he found out that the architect involved was going to build a bloody great monstrosity on the site, well done for him writing to the Qatar Royal family about it. That's not bullying, for heaven's sake... If they then backed down, not wanting to upset him, great! The world has one less hideous building to worry about. Charles is a great believer in ugly architeture affecting how people feel. He loves beauty, and there's nowt wrong with that.. You're doing great work too..and like Charles, I wish everyone got to hear about more of it. Sadly, the media only like to paint him as a numpty, so I've no doubt he gets as frustrated as you at times. I recently found a video where he was saying that he thought one of the reasons he'd been born into the life he has was so that he could do good things, try and spread good messages about. Personally, I think he'd be far happier living an 'ordinary' life, with an allotment and a pretty garden....but even if he 'walked away' from being Royal he'd still be hounded and belittled... Great shame..because his heart is most definitely for this planet, for its' future, for his children's future, and for the future of your children too.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: Richard Bridge Date: 13 Mar 12 - 10:51 AM Big-ears was totally right about Chelsea barracks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: John MacKenzie Date: 13 Mar 12 - 10:57 AM Well if you don't have a monarchy what do you have instead? Before you mention presidents, go look up what it costs the US in security cover for presidents, past and present. They still have security even after they leave office you know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubillee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 13 Mar 12 - 11:16 AM Lizzie and Richard, regarding Chelsea barracks, that was just his opinion. Others thought differently. He's entitled to his opinion but not to use his position and influence to put it above anyone else's. That IS bullying, just as much as a big boy in the playground beating up a smaller one in order to say what game is played. There have been many more instances. The only way to beat a bully is to stand up against him - and that's what people should be doing with Charlie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 13 Mar 12 - 11:51 AM John, as I've said somewhere else (can't recall where just now)I want to abolish the monarchy, not replace it. I also want to abolish central government and the state, so there would be no need for a head of state. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Big Al Whittle Date: 13 Mar 12 - 12:48 PM I dunno - seems to me someone responsible for a bloody monstrosity like Poundbury should have a little more humility when he's giving it large about architecture. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: John MacKenzie Date: 13 Mar 12 - 02:08 PM Well that won't work. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Dave the Gnome Date: 13 Mar 12 - 05:08 PM Mmmm - Not sure. As much as I think too much is made of the posh bint at buck house and her loony offspring I must admit that they do seem good for tourism. As I think I have suggested before it could be FAR better managed though. Imagine if Disney got hold of it! Now, that would be a money spinner :-) As to teh Jubbly - Well. it ain't their fault. It aint ours either so, lets just make the most of it and get pissed with the rest of the rabble... As to the architecture bit. Well, after all, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Why should I take more notice of Charlie boy than anyone else when, at the end of it, I am quite capable of deciding what I like for myself. Unlike some people. DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Big Al Whittle Date: 13 Mar 12 - 05:26 PM Well yes.....but its when you see Poundbury - you can see what he's got in mind for all of us. A sort of amalgam of Clough Eliis and Albert Speer - really iredeemably vulgar and out of place in Dorset counytryside - then you realise he's got a real bloody cheek to be slagging off proper architects who are no doubt working in a very restricted way, in tight economic conditions. I don't know any architects persoanlly. But I think they've made a better job of the rest of England than he has with a massive budget, and complete artistic freedom. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:03 PM So the Royal Riffraff attract tourists, huh? This load of predigested nonsense is trotted out year after year, mostly by apologists for the royal parasites. Well, it ain't true. Only one royal residence makes it into the top 20, and royal residences contribute less than 1% of tourist revenue. http://www.republic.org.uk/What%20we%20want/In%20depth/Tourism/index.php |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:22 PM MtheGM wrote: Wikipedia on the Duchess of Cambridge ~In November 2006, Middleton accepted a position as an accessory buyer with the clothing chain Jigsaw. She also worked part-time until January 2011 as a catalogue photographer, webpage designer and marketing officer for her parents' firm "Party Pieces". In 2008, it was reported that she had quit her job at Jigsaw to become a professional photographer, intending to take private classes These seem to me to be perfectly 'honest' occupations, Steve, productive within the economy, requiring as much dedication, effort and application as any non-manual form of labour, and in no way to be contemned. What on earth did you mean by your ill-natured and impertinent observation above? Or is only something done by horny-handed socialist-voting sons-of-toil 'honest' work in your lefty-wanker vocabulary? In which case, be off and commune with yourself and the rest of you selfrighteous pillocks over there; and stop boring the rest of us into coniptions, please. Well, you managed to "accidentally" leave out the bit at the end, didn't you? For clarity, here's the whole wiki entry, including the somewhat sorry bit you didn't feel you wanted us to see: Career In November 2006, Middleton accepted a position as an accessory buyer with the clothing chain Jigsaw.[24] She also worked part-time until January 2011 as a catalogue photographer, webpage designer and marketing officer for her parents' firm "Party Pieces". In 2008, it was reported that she had quit her job at Jigsaw to become a professional photographer, intending to take private classes with photographer Mario Testino, who had taken several well-known photographs of Diana, Princess of Wales and her sons.[25] Testino later denied that Middleton was going to be working for him.[26] Not much of a "career", then, was it! Bitty or what! By all means supply partial information in order to convince us of your view, but I might suggest that, in so doing, you would be well advised to leave the contumely at home. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Richard Bridge Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:46 PM No, Big ears was right about Chelsea Barracks. What went on next was not a lot better, but he was right. Thank goodness he was able to defeat the forces of Mammon even if only for a moment. Poundbury, unlike vainglory architecture, returns building to a human scale. It may not be perfect but the concept is right. It reminds me a lot of the estates still respected today created by the Victorian philanthropic capitalists. His poncey groceries, while expensive, also have a lot to recommend them and the "Duchy Originals" beer is nice too. And he had the good taste to drive a beautifully restored Lagonda rather than an Aston. Far too good a man for St Diana the martyr. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Richard Bridge Date: 13 Mar 12 - 07:52 PM PS - now which of the 3 Degrees did he invite to dinner - only to insist that she called him "Sir"? Now that was unforgivable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Richard Bridge Date: 13 Mar 12 - 08:03 PM By the way, M the GM. Some stuff from the net: "Perhaps the most interesting example is the Queen Mother, regarded by many as a stalwart in the fight against German Fascism. In fact she was an advocate of appeasment and a Hitler sympathiser and it has been suggested that she was so bigotted and prejudiced that she had to be prevented from giving interviews until she (finally) popped her clogs." "The Queen Mother was a racist snob who excelled in extravagant living. Amid all the grovelling, hypocritical tributes paid to her this week, here are some facts to remember. The Queen Mother referred to black people as "nig-nogs" or "blackamoors". She backed white minority rule in Rhodesia. She criticised Lord Mountbatten, viceroy of India, "for giving away the empire" and his wife because "her mother was half-Jewish". She opposed immigration, and thought black Africans incapable of running their own countries. The media call her the "nation's favourite granny", but she enjoyed luxury beyond most people's wildest dreams. The Queen Mother squandered millions on vintage champagne, racehorses and parties. She had five homes, including a Scottish castle with 25,000 acres worth £20 million." ""It is easily forgotten now, but Elizabeth was one of the staunchest supporters of appeasing Adolph Hitler. She bent over backwards to use her influence to stop Britain going to war against the Nazis, and she saw Churchill as a dangerous ally of her brother-in-law Edward. When Chamberlain returned, famously, with Hitler's meaningless promise that he would not provoke a war, Elizabeth made the constitutionally unprecedented decision to appear alongside Chamberlain on the Buckingham Palace balcony, thus putting her personal stamp of approval on the obscene policy of appeasing fascism."" http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/Monckton.html I can go on, but I don't really need to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 13 Mar 12 - 08:39 PM By the way, MtheGM, man of clever words, if you're going to use "conniptions" fer chrissake spell it right! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 14 Mar 12 - 02:11 AM coniption fit When a person goes into a fit of rage, such as a spaz attack. Urban Dictionary ~~~ Obviously one of those words with permissible alternative spellings. 'Bitty' a subjective view re Kate's career; but you were right about 'accidental': I hilited ineptly; but can't see where the part I left out so much of a knockdown argument for you; she went on developing presumably, even without the the o-so-obviously indispensable auspices of whoever it was.In fact, looking again, it is ambiguous anyhow ~~ could be read that she took some classes with him, but did not subsequently continue to work with him. Suggest you read it again. Anyhow, surely even a 'bitty' career is no justification for emotive & tendentious assertion that someone has never done an honest days work in her life. Richard ~ thanks for link re Queen Mother. Who the author? How he purport to know her, & her innermost thoughts, so well & intimately? I do not deny force of info offered, but merely curious as to source. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 14 Mar 12 - 02:15 AM Sorry ~ posted too soon: was going to add that the link to Ind On Sunday piece didn't do much to answer above ?s, or provide much info re this missing Box #whatever. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Richard Bridge Date: 14 Mar 12 - 03:53 AM M the GM. I didn't check the writer's background. I just googled for Queen Mother Fascist and lots of separate items came up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 14 Mar 12 - 04:46 AM If you google my name, you'll find I am a fascist too, as someone keeps putting me on that website which is supposed to identify NF [or whatever they are called now] members ~ a Catter, I suspect, from some of the info given; with some pix copied from another online site of me and my late first wife taken at the E Anglian Writers' Forum 2005 ~ so now out of date. I used to take the trouble to email and get it taken down, but it kept reappearing; haven't bothered lately so it's probably still there. Anyhow, if I were you I shouldn't believe everything I find on google. Have you tried googling "Richard Bridge, fascist"? Best ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 14 Mar 12 - 05:10 AM Al, I so agree about Poundbury, it's an utter joke - especially the fire station, described in The Grauniad as 'Parthenon-meets-Brookside'. But whatever one thinks about individual Windsors is really beside the point - which is that the monarchy, for so many reasons, has no place in modern society. I, for one, am no-one's 'subject' and I find all the lickspittle grovelling totally nauseating. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 14 Mar 12 - 05:46 AM I think you'll find that Adolf Hitler described The Queen Mum as 'the most dangerous woman in Europe' because of the way she kept the spirits of the British People aflame, during the war... Al, I would *love* to live in Poundbury.. Poundbury...a short tour If more architects, planners, put as much thought into the people who live in a village/town, as he has, this country would be a far happier place.. Prince Charles talking about Poundbury As for 'using his influence' leveller, well, calling that 'bullying' is ridiculous. I sure as hell wish he'd use his influence on President Dilma Rousseff though, for she's about to build SIXTY dams in the Amazon Rainforest and relax the Forest Code, which is going to decimate the Rainforest as never before...and Prince Charles is working his butt off to try to stop this from happening... You dislike the Royals. Fair enough. But don't spread hatred towards Prince Charles about. He's a good man at heart and he's trying his utmost to make a difference for the BETTER for many, many people... So, are you telling me that 'using his influence' in his Princes Trust is also bullying? Hell, he's helped tens of thousands of young people to start their own businesses up...and you think this is a shitty thing? Or are you merely selective in your hatreds? Forget his family, I'm sure he'd love to...See the man and what he is doing for many people of all ages, of all backgrounds... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 14 Mar 12 - 05:47 AM Maybe, lev, or maybe not ~~ but your suggested anarchist alternative for 'modern society', of no governments or heads of state or any such, is jejune and fatuous in the extreme. Do you really think that nobody would have tried it over the past 7k or so years if it were in any way viable? Don't start off about PNG & Trobriand ~~ been demo'd time & again that Makinowski just got that wrong. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 14 Mar 12 - 05:49 AM MaLinowski, sodit... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 14 Mar 12 - 05:50 AM Sorry, Lizzie, can't stand the bloke: he's an arrogant, pompous twat. But, as I said, it's not about the personalities, it's about the institution. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 14 Mar 12 - 05:56 AM Poundbury is my idea of hell. Here's another view on it: http://www.nothingtoseehere.net/2008/11/poundbury_dorchester.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Megan L Date: 14 Mar 12 - 06:00 AM Since the first cave dwellers the strong (Physically or materially) prey upon the weak. If we get rid of royalty, if we get rid of government someone else will rise in thier place. Would the replacement be better? I doubt it power corupts and absolute power corupts absolutely. Sometimes its better the devil you know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 14 Mar 12 - 06:01 AM Well MtheGM, we could argue all day about anarchist theories of socialism, syndicalism, individualism, fereralism etc. but, unfortunately, I haven't the leisure to do so. Let's just say that I disagree with your politics and you disagree with mine. Makes life interesting! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 14 Mar 12 - 06:24 AM I'd drink to that ~~ except that I don't drink. Still, I have a cup of Darjeeling with a touch of Ceylon beside me at this moment: so ~~ Here's to it in tea. Best ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Mar 12 - 06:25 AM MtheGM, a few part-time, optional-looking "positions" (involving how much work and what hours, I wonder?) flitting in and out of taking fashion pics for posh mags, etc., including working a bit for Mumsie and Papa's outfit, followed by a vague career dissolution for several years before her big day, never settling to anything at all, scarcely add up to productive within the economy, requiring as much dedication, effort and application as any non-manual form of labour, does it now? Coo, I bet she arrived home every night totally wrecked! "Conniption" has no alternative spelling, so less of the bullshit on that one please. One chooses to use arcane words to make one look clever, one checks how they're spelled first! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 14 Mar 12 - 06:26 AM So, what you're saying is that Poundbury should be covered in graffiti, spit and litter, to give it that certain 'je ne sais quoi' of other English Towns these days.... Added to that it should have hideous, ugly buildings, crammed into tiny spaces, or high rise flat with dark, dank stairwells and alley ways, where drugs users gather and old folks are scared to walk alone.. Gee, how fooking stooopid of me to overlook this!! Maybe it's because *I* clean up all the shit in my street, used to clean up an entire VILLAGE on Dartmoor where folks didn't give a fook, same as here in Torquay..People shoved into buildings which should have been torn down years back, or that are leased out at vast rents, never painted, cleaned or attended to, for that would mean miserly landlords having to spend money... Yes, I see what you're getting at now... He even bothered to put in pub, shops, a farmer's market, creating a community...bothered about removing cars, so people could walk in traffic free streets...even put in a fountain here and there... Yes, how right you are...God Forbid that ANY English Town should be clean, beautiful, spacious, thought-through, litter free... God forbid that ANYONE should create a town that people CARE about because the architecture CARES about them..... Yes, let's keep England filthy, foul and furtive! Silly, silly me... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 14 Mar 12 - 06:43 AM Sorry, Steve ~~ I copied you a reputable online dict that spells it with one n. So sorry if it's giving you con[n]iptions; you had better take it up with the editor. Perhaps one of those US variants? Having checked further, will ack that two n's the usual dict spelling; shall use it thus in future: thank you for the headsup. Hardly, mind, an archaic word, or particularly 'clever' in its usage? & certainly not accurate to claim the one n variant doesn't exist. Your "no honest day's work" were best dropped, you know. Never mind about its being, as I said, emotive and tendentious; it's now becoming merely spiteful. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Mar 12 - 07:03 AM I said arcane, not archaic. I wasn't being arch. Yes, I'll let the matter of the young nouveau-parasitess's severe lack of any gainful employment drop now. Doubtless she'll spend much of the rest of her life flouncing around crowds of appreciative, flag-waving poor persons, preferably in sunny ex-Empire nations, demonstrating that she has legs right up to her pertly-regal bottom (very nice too, I must say...) and raising money for "charities" from said poor persons in spite of her being as rich as Croesus herself. I can see how much this annoys you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Mar 12 - 07:10 AM "Coniption?" Of all the online dictionaries, you choose to back up your defective spelling with a quote from the "reputable" Urban Dictionary, whose main priority is not to get spellings right. Bet you can't find your spelling anywhere else! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Nigel Parsons Date: 14 Mar 12 - 07:27 AM "Coniption?" Of all the online dictionaries, you choose to back up your defective spelling with a quote from the "reputable" Urban Dictionary, whose main priority is not to get spellings right. Bet you can't find your spelling anywhere else! If you Google 'coniption', and resist Google's attempt to get you to Google 'conniption'instead you'll get 117,000 hits. So your line Bet you can't find your spelling anywhere else! is a little out. How large a wager were you suggesting? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: banjoman Date: 14 Mar 12 - 07:30 AM I think that a lot of people are missing the point here. Not knowing any of the Royal Family personally, I have no axe to grind with any of them. My objection is to the institution of the monarchy and all that that entails in terms of cost and having their "Good Works" thrust down our throats on most days through a very pro royal media. I know that many ask what would the alternative be. Well, in my view, provided that we have the right to vote in or out our leaders at reasonable intervals, it really does not matter to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 14 Mar 12 - 07:50 AM Not a particularly arcane word either, for that matter, Steve. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Mar 12 - 08:47 AM Well Nigel, when I google it I find that it says "Did you mean conniption?" and all the entries which include this incorrect spelling are people who have posted questions, called their band a name with the word in it or used it on Twitter or whatever. The Urban Dictionary aside (not exactly my numero uno source for confirming spellings by a long chalk, amusing as it is), you will not find a reputable dictionary that permits "coniption" as an acceptable variant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Nigel Parsons Date: 14 Mar 12 - 09:02 AM Steve, in case you don't read your own posts (and who could blame you) what you said was "Coniption?" Of all the online dictionaries, you choose to back up your defective spelling with a quote from the "reputable" Urban Dictionary, whose main priority is not to get spellings right. Bet you can't find your spelling anywhere else! If you meant 'bet you can't find it in another dictionary' that would have been another matter entirely. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 14 Mar 12 - 09:42 AM Come on, Lizzie, don't be silly. Can't you see that Poundbury is a complete and monstrous fake. I'm surprised that Charlie doesn't employ a peasant in a smock to stand on the street corner and tug his forelock to his 'betters'. I live in a nice enough village but it does have a combination of new and old houses in very different styles, including the usual 1960s council houses; the remains of the castle were once a real castle; there's a fair smattering of horse and cow shit on the roads (which never seem to get repaired); no-one bothers about the Green Slime Caravan in my drive; the verges are only cut once a year in July to encourage the wild flowers; and the biggest landowner goes around in mucky wellies and boasts that he's got the dirtiest landie in the village. Places have to look like they're lived in by real people who create their own individual touches (ever been to the 'model village' of Saltaire, for instance?). Fakebury is just a static, tasteless monument to the egotistical intransigence of one man. In fact, I'm surprised he didn't call it Charlesbury. MtheGM, Steve: con(n)iption - new one on me. I love it when I learn a new word! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Mayet Date: 14 Mar 12 - 09:53 AM Liz, (I'm sure you won't mind me calling you that as you yourself like to address others like theleveller with cutesy names like 'levels' and to object would be just a teeny bit hypocritical wouldn't it?), I think you should be aware that in a 2004 study it was found that over three-quarters of residents frequently drive elsewhere to shop and cycling accounts for just 1.9% of journeys to work, public transport 1.8% and that 'THE LEVEL OF CAR USE THERE WAS HIGHER THAN IN THE SURROUNDING RURAL DISTRICT OF WEST DORSET' 'What is unique about Poundbury is that it has sought to recreate a past that never existed - a time machine to go back to when being a child was idyllic,' From 'Save Truro' Prince Charles, who actively discourages his subjects from using cars is himself the owner of two Jaguars, an Audi and a Range Rover and the open-topped Aston Martin that was a 21st birthday present from his mum True, his sports car has been converted to run on surplus wine and is 'used only occasionally for jaunts around the country lanes of Gloucestershire', all necessary journeys I'm sure, and his other cars have been converted to run on bio diesel no doubt the cost of conversion offset by avoiding paying the 62% tax on diesel fuel Unfortunately, even if we could all afford the cost of conversion there's simply not enough cooking oil in the UK to take over from diesel entirely according to the government's Better Regulation Commission; current waste oil supplies could only feasibly power around one-350th of the UK's cars (not even 'the 1%' then and there is a very real limit on the amount of biofuel the agricultural sector can realistically produce |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: John MacKenzie Date: 14 Mar 12 - 10:30 AM If you want some idea of what society would be like without an established hierarchy, and a government, just take a look at how the pecking order has evolved in prisons. Everybody toadies up to the 'Mr Big' in order to curry favour, and do his bidding in the hopes of garnering a few crumbs that fall from his table. Now why does that sound familiar? The fate of those who buck the system is not a pleasant one either. So while you're outside the tent pissing in, just think on, and be grateful that you can do so without fear of a kicking, from the toadies of the establishment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 14 Mar 12 - 10:31 AM "Prince Charles, who actively discourages his subjects" ··· His mother's subjects, in fact; won't be his till she goes. "MtheGM, your pedantry is legendary" wrote a friend on another forum. In fact, my view is that I m not a pedant, but work on the IMO indisputable basis that 'accuracy matters'. {If you are not accurate, you are liable to get the likes of Steve correcting your spelling ~~~ AAAArrrrGGGGhhhh!!!!!!.}* ~M~ *Or should I have said 'If one is not accurate, one is liable...'? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Mar 12 - 10:34 AM Well John, we're not all criminals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Mar 12 - 10:38 AM Nigel, you're nitpicking in a most sour-grapey fashion! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 14 Mar 12 - 10:41 AM >>>Liz, (I'm sure you won't mind me calling you that as you yourself like to address others like theleveller with cutesy names like 'levels' and to object would be just a teeny bit hypocritical wouldn't it?),>>> Actually, I DO mind you calling that. Only one person on Mudcat gets to call me Liz. It is also the name my Dad called me by, so therefore very personal and special. I've been calling 'leveller' 'levels' for many years now...He has never objected to it. I do not call him by his real name, that NOT being 'leveller' unless he's signed himself as such, and he rarely does. In all this time, he has never once asked me NOT to call him 'levels', either here, on years back on the BBC board. And despite our ranting and raging at each other now and then, we like each other and very often read from the same book entirely. He and his good lady are also on my Myspace page, or were, as I no longer use Myspace, due to the way the new owners have fouled it all up. So, may I suggest you stick your patronizing comments where the sun don't shine, be it a Royal Arse or mere Peasant's... Thank you. And tell me, before you start on Prince Charles and his cars etc, do you approve of Beckham and his Mrs. then? You see, despite *their* wealth, and *their* thrones, which they both have, I don't see them doing much to save the planet. I do recall Posh sitting on a rubbish dump somewhere in a very poor country, crying her heart out at the little girl who lived on it, scratched around inside it to find rubbish to sell, to feed her family..Then, Posh went home and was busy deciding which £400 handbag to wear for her next photoshoot... At least Charles is DOING something, running 60 charities, travelling the world to conferences on the Environment, fighting for the Rainforest, for the future of his children and yours, and mine....At least he's damn well speaking out and not sitting on his arse all day preening his latest tattoo, hairstyle, or new dress..... Yes, I'd prefer it if he were a mere peasant like wot I am, if he gave all his money away...but then there'd be one helluva lot of people down in Cornwall with no jobs, no incomes...His organic fields would be bought up by Corporate Bastards who would fit as many tiny little box houses into them as they could, no thought for ANYONE who actually had to live in them, just thoughts of the Profits made... Very few new towns are like Poundbury, because they get banged up as cheaply as possible, to make as much profit as possible and to hell with the future, the future of the town, the buildings, the community, the people who have to live there... ALL that has been thought about in Poundbury and those who live there love it.... It will be there for centuries to come... Most new towns won't...they'll have been razed to the ground and rebuilt..for yet even MORE profit..... Thank you LIZZIE |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 14 Mar 12 - 10:45 AM Dave, that's a ridiculous example. Prisons are a closed environment controlled by a rigid regime, headed by a governor, constantly overseen by guards, where the inmates do not have freedom of movement, occupation, expression or self-determination. In fact, the exact opposite of what I'm talking about, as mentioned above, such as "socialism, syndicalism, individualism, fereralism etc." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 14 Mar 12 - 10:47 AM Steve ~~ re your response to John; why pretend to be such a fool that you can't recognise a simple & pertinent analogy? How much conviction to you think such a pose will bring to your arguments? Unless, of course, you actually ARE such a fool... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 14 Mar 12 - 10:56 AM "fereralism"? Federalism. Actually, maybe it should be 'feralism'. Mmmm, I like that! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 14 Mar 12 - 11:13 AM "Dave, that's a ridiculous example." Apologies, JOHN, that comes of trying to do a dozen things at once. Mayet, honestly, 'levels' is fine - in fact, it even imbues me with an impression of level-headedness which is, I'm afraid, frequently absent. Yup, Lizzie and I go back so far we're practically family - which could be why we fight like cat and dog :p |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: John MacKenzie Date: 14 Mar 12 - 11:42 AM Most prisons are only governed with the consent of the inmates. For it to be otherwise would take a great deal of staff, and/or coercion. As long as there is not too much strife in a prison, the warders are happy to turn a blind eye to many malpractices, for the sake of a quiet life. To say that it is governed and controlled is to stretch things somewhat. As Mike said the prison thing is only an analogy, but the situation is a microcosm of society in the round. Another analogy. The biggest fiercest lion gets first dibs on the kill. Then those down the hierarchy get a turn. Society always is, and always will be governed, either by force or by free will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Mayet Date: 14 Mar 12 - 11:45 AM Indeed very few new towns are like Poundbury - it's difficult to think of any others that offer fake bricked up windows for a start or 'artisan's cottages' for about £400k (unfortunately there's little profit in 'affordablr housing') or are so lacking in amenities that car ownership is essential. Poundbury - an essay in how not to design a new town Thank you for your usual inevitable invitation to anyone who dares to disagree with your opinions to stick their comments up their arse I do so admire a well thought out intelligent response. Maybe something a little more original eh? At least I suppose I should be grateful no root vegetables were abused on this occasion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 14 Mar 12 - 12:11 PM "the situation is a microcosm of society in the round" Really? My god, your life must be pretty bleak. Tell you what, why not turn Poundbury into a prison? Sounds like the communication links are so bad there'd be no way of getting out - and the architecture is even worse than Armley! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: John MacKenzie Date: 14 Mar 12 - 12:20 PM In that we all inhabit the same space, not that we are all criminals. But of course you knew that, and were just " 'Avin' a laff" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 14 Mar 12 - 12:56 PM Nah, but seriously, now....ironically it was reading the ideas of some of the anarchist thinkers, especially Kropotkin, Stirner, Nietzsche (now that IS a bugger to spell) and Oscar Wilde that gave me the real sense of freedom that it is not only alright to be the individual you want to be, but that it is, in fact, the most creative thing you can do. Individualism is the very essence of anarchism as I see it, and if one then chooses to become part of a federation or a syndicate, or whatever, that is one's own decision. What it is primarily about is freedom – to be oneself and to think and act as a free individual. Damn, I said I wasn't going to get into this discussion. See the power of Mudcat to overcome my free will! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 14 Mar 12 - 12:58 PM If you read The Ballad of Reading Gaol, you'll see what Wilde was getting at. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Dave the Gnome Date: 14 Mar 12 - 02:30 PM Steve (Shaw) - Agreed. Hence my point. The theory is that they attract tourists and make money. Trouble is, as you point out, they just ain't very good at it. I'll just repeat the word that can turn this around instantly for those who missed it - DISNEY! Just imagine - LizzieWorld, Charlie Burgers, The Wills experience. It could make billions and cut our taxes in half :-) DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: bubblyrat Date: 14 Mar 12 - 03:04 PM I take it then , Leveller , that you are not the sort of person who would willingly and eagerly be amongst the first to volunteer for active military service should our dear country ever be threatened with invsaion again ? A shame ,really ; the thought of you being bayonetted to death by some screaming fanatic is somehow rather appealing . Oh well. God Save The Queen !( but not necessarily everyone else ) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Mar 12 - 07:18 PM Steve ~~ re your response to John; why pretend to be such a fool that you can't recognise a simple & pertinent analogy? How much conviction to you think such a pose will bring to your arguments? Unless, of course, you actually ARE such a fool... Now MtheGM, ol' bean. I know what a twat I've made you look, what with your pro-royal, mindless contumely and your very dodgy spelling of overly-clever words, but really. You know as well as I do that few analogies are "simple." Oh that they were! There are so many fundamental differences twixt what happens in prison and what happens in wider society that it's perfectly ludicrous to claim that the one is a microcosm of the other (which isn't to say that I deny all potential comparisons). Theleveller said it much better than I could. That's the second time in a day that you've called me naughty names simply because I demur from your lordly opinion on matters which most people would consider to be, at best, controversial. Actually, I was wrong up there. I didn't make you look a twat. You managed it all by yourself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 14 Mar 12 - 08:44 PM Well, bubblyrat, I'm as anti-monarchist as they come, but I would be right up there should our beloved nation be threatened with invasion. The two standpoints do not go hand-in-hand. Mind you, I would not be right up there if some third-rate politico was trying to persuade me that a war fought ten thousand miles away to oust a few alleged nutters hiding in a country three times bigger than the UK was going to make me safer, or to invade a sovereign nation on the basis of the nastiness of its leader without any sort of exit strategy whatsoever and utterly heedless of the inevitable massive loss of innocent civilian life. I hope you'll accord me at least some choice in what I theoretically join up for, but at least be assured that pacifism is no part of my creed. Amazing, isn't it, how life isn't always black and white. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 15 Mar 12 - 03:01 AM Steve ~~ I say you are not a fool; you call me a twat. And then you have to gall to accuse me of calling you naughty names. Oh, Mr Shaw, you really are a one! I am not, btw, particularly pro-royal: a lot of them [Harry with his swastika; Diana with her sex-life; Margaret with her overall snobbish toffenosed general objectionability] can be a terrible embarrassment to those who wish them well. It is just that it happens to be the system we have, & works pragmatically as well as most others one observes; and it is usually best IMO to work on the valuable "if it ain't broke don't fix it" principle, for fear, as I think it was H Belloc who put it, of finding something worse. That is the full extent of my support for the institution. But, as the judge said to Rumpole when he was trying to influence him re a suitable sentence, "You have your job to do and I have mine"; so we all have our jobs to do and they have theirs: & while they are doing it, surely they will do it most efficiently without constant sniping from mindless [thank you for the word] objectors on dubious principle to the very fact of their existence? ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 15 Mar 12 - 04:22 AM Oh Bubblyrat, you do make me laugh! Apart from the fact that, at 63, it's unlikely that my services would be required, the point is that, if (in the unlikely event, I agree, but there's nothing wrong with demanding the impossible)an anarchisdt system were adopted worldwide, the threat of war and invasion would not arise. Your bloodthirsty, belligerent, bellicose blusterings can't hide the fact that you are, at heart, a snivelling, fauning, arselicker with the backbone of a cucumber. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Big Al Whittle Date: 15 Mar 12 - 05:13 AM I yearn for the days when some aspects of me resembled a cucumber.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 15 Mar 12 - 05:35 AM That's reminiscent of something Charlie-boy once said to Camilla, innit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Mar 12 - 05:37 AM Hmm, I don't think we're talking tzatziki here. Apart from which, wouldn't you be worried if it was green? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 15 Mar 12 - 05:55 AM Steve ~~ I say you are not a fool; you call me a twat. I said you looked a twat, and, after some musing, I decided that you'd brought that impression upon yourself. You've just called me, in effect, a mindless sniping objector. At least I can agree to two-thirds of that characterisation; I'll let you decide which third I contest. As for their having their job to do, pray tell exactly what that is. I struggle to detect any gainful aspect of their employment. They certainly seem to do an awful lot of swanning around, generally in luxury and at public expense, in some sort of cod-ambassadorial role (ambassadors for what exactly I'm never quite sure about), in between taking extended holidays in vast mansions with enormous private estates where they can hunt 'n' shoot 'n' fish 'n' ride hosses to their hearts' content without our observing them. That would be far too much intrusion! Finally, apropos of your post, at least Margaret has ceased to become the source of irritation you allude to, as she's well dead, so I hear. Wonder who paid for all her fags and booze... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 15 Mar 12 - 05:56 AM Ah, I remember now. It wasn't a cucumber Charlie-boy wished to be: 'twas a tampon! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Musket Date: 15 Mar 12 - 05:57 AM On this one, I am at odds with the consensus. Regardless of what we think about the monarchy as either an institution or indeed the present incumbents, or rather the media image drawn up of them... 1. Far better than having someone who wants the job. (Our Aussie friends made that clear the last time they debated republicanism.) 2. I have been a businessman trading in all four (and the rest) corners of the world. There is a reason why many Johnny Foreigners want to trade with us, visit us, fawn over us, despite our Empire stain. We have everything to not offer them as Belgium does. What's the difference? Can you tell what it is yet? One of the largest manufacturing orders I ever closed, resulting in 30 sustained new real full time well paid jobs, was to a company in Texas. To this day, I am convinced that my reassurances over prospective quality of goods, delivery schedules and technical support were secondary to the photos of me at a recent Buckingham Palace tea party. That's when he went from being a hard ball CEO to wanting to be my best mate ever.... Royalty sells. Lose it and we are left with fish & chips, drizzle, moaning gits and ill conceived sporting expectations. Mind you, of course the government are spending more on it than they could have gotten away with, and of course they see it as a distraction to real problems. If that didn't work, we wouldn't have bread and circuses, or soap operas and Hello magazine, as they are now called. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 15 Mar 12 - 06:43 AM Well, you might call "mindless sniping objector" 'name-calling', of the same order as "twat". I leave it to Catters in general to adjudicate there. Princes William & Harry are fully-serving officers in the armed services, both of whom have served in areas of combat on the same basis as other servicemen, after the full officer-training at Sandhurst required of all their fellow-officers. I don't expect you have ever been in the services, Steve. I have. It is quite hard work, I assure you. HM & her husband, octo- & nonogenarians, have heavy programmes of official public engagements of the same sort as those performed by all heads of state, however elected or otherwise appointed. I fear you are making something of a fool of yourself all round with your foolish, doctrinaire asseverations, accusations and animadversions. I think you had best drop it before someone out there starts to wonder which of us it is who is coming over as a what-was-that-word-you-used-of-me-now? Best regards ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 15 Mar 12 - 06:50 AM In fact, indeed, Steve, I didn't actually call you a MSO as such: you simply extrapolated the designation from the context on a 'cap·fits?' basis... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 15 Mar 12 - 07:02 AM Yes, well they have to do something, eh? Can't see 'em swaggering up to the Cenotaph with fake or no medals, after all. Little danger of either of them coming back in a body bag, I imagine, though I'm not out there to see how well they're guarded. I won't ask if they got to Sandhurst under their own steam (or, indeed, to anywhere else they were educated) because it isn't fair to prejudge. Speculation is useless. "Official public engagements" sounds so hifalutin', eh? I suppose it means that Call-me-Dave and Samcam can have a bit more spare time if nowt else. You say heavy programmes of official public engagements, I say swanning around in luxury...let's call the whole thing off... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 15 Mar 12 - 07:11 AM Let's wait & see how inclined you will feel to 'swan around' when you are 85 or 90, shall we? I am 80 myself, and don't swan in any fashion quite so readily as of yore... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Mar 12 - 09:48 AM Swans belong to the monarch, and are 'Upped' regularly. Not a bad outlook! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Dave the Gnome Date: 15 Mar 12 - 04:28 PM He wanted to be a tampon? What? White, uptight and out of sight... :D tG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 15 Mar 12 - 04:33 PM OK, not swanning around then - getting swanned around. And less of this uppity talk! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Mar 12 - 06:18 AM My dear wife does most of the driving, as she is rather younger than me: so I get 'swanned' around in the sense you seem to imply. It really still isn't easy, take my word for it. I happened to find a crowd waiting at Ely Station not long ago, and learned that the Queen was on the train from which I was meeting some friends; coming to open a new feature at the cathedral IIRC. When she came from the station and into the waiting car, with the assistance of only one Lady-in-Waiting, it was obviously some considerable effort. She really is a very old and not all that fit woman; but she had the engagement to fulfil and she came and fulfilled it. She has a strong sense of duty and a determination to do it, despite age and frailty. I think your sneering tone about 'swanning' to be vulgar and tasteless in the extreme. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself; but I don't for a moment expect that you are. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Musket Date: 16 Mar 12 - 07:50 AM When everybody has finish knocking off aspects of society that mean less money being spent on them, you are left with a society none would wish to aspire to. Except those bits based on envy. Bit of a bugger really. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: John MacKenzie Date: 16 Mar 12 - 08:09 AM You forgot to mention the inverted snobbery Ian! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 16 Mar 12 - 08:32 AM MtheGM, if we're supposed to find that inspiring, well, sorry, but I, for one, don't. For true altruism, commitment and social conscience, I take my inspiration from my maternal grandfather. He was the illegitimate son of a local landowner and a farm worker's daughter who left school at 12 and worked first as a plough-boy and then on the railway. He was also the ultimate autodidact with a superb mind, and one of the best-read people I've ever come across. He never made any money, never lived in a house with an indoor toilet let alone a bathroom until he went into an alms house in his 90s. He did, however, bring up and inspire 6 children and spent almost every spare hour working for the community as, amongst other things, a JP, Chairman of the Council, Chairman of the Watch Committee, churchwarden, Trustee of the Church Institute, hospital visitor and dozens of other roles. I never knew what inspired his community conscience and his great compassion – maybe it was that he was grateful for actually making it home from the trenches and the Battle of the Somme - but when my grandmother said to him that if he'd been paid for all the work he did he'd be a rich man, his indignant reply was, "That's not why I do it!". He received no official recognition but, to this day, over 25 years after his death at the age of 94, he is still remembered with huge affection in the town where he lived. At his funeral the vicar said of him: "Harry Croft was known as the quiet man. He asked nothing more out of life than a book, a pipe and a cat." Now he was a REAL inspiration – not some pampered puss who has lived her entire life in luxury and privilege. I'd be happy to be half the man he was. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Mar 12 - 08:40 AM An inspiration indeed. Was he a monarchist? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 16 Mar 12 - 09:09 AM Well, he wasn't overtly an anti-monarchist but he never had much time for them. He was, however, an ardent socialist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 16 Mar 12 - 09:12 AM The Queen is one of the richest people in the world. She doesn't need to do any visits, entertain anyone, present awards, sit for hour after boring hour in some hot countries, in cold countries, in countries who don't even want her there..... ...yet..she does it. She is old, getting more frail every year, but she is still out there, promoting this country, working to keep old friendships going, pleasing people, smiling, smiling endless smiling and nodding of heads and trying to be interested in so many things she is not. She never lets anyone down, has an almost obssessive sense of duty. She has never been involved in any scandal, probably has had many unhappy, lonely moments in her life... But she never complains.. Prince Harry was talking the other day about how he's finding it hard to find a woman who actually wants to be with him on a life-long basis, taking on the role and rigid lifestyle she would have to adopt as his wife....He said he longed, at times, to be ordinary, to just be able to live his life as others do. Of course, if he *were* ordinary, his Mother would still be alive, there for him, loving him, protecting him...and he would be a far happier young man. As to Princess Diana's 'sex' life, MtheGM, could I just say it was more probably her 'love life' and we had no right to know anything about her private life in the first place, but those who hounded her, who eventually killed as sure as if they'd put a gun to her head and pulled the trigger, thought that everything she did should be public knowledge. Likewise the comment, albeit strange, which Prince Charles is alleged to have said to Camilla. Again, it was from a private phone call...one which was 'tapped' so I recall. Let any person here who has nothing in their life to be ashamed of, embarrassed of, stand up and crow how Holier than Thou they are..... Geez, some of the unpleasantness in this thread makes me want to weep at times.... Charles is trying to save YOUR planet, for YOUR children as much as his. Give the guy a break for Christ's sake and just for once see 'the man' not his title, nor his money, nor the family into which he was born, nor his past......Just watch the links to the speeches I put in way back and listen to what he has to say, because far from spending his time on messageboards spewing out hatred, he's out there doing all he can to make a positive and genuine difference in the many things he works hard at, including trying to save this planet from greedy bastards who are hellbent on destroying it forever... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 16 Mar 12 - 09:20 AM Why not try feeling grateful that perhaps, just PERHAPS, in Prince Charles this country has one of the **most caring** Royals in the world, for he is not just a highly intelligent historian, but a man who knows FAR MORE than any of you about Nature, Mother Earth and those who are destroying something which he loves intensely.. This is on The Prince's Rainforest Youtube Channel too, so just press the link at the top left hand corner above the video to be taken to many other videos this project made to raise awareness of the singularly most important problem facing this planet today, above ALL others, for truly, if our Rainforests go down, particularly the Amazon Rainforest, we go down too, taking hundreds of thousands of other species with us, through our stunning and startling dumbed down arrogance! Hymn to the Rainforest - From The Prince's Rainforest Project |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Mar 12 - 09:47 AM I think your sneering tone about 'swanning' to be vulgar and tasteless in the extreme. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself; but I don't for a moment expect that you are. I'd rather be my tasteless and vulgar self (actually, I've slightly postponed listening to Beethoven's Diabelli Variations to type this) than ally myself sychophantically to a bunch of dull, over-privileged parasites who spend their lives taking the piss. And you're right. I know no shame. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Mar 12 - 09:48 AM I can spell sycophantically. God knows how that happened. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Mar 12 - 10:02 AM Likewise the comment, albeit strange, which Prince Charles is alleged to have said to Camilla. Again, it was from a private phone call...one which was 'tapped' so I recall. Let any person here who has nothing in their life to be ashamed of, embarrassed of, stand up and crow how Holier than Thou they are..... Of course. But whenever it's been me making remarks down the phone that I'd hoped no-one save the intended recipient had heard, at least it's been me paying my own phone bill. Of course, if he *were* ordinary, his Mother would still be alive, there for him, loving him, protecting him. Well, Mummy wasn't there for him the night she was killed, as I remember. She was on a bit of a jolly in Paris, I seem to recall. Doubtless he was in the hands of the best nanny our money could buy. And why, may I ask, should the richest family in the land, replete with known playboys and playgirls and diverse wastrels, kept rich by all of us whether we want to contribute to their upkeep or not, not be vulnerable to criticism and ridicule? I want my bloody 63p per year back please! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Musket Date: 16 Mar 12 - 10:10 AM Tell you what, I'll set up a standing order for Steve Shaw to the tune of 63p per annum, and we'll keep the Royal Family, because to be able to give Steve 63p, I need economic growth, and as our reputation for factory goods is about as good as our capacity for delivering them, we need something to keep others investing in us, and quite simply, our heritage is one hell of a marketing tool. And for their detractors? I notice The Tower of London is still standing, still enjoying upkeep and the cells are ready and able to receive new guests..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Mar 12 - 10:28 AM OK Ian. I do Paypal. I'll send you my email. But it's on condition that it's 63p per annum for me, my family members (all republicans), my mum and dad, all my republican mates...and we all want inflation-indexed back pay with interest. So that will be £23,461.34 please. Don't worry, I'll distribute it fairly, and, once I get your deposit, I promise to shut up about the royal nit-wittery. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 16 Mar 12 - 10:28 AM "our heritage is one hell of a marketing tool" It's hardly surprising that Germany do so badly, then. And as for the USA - being a republic has done them no favours at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Mar 12 - 10:29 AM Heheh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 16 Mar 12 - 10:31 AM Oh, and Ian, I've been in marketing for 43 years and I don't recall ever using the monarchy to sell anything. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Musket Date: 16 Mar 12 - 10:52 AM I've been in it not quite as long, cos I'm not an old git just yet. But I have sold British engineering complete with The Union Flag all over the world. And it sells, it just does. I have never been "in marketing" but have marketed British engineering, and the word British didn't mean marketing British Leyland, braziers outside factory gates and sub standard tools, it meant... HP Sauce is made in The Netherlands. It sells with picture of The Houses of Parliament on it. QED |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Musket Date: 16 Mar 12 - 10:54 AM Hang on, I didn't respond to Steve's offer re Paypal. Sorry mate, that's slightly out of my league. For that amount, you would have to rely on someone who pays a hell of a lot more tax than I do. The Queen for instance? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Mar 12 - 11:08 AM That would be ideal. How long's the waiting list for an audience with this person whose upkeep uses my money? Can you get me in? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Mar 12 - 11:14 AM The Houses of Parliament would still be there on bottles of HP Sauce even if the Queen didn't exist (I can dream...). Alternatively, you could go along to any supermarket and buy any of that third-rate, premium-priced crap that goes by the moniker "Duchy Originals." Look on the wrapper and you'll find that most of the ingredients have never been anywhere near "the duchy"! As I said, their lives' mission is to take the piss! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Mar 12 - 11:16 AM Well, any Waitrose anyway. If you can afford it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 16 Mar 12 - 11:18 AM Steve, I think you'll find the boys were up in Scotland, with their granny. Needless to say, Diana was not invited..... HOWEVER, if you recall, she was distraught at them going to boarding school..and she saw them every moment she could, I recall they came home at weekends because she was so upset at them going in the first place.. Diana was a great Mum to her boys, whom she loved dearly. They have said countless times, voices breaking with emotion, how much they miss her, every single day, to this day. They also love their Granny, the Queen..and their father. Camilla, no matter what any of us may feel for her, has also been fully accepted by them and gave them much support when they needed it most. Stop being such a vile bully and read some of your posts back. Yeesh..WHAT is eating you up so much? The Royals cost us around 60p a year each, I believe.....and give many jobs to many folks. And even if those jobs are low-paid, it sure as hell beats working in MacDonalds for the same money.. There are absolute wasters in that family, as I'm sure there are in almost every family in the land. Many things have been tightened up these past years, many taken off the public list and quite rightly so..It should be pared down to the absolute minimum, but your almost vitriolic delight in being as unpleasant as you can about Diana, her children, Charles etc, tells me exactly what kind of person you are....and if the choice is folks like you, bitter and twisted, jealous and nasty, or *some* of the Royal Family who care a great deal and work their butts off trying to be of service to the country, well..I'd rather have them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Musket Date: 16 Mar 12 - 11:18 AM My money includes the upkeep of lots of people, but I doubt knocking on the door of a pensioner to ask them if they are grateful would be a good idea. The next time you post something on the internet, the next time you pop out a view in the pub, the next time you exercise free speech and not fear reprisal, you will be reminded you are in Great Britain. That isn't because of a monarchy, but the present parliamentary democracy. But bugger about it and who knows, we might get a President, and one who wants to be there. Now that sounds scary.... We would have to pay for their upkeep, and as they might not be one of the richest people in the world, their upkeep and that of their entourage, (see any republic for details) couldn't be offset by their taxes. Like I said, I'm not a Royalist. I'm not an idealist prat with a chip on each shoulder either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 16 Mar 12 - 11:22 AM I think you've just demonstrated, Ian, that British heritage means a lot more than the monarchy. Sorry, got to go - I'm working on a campaign for walk-in baths. Ah, now I wonder if old Lizzie (Windsor not Cornish) is up for making a few bob in endorsements......... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Musket Date: 16 Mar 12 - 11:27 AM If you could find a would be President who can walk ON baths, I'll endorse it and him / her for you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Mar 12 - 11:40 AM That's a laugh, Lizzie - tiny little me bullying the royals! And jealous? You bet your arse I'm jealous! The last nine days of Diana's life, up to the Paris visit, were spent on the Al Fayed's luxury yacht. The fact the lads were at Balmoral does not mean that a nanny and God knows how many other servants were not looking after 'em. And gran. Different life, Lizzie, different life... You'd rather have them than me? Suits me. Take 'em! Preferably as far away as possible! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Mar 12 - 11:42 AM Tony Blair could walk on water. Is that close enough? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 16 Mar 12 - 12:04 PM And while we're on the subject of chips and HP Sauce - there's another bloody travesty. Did they really think they could change the recipe and we wouldn't notice? Might have to go back to Daddies! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Mar 12 - 12:09 PM Just for the record, Steve ~~ even if you had not corrected it, I should not have dreamed of making a cheap debating point of your mis-spelling above. The very thought of doing anything so vulgar gives me coniptions, with as many bloody n's as I feel like putting into them without a by-your-bloody-boring-leave, Mr S. 〠☺〠~M~〠☺〠 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Mar 12 - 12:27 PM You can stick as many ns in connnnipptions as yer like. You don't need my leave. It's a funny word no matter how you spell it. If I hadn't had to look up what it meant I wouldn't have detected the misspelling. As for my sycophantic glitch, it wasn't a misspelling due to my not knowing how to spell it. I was half-thinking of Hitchcock at the time I typed it, that's all. The thought of that shower scene must have had a sycological impact on my poor brain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Mar 12 - 12:31 PM And while we're on the subject of chips and HP Sauce - there's another bloody travesty. Did they really think they could change the recipe and we wouldn't notice? Might have to go back to Daddies! I tried doing that but Daddy had changed the locks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 16 Mar 12 - 12:57 PM Steve, would you mind not being so bloody flippant. This is a serious matter and a gross infringement of our civil liberties! I understand that Heinz, now owners of HP, have been bullied (yes, BULLIED) into reducing the salt content of HP Sauce by the Tory government backed by the entire royal family. I mean to say, I know that they consider us sauce-eating plebs to be below the salt but this attempt to reduce the amount we eat is below the belt. I'm with Marco Pierre White on this - it's a total disgrace. After all, as has been pointed out above, HP is part of our national heritage and MUST be protected. It's a positive contumely (one 'n', I think). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Musket Date: 16 Mar 12 - 01:30 PM Luckily, with all the tax The Queen pays, The NHS would be able to cope with the increase in coronary heart disease and hypertension should HP return to the earlier recipe and increase salt intake. I'll get me etc. (Interesting, since getting married to a doctor the other year, she has decreased my intake of salt, sometimes by stealth, sometimes by nagging and sometimes blatantly. As a result, I hadn't noticed my sauce was different now. Tell you what though, a few months ago I had a Kentucky Fried Chicken for the first time in years and I used to enjoy the taste. I can tell you now what Col Sander's secret recipe is; bloody salt. Tons of it.) And for that matter, Liz is the salt of the earth... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: GUEST Date: 16 Mar 12 - 01:58 PM 'A Day In The Life' Part 1 (press top left hand corner at end of video for next part... Taken from the link below: >>>....The prince is almost reflexively self-deprecating – the first words he utters to me, on day two of our grandish tour, are: "I do hope all this isn't boring you too much" – but he also insists on claiming the slightly martyrish role of the prophet misunderstood in his native land. He has stood firm, and definitely not Canute-like, as the tide of opinion has gone against him. He insisted on organics when all about him were up to the tops of their wellies in chemicals. "I just," he tells the Royal Agricultural College meeting, "wanted to be a repository for all the things that were being thrown away." To this end he became patron of the Rare Breeds Trust, ensuring native animal breeds were not lost; and he has lately bought a fruit trial centre "where we now have 1,000 apple trees of 1,000 different varieties".. "In the media," he says, with a slightly withering glance in my direction, "they would no doubt describe this as me jumping from one bleeding subject to another." He has no choice in this, though, he is a fighter of fires, and if he didn't do it, who would?.."<<<< Well, he almost sounds a bit like you Traddies, eh! :0) Wanting to save things from the past, for the future generations, knowing how much good lies in the past and wanting to bring it forward into the present... Guardian Article on Prince Charles And of course, there is a link to The Prince's Countryside Fund in that article..you know, the one he started to support those who work in the countryside??? As I said, be grateful you've got him, for he makes one helluva lot of sense, when all around are talking twaddle and getting us into the biggest shite we've ever been in... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish Date: 16 Mar 12 - 01:59 PM 'GUEST' was me, oops... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: theleveller Date: 16 Mar 12 - 07:14 PM I'm sorry, Lizzie but, having had a bottle or so of wine, I have to laugh at the implication of Charlie boy being the saviour of the British countryside. Not to put too fine a point on it - been there, done that, got the t-shirt. To start with, I've been a member of the Rare Breeds Survival Trust for over 30 years, since the time when I bred Gloucester Old Spots. In those days, at the drop of a hat, we'd borrow a trailer, coax a couple of recalcitrent pigs into it and head off in the mud and rain to some local country show to display our beloved animals to half a dozen bemused farmers. I know how hard the local organisers struggled in those days to get across the message that rare breeds were important. OK, well done Charlie for getting on the band wagon - but we did all the hard work. As for those people who have been fighting for the British countryside for decades, what about Oliver Rackham, Richard Mabey, my late friend Roger Deakin, Robert Macfarlane, The Campaign for Rural England, The Woodland Trust, Common Ground (who introduced the idea of an annual Apple Day, community orchards, local diversity etc.), England in Particular....the list of people who fight at a local level for the British countryside that they love is endless. Yeah, good on Charlie for jumping on the bandwagon but there were those of us campaignig before he came along and we'd be campaigning whether he was there or not.He is NOT the saviour of the British countryside and those who live and work in it - that battle has going on for a long time and will continue whether he's involved or not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Mar 12 - 09:19 PM A giant of a man is that Richard Mabey. He's done a thousand times more than Charlie Boy has ever done to increase appreciation and protection of the countryside. Charlie Boy simply exploits the land that his ancestors stole and makes a whacking good profit out of it. An old tramp was eating his lunch in a field. The landowner approached him and told him in no uncertain terms to get off his land. "Oh yeah, so how come this is your land?" asked the tramp. "Why, this land has been in my family for generations. My ancestors fought for this land!" "All right," said the tramp, taking off his old jacket and rolling up his shirt sleeves, "Come on - I'll fight you for it now!" " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Paul Burke Date: 16 Mar 12 - 09:29 PM Hey, to celebrate the jubiloo, they are reducing the taxes for the very rich! From peanuts to flop all! Truly we are all in it together. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Mar 12 - 09:37 PM Yep, and introducing regionally-depressed pay for public sector workers once the pay freeze is over. And privatising the NHS. And making coppers do medicals. And...and... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Stuff the Jubilee - No Cuts From: Big Al Whittle Date: 17 Mar 12 - 03:04 AM In spite of taking my prescription I think that I'll have a conniption Phone the constabulary To police MGM's vocabulary Its really beyond description |
