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Subject: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Richard Bridge Date: 01 Jul 12 - 05:01 PM http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/21/mendacious-mitt-romney-bid-liar-in-chief |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Ebbie Date: 01 Jul 12 - 07:28 PM "Romney gets away with it because he and his team realize contemporary political journalism isn't equipped to deal with a candidate who lies this much, about so many topics, so often." from the link Interesting and downright scary. As the article makes clear, Romney lies as a matter of expediency -trusting, I think, that a falsehood will become embedded in the electorate who, when it comes to shove, will not quite remember the truth of it. Oh, for the days when I might not agree with an individual's views but didn't feel bound to question his integrity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: gnu Date: 01 Jul 12 - 07:33 PM Itegrity is a saleable quality these days. And it's worth big money to some. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Jul 12 - 10:08 PM If the article is accurate in what it says...and I assume it is...then I think all Romney's blatant lying will work exceedingly well for him in the USA political climate, and here's why. Most people will believe something they hear IF it's what they already wanted to hear. Romney is saying all kinds of things to the sector of the public which dislikes Obama...and they're things that sector of the public wants to hear! Thus they will almost all believe what he's saying, and it will increase their dislike of Obama and motivate them to vote for Romney. It will, of course, infuriate the people who like Obama, but Romney's not out to get their vote, because he knows he can't get their vote anyway. Liberal media people will point out that Romney is lying, but Romney's supporters will figure that the "liberal media" is lying. Lies work if they are stated with full apparent confidence, and repeated over and over again. They end up being believed by most people. So Romney is playing a totally cynical game...no surprise to me...and it's probably working just fine for him. Why should he change it? Only one thing counts in an election: winning it. Does this make Romney and his party pretty disgusting? Yeah! But, hell, I already knew that. Nothing about Romney's many lies surprises me at all. It's a standard political propaganda technique, has been practiced by scoundrels throughout history, and the more often and boldly it's done, the better it works. A little passion helps too. People are more likely to believe a passionately spoken lie than a moderately spoken lie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Amos Date: 01 Jul 12 - 10:10 PM It's wonderful that your altitudinous serenity is not disturbed by Romney, LH, thanks to your supreme, hard-earned transcendent insight into the uniform depravity of all lesser mortals. THose of us who live with these decisions take it a bot more seriously. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Jul 12 - 10:21 PM By the way, many of us here are way too smart to be fooled by Romney's lies! Yes, indeedy. You, me, Don Firth, Stilly River Sage, TIA, Amos, Bobert, etc...we're all way too smart to believe those lies. But...we weren't planning to vote for Romney anyway, were we? Not a chance of it. See what I mean? Those who want to believe Romney's lies will believe them, and those are the people he's aiming those lies at. He just wants enough of them to get motivated enough on election day, that's all. They are the people who believe Obama's lying every time he speaks. (and sometimes, unfortunately, I think he is...either that or he's quite confused) However, he clearly can't match Romney in the lying sweepstakes. It's divide-and-conquer time once again, people. Every 4 years like clockwork. The more bitterly they divide you, the better it works. And believe me, both sides lie frequently...but when the Republicans lie, man oh man, do they EVER lie! And with confidence. Wowee! Somethin' to see. It's a scary business. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Little Hawk Date: 01 Jul 12 - 10:32 PM What makes you think I'm serene about it, Amos? I do take it seriously. I'm not waving my arms in the air and screaming, that's all. You want me to get mad and start WRITING EVERYTHING IN CAPITALS TO SHOW JUST HOW REALLY ENRAGED I AM ABOUT REPUBLICAN LIES???????????? It wouldn't do anything except uselessly raise my blood pressure...and strain your eyes. I disapprove of political lying just as much as you do, Amos, cos you and I are among those wonderful, bright, and good people everywhere who aren't fooled, remember? ;-) I was in no way implying a universal human depravity, that's just a straw man you erected to cast your bolts at. But what exactly should I do about Romney's lying? I can't even vote in your elections, you know. No matter how UPSET I get, it won't affect the results. And I know that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 01 Jul 12 - 11:27 PM I dunno... Is it really lying when all someone does is regurgitate the lies his supporters already believe? Romney's lies aren't meant to convince. They're meant to show that he's in agreement with those who are already convinced. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 01 Jul 12 - 11:46 PM Romney gets away with it because the current Republicans don't much have any interest in the truth... Lies are just fine for these people... They love lies... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Jul 12 - 12:08 AM They love hearing what they already wish to hear, Bobert...and that means in almost every case that they don't consciously know it's a lie. That's how demagogues get support. They tell people what those people want to hear. Almost no one is interested in any form of the truth that invalidates some stuff they already believe. Nor do they believe it IS the truth when they hear it. Just ask them. You'll see. It's one reason why I don't bother talking to people on the Internet about a number of subjects I'm deeply interested in. I would just get hostile reactions from a number of individuals who think differently about those subjects...it would waste my time...mess up my day a bit...probably frustrate and depress me...probably frustrate them too. Nothing would change, except we'd all be crabbier than we were before that interchange. Therefore, why bother? If I was a journalist, then I'd talk about those things, because that would be my job. Here? No point really. Why wave the red flag at the bull? Why kick the hornet's nest? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Jul 12 - 02:10 AM Almost no one is interested in any form of the truth that invalidates some stuff they already believe. Truth? Truth that invalidates what they believe? This in not a universal trait. Not here, not anywhere. Go fuck yourself. after some deliberation, that is the kindest most reasonable answer I have to that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Jul 12 - 02:20 AM Little Hawk. Find something else to talk about. Please! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Little Hawk Date: 02 Jul 12 - 02:33 AM Not interested, thanks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 02 Jul 12 - 04:11 AM Has he been taking lessons from Cameron, or vice-versa? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 02 Jul 12 - 07:55 AM Most US-Americans seem to agree that their political system favours corrupt and irresponsible leadership. Therefore, the nation should discuss more eagerly how to improve that system. Many Holy Cows are waiting to be slaughtered, and yes, they can, if enough citizens demand it loudly enough. People whose main consideration is "Will I be better off afterwards?" will get the rotten government they deserve, and probably be worse off anyway. This applies to other (somewhat) democratic countries as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 02 Jul 12 - 09:12 AM President Obama spun a work of creative nonfiction yesterday in his latest pitch for his jobs plan, fudging the facts of a Boston schoolteacher's White House visit as he cast the man as a poster boy for the hot-button bill. "I had a chance to meet a young man named Robert Baroz," the president said at a midday news conference. "He's got two decades of teaching experience. He's got a master's degree. He's got an outstanding track record of helping his students make huge gains in reading and writing. In the last few years, he's received three pink slips because of budget cuts. Why wouldn't we want to pass a bill that puts somebody like Robert back in the classroom teaching our kids?" Two problems: Obama never met Baroz. And Baroz was happily employed. Boston Globe |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Andrez Date: 02 Jul 12 - 09:17 AM What gets me, looking at things American from afar in Aust is just how dumb some people can be to support parties, policies and politicians whose sole objective is to cling onto or gain power and control in ways that are so patently contrary to the interests of the ordinary person and the common good. Joe Bageant traced this process and how it came to be in America so eloquently and vividly in his book Deer Hunting with Jesus: Dispatches from America's Class War.. Check it out and see how this came to be. The tragedy is that what is happening in the US is being replicated all around the globe. Australia being the good buddy of the US has been following readily down the same sluice gate ever since one of our stupid Prime Ministers in the '60s said "All the way with LBJ". And so we did right into Vietnam. In latter years we swallowed the "weapons of mass destruction" line and landed into yet another US led mess. In the mean time our parties, policies and politicians are behaving and talking in ways that are rapidly becoming indistinguishable from that lot in the US. Just take the current debate and policy paralysis over a handful of asylum seekers trying to get away from all the madness in the Middle East and parts of Asia as one example. When you actually look at the policies of both our major parties they are full of variants of the same neoliberal rhetoric that you hear in the US. In the end these parties are literally indistinguishable from each other apart from their particular brand of 'spin'. In the meantime parts of Australia have a third world health service. Elsewhere unemployed people are expected to live on $35.00 a day while trying to find work that is regularly being sent off shore in the name of 'efficiency and competition' and all the while we claim that we are a first world country! All this is happening while government doesnt blink in handing out subsidies to unprofitable and poorly managed industries that amount to little more than 'business welfare'. The local Murdoch press actively tells people here that this is a good thing and because they don't have the critical skills an awful lot of people here believe the lies just like the US viewers of Fox News do over there. It could be worse though, I guess we could be grateful as we haven't got our own Tea Party, apart from a few wannabees, trying to 'convert' the population and set the political agenda.....so far! Good on you Little Hawk for telling it how it is. You're not alone out there in the land of sanity and reason. Cheers, Andrez |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Richard Bridge Date: 02 Jul 12 - 11:41 AM You see, there goes the lunatic right again. Barack Obama did not say that he had met Baroz. He said, from the quote, that he had had a chance to meet him. And so he had, when (according to Sorearse) Baroz visited the White House. And Barack Obama did not say (according to the quote) that Baroz was unemployed. He said that he had had three pink slips in few years due to budget cuts. No word of a lie. Merely economy with the truth. That's a large part of the point of the Guardian article - Romney does not merely choose which truths and how much of them to tell. He lies. Even Sorearse should know the difference. Meanwhile, Robert Baroz seems to support the Barack Obama position on teachers, here: http://articles.boston.com/2011-10-07/news/30254865_1_jobs-bill-english-teacher-obama |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: SINSULL Date: 02 Jul 12 - 12:02 PM Reminds me of an email I received a few elections back with quotes of Al Gore's misspeaks. Hilarious stuff until I pointed out that the boob who said them was actually Bush not Gore. I included links to news articles backing up the truth. Not fair, claimed the sender. It was absolute truth when he thought Gore said it and obvious political BS when Bush was accused of the same. LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Don Firth Date: 02 Jul 12 - 01:28 PM Exactly so, Sins. And that's the problem with a number of people on these discussions. Facts to them are like Silly-Putty. They mold them to fit their own predelictions. Trying to have a serious discussion with them is like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall. That's why I'm spending less time here and more time doing a bit of political work in the Real World. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Jul 12 - 03:31 PM Sawzaw attributes things without links and does not differentiate his own comments from what he claims to be quoting. Wall Street Journal |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Elmore Date: 02 Jul 12 - 04:20 PM Odd. Many of us weren't crazy about him when hewas our governor, but he wasn,t unbearable. He pretended to be a moderate, no matter what he says now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Jul 12 - 04:26 PM I guess he governed moderately. Did he? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Elmore Date: 03 Jul 12 - 09:37 AM Pretty much. As I recall. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Jul 12 - 10:29 AM I think his supporters have the best descriptions for him. So which is perfectly oiled weather vane or is he an etch-a-sketch? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bill D Date: 03 Jul 12 - 11:17 AM There are (at least) two types of liar. Those who consciously tell a blatant untruth, and those who...somehow... like a good actor who becomes his character for the duration of the play, manages to lie to himself in order to advance a position. Since we don't read minds, it is hard to guess exactly what processes are going on in the heads of folks like Romney who can seemingly hold 2 or 3 contradictory positions at once... or at least on successive days. It may be that Romney actually convinces HIMSELF that he's merely 'clarifying' a point or position. In any case, the degree to which he does it, in the face of bushels of evidence about his weather-vane-etch-a-sketch behavior, should be a red flag to voters.... but, as noted, those who already WANT to believe what he spouts will just suck it down.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Jul 12 - 04:12 PM He has got to know, especially after it has been pointed out to him dozens of times by his Republican rivals. It has to be a tactic rather than a moral choice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Ebbie Date: 03 Jul 12 - 05:34 PM "It has to be a tactic rather than a moral choice." Surely it does involve morality? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Jul 12 - 05:40 PM The first time, certainly. As an ongoing practice. That horse has long left the barn. But instead of "moral choice" I should have found better words. But it doesn't look like he is deceiving himself. Not from my point of view anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bill D Date: 03 Jul 12 - 07:30 PM He has really painted himself into a corner.... can't easily hold ANY position that is not already something he has denied or authored |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Jul 12 - 08:18 PM According to the Maddow show referenced and linked to in Richard's link. Romney liar? He just keeps on at it in spite of all fact checking and criticism. It seems like a bizarre strategy. God help us all if it works. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Janie Date: 03 Jul 12 - 08:25 PM Romney's campaign is putting no more spin on than is Obama's campaign. It is the nature of politics. The problem I have with LH's remarks is I am always suspicious of anyone who speaks in terms of "truths." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 04 Jul 12 - 07:14 PM The president's campaign fails to back up its claims that Romney 'shipped jobs' overseas. [Blows Hard Like Jack] Factcheck.org Obama accuses Romney in a series of TV ads of being a "corporate raider" who "shipped jobs to China and Mexico," asking if voters want to elect an "outsourcer in chief." But the claims in the ads are untrue, and others are thinly supported. Bain Capital, the venture capital firm founded by Romney in 1984, is the focus of the Obama campaign's attacks. There is no question that Bain invested in some companies that helped other companies outsource work and that some of that work went overseas. That was the core business for Modus Media and SMTC Corp. — two outsource companies featured in a June 21 article in the Washington Post that has been the basis of recent Obama TV ads. Bain also invested in U.S.-based companies that sold goods manufactured here and abroad, and some of those companies closed U.S. facilities and eliminated U.S. jobs. But after reviewing numerous corporate filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, contemporary news accounts, company histories and press releases, and the evidence offered by both the Obama and Romney campaigns, we found no evidence to support the claim that Romney — while he was still running Bain Capital — shipped American jobs overseas. One TV ad, called "Come and Go," claims that Romney "shipped jobs to China and Mexico." But two examples cited by the Obama campaign occurred after Romney left Bain. There's no clear evidence that a third company shipped jobs to China under Romney. A second ad called "Revealed" mocks Romney's tough talk about cracking down on China's trade practices by saying "all he's ever done is send them our jobs" and citing the Washington Post article. But the newspaper article contained no examples of U.S. jobs being shipped to China while Romney was working at Bain. The "Come and Go" ad casts Romney as a "corporate raider," but that term, loaded with negative connotations, is simply inaccurate. Bain didn't engage in hostile takeovers when Romney was at the helm. That ad also repeats the claim that as governor of Massachusetts, Romney was "outsourcing state jobs to India." But it wasn't the state that outsourced contracts. Rather, Romney vetoed a measure that would have prevented the state from doing business with a state contractor that was locating state customer-service calls in India. Analysis Ours was not a comprehensive review of every company Bain Capital invested in — there are hundreds — nor every one of the transactions the company undertook on behalf of those companies. It is incumbent upon the Obama campaign to back up its claims. Our conclusions are based on the examples provided by the Obama campaign and — because the Obama ads cited a Washington Post story — the examples cited in that newspaper's account. Representatives of the Romney campaign met with editors of the Washington Post this week and asked for a retraction of the story. The Post stood behind its story, but added that "the language in the [Obama campaign] commercials went beyond the Post article by calling Romney himself an 'outsourcing pioneer' and suggesting that the former Massachusetts governor would be the 'outsourcer in chief' if elected." Romney 'Shipped Jobs to China'? The first of these attack ads was titled "Come and Go" and began airing June 20. It starts by saying Romney campaigned as a "job creator" when running for governor in 2002. "But as a corporate raider, he shipped jobs to China and Mexico," the ad goes on to say. Lots, lots more here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 04 Jul 12 - 08:03 PM Romney is either a bald faced liar or a moron... You pick... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 04 Jul 12 - 08:05 PM " Barack Obama did not say that he had met Baroz. He said, from the quote, that he had had a chance to meet him. And so he had, when (according to Sorearse) Baroz visited the White House. And Barack Obama did not say (according to the quote) that Baroz was unemployed. He said that he had had three pink slips in few years due to budget cuts. " I see now. It is like those ads for diet pills on TV. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 04 Jul 12 - 08:14 PM I wonder if Romney believes The West Bank is no bigger than Washington DC? It would take a either a bald faced liar or a moron to believe that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 04 Jul 12 - 08:57 PM Or someone who understandably got it confused with the Gaza. Not the same who personally repeats lies after having them pointed out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 04 Jul 12 - 09:18 PM http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/22/rachel-maddow-mitt-romney-lies_n_1372408.html Listen from the 6:35 mark where Maddow spends 6 whole minutes listing and documenting Romney lies and three major Republicans call him a liar. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 04 Jul 12 - 09:23 PM Gaza = 139 sq miles Distric of Columbia = 68.2 square miles |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 04 Jul 12 - 09:36 PM Hmmmmm??? Seems that Romney has quite large off-shore accounts that he doesn't have any interest in talking about... Is that lying??? Well, seems that lying is in the eyes of the beholder but using corrupt tax laws to shelter income is, at the very least, dishonest and unAmerican... Google "Sankaty High Yield Investments, LTD" for starters... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 04 Jul 12 - 10:00 PM DC population about 0.6 million Gaza about 1.2 million, no tall buildings in either place one due to DC rules the other due to foreign intervention. Both very small but larger than Vatican City. Population density about the same. Both had large portions of land illegally annexed, in fact if Virginia had not reneged on donating half the land for DC they would be nearly identical. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: catspaw49 Date: 05 Jul 12 - 03:31 PM I'm sick to death of the Romney/Repub/Rove tactic of "I'm rubber, you're glue," especially when they are so ridiculous.......... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 05 Jul 12 - 03:39 PM It is the equivalence that media gives it that gets me. As if botched surveillance by one or a couple of Arizona ATF agents was the same as Cheney setting up his own "intelligence" organization in the Pentagon to filter out all the data that didn't make the case for war with Iraq. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: catspaw49 Date: 05 Jul 12 - 04:11 PM I agree J.....Ya' know there are times, I can't figure out where to start on what and who and why pisses me off the most! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 06 Jul 12 - 05:12 PM I wonder if Jack believes that The West Bank has the highest population density of any place in the Middle East? The West Bank has a population density of 758 people per sq mile compared to 2560 in Bahrain, 920 in Lebanon and slightly higher in Israel with 750 per sq mile Or if Jack believes that either the West Bank or Gaza is no bigger than Washington DC? Or if the Population density about the same? Gaza 1,657,155 pop/139 sqm = 1,1922 DC 617,966 pop/68.2 sqm = 9061 It would take either a bald faced liar or a moron to believe that... You pick... WTF does it have to do with the Vatican or tall buildings? Seems like blowhard #2 has found his voice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 06 Jul 12 - 05:48 PM On just about every level, this ad is misleading, unfair and untrue. Boboert would scream ****A BIG ASS LIE***** Simply repeating the same debunked claims won't make them true. 4 Pinocchios for Obama's newest anti-Romney ad The washington Post The Obama campaign apparently loves to ding former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney with the charge of "outsourcing." On several occasions, we have faulted the campaign for its claims, apparently to little avail. Now, all of the claims have been combined in one 30-second ad, with the added incendiary charge that Romney was a "corporate raider." Let's look anew at this material. The Facts The phrase "corporate raider" has a particular meaning in the world of finance. Here's the definition on Investopedia: "An investor who buys a large number of shares in a corporation whose assets appear to be undervalued. The large share purchase would give the corporate raider significant voting rights, which could then be used to push changes in the company's leadership and management. This would increase share value and thus generate a massive return for the raider." In other words, this is generally an adversarial stance, in which an investor sees an undervalued asset and forces management to spin off assets, take the company private or break it up. In a previous life, The Fact Checker covered renowned corporate raiders such as Carl Icahn and his ilk. We also have closely studied Bain Capital and can find no examples that come close to this situation; its deals were done in close association with management. Indeed, Bain generally held onto its investments for four or five years, in contrast to the quick bust-em-ups of real corporate raiders. So calling Romney a "corporate raider" is a real stretch. So how does the Obama campaign justify this phrase? It cites a single Reuters story from last August, about a campaign stop in New Hampshire, written by a stringer. Buried in the article is a reference to Romney as a "former corporate raider." "Reuters typically refers to Romney as a 'former private equity executive' or something along those lines," said Ros Krasny, the Boston bureau chief. "Of the hundreds of times we have referenced Romney over the past year or more, honestly, that example from [the stringer] must have just slipped through the net — 10 months ago." A better source for Romney's behavior as an investor might be someone who actually worked on Wall Street, such as former Obama auto czar Steven Rattner. "Bain Capital is not now, nor has it ever been, some kind of Gordon Gekko-like, fire-breathing corporate raider that slashed and burned companies, immolating jobs wherever they appear in its path," Rattner wrote in Politico this year. Regarding the outsourcing claims, we have frowned on these before. The Obama campaign rests its case on three examples of Bain-controlled companies sending jobs overseas. But only one of the examples — involving Holson Burns Group — took place when Romney was actively managing Bain Capital. Regarding the other claims, concerning Canadian electronics maker SMTC Manufacturing and customer service firm Modus Media, the Obama campaign tries to take advantage of a gray area in which Romney had stepped down from Bain — to manage the Salt Lake City Olympics — but had not sold his shares in the firm. We had previously given the Obama campaign Three Pinocchios for such tactics. The Modus Media case is also not an example of shipping jobs overseas. The company closed one plant in California and transferred the jobs to North Carolina, Washington and Utah. At the same time, it opened an unrelated plant in Mexico. The Obama campaign once trumpeted the fact that we had dinged a conservative Super PAC for making the same leap in logic. The claim that Romney outsourced jobs as governor is equally overblown. This concerns Romney's veto of a bill that would have prohibited Massachusetts from contracting with companies that outsourced the state's work to other countries. Lawmakers were especially concerned about a $160,000-a-month contract with Citigroup to operate a system of electronic food-stamp cards that included a customer phone service center in India. Both the liberal editorial page of the Boston Globe and conservative editorial page of the Boston Herald urged Romney to veto the amendment, saying it would cost the state money. Romney agreed, saying the measure did not protect state jobs — the call center might have moved from India to another state — but "had the potential of costing our citizens a lot more money." The Democratic-dominated Massachusetts legislature did not override his veto, even though it overturned 117 others, suggesting that there was little real support for the measure. When the food-stamp contract expired, the Massachusetts Department of Transitional Assistance insisted that those jobs be returned to the United States. But they ended up in a call center based in Utah — just as Romney had predicted. As we mentioned, we recounted this ancient Massachusetts history before, giving the campaign Two Pinocchios. So we were very surprised that the Obama campaign cited that critical Fact Checker column as a source for the ad in its back-up materials. The ad also cites as a source a Boston Globe article from last month that merely reports on an earlier ad making similar charges. That's highly circular reasoning Upon hearing this ad was under consideration for a tough rating, the Obama campaign supplied reams of additional SEC documents regarding Romney's ownership in Bain after he left for the Olympics, most of which we had examined previously when we first looked at this question. The campaign also supplied SEC documents showing that two of these companies, Modus and SMTC, as well as one called Stream International (a predecessor of Modus), earned money in part by helping other companies subcontract work overseas. Some of this business predated Romney's departure from Bain, but thus far it seems a slim case for this particular ad. "Romney can't run from his record. At Bain and in Massachusetts, he had the chance to keep jobs in America and sent them overseas instead," said Kara Carscaden, deputy press secretary for the Obama campaign. "Even while he was at the Olympics, Romney owned and profited from Bain, continues to profit from it today and cannot ignore what Bain did during that time. Whether it's outsourcing public jobs to India or shipping private ones to Mexico and China, Romney's record is clear." The Obama campaign fails to make its case. On just about every level, this ad is misleading, unfair and untrue, from the use of "corporate raider" to its examples of alleged outsourcing. Simply repeating the same debunked claims won't make them any more correct. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Jul 12 - 06:26 PM Sawzaw, If you could read, you would be a liberal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 06 Jul 12 - 07:08 PM Does it say that somewhere in your copy of Rules for Radicals handbook? I never read that one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 06 Jul 12 - 08:12 PM "this ad is misleading, unfair and untrue, from the use of "corporate raider" " Isn't this this overstated? Did Bain Capital buy companies and drain them of assets and profit for themselves or not? So they look a little longer and some companies survived. They did. Absolutely they did, The article makes the case that they were not Gordon Gecko. Well Duh!! Gordon Gecko was a fictional exaggeration. By Oliver Stone. Oliver Stone!! The exaggerator in chief. Of course Bain was not Gordon Gecko. But they did raid corporations. Romney did outsource at Bain and outsourcing to China and Mexico happened while he was "on leave" (Still an employee) or soon after he left. Almost certainly not long after he left for the whole process to have taken place. I think this dude deserves a couple of Pinochios for giving out so many Pinocchios. Unless you think that the typical viewer of the ads is familiar with the term Corporate raider while the Pinocchio giver had to look it up. BTW here is the Wiki definition. "A corporate raid is an American-English business term for buying a large interest in a corporation and then using voting rights to enact measures directed at increasing the share value. The measures might include replacing top executives, downsizing operations, or liquidating the company." That would mean that if the people who wrote the ad were using the Wiki Definition then the Obama ad would be telling the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth about whether Bain was a corporate raider. I just heard one of the Obama ads about Romney. It said that Romney's COMPANIES exported jobs to China. Do they say Romney's companies in the ad the Washington Post reviewed? If so, no lie was told at all. If not, they have learned something they did not know and the lie has been corrected. You have to know that you are lying to be lying. You know, like when Romney repeatedly has his lies pointed out and still tells them. Nothing to see here folks. Except maybe for a Washington Post Employee too quick to give "Pinicchios." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 07 Jul 12 - 07:40 PM A corporate raid is a hostile takeover. "Bain didn't engage in hostile takeovers when Romney was at the helm" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 07 Jul 12 - 08:19 PM Undeterred by independent fact-checkers that have debunked the thrust of their claims, the Obama campaign is redoubling attacks on Mitt Romney as an "outsourcer" in a new TV ad airing in eight battleground states. ABC OTUS News The 30-second spot — titled "The Problem" — claims Romney condoned the Chinese "taking our jobs and taking a lot of our future." "He made a fortune letting it happen," the narrator says, focusing on Bain Capital outsourcing to China, a country Romney has vowed to challenge as president. It's the latest in a steady drumbeat of negative attacks on Romney's record as a corporate buyout specialist, alleging he profited off of deliberately bankrupting companies and sending jobs overseas. The inclusion of China in the new ad also comes as Obama tries to bolster his image as a hard-liner against China. On Thursday, the administration lodged a new complaint against China at the World Trade Organization, challenging tariffs on U.S. auto exports. The case coincided with Obama's campaign bus tour through auto manufacturing country of Ohio and Pennsylvania. The Romney campaign called the latest ad a continuation of "desperate lies," citing reports by several independent fact-checkers that have discredited the suggestion that Romney himself had a direct role in relocating U.S. jobs overseas. "We found no evidence to support the claim that Romney — while he was still running Bain Capital — shipped American jobs overseas," FactCheck.org concluded in a report last month. Washington Post fact checker Glenn Kessler also concluded that while Bain-owned companies may have engaged in outsourcing, Romney's ties to the practice are tenuous. The ad blitz comes in spite of Obama's comments to audiences on his bus tour last week decrying the negative tone of the campaign on TV. "You guys are getting bombarded with all kinds of nonsense on TV. So I know that sometimes politics can be discouraging, and especially Washington politics can be discouraging, and it can seem small and it can seem petty," Obama said Friday. Independent media monitors that track campaign advertising report that 76 percent of the TV ads Obama's campaign has aired over the past month have had a negative, "anti-Romney" message. The new ad begins airing Saturday in New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Ohio, Iowa, Colorado, and Nevada, the Obama campaign said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Greg F. Date: 07 Jul 12 - 09:58 PM Maybe that "anti-Romney message" is because Romney is a lying chamelion? As opposed to the outright lies, falsehoods and bullshit about the Prez in the Tea-publican Koch funded ads? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 07 Jul 12 - 10:03 PM "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 07 Jul 12 - 10:35 PM Thanks for posting that Saz. I posted this on Yahoo. Finding the honest, competent Yahoo writer seems to be the problem. The ad he linked to on this page says that "Romney's friends" did the actual outsourcing and Romney benefited form that. The articles on the other pages, by Fact Check and Kessler, say that is exactly what happened. It shows that The Obama Campaign learns from its errors and corrects them. While Devin Dyer apparently chose to ignore the differences in dialog between the ads he complained about and the ads he was using as the basis of his complaint. It is either a hatchet job of gross incompetence. Is Devin Dwyer worthy of his salary at Yahoo? I hope the administration of these comments forwards this to Devin Dwyer's boss. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Richard Bridge Date: 07 Jul 12 - 10:45 PM And thus, by further extension, Republicans are the greatest enemy of the state - as they intend to be for their avowed purpose is to diminish the state. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 08 Jul 12 - 12:31 AM Hmmmmmmmm I thought it said the truth is the greatest enemy of the state. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 08 Jul 12 - 12:41 AM I see Jack is into the logical fallacy of ad hominem attacks when he can't disprove the facts. Maybe Blowhard #2 Jack can disprove this factchecker He seems to have run out of air on the Gaza DC Vatican tall buildings thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 08 Jul 12 - 01:16 AM "He seems to have run out of air on the Gaza DC Vatican tall buildings thing. " It is customary to quit when the opponent is defeated. Even more so when he begs for more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Jul 12 - 01:55 AM I can't believe it!!..You guys arguing if Romney lies??..and Obama is a truth teller?? Jeez!! Maybe you could change the dialogue, into WHO is a bigger liar?? Who puts up a bigger bullshit front?? Why don't you just all vote for Obomney!! You guys STILL just don't plain 'get it'!!..and refuse to DEMAND better from your own 'parties'..or you won't vote for them! Reminds me of a woman I once counseled who had problems with her confidence, on her attractiveness to her man, and just pleaded with him to "at least lie to me"....astounding! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 08 Jul 12 - 02:17 AM Vote for this guy!! Whether you like this guy, or not..listen to a lot of you have also said Don't worry, though, he's not running...as far as I know. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Stringsinger Date: 08 Jul 12 - 05:49 PM Romney is a tax dodger. He doesn't care if he ruins businesses and has no faith in the American economy, since he offshores all of his money. He will impose his authoritarian values on the American people if he is elected and I predict a major economic depression as a result. He might even bring back polygamy, who knows? :) Most politicians rationalize their lies since they consider that they know what's best for the public. The Mormon Church is extremely authoritarian and run by rigid theological rules. This is Romney's background. Kennedy was able to some degree keep his Catholicism out of the presidency as far as we know, but Catholics seem more eclectic today than ever. Mormons are not. I think Romney showed his attitude toward African-American kids when he made his little funny to them, "Who let the dogs out?" It was patronizing and that's where he's at. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 08 Jul 12 - 05:57 PM When Blowhard #2 runs out of air the claims victory a slinks off into the bushes. Jacks Victory: "DC population about 0.6 million Gaza about 1.2 million, no tall buildings in either place, so what does that have to do with the claim? one due to DC rules the other due to foreign intervention. so what does that have to do with the claim? Both very small except that one is over twice the size of the other.but larger than Vatican City.so what does that have to do with the claim? Population density about the same.The Washington DC comparison was only to size, not population. Both had large portions of land illegally annexed,so what? in fact if Virginia If then logical fallacy. had not reneged on donating half the land for DC they would be nearly identical. " But they aren't The original claim was that the West bank, shifted to Gaza by Jack the shape shifter, Was the most densely populated place on earth. Neither country is the most densely populated place on Earth and neither are any where near the size of Washington DC. So if you want to crawl back out of the bushes beat me up some more Jack, have at it. I don't mind Weaselly Shapeshifting Blowhards or conservative shitholes with high priced tuition that foreigners are clamoring to pay a bit. It just makes things more interesting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 08 Jul 12 - 06:19 PM Sawzaw. I made my claim, you have made yours. I think I won. You are flogging a dead horse. Calling me names does not help. Especially since you often accuse others, including me of "ad hominem" "attacks." I personally think that Gaza and DC are very similar. While they are not exactly the same size relatively the same size and similar as compared to the world's other geographic entities. Compare both to Greenland, Los Angeles or Vatican City. Gaza and Washington are pretty much the same. I notice you included no context for President Obama's alleged lie on this point. Is that an indication of a moral failing on your part or is that an innocent error of omission. Think about your mistake in context of what you accuse Obama of before you cast the next stone. Whatever you do I won't be answering you. I have the option of talking with reasonable, fair people who are not purposefully ignorant and who do not call me names. Why would I want to continue talking to you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 08 Jul 12 - 07:14 PM DC and Gaza are not the facts in question. You have shifted ground by claiming something hypothetical. You win in the unproven hypothetical fallacy of the If Then fallacy. You are very adept at those misleading tactics. Also you are good at interjecting things that have nothing to do with the original claim as a diversionary tactic that blowhards use. Bottom line is you have no proven or disproved anything. This is what a Blowhard does, talks and talks and filibusters trying to spend time and wear the other side out with bullshit. So is The West Bank or Gaza the most populated place on earth or not? I believe it is Bahrain and The west bank is no more populated than Israel. Is the West bank or Gaza no bigger than DC or not? I believe they are bigger than DC. These are simple questions that you bloviate over rather than admitting to the truth. That is what a blowhard does. Blowhards try to stick together in their trade-craft and cover for each other so you try to help out Blowhard #1 who is now to chicken to speak for himself. Sill I haven't called either of you a liar or stupid which is primitive, low class, crude, uncivilized, immature and antisocial. Civilization is not built on calling each other liar or stupid. Rather, both of you, whether you realize it or not are under the influence of Tribal Politics. You believe you must divide everybody in to two camps, us and them, good and bad, mean and nice and constantly battle the other camp using their battle against you as a reason to battle them. This does not solve any of the problems in the world. It does not make the world a better place. It does not build civilizations but merely tears them apart. Each person needs to analyze everything that is said and every action someone takes and determine independently if it is good or bad regardless of who said it or who took the action. If you lack that ability or let tribal politics over ride it, you are doomed to the same life or worse for ever. The world will not progress. My god man, you know that the West Bank and Gaza are bigger than Washington DC and that they are not the most populated place on earth but you doggedly try to deny it to protect your tribe and it gets you nowhere. Please read up on logical fallacy and tribal politics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 08 Jul 12 - 07:39 PM Yo, Jack... Hint: Sawz will just post more quantity of the SOS thinking that quantity of BS makes the BS the truth??? I know... It just means more BS... But you know that... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 08 Jul 12 - 07:45 PM I have no trouble truthfully saying that Gaza is larger than DC I have no trouble truthfully saying that relatively speaking compared to other geographic areas the are about the same size and I have no trouble understanding the gaffe that you imply Romney made saying that DC and the West Bank were the same size, if he got the West Bank confused with Gaza. Why don't you produce the quote and we can see for ourselves? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 08 Jul 12 - 08:43 PM I made no such implication between Romney and Washington DC. Point it out. That was Bobert that claimed The West Bank was no bigger than Washington DC. I wondered if Romney believed the same and that it would take a Moron or bald faced liar [Bobert's descriptions] to claim that. Bobert's BS and continued inability to man up to his mistakes points out his his HPD and lack of humility as summed up in his statement "First of all, I am very rarely wrong!!! No brag, just pure fact!!!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 08 Jul 12 - 08:53 PM Yo, Sawz... Guess what??? No one here cares... Other than two or three people who think you are cool, your obsession with me doesn't much interest the other 500 billion people on the inter net... What you don't and have never gotten is that I am a writer... I use puffery... All writer do... Mark Twain did... Earnest Hemingway did... This is what writers do... Get it??? No, you don't... You are a Nazi... Nazis dont' get shit... They are rigid literalists... They are all math and no logic... That is you... Find another "love object" to obsess over... I am perfectly happy without a stalking OCD freak out there in cyber land obsessing over me... But if you get a big hard on over it then beat yer meat... I frankly don't give a flying fuck... Have a nice life... Bye... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Jul 12 - 05:35 AM Bobert: "Hint: Sawz will just post more quantity of the SOS thinking that quantity of BS makes the BS the truth??? I know... It just means more BS... But you know that.." I think that question was already asked by Jack the Sailor, in the other thread... "Why would "common sense" need to be repeated 30 times unless it is political dogma?".............. ...and answered by me, "Because parrots who are INTO political dogma don't understand what common sense is!!....they just squawk for another free cracker." How many time do you have to repeat "Hell-O-O" before a parrot will say it???....(Quite a few).... However, if they had common sense....... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,who Date: 09 Jul 12 - 08:38 AM Does this guy Bobert speak for everybody? He seems to want to tell everybody what to think and what to believe. Brainwashing. Mark Twain did... Earnest Hemingway did... That was fiction, Was it not? This self aggrandizing fellow wants people to believe his fiction over fact. I do believe The West Bank is larger than The District of Columbia and I do believe Qatar is the most Densely populated. Why would anyone want anyone to believe otherwise? Perhaps this will put the fiction into perspective. http://www.cija.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Infographic-Population-Density.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Jul 12 - 11:52 AM Dr. Who: "Does this guy Bobert speak for everybody? He seems to want to tell everybody what to think and what to believe. Brainwashing." Bobert, I believe he is a sincere, intentioned Democrat...who believes the Republicans and the Tea Party, were bought off by globalist bankers..and that the Democrats apparently weren't worth 'buying off', so they were exempt, from the corruption, of those groups. Don Firth is his partner, in all this, but, from all indications, not as sincere as Bobert..but rather a self appointed 'activist'. That being said, their sincerity, out of a sense of a lack of alternatives, has rendered them a bit myopic, and left them sincerely wrong! Waving!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 09 Jul 12 - 12:02 PM Will Rogers once said, "I am not a member of any organized political party... I'm a Democrat"... Well, I grew up with a Democrat (my mom) and a staunch Republican (my dad) who would on occasion get into so very heated discussions at the supper table... I kinda sided with my mom more but my dad would score a point now and then... Rarely... So I worked for Bobby Kennedy and then later, Jimmy Carter... By the time Slick Willie came around I was sick of Democrats and went Green and stayed green until the 2nd Bush term... Guess I'm haning with Dems these days but no longer a Democrat... Just need to stop the TeaPubs and then go back to 3rd party... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Jul 12 - 12:20 PM Bobert: "Well, I grew up with a Democrat (my mom) and a staunch Republican (my dad) who would on occasion get into so very heated discussions at the supper table... I kinda sided with my mom more but my dad would score a point now and then... Rarely..." OHHHHHHHHHHH, so it's a matter of just having issues....reminiscent of, "17 Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of the woman, and have eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you.... Love ya' Bobert!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Ebbie Date: 09 Jul 12 - 12:36 PM Wow. GfS, do you realize how misanthropic it sounds? You got a problem with us? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 09 Jul 12 - 01:02 PM Well, I'm going on record of sayin' that loves all the womenz... I don't care if the green, yellow 'er red, got boils on 'um, don't exactly talk right 'er nuthin'... I loves 'um all... Especially my mom... She ain't got no boils on her but at 92 would give any TeaPub out there a butt whuppin' in a *judged* debate where debatin' rules apply... Sho nuff would... But with that said I feel I do have confess that as part of my blues act I love to stick the following into the set: "Hey, ya'll... You know what the blues is about, dontcha??? Well, it's 99 percent about women and other natural disasters"... It ain't meant to put thje womenz down... It's just funny and the womenz love it when I do that 'cause by that point in the set it ain't no secret that I'm up there having fun... But as fir womenz... I loves Ebbie a bunch... Sho nuff do... She's like my sister... Sniff... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Jul 12 - 01:20 PM I love Ebbie, too...even though she's a bit lacking of a sense of humor. ...and besides, I didn't say it....God did!!(wink)...and Bobert's video talks about thinking of being a Baptist preacher. You guys need to smile, more.....if that don't work...find a 'happy' political party....or, just 'party'. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 09 Jul 12 - 01:30 PM "I made no such implication between Romney and Washington DC. Point it out." I gotta tell you buddy. You are in the habit of saying things that make you look pretty dumb. "I wonder if Romney believes The West Bank is no bigger than Washington DC?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Don Firth Date: 09 Jul 12 - 03:00 PM Well, a few people here know where their towel is. Bobert, Jack, Ebbie, Stringsinger. . . . GoofuS, Sawzaw, and SongWronger don't seem to even know what Universe they are in. So long, and thanks for the fish. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 09 Jul 12 - 04:36 PM Wow, I thought is was chicken??? Too much breading... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 09 Jul 12 - 04:55 PM Whale of a reference there Don. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 09 Jul 12 - 07:36 PM Don: Firth: "......So long, and thanks for the fish." Thanks but no thanks...I don't go for the bait! GfS P.S. Are you putting up your foil, and calling "Halt"? Sounds like it. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 09 Jul 12 - 07:41 PM Think Don has better things to do right now... Not to worry... He'll get his business fixed and be back with his dependable fact-based world view... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,TIA Date: 09 Jul 12 - 09:21 PM Don, I think your thanks for all the fish and towel references went right over somebody's head :D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 09 Jul 12 - 09:29 PM Normal, TIA... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 09 Jul 12 - 10:06 PM First of all Jack, a question is not an assertion. "I wonder if Romney believes The West Bank is no bigger than Washington DC?" Let me round that out for you Jack. I should have said I wonder if Romney believes The West Bank is no bigger than Washington DC Like Bobert does? This could be construed as a rhetorical question that contains the assertion that Bobert believes The West Bank is no bigger than Washington DC. However Bobert has stated that The West Bank is no bigger than Washington DC so evidently he believes it. That is unless he wants us to believe the bullshit things he says that he doesn't believe himself. So therefore I borrowed Bobert's own style of making belicose, blowhard assertions when I said "It would take a either a bald faced liar or a moron to believe that." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 09 Jul 12 - 10:12 PM >>First of all Jack, a question is not an assertion.<< Did I say it was an assertion? If you are going to be a pedantic jackass at least try to get it right. >>"I wonder if Romney believes The West Bank is no bigger than Washington DC?" Let me round that out for you Jack. I should have said I wonder if Romney believes The West Bank is no bigger than Washington DC Like Bobert does?<< That would have been clearer. Would have saved up both some time. But you didn't want to be clear. Did you? You wanted to be belicose (BELLICOSE). And you wer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 09 Jul 12 - 10:23 PM Never mind, Jack... This ain't about you... This is about a long obsession that Saws has with me... Ignore him... This is between his psychiatrist and Saws... Not you... Not me... I mean that 100%, Jack... Leave Saws alone... He has serious problems that aren't about either of us... And that is the sad truth... Leave it alone... Trust me... Leave it the heck alone... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 09 Jul 12 - 11:02 PM So belicose Boss Hog Bobert is so obsessed with himself that he needs to tell people what to believe and what to ignore again. For example the West bank is no bigger than Washington DC. I say West Bank is bigger than Washington DC. Bobert said the West Bank is no bigger than Washington DC. What do you beleive? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 09 Jul 12 - 11:16 PM "The Mormon Church is extremely authoritarian and run by rigid theological rules. This is Romney's background." As Senate Majority Leader and a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Harry Reid has achieved a more senior elected position in the United States government than any Mormon in history. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 09 Jul 12 - 11:34 PM Warning: Before you read this, ask Bobert if it is OK first. Obama campains against "Romney the outsourcer" using money from outsourcing. Obama's Outsourcing Far Worse Than Romney's Obama's second largest fundraiser is John Rogers, the CEO of investment giant Ariel Capital Management. He has raised more than $1.5 million for Obama's reelection campaign. Bully for him, except for one thing: Ariel Capital Management owns a $48.6 million stake in Accenture, which just happens to be, according to the International Association of Outsourcing Professionals, the nation's "best" outsourcer. And that's not all for Rogers; he stated that he wants to intensify the trend that started with moving call centers and factories overseas to outsourcing "day-to-day activities" including pest control, landscaping, and secretarial functions. And Rogers isn't ashamed one bit: "We're making a very big bet right now on outsourcing. People have generally soured on the idea, and many companies are trading at discounts to their private-market values. But we don't think that view accurately reflects the powerful secular growth we're going to see as companies and individuals outsource more of their day-to-day activities." Of course, Rogers isn't just anyone; he and Obama were buddies in Chicago, and Rogers' ex-wife Desiree left a $350,000 per year job at Allstate Insurance Company to serve as White House party planner. Obama's largest fundraiser, DreamWorks CEO Jeffrey Katzenberg, who raised $2 million for the campaign and co-hosted a $10 million Hollywood fundraiser in May, has been trying to outsource jobs to China by expanding his company's work there. Why, Jeffrey has even been investigated by the SEC for doing it. GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt was appointed by his good friend Barack to lead the White House Jobs Council. During Immelt's reign at GE, GE rid itself of more than 34,000 American workers, while adding 25,000 foreign workers to its payroll. Additionally, in July 2011, GE fired 150 workers at its X-ray division in Wisconsin and moved the operation to China, hiring 65 new workers there. While Obama's campaign released an ad boasting of green jobs it has created through energy loans it has given, they failed to mention a salient point: among the loans were three taxpayer-guaranteed loans to Spanish clean energy conglomerate Abengoa worth $2.78 billion to create 195 permanent jobs—more than $14 million per job—as well as a $529 million loan guarantee to Fisker Automotive, which manufactures $100,000 electric cars in Finland and is now virtually bankrupt. Obama gave GM $45 billion in tax breaks so GM did not have to pay a dime in income taxes after making a $7.6 billion profit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 10 Jul 12 - 03:56 AM The following is from the same (or a same) article partly quoted by Saws. It is worth a VERY close read. It raises a few questions that could use a few answers. Please note that people who support Romney don't give a rat's ass where the money comes from, and it's even better when it comes from taxpayers, mostly because there is a visceral pleasure Republicans and other quasi-Conservatives get from a big ripoff. The Bush administration took great glee in having pulled off one of the largest bank robberies in American history and here we have people on deck rearranging ping pong tables of the Titanic. Obama's choice was to let the USA seek protection behind Chapter 11 or feed the folks who were swimming in personal fortunes that make some States look to them with financial envy. Not much of a choice. And now we have Romney espousing the same thing. He deserves to be discounted (and likely will be at the polls), thus making his song and dance routine a waste of money. The day I trust any Republican about anything to do with taxpayers and money . . . . ################################################## "RECOMMENDED: 10 things to know about Mitt Romney Romney's six largest campaign contribution sources in 2011 were executives, family members and affiliated political action committees of Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, Credit Suisse, Citigroup and Bank of America, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington, D.C.-based group that monitors campaign finances. The center said that the leaders of the six Wall Street giants -- which were rescued from ruin by U.S. taxpayers about three years ago -- have given $1.8 million to the Romney campaign. As for Obama, Goldman Sachs was the sole major financial firm ranked among his top 20 contribution sources for 2011, with gifts of just $64,000 compared with $496,000 to Romney. As they line up behind Romney, banks and investment firms are being joined by a new generation of hedge fund and private equity managers with deep pockets. They are backing the candidate who comes from their ranks -- Romney, a former private equity executive. "The financial industry has preferred Romney from the beginning when he started his campaign," said Viveca Novak, spokesperson for the center. "He is of their world. They believe he understands them. So, not suprising they would favor him."' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 12 - 09:18 AM Yeah, it is interesting, brucie, that Romney had to spend so much $$$ to get through the primaries and now a month or so later leads Obama in $$$??? Throw in the Citizen Cowards United $$$ and the rich are trying, and may very well succeed, in outright buying the November election and have "yes boy" Romney right where they want him which means... ...another Wall Street meltdown within the next 4 years ...more polluted air ...more polluted water ...and the slow dismantling of the New Deal... Sounds like Somalia to me... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 10 Jul 12 - 02:38 PM So, a guy--let's call him presidential candidate Shucks--makes promises he's making and then if he keeps them, the only places to get the money from is 1) the American people 2) special interest groups, whom we know have the population's best interests at heart So, Shucks gets elected. Guess where the payback will come from? The special interest groups have already paid once, so Shucks will turn to that never-ending supply of cash, the American people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 10 Jul 12 - 02:45 PM Bruce he can't force the US people to donate. I don't see your point. As I recall, then senator Obama, got a lot of money from Wall Street. But he got much much more from donations from the American people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 12 - 02:51 PM Romney's donors are writing the big checks... What was it the other night??? $40K for a steak dinner??? Obama continues to get his checks $50 at a time... Obama gets 50 donors for every Romney donor yet is losing the $$$ battle bad... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Jul 12 - 03:15 PM The prices for Obama's fund-raising dinners were cut in half, because his 'grass roots' support has fallen dramatically. He, too, now has to depend on the big bucks coming in from big donors. Now if you don't believe me, at least Google up some info, before running your mouth......then, I won't have to insult you! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 12 - 03:24 PM So who are these big donors that Obama has lined up, GfinS??? BTW, very interesting piece on Super PACS @ Washington Post on line... Give it a read... Back to the sweat shop... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Jul 12 - 03:46 PM I read it...and I agree with you(shock), but in the last election it was Wall Street who backed Obama..what went wrong? Why the shift? They didn't get their money's worth??..or a 'better deal with Romney?? Either way, YOU, and US are NOT being represented. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 12 - 05:09 PM Yeah, Wall Street knew that in the words of the prophet, "Their asses were grass"... So they loaded up both Obama and McCain with more going to Obama thinking that if he got elected maybe he wouldn't come down on them as hard as McCain would which, of course, McCain wouldn't... It was all calculated on their part to save their asses... And we on the left aren't too happy that none of these crooks have been prosecuted... No one ever said that Obama represents the left other than ya'll TeaPubs... He ain't and, yeah, we're disappointed that he didn't bust some balls... The investigations are taking way too long... These crooks are going to die of old age at the rate Holder is going... Wall Street didn't much like Dodd-Frank so their $$$ is now going into Romney Super PACs and you can take that to the bank (pun intended)... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Jul 12 - 05:15 PM OK..I can see that. Cool! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 12 - 07:18 PM BTW, GfinS... Romney collected $22M in June from donors $250 and down but... Romney collected $83.8M from 34,000 donors which averages $2400 per donor... Throw in the Citizen Cowards United $$$ going into Crossroads, et al, and what we are seeing is an all out push by the very wealthy to shut everyone up but Boss Hog... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 10 Jul 12 - 07:42 PM Jack, what I meant in plain words is that the banks that got robbed were bailed out by the taxpayer. No one will get elected on an austerity budget designed to pay the national debt within a reasonable time. People don't want to hear that and see millionaires and billionaires being created in and with Washington's help. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Don Firth Date: 10 Jul 12 - 08:20 PM To paraphrase William Wordsworth, Franklin Delano Roosevelt! Thou shouldst be living in this hour!I had high hopes for Obama, but I have been somewhat disappointed with what he has managed to accomplish so far. I'm fully aware that he has had a Congress that is Hell-Bent on blocking everything he has tried to do—and frankly, I'm not psychic, so I don't know what all goes on behind the scenes. Nor, for that matter, do others around here who claim they do, even though their information comes from sources like Livingston's Liberty Alerts and other Right-Wing and Tea Party blogs. But Roosevelt had tremendous force of personality, and in similar circumstances—the country in the depths of the Great Depression and a Congress that tried to block everything he tried, he got us out of the Depression, put the country back to work, and instituted a number of regulatory agencies to prevent the Force$ of Darkne$$ from doing it all over again. And NO, he didn't get us out of the Depression by starting World War II, like a lot of Republicans and other ignoramuses try to claim!! We were well out of it before Pearl Harbor. I was there, and I'm an old enough Old Fart to remember! It's taken Ronald Reagan and a bunch of other of Wall Street's puppets over thirty years to dismantle or render impotent the regulatory agencies that Roosevelt started, and Surprise Surprise, look where we are NOW! Roosevelt may have had to govern the country from a wheelchair, but that man could kick butt when he needed to! I wish there were someone out there with whatever it was that Roosevelt had. I'm sure as hell not going to vote for Romney. Kucinich isn't running, nor is Ralph Nader. A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Ayn Rand's ideal world, and if he gets in, I'm leaving for Alpha Centauri, even if I have to swim all the way! That leaves Barack Obama. If anyone has a viable better alternative, let them speak out, or forever stuff a sock in it!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 10 Jul 12 - 08:27 PM That bailout was planned and made necessary by Henry Paulson. Put it this way If the Secretary of the Treasury stand up and says in effect "If the banks aren't bailed out then confidence in the banking system will collapse." Then it does not matter if that was true or not the nanosecond before he said it. It becomes true from that moment on. I think there was a good chance that Paulson saw this coming for a while a and orchestrated the timing it to maximize the benefit to Goldman Sachs and the damage to President Elect Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 12 - 08:30 PM Romney will get elected pushing austerity... The entire TeaPub party is all austerity with 100% of deficit cutting on spending cuts... But when you have enough $$$ to sugar coat it and run negative ads against the other guys then the monkey's will pull the correct lever... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 10 Jul 12 - 08:34 PM Bobert He is not technically pushing austerity, he is saying that the stimulus from tax cuts will create jobs and lower the deficit. Just like it did under Reagan and Bush. Which of course, in the long run, they didn't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Jul 12 - 09:50 PM Bobert: "But when you have enough $$$ to sugar coat it and run negative ads against the other guys then the monkey's will pull the correct lever..." Ah!..Nice to see you are reading my posts, and understanding them, in a good way! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 10 Jul 12 - 10:02 PM I'm not reading your posts, GfinS... (Then how did you know what GfinS wrote, Boberdz???) Okay, I read one... But back to JtS... Yes, Romney, if you take the sugar coating off, is saying that he is 100% for austerity because he ignores that a thriving economy is dependent on public employees... You take them out of the equation and you have a major problem at any time, recession or not... These people serve the rest of the country... They do all kinds of shit that is really shit... They fight fires... They take water samples... They keep terrorist from hurting out people... They educate our kids... They... They... They... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 10 Jul 12 - 10:08 PM No wonder nothing dumb was said in the next post! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 11 Jul 12 - 01:49 AM Jack, we agree on something at last. Let the bells ring out and the banners fly. I do not blame Obama for the bailout. I blame Bush, completely and entirely. It wasn't like Obama had much of a choice figuring he picked up a bad hand from day one of his administration. They were not his debts and neither were Iraq and Afghanistan his wars. He just had to sweep up on desolation row. Were I voting in this election I would place it on Obama. I think a Republican win would herald the last days of the USA as you know it. Too many aspects of American politics (it gives Canadians a picture of what we too are fast becoming--we always try out shit that fails somewhere else, usually prompted to do so by big money interests for what reasons I'm sure I could only guess at) are tied to money. That is not what the early dudes who designed The Constitution had in mind. I think they envisioned people serving their government for a few years and then going back to their farms and towns to resume their occupations. These days they do investments and stay until they get caught doing something illegal, immoral, indecent or just downright stupid. Few of the early HR folks had squat to invest. Now it seems you can't be a politician without having an investment portfolio, and if you don't have one going in, you will when you leave. That aside, I think there is a need for a fourth party in the US, but one with a chance to force both Republicans and Democrats into line. Money has to be taken away from those who have it, not those who don't. The influence of money over government as it stands today is beyond ubiquitous--it is also blatant. Too many decisions to protect the moneyed classes, leaving the only explanation--too many judges are being told what the law is, and here we thought they knew that before becoming judges. Take away the people's voice and voila, one would have a communications system much like that exemplified by present-day media in the USA. And it is ultimately controlled by very few people. Despite being in breach of what once were called anti-monopoly laws and Competition laws (often called antitrust laws), it seems that bit by bit the laws have changed and if not welcome at least accept the breaches. My reference to a fourth party was a tacit recognition that lunatics already have the Tea Party, but since they seem to come from the Republican training camp they likely fall in that group. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 11 Jul 12 - 02:14 AM Bruce, The Tea Party is a subset of the GOP. In the beginning they were a bit of a coalition. But since 2010 they have been nothing but the fanatical branch of the GOP. We have the Greens and the Libertarians but they are a couple of percentage points, each. The way I see it, before we have a third major party, which would be wonderful, then everyone who is not a fundamentalist-constitution-distorting-tax-is-of-the-devil-Koch & Art Pope sponsored lunatic, has to band together and defeat those who are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 11 Jul 12 - 08:54 AM Here is what is going to have to happen before the US can get back to "we the people"... Someone like Romney will have to be elected with enough TeaPubs in both chambers of Congress to almost crush the New Deal... Then the people who are so anxious to parrot the TeaPub fight song will clearly see that they have been voting against their own interests... If Obama gets bought out then we might be a step closer to riding our country of the "me, me, me" mentality of the Koch borthers and their super wealthy pals who, BTW, are cowards because they are spending hundreds of million$ on attack ads while hiding in their castles... The Magna Carta goes back to 1215 AD and in it is the principle of one having the right to face one's accuser... No more with Citizen Cowards United... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Greg F. Date: 11 Jul 12 - 09:36 AM Then the people who are so anxious to parrot the TeaPub fight song will clearly see that they have been voting against their own interests... Why should they? They've been voting against their own interests for generations, since way before the current cancer that is the Tea Party, and the Boobocracy will contiue to do so until they vote themselves into a grave. As far as crushing the New Deal, we're already most of the way there, and the Boobocracy is cheering on the destruction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 11 Jul 12 - 09:45 AM There is a point in time when the pea-under-the-shell game loses it's entertainment value... When the Romney/TeaPub express goes after these folks Medicare and Social Security the push back is going to be fierce... And the TeaPubs and Romney are so out of touch they will try it... Look what happened when Paul Ryan so much as suggested privatizing Medicare... The TeaPubns are playing with fire and don't know it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 11 Jul 12 - 10:44 AM Like Obama's college transcripts? Which shell are they under? "When President Obama gave the commencement address last week at the Air Force Academy, he congratulated the cadets for excelling at one of the most demanding schools in the country. But decades after Mr. Obama completed his own college course work, his academic performance is still a mystery. Before and after his election as president, Mr. Obama has refused to release his college transcripts from his days as an undergraduate and a law school student. Most presidents' academic records are made public by the time they reach the highest office in the land, either with their consent or by someone else digging them up. There's no reason why people shouldn't know, said Stephen Hess, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution who focuses on the presidency. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Greg F. Date: 11 Jul 12 - 10:46 AM goes after these folks Medicare and Social Security the push back is going to be fierce Sorry, but no. The Boobocracy is IN FAVOR of privatizing both. By the time they realize - assuming they ever do - they've been screwed it'll be too late. Ya gotta have more faith in Good Old American Stupidity, Bobert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Greg F. Date: 11 Jul 12 - 11:26 AM There's no reason why people shouldn't know, said Stephen Hess More to the point, there's no reason why they should. Or is this what the lunatic "Birthers" have moved on to? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 11 Jul 12 - 02:23 PM Has anyone released Obama's Occidental College transcripts? No, the transcripts haven't been released (federal privacy laws forbid it), nor has any court of law "ordered" them released. (Source: Occidental College) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Don Firth Date: 11 Jul 12 - 02:54 PM So once again, Sawzaw is making it up as he goes along. Or getting his information out of one of the Right Wing internet septic tanks. If they made Barack Obama editor of the Harvard Law Review, he couldn't have been doing too badly academically. Check the smorgasbörd again, Sawzaw. Maybe you can find a dish with a clue on it. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 11 Jul 12 - 05:03 PM Wow that really hurts. My lip is all poked out cause Don beat me up on the playground again. What did he do at the Harvard Law review? But what is Obama hiding? Is Romney hiding his? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Don Firth Date: 11 Jul 12 - 05:37 PM He was EDITOR of the Harvard Law Review. As I said. It is a very prestigious and highly respected law journal. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 11 Jul 12 - 05:46 PM "What did he do at the Harvard Law review?" I think that as the editor. It probably means he edited it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Don Firth Date: 11 Jul 12 - 05:51 PM You have heard of the Harvard Law Review haven't you, Sawzaw? Careful. Don't trip over your lower lip. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 11 Jul 12 - 07:01 PM Mighty tough not to trip with a swollen lip and foot in mouth... Yo, Greg F, I disagree with your premise that there won't be push back when a Romney/TeaPub administration goes after Social Security and Medicare... George Bush tried it and got bloodied... Paul Ryan tried it and got bloodied... AARP is already running ads with the subtle message of, "Don't mess with us" and is certainly aimed at the TeaPubs... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 11 Jul 12 - 07:43 PM SIGH Does he also believe in the tooth fairy? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 11 Jul 12 - 08:01 PM Well??? He does... All four of them... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 11 Jul 12 - 08:12 PM To vote, or not vote for a person, based on their skin color, is 'racism' and 'bigotry', wouldn't YOU, of all people, would say??..and listen to you now!! Closet hypocrites! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 11 Jul 12 - 08:17 PM This just in... Romney claims to have met with black leaders after his NAACP speech today but... ...NAACP leaders say it's not true... Seems Romney has some black folks on his paid staff and he met with his employees... Now you funny, too, Mitt... And a liar, but hey??? No one is perfect, Mitt... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 11 Jul 12 - 09:55 PM Here is an example of *real* bigoted racist: "First of all, I do find the term Negro offensive and patronizing. With that said, I too am concerned about the continued variance on educational and emplyment between blacks and whites. I believe a national discussion on race is long overdue and America very much needs to not dance around *slavery*. Slavery still haunts our society some 140 years after the Emancipation Procamation. We also need to refocus resources that will provide hope to the inner city population, black and white. We are not doing a very good job on the. I remember when the summer jobs program was funded somewhat adaqutely and it had a level of success. We also need to spend oney on a PR program that offers some alternatives to the "cool" to be either *less cool* or *more cool* depending of ones defination. I think that people who feel disenfranchised are not going to walk the extra mile for acceptance. I'm not say that some won't but the most won't. Unfortuately, we're not going to move on creating a more hopeful society under the current administration. Not that the last one was all that great, but it was way beyond the current administration. Bobert I don't consider Condi a token Negro but very much a house Negro. I consider Condi squarely in the house Negro category. No racism here Just fact. Condi Rice would be no safer in some of the nieghborhoods I know down in D.C. than Bush, Boss Hog or George Wallace, fir that matter... [does this mean the people in those areas are violent racists?] Bobert In a world dominiated by *white guys* it's highly unlikely that a person of color will ever rise to power. Whitey jus' has the deck stacked against that ever occuring. Oh sure, he'll promote lots of folks to the position of House Negro but you can be sure that these folks won't get any higher than that position, Condi being Exhibit A... Bobert First of all, Dougie, I know my way around a dojo, so neither House Negro Condi of House Negro Colin scare me in the slightest. If either or both of 'um make a move toward me you'll be helping them up off the floor. No brag. Just fact. Secondly, if they were standing right here, right now in front of me, yeah, I'd confront 'um. They are House Negros. Study a little "History of the South". I took it in college. And that was in Richmond, Va., the capitol of the Confederacy. C & C are very much House Negros in that they do the massa's bidding... They are not folks in power but probably less powerful than the average guy on the street since they have both sold out to whitey That's what House Negros do... Sell out... Problem I have with Clarence Thomas isn't that he's trying to get along but with whom... His decisions are not world view decisions... They are, excuse me, Uncle Tom decisons... He is, IMO, what was once know as a Porch (house) Negro Well danged, pdc, shes a lot easier on the eyes than the other porch negro, Colin Princeton wordnet: whitey, honky, honkey, honkie ((slang) offensive names for a White man) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 11 Jul 12 - 10:09 PM Sorry, Sawz, but as per usual, like 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the entire world I just scrolled right on by your shit... But have a nice night... B:~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 11 Jul 12 - 11:22 PM Bobert, the way you answer Sawzaw, is making it look like you have no answer...and he's kicking your butt, with facts, or allegations(whatever), and you just call him a bunch of names, like you're the 'ninny'. I'd suggest, if you have some decent facts, or info, to counter him, then lay it out. You say the Democrats are so 'right on', but your responses are 'right out of second grade'. That goes for Jack and Don, or any of you who support him, as well. THAT WAY, maybe we could all 'learn' (Read: be indoctrinated with the same talking points)..and a more intelligent dialogue can take place. Nobody is interested in your unsubstantiated opinions, but rather WHY you think the way you do, in regards to your beliefs! Who knows, you might convert someone....if your guys rap held water...but nobody knows what it is! We know what Sawzaw is pointing out, and like I said earlier, he's making you guys look completely immature....then again..maybe you are, but you are assuming that 'everybody' knows, down deep inside, why Obama is so great....but all we know, is that he is acting like a desperate, candidate, surrounded by frantic froth machines. OK??..Give it a whirl....you may or may not convince Sawzaw, but there are other readers..and quite a few 'undecideds'....and from what I've read, you guys are the BEST case for NOT voting for Obama, if his following, can't give a straight answer....God only knows, he doesn't!! Respectfully, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 12 Jul 12 - 07:17 AM Bobert really knows how to string two intelligent thoughts together. The shit I posted was his shit and it stinks so bad he can't even stand it himself. "In a world dominiated by *white guys* it's highly unlikely that a person of color will ever rise to power. Whitey jus' has the deck stacked against that ever occuring." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 12 Jul 12 - 07:52 AM At the speech, Romney told a predominantly Black audience that he was gonna do away with inessentials such as Obamacare. He was booed. Guess he forgot he was addressing people who don't have offshore accounts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 12 Jul 12 - 08:42 AM NAACP conference is not just any "predominantly Black" audience. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 12 Jul 12 - 09:09 AM I'm aware of that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 12 Jul 12 - 09:28 AM Yo, GfinS... I no longer read Sawz stuff but in scrolling by it can't help but notice "Bobert" so that can mean only one thing... OCD still not in check... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 12 Jul 12 - 09:31 AM Romney gets points for at least speaking before the NAACP... Loses points, however, for not doing his homework and tailoring the speech to his audience... At best??? A draw... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Allan C. Date: 12 Jul 12 - 07:13 PM I don't know why everyone is so intent upon badmouthing this guy. Romney simply can't help that he is so used to fondling big money, so used to having friends who OWN race cars, so steeped in the vapid waters of his party and its policies that he is entirely out of touch with the reality that real people who live more normal lives face on a daily basis. The scary part will come when he chooses a running mate. Just imagine what life would be like if Romney gained the presidency and then some sort of OTHER catastrophe occurred that would force his chosen VP into office. Frankly, as to this last, I find it hard enough to believe in most of the presidential candidates I've encountered in my voting life, much less finding any VP or would-be VP in whom I would trust the presidency. But this is just my own opinion and brief rant. That said, I bid you all good day! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 12 Jul 12 - 07:25 PM Well, well, well... Seems that Romney has now been "caught" in the BIG LIE of all BIG LIES... The Washington Post will be reporting tomorrow morning that Romney stayed on as CEO of Bane Capital 3 years longer than what he is saying publicly... He's in the deep shit now... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 12 Jul 12 - 07:53 PM Honest, officer, I have never seen that gun before and I have no idea how it got in my holster. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 12 Jul 12 - 08:14 PM The liar lied about being CEO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 12 Jul 12 - 08:38 PM Conway Twitty wrote a song entitled "This Time I've Hurt Her More Than She Loves Me".... One line in that song goes: "The last lie I told her was the one she didn't believe..." This one might be that last lie for Romney... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 12 Jul 12 - 11:18 PM Evidently Mr X is more racist than Romney. He believes "In a world dominiated by *white guys* it's highly unlikely that a person of color will ever rise to power." Did Romney ever say anything like that? I heard Condi was on his VP list. I betcha Romney know how many jobs need to be created to break even. But Jack? Blowhard #2? He is too busy with his anti Romney hate, hate, lie, lie campaign to deal with facts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 13 Jul 12 - 07:54 AM "Not to split hairs, LH, but I think that token is a tad threadbare. And it really doesn't covey how Condi and Colin have served the massa. They are house negroes, very much in the tradition of the Old South. They are like white people in that they are of privildge. During the days of slavery they were generally the cruelest people on the plantation. Token I'd take. House negroes is a differnt story becuase they themselves are dangerous people..." B****t |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 13 Jul 12 - 11:06 AM This type of thing detracts from the fact that Powell was a moderate voice until his resignation in 2004. He spent too much of his time arguing with Cheney and Rumsfeld. "House Negro" my ass. He was never any such thing. He is one of few people who actually stood up to the Bush administration. He was the one who wanted to enter into talks with nuclear powers and potentials like Iran. Say what y'all want about Powell, that won't change the facts. He was a good man for a Republican. I wish we had a few of him around today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 13 Jul 12 - 12:48 PM Is rigging the NAACP crowd lying? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: catspaw49 Date: 13 Jul 12 - 03:04 PM From Rachel's blog......"Mitt's Latest Mendacity".....I did the copy and paste in honor of Sawzshit.................... 1. In an interview with Fox Business Network's Neil Cavuto, Romney insisted, "Obamacare is killing jobs." There is literally no evidence to support this claim in any way. 2. In the same interview, Romney, asked about his tax returns, said, "We have of course released all of the financial statements that are required by law and then released two years of tax returns." Actually, he's only released his tax returns for one full year. Two years wouldn't be enough, but it'd be an improvement. 3. Romney also told Cavuto, of the existing disclosure, "So tax information is there and other financial disclosure is there." I wish that were true, but the whole point of the recent controversy is that "other financial disclosure" isn't there. We learned about his shell corporation in Bermuda based on one year's tax returns, but we don't know what other disclosures exist because Romney has kept previous returns hidden from the public. 4. Also on Fox Business, Romney said his tax disclosures include "the same information" John Kerry released during his 2004 campaign. That's plainly false. During his presidential run eight years ago, Kerry released five years of tax returns, and during his Senate campaigns, made a habit of releasing several years' worth of tax documents as part of a commitment to disclosure. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. Criticizing President Obama's tax-cut plan, Romney said the proposal constitutes "a massive tax increase." Well, that's obviously a subjective matter, but in reality, 98% of Americans would get a tax cut under the plan. 6. Attacking the same plan, Romney said the White House plan "is the sort of thing only an extreme liberal could come up with." "Extreme liberals" aren't the only people who can think of middle-class tax cut, and there's really nothing "extreme" at all about the president's proposal. 7. At a town-hall meeting in Grand Junction, Colorado, Romney claimed Obama is "putting money into energy companies, solar and wind energy companies that end up making their products outside the United States." Every aspect to this claim is patently untrue. 8. At the same event, Romney claimed, "This president has increased the rate of new major regulations by about threefold over his predecessor." That's false. Obama approved fewer regulations in his first three years in office than Bush did in his first three years. 9. Romney added, "I'm going to look at all the programs we have in government and ask this question: Is this program so critical to America that it's worth borrowing money from China to pay for it?" At a minimum, that's misleading. The implication here is that U.S. debt is financed by the Chinese, but this isn't true -- China only holds about 8% of the nation's debt. 10. Romney went on to say he's "going to get rid of ObamaCare" so the government won't have to borrow more money. According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the Affordable Care Act will save over $100 billion over the next decade, and over $1 trillion in the decade after that. Romney has it backwards -- we would need to borrow more money if he does "get rid of Obamacare." 11. He added that "dreams are being crushed when taxes go up and up and up on job creators." Taxes haven't gone up; they've gone down. In fact, Americans' federal tax burden has down and down and down, reaching a 30-year low after Obama cut taxes in 2009. 12. At the same event, Romney said the Affordable Care Act "cuts Medicare by $500 billion." Romney says this a lot. He's not telling the truth. 13. He also said "no, no, no" to the notion that he would "cut" Medicare. Romney endorsed Paul Ryan's House Republican Budget plan, which ends the Medicare program and replaces it with a private voucher scheme. 14. In response to a question about the tax code, Romney argued, "For me ... this campaign is about the middle class, and about the poor. It's not about the rich. The rich are going to do fine, whosever elected." First, Romney intends to give the wealthy a massive tax cut (while they keep their existing massive tax cut). Second, Romney said in February he's "not concerned about the very poor." 15. In his speech to the NAACP, Romney went off-script and said, "You know, there was a survey of the Chamber of Commerce. They carried out a survey of their members, about 1,500 surveyed. And they asked him what effect Obama care would have on their plans and three-quarters of them said it would make them less likely to hire people." That's not what happened. The Chamber, a pro-Republican lobbying institution heavily invested in helping Romney, put up an unscientific online survey. Treating this as a legitimate poll of businesses is fundamentally dishonest. 16. Responding to an interview the president did with CBS, Romney argued, "President Obama believes that millions of Americans have lost their homes, their jobs and their livelihood because he failed to tell a good story." Based on what Obama actually said, there is no universe in which that makes any sense at all. 17. Romney's campaign claimed that health care premiums "are $4,893 higher per family than President Obama promised" in 2008. The claim is both deeply foolish and completely untrue. 18. In a speech in New Hampshire, responding to the new jobs report, Romney complained, "The highest corporate tax rates in the world do not create jobs." American corporations do not pay the highest tax rates in the world. 19. Describing economic policies that would improve matters, Romney added, "Opening up new markets in Latin America. The president hasn't done that in three and a half years -- no new trade agreements." I don't know why Romney keeps telling this lie, but he does. 20. In the same speech, Romney added, "Failing to effectively crack down on China for cheating and stealing American jobs -- that has not helped." Obama has already cracked down on China in ways Romney doesn't seem to understand. 21. Romney went on to say, "The president's policies have not gotten America working again." Of course they have. 22. Asked about his lack of specific ideas on the economy, Romney argued, "I don't think I've seen any from the president that -- that show what he's planning on doing." Romney doesn't have to like the American Jobs Act, but he shouldn't get away with brazenly lying about its existence. 23. In response to a reporter's question about health care, Romney said, "You know, I've spoken about health care from the day we passed it in -- in Massachusetts and people said, is this something that you'd apply at the federal level? And I said no." He's clearly not telling the truth. 24. Commenting on his plans to eliminate the deficit, Romney argued, "What I describe in my plan is a series of changes to programs and elimination of programs which save more and more money over time, so we're able to get America to a balanced budget in eight to 10 years -- not in the first year, but eight to 10 years." There's overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Romney says his plan "can't be scored," but independent budget analysts have found his agenda would make the deficit bigger, not smaller, and add trillions to the national debt. 25. At a fundraiser in Montana, Romney told supporters, "The great majority of small business -- 54% of American workers work in businesses taxed as individuals. So when the president wants to raise taxes on individuals as he's proposed from 35% to 40%, he kills jobs. If your priority is crushing people, vote for him." Only about 3% of American small businesses would be affected by the higher rate, and there is literally no evidence to suggest Clinton-era top rates on the wealthy "kills jobs." In conclusion, Jay Rosen argued yesterday that Romney and his team appear to be running a "post-truth" campaign, working under the assumption that the media isn't equipped to report the lies. It's a story that's "too big to tell." It's a fair point, and with just 115 days until the election, it's a dynamic well worth watching Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Stringsinger Date: 13 Jul 12 - 03:18 PM Romney is almost the caricature of the mustachioed "big bucks" man in the Monopoly game. He looks and acts like a cynical elitist businessman who will buy and sell this country to the highest bidder and down the river. He will succeed unless people wake up to the real American values, not just runaway Capitalism but the kind under FDR that made this country great. What are the real American values? 1. Respect for workers as well as bosses. 2. Respect for honest unions. 3. The "Right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness" (not low-paid drudge jobs) 4. Genuine patriotism that respects all Americans. 5. Hard work that is rewarded by honest wages not the ill-gotten gains of the corporate crooked CEO's 6. Respect for the Constitution and it's amendments which are today being violated at every turn by cynical and shady politicians. 7. Reinforcing the voter rights and not allowing them to be co-opted by crooked politicians and think tanks. 8. Every civilized country in the world has a right to decent health care without lining the pockets of crooked insurance companies. (Single-payer!) 9. Government regulation of all the corporate and business wrong doers, that includes Libertarians who abnegate their responsibility to others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 13 Jul 12 - 03:48 PM Generally hate to bring up polls because most of them are rigged to achieve a expected outcome but Pew over the years has been fairly accurate and if today's report is accurate Romney is slipping and Obama moving up 50-43... That's two polls released in the last couple days that show Obama holding a 7 point lead... Guess a lot of folks are seeing that Romney is indeed less than honest... ____________________________________________________________________ As for Condi and Colin??? I'll stand on my earlier statement in the context that it was written... B~ ____________________________________________________________________ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 13 Jul 12 - 04:33 PM I saw a clip of Hanity asking Sarah Palin if those poll results was the "Liberal Media" deliberately skewing the results to make Obama look better. Then I asked myself who in their right mind would ask such a question of SARAH PALIN? Then I remembered Sean Hanity is not in anybody's right mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 13 Jul 12 - 07:01 PM nobody-takes-conservative-wingnuttery-face-value |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 13 Jul 12 - 08:08 PM Jack, that is one of the better articles (essays) I've read on the topic. Good find. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 13 Jul 12 - 08:10 PM I'd meant to add that I agree with you regarding Condi. She reminds me of sharks, blood and ambition, not necessarily in that order. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 13 Jul 12 - 08:20 PM I think the wing nut article explains why Obama is only 7 points ahead. No one in their right mind who is not in the top 10% of incomes wants the GOP agenda. Most of their base voters are on Social Security and Medicare. If they thought they were voting for vouchers, they would never vote GOP. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 13 Jul 12 - 08:27 PM What was the context Bobert? You cannot explain the context. I say it was in a bigoted, racist context. Time and time again you have displayed your bigotry for all to see here yet you deny it. And as usual you project your own actions on to others as if you are doing right and they are the ones doing wrong. At one point you claim negro is an offensive word and then you Use it to describe people you disagree with, Call them a house negro and claim they sell out. Even threaten them. How repugnant. How anti social. How low class can someone get? Whom do they sell out to? What are they selling out? Democrats still believe they own the black people. All of them like they have for 200 years. Now Democrats think the black people owe them something for finally loosing to the Republicans who were trying to free them and keep them free. Now Democrats believe they own the black people's loyalty. As LBJ said "We will have those ni***rs voting Democratic for 200 years." That statement says it all. Now you claim the Republican party who set the black people free are the racists. Bullshit. It is the racist Democrats who believe they own them. Democrats are the keepers of the flock. Watching over then caring for them when in fact they USE black people for their own political gain. Democrats have to keep this race war going so they can stay in power. Jim Crow laws were a Democrat gig. Bull Conner was a Democrat. Abe Lincoln was assassinated by a Democrat. The Dixiecrats you claim to know all about but will not explain is a myth cooked up by Democrats to try to wash the blood off of their hands and claim the loyalty of black people. You don't want to talk about it because you know it is a myth and you can't back it up with anything. So if you want to come back with some facts, it would be great but some how I anticipate more name calling, personal attacks and claims of mental illness will be your response just like all blowhards respond when someone holds them accountable. By now you should know I am immune to your browbeating and bullying tactics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 13 Jul 12 - 08:27 PM TeaPubs love vouchers... They go directly to private companies and are a great tool to fleece the middle class... Not to mention, re-segregate schools... Here in Charlotte the schools are de-facto segregated... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Sawzaw Date: 13 Jul 12 - 09:17 PM He received the Significant Research Award of the University of Arkansas College of Education and Health Professions in 2011 for leading the federal government impact evaluation of the DC Opportunity Scholarship Program. He received his B.A. in political science and philosophy at the University of St. Thomas (St. Paul, MN) summa cum laude and his A.M. and Ph.D. in government from Harvard University. Here's what Mr. Patrick J Wolf had to say about the program in Feb. 16 testimony to the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Operations. "In my opinion, by demonstrating statistically significant experimental impacts on boosting high school graduation rates and generating a wealth of evidence suggesting that students also benefited in reading achievement, the DC OSP has accomplished what few educational interventions can claim: It markedly improved important education outcomes for low-income inner-city students." There are, we believe, other benefits to a program that expands educational opportunities for disadvantaged children. The program, which provides vouchers of $7,500 to low-income, mainly minority students to attend private schools, is highly regarded by parents, who often feel it allows their children to attend safer schools or ones that strongly promote achievement. Our view has never been that this voucher program is a substitute for public school or public school reform. But while that reform proceeds, scholarships allow a few thousand poor children to escape failing schools and exercise a right that middle-class parents take for granted — the right, and dignity, of choice. We understand the argument against using public funds for private, and especially parochial, schools. But it is parents, not government, choosing where to spend the vouchers. Given that this program takes no money away from public or public charter schools; that the administration does not object to parents directing Pell grants to Notre Dame or Georgetown; and that members of the administration would never accept having to send their own children to failing schools, we don't think the argument is very persuasive. Maybe that's why an administration that promised never to let ideology trump evidence is making an exception in this case. More Here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 13 Jul 12 - 09:37 PM He's right. The problem is that public funding has and is under threat and a squeeze by school boards, also funded by the same money. The reality is not what Mr Cavalier says, it is what he wishes for. "Here's what Mr. Patrick J Wolf had to say about the program in Feb. 16 testimony to the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Operations." If I may be so bold, exactly WTF does Homeland Security have to do with education? Gonna say the Yanks posed for Iwo Jima? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 14 Jul 12 - 05:59 PM ""Jim Crow laws were a Democrat gig. Bull Conner was a Democrat. Abe Lincoln was assassinated by a Democrat."" As long as you can manage to delude yourself into ignoring the fact that the Republicans of Lincoln's day were almost identical to today's Democrats, and vice versa, then this would appear to make some sort of sense to you. Fortunately most people are aware that it is today's redneck NASCAR fan Repubs who are trying to bring back segregation. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: number 6 Date: 14 Jul 12 - 07:05 PM For those that are truly interested in this issue ...here's a good article from the National Post (a Canadian news organization for those that don't know) With nothing else to do, Obama calls Romney a criminal or a liar biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 14 Jul 12 - 08:03 PM Here in NC the Romney's Citizen Cowards United have been calling Obama a liar for the last 2 weeks... So Obama's people return fire and Romney wants a fucking apology??? Give me a break... Romney owes Obama a couple hundred apologies... The coward wouldn't even stand up to Donald "Birther" Trump's lies... Romney is a wussy rich kid... He had to have his high school wrestling buddy hold down a skinny kid so Romney could cut the kids hair... That ain't courage, folks... That's coward... And so now Obama fires back and Romney looking for the wrestling buddy to hold Obama down and make him apologize... What a delusion little rich wuss.. B~. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 14 Jul 12 - 08:12 PM "A good article" eh? I clicked you link and all I saw was an opinion piece by George W. Bush speech writer David Frum. He was the guy who gave us the phrase "axis of evil" and wrote most of President Bush's early lies that got us into the Iraq war. Not the first place I would go looking for unbiased analysis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 14 Jul 12 - 08:49 PM BTW Thanks for the link #6 I posted this. NC Newfoundlander Collapse Hi Mr. Frum, I am so pleased to take this opportunity to give you feedback after all those frustrating years listening to you on NPR. I do like your writing though I am not a fan of your political stances. I believe that any chance that a political campaign gets to catch their opponents in a bald faced lie should be taken. Do you not? Two contradictory things can't be true at once. Right? Mr. Romney said this "I had no role whatsoever in the management of Bain Capital after February of 1999,'' in 2002. Financial disclosure forms Romney filed in Massachusetts indicate he earned at least $100,000 as a Bain "executive" in 2001 and 2002, separate from investment earnings. Which is true? did he lie about having no role or did he lie about being paid for being an executive. You know this isn't the only evidence Mr. Frum. You know the case is made. You are implying that the Obama campaign is doing this because have "nothing else to do." Isn't it just good politics? e in the US know our politicians tell lies. But will we respect the ones who do it stupidly? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 14 Jul 12 - 09:17 PM So what is this??..a contest to see who the bigger liar is. Jeez..a lot of their lies are on YouTube....watch them all, and just count them..No cheating..just count them..and THEN maybe you'll flash that BOTH of them have too many to be trusted based on anything they say!.... and the problem only rests with the dupes who keep believing them, and making excuses! Shit, I'd rather let them know that they're both full of shit, and demand another candidate whose lyin' track record is so long..and hard to defend. Sorry, check the box that says 'None of the above'!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: number 6 Date: 14 Jul 12 - 11:43 PM the whole system of the government 'machine' is lubricated on lies. And guess what ... it isn't going to change. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Jul 12 - 12:22 AM Well, sorta....in America the people are the government, and being as it is the case, we don't need to lie to ourselves. In time, we will outlast the corruption. Bogus kingdoms come and go..but truth is always the same. Can anybody tell me, off the top of their heads, who was the king that 'Humpty Dumpty' written about??....but we all remember the 'nursery rhyme, don't we? We need the strength to carry on, and not only preserve the truth, but be personally accountable, to be worth surviving. We don't need to pay attention to those who would try to convince us that we are 'haters' of anyone, or that one liar is better than another liar. We need to seek the truth, get whatever truthful information that is out there, and let the chips fall where they may. It is THAT kind of lyric writing, that lasts the test of time. We don't need to 'wage a war' on anything...we need to hold fast to the truth, and stand your ground.....and from everything we ALL have seen in the last few years, the truth is NOT found in 'political' solutions...only leverage, for the few to rule over the people...but lies with NEVER outlast the truth! Regards, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Jul 12 - 12:48 AM Here, consider this....... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 15 Jul 12 - 02:01 AM Hmmmmmm. GfinS... Seems that the clip you just posted is your health care plan: freedom??? LOL... B~ (up late, had a gig) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 15 Jul 12 - 07:38 AM GfS: It's too bad that clip will not receive the play it deserves. It should be seen by everyone who lives in the USA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jeri Date: 15 Jul 12 - 11:37 AM It's too bad the show ("The Newsroom") isn't on some other channel than HBO. Another clip from the same writer: Aaron Sorkin on the Internet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST Date: 15 Jul 12 - 11:53 AM Bobert: "President Kennedy decided in late summer of 1963 that he would pull all Americans out of Vietnam after his re-election and only ***after*** his re-election... blah blah blah..." We had a treaty commitment to the French, that had us there even during the Eisenhower presidency....Kennedy did NOT want an escalation, and wanted to withdraw. It was under Johnson's administration that a LIE was sold to the American public, 'The Gulf of Ton-kin Incident' that got us totally involved with Vietnam and the war there!!! That war claimed 58,000 Americans lives, with over 60,000 deaths of American veterans who committed suicide upon or after their return....and tore the country apart, irreparably!! So don't tell me that the 'government' or a Democrat Party president doesn't lie to the American public, and Clinton and Obama are no exception!!!...That being said, the Bush and Nixon Administrations are a flaming example of the Republicans doing the same thing!!! It is people like you and others of your ilk, that promote this kind of behavior, from our 'leaders(?)', instead of DEMANDING the truth, and objecting to being LIED to REPEATEDLY!!!..by both of the corrupt, 'Special interests'..who just happen to be the same ones behind Kennedy/Dallas..so knock off all the pontificating about how 'swell' your boy Obama is....or Hillary, or Pelosi, or Reid, or 'Lincoln Savings and Trust' McCain, or Romney, or Bush...etc .etc. They are all completely corrupted front men, except for Bush-41, who was a direct player....and let go of the nonsensical 'debate' over which fucking liar, is the better man!!!! Play your music, and proclaim truth! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Jul 12 - 11:55 AM Sorry I hit 'enter' instead of 'shift'... I [posted this same message on another thread, but this one is also appropriate... Bobert: "President Kennedy decided in late summer of 1963 that he would pull all Americans out of Vietnam after his re-election and only ***after*** his re-election... blah blah blah..." We had a treaty commitment to the French, that had us there even during the Eisenhower presidency....Kennedy did NOT want an escalation, and wanted to withdraw. It was under Johnson's administration that a LIE was sold to the American public, 'The Gulf of Ton-kin Incident' that got us totally involved with Vietnam and the war there!!! That war claimed 58,000 Americans lives, with over 60,000 deaths of American veterans who committed suicide upon or after their return....and tore the country apart, irreparably!! So don't tell me that the 'government' or a Democrat Party president doesn't lie to the American public, and Clinton and Obama are no exception!!!...That being said, the Bush and Nixon Administrations are a flaming example of the Republicans doing the same thing!!! It is people like you and others of your ilk, that promote this kind of behavior, from our 'leaders(?)', instead of DEMANDING the truth, and objecting to being LIED to REPEATEDLY!!!..by both of the corrupt, 'Special interests'..who just happen to be the same ones behind Kennedy/Dallas..so knock off all the pontificating about how 'swell' your boy Obama is....or Hillary, or Pelosi, or Reid, or 'Lincoln Savings and Trust' McCain, or Romney, or Bush...etc .etc. They are all completely corrupted front men, except for Bush-41, who was a direct player....and let go of the nonsensical 'debate' over which fucking liar, is the better man!!!! Play your music, and proclaim truth! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Jul 12 - 11:58 AM Oh, and BTW, the 'Gulf of Ton-kin Incident' took place in August of 1964!!...quite a bit later than Kennedy's death. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 15 Jul 12 - 12:53 PM First of all, thanks for the clip, GfinS... I finally got around to seeing it in its entirety... Very, very good stuff... Is it from a movie, 'er what??? Second, the point about Vietnam is that politics, as the guy in the clip all but said, has eclipsed policy... Nothing new... That's why I used the Kennedy example... Kennedy had the same shit facing him as Obama is seeing... My point was not about Lyndon Johnson... That's another story and a red herring to the point that I made about Vietnam... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Jul 12 - 01:28 PM Let's not tailor the truth, to fit an agenda...let's seek and think, and speak the truth, and live in it...and by all means get comfortable with it.....and when you play music, your listeners will hear it, as well! I'm on your side...........................even more than you know!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 15 Jul 12 - 01:44 PM And of course, The Pueblo Incident. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: pdq Date: 15 Jul 12 - 01:59 PM You also might want to study the sad case of the USS Liberty, 1967... "NEW YORK – On the fourth day of the 1967 Arab Israeli War, the intelligence ship 'USS Liberty' was steaming slowly in international waters, 14 miles off the Sinai Peninsula. Israeli armored forces were racing deep into Sinai in hot pursuit of the retreating Egyptian army. 'Liberty,' a World War II freighter, had been converted into an intelligence vessel by the top-secret US National Security Agency, and packed with the latest signals and electronic interception equipment. The ship bristled with antennas and electronic 'ears' including TRSSCOMM, a system that delivered real-time intercepts to Washington by bouncing a stream of microwaves off the moon. 'Liberty' had been rushed to Sinai to monitor communications of the belligerents in the Third Arab Israeli War: Israel and her foes, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. At 0800 hrs, 8 June, 1967, eight Israeli recon flights flew over 'Liberty,' which was flying a large American flag. At 1400 hrs, waves of low-flying Israeli Mystere and Mirage-III fighter-bombers repeatedly attacked the American vessel with rockets, napalm, and cannon. The air attacks lasted 20 minutes, concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes. The 'Liberty' was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, a hundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander William McGonagle. At 1424 hrs, three Israeli torpedo boats attacked, raking the burning 'Liberty' with 20mm and 40mm shells. At 1431hrs an Israeli torpedo hit the 'Liberty' midship, precisely where the signals intelligence systems were located. Twenty-five more Americans died. Israeli gunboats circled the wounded 'Liberty,' firing at crewmen trying to fight the fires. At 1515, the crew were ordered to abandon ship. The Israeli warships closed and poured machine gun fire into the crowded life rafts, sinking two. As American sailors were being massacred in cold blood, a rescue mission by US Sixth Fleet carrier aircraft was mysteriously aborted on orders from the White House..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 15 Jul 12 - 02:04 PM Oughtta be an interesting book, brucie and brings up another beef I have with Romney and the TeaPubs... Its thei idea of American "exceptionalism"... This is a code word for Cold War, Hot War and every thing in between... We will hear Romney use this word over and over... It's Dick Cheney, Part 2... BTW, had Hillary Clinton not half-apologized to Pakistan for the killing of 26 Pakistanis then the US very well might not have had a land route out of Afghanistan... I don't blame Obama for having to do what he had to do... Pakistanis are extremely proud people and Obama did what he had to do... Romney would have played Cheney hard-ball and exacerbated an already lousy situation... But, hey, America would still be "exceptional", right??? Give me a break... We had enough saber-rattlers from January, 2001 to January, 2009 to last US a life time... No thanks... I'd rather not be "exceptional"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Jul 12 - 02:09 PM Spoken a little over TEN YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!! ..and probably won't run...NO wonder both sides demonize him!!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 15 Jul 12 - 02:31 PM I mean, Ralph Nader was saying the same thing 10 years ago... The fact that Paul could read the tea leaves when American foreign policy was shaping up around the Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz/Pearle/Rice War machine wasn't all that difficult to see as it had all been laid out 10 years earlier by the neo-cons... I agree 100% with Paul on the wars and disagree 100% on his love of an Ayn Rand America... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Jul 12 - 02:34 PM makes you wanna' say "hmmm"! Thank you, pdq!!! That was the Johnson/Humphrey regime....again!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Jul 12 - 02:38 PM He didn't speak on Ayn Rand, on the clip, did he??? ....and as far as the 'tea rap'....even a broken clock is right twice a day....as ALL parties! That is NO excuse to be voluntarily stupid and try to convince others to put their heads in the sand.....or their asses!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Jul 12 - 02:52 PM Bobert: "The fact that Paul could read the tea leaves when American foreign policy was shaping up around the Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz/Pearle/Rice War machine" Correction: "The fact that Paul could read the tea leaves when American foreign policy was shaping up around the Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz//Pearle/Rice/Obama War machine Call it like it is, Bob! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 15 Jul 12 - 05:44 PM I don't recall Obama starting any of those wars... Might of fact, Obama hasn't started any wars... The right wing predicted back in 2008 after the election that Obama would get US into another war... To date, he hasn't... One thing about being president is that you inherit the country as your predecessor left it... It's kinda like being a relief pitched... The score ain't 0-0... You get every single problem that the last guy left... George Bush's foreign policy was terrible... Obama's is one heck of a lot better... Look, we on the left would like to see him be more of a "liberal" but he ain't... He's just head and shoulders above Bush or Romney... He deserves credit where credit is due... Why can't you ever say one nice thing about him other than spinning everything, as in 100%, as wrong??? Never mind... I'll tell you... You hate Obama... Hey, just lay the cards on the table... If you wouldn't be so dogmatic in your hatred of the man and everything he does you might actually achieve some credibility... But you can't bring yorself to find anything that you think he doing right... Hmmmmmmm??? Sounds like TeaPuB to me... Doesn't much matter if you have joined the party or not you certainly serve up planty of tea... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 15 Jul 12 - 07:41 PM So, lemme see, there are two millionaires and I have to choose between them to decide which will understand my plight more than the other. OK, lemme think on this for a while and get back to you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Jul 12 - 08:03 PM Our participation in Libya or Egypt..or our involvement in Afghanistan ring a bell? I know Obama didn't put us there...but didn't change anything, either! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 15 Jul 12 - 08:25 PM Gfins, Obama didn't start any of them and not one American kid came home in the back of the cargo plane in a box from Libya... That was a NATO led deal... brucie, Love ya', man, but very disappointed with yer last post... It was out of character... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 15 Jul 12 - 08:56 PM Bobert, asking a man with seven million bucks to understand a person with nothing is like asking a cat to understand a mouse. The cat will understand his view of the mouse and the mouse will still end up in the gullet of a machine that grinds. I have said before: Obama has to win this election--but now y'all oughta be thinking of a third party, because the two you have are similar in too many ways. When half the governing body of any country is/are millionaires, and when the well-off have 1/20th of that, and the less well-off 1/40th of that at best, sooner or later people get antsy. Tell me why your congress has so many millionaires? Tell me what these millionaires worry about? PEOPLE? The system is just plain wrong. Miners are still dying from black lung and there ain't shit being done about it. Old people are treated like burdens on society. They built it for krissake. Kids are sent off to become fodder. For what? The American Dream? To benefit who? More millionaires? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 15 Jul 12 - 09:10 PM Fact is that Obama had to take out student loans to get thru college... That's one heck of a lot different from Romney who was born a millionaire... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Jul 12 - 09:40 PM Bobert: "...That was a NATO led deal..." We supported an aggressive 'pre-emptive' strike, without a declaration of war, in collusion with allies. THAT is a war powers issue..and as wrong as our involvement in Vietnam, because of the 'Gulf of Ton-kin Incident'....besides, Iraq didn't attack us..if anything, Saudi Arabia was home to most of the attackers...was it not? Bush didn't attack them, though he promised to 'go after any country giving them refuge'...and as I've been saying for quite some time, there really isn't much difference between the two(?) parties' policies...just that the banksters keep switching the parties like a shell game, while the 'electorate' is trying to keep track of where the 'pea' is!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 15 Jul 12 - 10:31 PM Geeze Loise, GfinS... More Obama hate and more Tea... You spin more than a a turbine engine... Spin, spin, spin... Get outtta TeaLand now and then and get some fresh air... Getting mighty stale... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,999 Date: 16 Jul 12 - 01:03 AM Yes, Obama took out loans to get through college. That doesn't speak to why half the congress is composed of millionaires. Not just the Republican half. The average, median or mode income of congress people is surely just a bit higher than the average, median or mode of the general population. I don't hear of too many congress people using food banks. I do hear lots of non-congress people are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 16 Jul 12 - 02:30 AM Bobert: "More Obama hate and more Tea... You spin more than a a turbine engine... Spin, spin, spin... Get outtta TeaLand now and then and get some fresh air... Getting mighty stale..." Well now, that's what I call a conclusive rebuttal based on, flim-flam! Don't you get tired of making stupid statements like that yet??? GfS P.S. Nothing 'Tea' about it, nor spin...but as dizzy as you are, EVERYTHING looks like its spinning!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 16 Jul 12 - 02:50 AM "I don't hear of too many congress people using food banks. I do hear lots of non-congress people are" Last time I checked they got 130 K a year and a living allowance. And subsidized dining at their own cafeteria. That doesn't mean they are millionaires but it means they are not hungry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 16 Jul 12 - 07:00 AM No argument there, brucie... That's why we need publicly financed elections... No private $$$... Put an end to that with the stroke of a pen... Also need to have a neutral party (Norway comes to mind) redistrict our districts so they are competitive... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 16 Jul 12 - 11:53 AM Bobert, No offense, but we don't need a third party. All we need is to set up a formula across the country and use it. Use geographic information systems to say minimize the circumference of district boundaries, then have a rule saying that the maximum circumference for all districts in the state, or for any one district, can't go over a certain percentage. That would make gerrymandering virtually impossible. But the constitution and the primacy of the states on these matters do not allow that. If even one state legislature objected (Texas) then it would be unconstitutional to implement. Try getting 2/3rds of the states and congress to ratify such a thing while Karl Rove is still working on his permanent Republican majority plan and has all of that Bush SCOTUS approved anonymous money GPS crossroads money to spend. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 16 Jul 12 - 03:57 PM Jack the Sailor: "Bobert,No offense, but we don't need a third party. All we need is to set up a formula across the country and use it..." Like having personal integrity, and demanding nothing less from those running for office, who say they represent us...but FIRST we must get straight with it! Jack the Sailor: "Try getting 2/3rds of the states and congress to ratify such a thing while Karl Rove is still working on his permanent Republican majority plan and has all of that Bush SCOTUS approved anonymous money GPS crossroads money to spend." Should read: "Try getting 2/3rds of the states and congress to ratify such a thing while Karl Rove is still working on his permanent Republican Romneycare plan and has all of that Bush SCOTUS approved anonymous money GPS crossroads money to spend." Get it, guys? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 16 Jul 12 - 04:02 PM GEEEEFS!! Rove doesn't care about healthcare. He is focusing on the big money coup. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 16 Jul 12 - 04:25 PM Rove doesn't do policy... Just politics... If eating babies would get his people elected he'd have 'um do it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Richard Bridge Date: 16 Jul 12 - 04:33 PM 200 - on my own thread too |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: saulgoldie Date: 16 Jul 12 - 04:41 PM Ooo, ooo...200! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: saulgoldie Date: 16 Jul 12 - 04:42 PM Awshit! G-ddam time warp! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 16 Jul 12 - 06:27 PM Jack the Sailor: "Rove doesn't care about healthcare. He is focusing on the big money coup." R-I-G-H-T!!!!!....and WHO pushed through that SAME 'healthcare' bill through the Massachusetts, legislature....and now it becomes Obama's model???? Come on....don't sprain your head thinking about it, or throw your jaw out of place, saying it....NOW, all of a sudden, "It's about healthcare!!!!" Make up your mind, you can't have it both ways......(well, you can, but the only person who would believe the spin, is you!.....oh, and maybe Bobert..BUT, I really don't think he is as dumb as he pretends!). So...Romney the 'systemic liar' presents a healthcare bill, that is the same one you all support, BUT when you are told it was Obama's, then Obama is telling the truth...and not about a 'money coup'..but Romney is still a liar...and Obama isn't??? The same bill gets rammed through..but when the name changes on it, it magically changes in motive and intent..and integrity??????? To quote you: "GEEEEEFS!!!" Don't get pissed at me just for pointing that out to you....it's your argument! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 16 Jul 12 - 08:24 PM The money coup I am talking about is the whole Crossroads, Art Pope, Koch sucking, id law, redistricting, permanent republican majority GPS debacle. If he wins that they can pass any law they want. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 16 Jul 12 - 08:25 PM Why the lies matter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 16 Jul 12 - 08:36 PM BTW, Jack... The Senate Repubs pulled out yet another filibuster today to turn back the majority who think that the cowards who are buying all these attack ads should have to put their names on them... The vote for disclosure 51, against 47... Majority loses for the 400th time in the last 3 1/2 years... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Stringsinger Date: 16 Jul 12 - 08:44 PM Paul Krugman has offered an excellent argument on the electorate's amnesia. Romney is a throwback to G.W.Bush and his policies which created the problems the country now faces. Obama didn't create these problems as the Repubs would have you believe. Romney operates in logic tight compartments. He believes in his mantra of business first, the savior of society. He is enamored of highly structured institutions that don't deviate from their designs even when the country is in peril. This is why he is a Mormon. This is how he would run the presidency. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 16 Jul 12 - 08:51 PM Yup, Strings... Both Romney and Bush are "true believers", dogmatic and don't understand that the world in which we live can't be neatly cubby-holed... It is a sign of lack of intelligence... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 16 Jul 12 - 11:52 PM Bobert: "Majority loses for the 400th time in the last 3 1/2 years..." That does include the repeal of Obamacare, doesn't it?...Oh, I'm sorry, that one doesn't count. Jack the Sailorman: "The money coup I am talking about is the whole Crossroads, Art Pope, Koch sucking, id law, redistricting, permanent republican majority GPS debacle. If he wins that they can pass any law they want." I.D. Law??..wait till you see what Obamacare's ID law is...and what they scaled it back from, before it was sent back for reconciliation!! AND.... "If he wins that they can pass any law they want." You mean like Obama in '08?....and all they did was pass money wasting, tax building, freedom losing bills...Republicans turn...more of the same..BUT..they might even throw in a couple of extra wars! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 17 Jul 12 - 09:21 AM There's the "freedom" word again... GfinS's Health Plan: freedom... GfinS's Energy Plan: freedom... GfinS's Education Plan: freedom... GfinS's Transportation Plan: freedom... GfinS's Banking Plan: freedom... And the beat goes on... And on... And on... BTW, all this freedom is pushing the bottom half of our population more and more into a Somalia model... But gotta have that freedom, right??? BTW, what the hell is "freedom"... Is it banks stealing from US??? Hey, to them it is... Is it busting unions with the support of the Republican Party??? Yeah, to the union busters it is... Is it a guy sticking a gun to your head and robbing you??? Well, to the guy with the gun it is... Me??? I'm getting weary watching all the bad shit that is occurring in this nation in decline in the name of freedom... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 17 Jul 12 - 10:36 AM BTW, what is the difference between a "systemic liar" and a "pathological liar"??? I'm not even sure what a systemic liar is... Pathological liars I understand to be folks who lie so well that they actually believe their own lies... I think Romney falls into that category... No matter what he says he seems to look and sound as if he believes it even if it contradicts something he said the day, or hours, before... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Stringsinger Date: 17 Jul 12 - 10:41 AM What must be remembered is that a corrupt system will create systemic liars. We are faced with this problem now. The self-serving ideological Congress (by in large) is responsible for corrupting government and the contemporary system of governance which has to change and will when the public gets fed up enough. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 17 Jul 12 - 01:06 PM Well Bobert, I think you said your position quite well....'Freedom' is a bummer to the totalitarian and tyrannical form of government, that you support...and who have control of both our main political parties...and if you don't think so, try getting FREE of your brain-lock...if you can! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 17 Jul 12 - 02:51 PM Check this out...no wonder some of you get bamboozled! You people don't understand. The President is a deity, he changes the nature of things and meaning of words. When he says "what we can do right now" is different to "politics of the moment", it IMMEDIATELY BECOMES SO. Other metaphysical changes by the President: When he increases deficit spending, he reduces deficit spending. When labor participation rate is at a 30-yr low, we added millions of jobs. If you fail you see it that's because you're racist and ignorant and stuff. Ridiculous. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 17 Jul 12 - 05:25 PM So, GfinS, if the bankers decide to destroy our economy then they are free to do so??? Guess better next time... The Tea you serve is all about authoritarianism... The entire Tea Party wants to ram their Talibanish ideas down America's throat, no matter how many old ladies they have to intimidate from being involved in the democratic process... You still don't get it... The stuff you throw out here has Tea dripping off it... The Tea Party is owned by the corporate thugs who want to pollute our air, poison our water and steal our labor... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 17 Jul 12 - 06:35 PM Bobert: "The stuff you throw out here has Tea dripping off it." Interesting...I didn't think George Carlin was a Tea Party supporter, and some of the routines I posted of his, were even before Obama!..which the Tea party was a backlash to. How come every time I post a pretty 'dead on' post, or link, you say it's Tea party???...even when I posted one of my posts BEFORE Obama was elected, too....and Little Hawk's in 2000??? I wonder if its roots are in the same thinking of your bit on the CD about just using that one chord? BTW, I listened to it, and gave the programming director a buzz...but she wasn't there, for now..but I got the message in..OK? It's in her court, but if I don't hear back from her, I'll give her a jingle. I sent an e-mail, as well. Regards and best wishes! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Elmore Date: 17 Jul 12 - 08:04 PM Breaking News. President will still be black in his second term. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 17 Jul 12 - 08:06 PM And white, and Irish...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 17 Jul 12 - 08:15 PM Danged, Elmore... I failed to notice that Obama was black... Had to Google it up and, geeze, he sho nuff is... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Elmore Date: 17 Jul 12 - 08:35 PM O'Leary, O'Reilly, O'Hare, and O'Hara, There's no one as Irish as Barack O'Bama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 18 Jul 12 - 12:15 AM ..and lying his polka-dotted ass off!! If one of these two get elected, it will be the one who lies the best...and the dumb-fucks who voted for him! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Ebbie Date: 18 Jul 12 - 03:23 AM You are such a gracious person. Or something. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Bobert Date: 18 Jul 12 - 09:00 AM "Or something"... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Jack the Sailor Date: 18 Jul 12 - 11:20 AM Be my friends you dumb-fucks who voted for him! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 18 Jul 12 - 03:54 PM Something.... ....it beats beats the substance of a lie...nothing! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Romney - systemic liar From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 19 Jul 12 - 09:22 AM Gone from Sanity has one thing right. We aall must be fools to keep wading through its knee deep bullshit, and treating it as a sentient being. Don T. |
