BS: I am not perfect after all

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Ian Mather and a serious point
Date: 15 Jul 13 - 11:02 AM

10%?

If it were two people out of a population of 70,000,000 the case would be the same.

Government entertainment media as you call it is giving Scotland the independence vote too. Is that a sideshow distraction?

The benefits of a gay marriage are fuck all to do with you or I for that matter. Except of course the NHS cost benefits of less promiscuous lifestyle through the monogamy promoting aspects of marriage.

Nobody wanted to prevent you from getting married. Nobody asked if society would benefit from your marriage.

If equality is a dirty word, I happily roll with the pigs.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket having nicked iPad from Ian
Date: 15 Jul 13 - 11:08 AM

Ok Jerk!

If you want to write comedy, get a script writer. Best get a British one for that matter, one who understands irony.

THWWWWWTTTHHHHWWWWWRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know how to do lol now, though I doubt I shall in future, but I appear to be having problems expressing the throwing of a raspberry in his general direction. If anyone would show me, I'd be obliged as ever.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jul 13 - 12:21 PM

"Nobody wanted to prevent you from getting married"

Oh YES they did!.....You know fuck all about me, do you?

You assume too much....I would never presume to pry or guess about your private life.....go roll with the pigs.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jul 13 - 12:41 PM

The Scottish Independence referendum was not "given", it was demanded and enabled by the Scottish electorate voting overwhelmingly for the Scottish National Party.

The 10% you quote is a deliberate lie, the official rate of homosexuals in the population is just over 2%. If the rates dont matter, why lie about them?
Equality is not a dirty word, especially in law....but conventional marriage and homosexual "marriage" are not and will never be equal.
Homosexuals couples are of the same sex, so, incapable of conceiving or bearing their natural children, thus they are also prevented from building an extended natural family structure....both cornerstones of traditional marriage.
The only way is to attempt to re-define the word "marriage" to accomodate a tiny fraction of the 2% of the population who actually wish to use it, to the detriment and concern of hundreds of thousands who are already married or who wish to be conventionally married in the future.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jul 13 - 12:50 PM

Final word....Male homosexuals appear to have become more, not less promiscuous since "civil union" was brought forward....why should it be different in the case of "gay marriage"

It is quite clear that practicing homosexuals are not intersted in monogamy, promiscuity seems to be an integral part of male same sex behaviour.
Gay Marriage is a cause celebre of the "liberal left", linked wrongly to equality and human rights.....it is an activist issue.....fin

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Ian Mather
Date: 15 Jul 13 - 04:04 PM

I couldn't have put it better myself.

I hope fin means what it should mean. Difficult to have fun in threads till you slink off.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 15 Jul 13 - 04:21 PM

I'm married. Whilst my previous marriage bore two fine lads, we didn't marry the other year to have children. All the negative points regarding gay marriage that the disgusting worm speaks of would apply to me and would apply to hundreds of thousands of married couples in The UK.

As I said, nobody stopped you getting married. No law prevented it. If individuals didn't want you to get married, that's nothing to do with this debate. I don't understand why you said it.

I don't understand how people can have such odious views and not keep them in their head where people won't be so embarrassed being around them.

Is UK education so bad that we can still hear such things? Or is it a reflection on our health care. ..

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jul 13 - 04:29 PM

If disagreeing over the facts of an argument means that one is bigoted than I** M***** is easily the most bigoted entity on this forum. I think that Akenaton is on the wrong side of the gay marriage debate. But that does not mean he is bigoted. As he correctly points out I**, tends to grossly exaggerate. But not just stats in an argument. He also puffs up his opponents positions, his own credentials and that delusion of discernment he think of as his sense of humour.

Compared to that twisting turning overcrowded boulder strewn hairpin turn infested goat path that is Musket's mind. Akenaton's logic is a straight and level 85 mph Texas toll road.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jul 13 - 04:54 PM

:0)
"Compared to that twisting turning overcrowded boulder strewn hairpin turn infested goat path that is Musket's mind. Akenaton's logic is a straight and level 85 mph Texas toll road."

What a great line Jack, wish I had wrote-it.
I'm printing it out and framing it!!    :0)

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jul 13 - 05:19 PM

Perhaps I should have explained Ian.
When we decided to get married, my fiance wanted a church wedding, although my fiance was a church member, I being an Atheist was not.
The minister told us that as I was not a member of the Church of Scotland he would refuse to marry us in church.
I was a little pissed off, but we were married in an hotel by a minister friend of my wife's.
On reflexion I now feel that he was correct, if folks want to use the church for "hatches, matches and despatches" they should respect the traditions of the institution.

Perhaps if unbelievers had the media power of homosexuals we could have been married in church...:0)

Tres fin.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Jul 13 - 05:49 PM

I think that if a gay couple commits to one another they out to have the same rights and responsibilities as any other.


I got married for the first time at 44, my wife was 47 and with no prospect of kids our marriage it was not a license to go forth and multiply. I have no problem with gays having the privileges of marriage, if they are willing to live by the oath. People in this country talk about "defense of marriage" their efforts would be much better spent fighting unplanned single motherhood and the 50% divorce rate. That is where marriage needs defending.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:24 AM

Must be hard for you siding with Akenaton on such matters. Reading the pure unadulterated hate he expresses, do you keep a straight face when saying he is being objective and I'm not?

Now we all have our personal marriage situations and history laid bare, the situation hasn't altered one jot. Akenaton would prevent people getting married on the basis theyccan't procreate. If they are heterosexual he doesn't mind but if they are gay, the marriage possibly won't run the course so why bother permitting it?

Perhaps someone other than I should quote the definition of bigot? I don't seem to be getting through.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 03:29 AM

All this friggin' BLA-BLA and not one...not ONE person!...has stepped forward to speak in favor of primate-human marriage rights! Not ONE!!! And this while Chimps, Gorillas, Baboons, Orangutans, Bonobos, Monkeys of all types, and their beloved human partners are bein' denied full and equal marriage rights in every single country in the WORLD by prejudiced HUMANS!

Yer nothin' but a bunch of hate-filled specist dupes. No free banana for any of YOU when I get elected!

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket being patriotic
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 05:36 AM

Oh yeah? What about Wayne Rooney's missus? She managed it.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 06:25 AM

Why on earth would any self respecting chimp want to marry a human?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 07:33 AM

Oy Jerk. The worm said that practicing homosexuals aren't interested in monogamy. You said he isn't bigoted.

Is this based on your ignorance or your interpretation of your delusion?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 09:56 AM

Well, I think if you were to actually READ the definition of bigot you might stop using that label as a cudgel and discuss the topic.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 10:16 AM

Excellent point, Jack. I've long been advising anyone here who is willing to listen that calling someone a "bigot", a "racist", a "sexist", a "Nazi", a "nigger", a "homophobe" or some other common contemporary Anti-Christ label like that serves no useful purpose in a discussion, it only makes the other person angry and retaliatory, and it leads to further abusive postings on both sides...as the label itself IS a hate/fear/shock & awe/intimidation tactic and has brought any chance of having a productive conversation to a crashing END.

I've advised Chongo of that also...but he doesn't listen. ;-D Chimps, like some people, are very hard to reach when they've got their minds absolutely set on having a fight about something.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket shaking his head
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 12:41 PM

You see, that is where you trip up.

Bigotry is a classic case of it takes one to know one. Of course I am full square 100% intolerant of his homophobic stance. I refuse to give it credence as a viewpoint and I will not rest where it is promoted. By definition, that does make me a bigot too...

Perhaps there should be other words, but I have a saying I used to use in quality control and these days use it where healthcare professionals turn a blind eye to bad practice.

To permit is to promote.

I am reminded of it when I read posts saying the worm has a legitimate viewpoint. Oh yeah? Have you thought that there are gay people on Mudcat? You think I insult you Jerk? Compared to reading his diatribe, you have never yet been insulted on this or any other thread by anyone.

The late Jake Thackray, as well as a fine songwriter, made my ears prick up with his simple phrase, "I don't, shan't and refuse to tolerate intolerance."

Floats my boat anyway. But then, I don't have the benefit of faith to help me choose who to look upon as second class citizens.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 12:58 PM

You just dont have an argument Ian.

You have a faith, but reasonable people who have a faith(like Jack), do not go around calling all who do not share that faith bigots.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:15 PM

Hmmm. Interesting response there, Musket. I'm going to have to think about that some.

There have been quite a few jokes made along that general line, such as...

"The intolerant must NOT be tolerated!" (to paraphrase what you said)

"Kill the murderers!"

"Invade the aggressors!"

I remember seeing on a wall one time, someone had written:

"CASTRATE RAPISTS!!!"

And someone else had written below that:

"RAPE CASTRATORS!!!"

When angry mobs gathered in Rome to drive out (and often kill) the early Christians, they would scream, "Out with the atheists!" (they saw Christians as godless atheists, because the Christians didn't honor the various Roman gods and goddesses, as was normal practice for Romans at that time.)

I find that deliciously ironical. It says a lot about people's hysterical tendency to pronounce summary (and not very well-informed) judgement on others.

****

And then there's the old proverb, "fools seldom differ", but it couldn't BE more wrong! ;-D Fools constantly differ. A trip to any seedy bar will prove this in no uncertain terms before the night is over.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans Clapton
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:27 PM

Yes but littlehawk. When we have finished with clever word play, we are still left with someone professing a view that there should be second class citizens.

To compound it, there is no shame or doubt in his mind. He feels that supporting the concept of equality is a faith.

So... I appear to have a faith and I appear to be a bigot. Might just buy a dog collar and a copy of the Bible at this rate. Complete the illusion.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 01:59 PM

Dont buy anything...I will provide you with a sandwich board!

You live in and support a system in which "equality" is a complete myth, in fact inequality in everything of importance is encouraged, they call it "competition"

I am against "second class citizenship", but there a several valid aguments against legislation to promote homosexual "marriage", just as there would be against legislation to promote group "marriage", the "marriage of close relatives, or any other minority sexual behaviour that you can think of.
Opposition to such legislation cannot be caled "bigotry" as long as there is a valid and resonable argument behind the opposition.

Simply having faith is not enough where legislation is concerned.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Ian Mather
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:04 PM

If you ever think of such a valid reason, don't forget to share it.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 02:14 PM

BTW.....The country you live in is chock full of second class citizens. I suppose you dont know much about the underclass...how about some concern about the debris of this system...do you know where they live? have you been in their houses? do you understand anything about the real suffering going on right under your nose.

Or are you too concerned about the marriage rights of a miniscule proportion of homosexuals ....who are a miniscule proportion of the population,.....who want it re-defined in their image.
As you know these legal rights are already available under Civil Union

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket getting bored now
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 03:59 PM

You know fuck all.

If it were one person, their rights and dignity are to be respected.

Civil unions were a way to show that they were different. A way to allow differentiation. Marriage has passed through parliament and will be enacted. In all the UK.

Not often I praise tory politicians but Cameron and Osborne are for once on the side of the angels.

With Clegg

With Miliband

With Salmond

With dignity.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 04:45 PM

This is nothing but another righteousness contest...someone trying to prove he is far more righteous than the other person is...when the real truth of the matter is that everyone here is quite concerned about justice, fairness, equality, and other such basic issues upon which righteousness hangs. We all want justice to be done. That's a fact. We just don't necessarily agree on how to go about it when it comes to certain situations.

No one here is going to convince the other guy that he is less righteous than they are. It reminds me of the Big Bad Wolf trying to huff and puff and blow down the Practical Pig's brick walls....a vain endeavour if ever there was one.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 04:46 PM

Akenaton: ""..hatches, matches and despatches.."

What a great line!!...haven't heard it before in that context!!!!

Grinning,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 04:56 PM

If Akenaton were calling gay people derogatory names, you could justify calling him a bigot. As it is he is just someone with a different take on an issue than you. But this type of stereotyping and slurring is more the norm than the exception for you. You and Steve shaw have at one time or another held me responsible for every major crime ever committed by religion that I can think of.

The definition of "bigot" I read involves hatred. It is apparent to all who between you and Akenaton spills more bile on these pages.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Jul 13 - 10:07 PM

Good for you, Jack!! At least YOU can tell the difference!!
Another point of view, which is more accurate, is NOT hatred or bigotry!!
See if you can teach that to some 'so-called liberals' on here!!!
They could move from 'stupid dumbfucks' to 'tolerable'!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:25 AM

Hawk, Jack, Sanity....I'm humbled by your words.

I know we disagree over several issues, but at least we share understanding. I wish there were more like you, folks who understand that our little group here is not meant as a battleground, but a place for debate, to examine other ideas and opinions.
You are very GOOD people and should be an inspiration to us all.


As Hawk has said the Gay marriage issue is of no real importance, all social issues move back and forth over the years depending on fashion or politics, but I have tried to illustrate that the methods employed by some to railroad through the legislation, are a real danger to freedom, and in the end real justice.

I have tried to point out not that homosexuals are bad people, but that there is a case for progressing with caution regarding sex between males and the fact that many people still see marriage as between man and woman with a view to the construction of a family structure and so strengthening society as a whole.

It has been suggested that I think that a man and woman who do not wish to have children either through choice or for reasons of age or infirmity, are not really married....what bunkum!....al that matters to keep the template of marriage, is that both partners be of different sexes.
So it has been for centuries, and if we are not to see society slide into further decay, so it should stay.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket between courses
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:49 AM

No real importance.   So shut up.
No real importance.   Unless you are gay.
No real importance.   See above.

Gay families may have a different view to you. Lots around with adopted or first marriage children. Lesbian couples with AI children. Family units.

On this, littlehawk and I differ on opinion. A view that restricts the rights of others for no reason other than their colour, race, sexual preference or disability is quite rightly frowned upon in modern society. The last UK government drafted an equality bill that the present government enacted which clarified this and led the way to ironing out irregularities such as gay marriage. They made a pigs ear of it, allowing Church of England to not respect equality, but that's okay as it strengthens the case for disestablishment.

You can talk about freedom of opinion all you like but as Jack the Sailor and Akenaton have been finding out, insults aren't nice. Just in case you wonder why I do it..

Just do me a favour and re read his views, plainly stated above. Then see why he is fawning you both. He craves respect. He certainly doesn't earn it. I am deeply suspect of laws against inciting hatred as we have over here, but reading the views of Akenaton, I begin to see the need.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans earwax
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 11:59 AM

Remember what this thread was about till it was hijacked?

Well... A date for diaries. I am having my ears vacuumed on Friday morning at 11.20 BST.

In the meantime, I am going to give my local folk club a miss tonight. My throat is still recovering from the bug that is doing the rounds hereabouts. Hurts to drink, hurts to sing and my ears can't hear sod all. I'd be as much use as a one legged bloke at an arse kicking contest.

As usual.

Never mind. Mustn't grumble.

No bloody kitchen either till the builders finish. Nowt on t'box either. Dog! You're gooing round 'turbary again, like it or lump it. Once it's cooled down a bit anyroad.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 12:42 PM

Sounds like you're having a rough day, Musket. My condolences.

I don't know that we disagree on gay marriage...I have no problem with it in a legal sense. My only problem with the present political climate is that the media and politicians and various commentators are giving the gay rights issue a disproportionate amount of attention, because they know it pushes various people's buttons...and because they are afraid not to.

It has reached the point where if a civic official does not bother to participate in a city's Gay Pride Day celebrations...as in the City of Toronto, for example...he or she is hounded by various advocates and people in the media and accused of being "homophobic".

That creates a climate of fear. That climate of fear results in a lot of false posturing....various politicians and media and other people faithfully attending a Gay Pride parade even though they have no real desire to be there and no actual interest in the subject at all...but just because they're deathly afraid not to be seen there.

And that, frankly, is pathetic. It is that climate of fear that I object to. It's gone way out of proportion, just as the climate of fear that gays themselves were oppressed by in previous social eras was way out of proportion. I don't agree with people being intimidated into pretending they are something they are not...whether they're gay or straight or whatever else they are.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 02:30 PM

Yes, there has been a movement internationally to promote LGTB issues. Positive discrimination had always been an issue for any attempt at mere equality of opportunity. That said, if we have reached that stage, gay marriage should go through without debate as it reflects other rights.

But it doesn't. Not just because of old people who were taught it was wrong, not just because of rent a mob, not just because of desperate newspaper editors wanting to please shareholders by inventing scandal.   No. Because of mainstream politicians seeing the homophobic vote as being bigger than the pink vote. Because of religions refusing to see 21st century society mirrored in the medieval superstition that informs their words.

So perhaps in a way, the gay agenda isn't quite ready to back down just yet. ... As much as I find assertive agendas objectionable, I don't think they have equality just yet. We all fawn middle eastern states for business, Russia, etc etc.   Yet we are fairly slow at leading by example.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:23 PM

I note that wannabee pharoah cannot be bothered to tell the truth about the incidence of homosexuality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 03:35 PM

History has shown that business trumps everything else, Musket. If there's a lot of money to be made, inconvenient things like dictators, death-squads, and environmental destruction can always be disregarded...or perhaps tut-tutted over a bit while nothing is really done about it.

If, on the other hand, a dictator stands in the way of Big corporate business interests!!!....well, then, he's a threat to our very way of life and MUST be brought down for (cough! cough!) "humanitarian" reasons...

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans philosophy
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 05:39 PM

Yeah but this isn't about creating a utopian nirvana or any other idealism, its about treating people equally under law.

It ain't a big ask.

And if it is, the question is better aimed at those preventing it.

And ask why?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jul 13 - 05:52 PM

I've got no problem with equality.

I've always hoped for a Utopian Nirvana, but I don't expect to find it here in mortal life. The best places I've ever been, though, were one or two spiritual communities...while I've also visited a couple that didn't appeal to me much at all...and a couple that were nice enough in a general sort of way. Meditation retreat centres are usually pretty neat places with some very high caliber people to talk to (when not meditating).

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket being patriotic
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 03:09 AM

The side line to this this thread can now be put to an end.

The Queen signed the gay marriage bill yesterday giving it Royal ascent, signing it into law.

Discussion of the merits or otherwise of gay marriage now have the legal as well as moral status of debating the pros and cons of mixed race or disabled marriage.

Not being gay myself, I can't begin to comprehend the joy and relief but empathy is a nice tool to have in the old armoury.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 05:41 AM

There was never any doubt that the legislation would be passed due in large part to political expediency.
As I have said many times we are now ruled by an unthinking raucus media and as Hawk has said, simple bullying by egomaniacs with a taste for mob power.

However, the facts remain, the legislation is bad, like many other pieces of legislation brough forward over the last decade and a large number of people in the UK are of this opinion.


We shall see if the UK legislation can influence male homosexuals to be behave more responsibly and bring down the infection rates for sexually transmitted disease, which are at epidemic proportions, but Ah hae ma doots!

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket happy as Larry
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 05:52 AM

Aye, bad legislation. Just to keep egomaniacs like Peter Tatchell happy eh?

Same as those other egomaniacs who fought for equality. The suffragettes, William Wilberforce, Lloyd George.....

It's up to women, blacks and pensioners to behave more responsibly now they have rights.... You tell 'em!












Crawl away and lick your wounds, there's a good chap. I notice Alex Salmond won't visit the open, despite liking golf. He may be a fool but he accepts we are all equal fools, even women who play golf.....

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 11:11 AM

The thought of a woman being foolish enough to play golf gives me the shivers... ;-) I think most women are above that sort of thing. When I think of golf, I think of Elmer Fudd...wearing a silly hat and ridiculous looking pantaloons and golf shoes. Or else, I think of rich young lawyers and business types who go there to show off their snazzy sports cars in the parking lot, hang out at the bar, and pick up rich young women for tawdry and meaningless affaires.

The Scots have inflicted several shocking things on the world...

Haggis!

The highland kilt!

The sporan!

The bagpipes!!!

But worst of all...............GOLF!!!! (shudder)

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:29 PM

I could add a character I suppose. Snag is, plenty more where he came from. And not many of them in Och Aye The'Noo land either. We have far too many of the buggers here in civilisation too. ..

Scotland gave us The Malt Shovel pub in Edinburgh and The Winking Owl in Aviemore. It gave us Adam Smith and it gave us Kitchin restaurant in Leith. Let's not forget Scotch pies and deep fried Mars bars, , not to mention cirrhosis of the liver and associated public health uber statistics.

Oh, and my responsible adult is a product of the medical school in Edinburgh. I enjoy going up for Royal College dinners if nothing else. In fact, keep it to yourself but I used to run the Scotland office for a company back in the late'80s, in Airdrie. Also, we love to holiday there most years. (Not &/$!! Airdrie but the fluffy Scotland. )

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 12:31 PM

I would think it's really quite nice there in the summer.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket being patriotic
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 02:35 PM

Yeah. Both days. ..

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jul 13 - 02:53 PM

Ah! Well, that may explain why my ancestors migrated west across the great waters to Canada...where we also have a long winter, but probably not nearly as wet a winter.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 11:19 AM

As a final word here, the Lancet has just delivered a report which concludes that Hiv infection among male homosexuals in London, has risen by 21% between 2011 and 2012.

Time is running out. Compulsory testing and contact tracing is becoming a matter of urgency.
Male/male sexual intercourse is now very obviously a dangerous and unhealthy practice and legislation to normaliseit is clearly wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Musket
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 11:40 AM

Good job we have Gay marriage then to help promote monogamy.

You aren't going to stop people fucking each other, you aren't going to stop people making love. Legislation doesn't work any more than legislation over hate crime stopping you in your tracks.

HIV infection in London has increased, and the trend, whilst less stark is bad for HIV in male / male and female / male in some other urban areas. Other STDs are a heterosexual issue too.

However, declaring that people cannot have sex any more isn't the answer. Driving sex underground isn't the answer. Promoting stable relationships is the tool put forward in the British Medical Journal article over the same report raised in The Lancet. Promoting safe sex is the other tool.

Driving lifestyle underground is the worst thing you can do. Some police forces have, since having political commissioners ruling policy, decided not to work with substance misuse clinics and services, saying drug misuse is a crime and any information will lead to prosecutions. HIV has risen over the first quarter in such areas. (Source - Health Service Journal.)

I know you want all gay people to be HIV positive so you can hate them more, but when irresponsible toads such as you have finished targeting sections of the community, things need to be done. Safe sex and promoting monogamy are the tools. Criminalising or stigmatising people will make your dreams come true.

Please just fuck off.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Jul 13 - 03:50 PM

"Please just fuck off. "   - Musket


I thought you and I had a deal to behave politely.

Are you calling it off? You made your point before the verbal abuse.