BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 12:37 PM

"Why should British firms have free passage over foreign countries - it has just removed itself from the only reason it has been able to.
"during which time things will be put in place to the mutual satisfaction of all parties."
Who says and why should countries assist a competitor?"

BECAUSE THEY SELL MORE TO US THAN WE SELL TO THEM.

If they do as you suggest they primarily harm themselves and I do not know if you have checked up lately but the Eurozone is not in all that great a shape. Put up trade tariffs and they cut both ways. How does the bulk of Irish exports get to Europe? What percentage of Irish EU trade is with the UK?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: EBarnacle
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 12:34 PM

NBC got up a playliat for the Brexit:

The party's over

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 12:30 PM

A UK exit from NATO? Don't think so.

Hopefully the EU Army is a dead duck as far as the British are concerned, so far less chance for it to be used to undermine NATO which has to-date been one of the most effective military alliances the world has ever seen.

It remains to be seen if the Scottish electorate get another independence referendum - The SNP may well put preparations for one in train, whether it comes off or not is another thing entirely. Sturgeon must be cursing at present, pressure for a second "indy" referendum from all those people who flocked to join the SNP in the wake of the last one will be immense. The reality however is that all those awkward questions raised in the 2014 campaign are still there only in 2016 the offshore oil & gas industry is on its bones and the oil price is at bargain basement level with little or no sign of it picking up. Go for an independence referendum now and the SNP will lose it - Sturgeon knows that.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 12:23 PM

"The bit in bold there is the statement that has been rebutted by Morgan Stanley"
Doublspeak
"Some massive and extremely pessimistic assumptions there "
Nope - they've been discussing placing the borders back in place all day here.
The closure of borders to British firms has been a topic of discussion here all day,
Why should British firms have free passage over foreign countries - it has just removed itself from the only reason it has been able to.
"during which time things will be put in place to the mutual satisfaction of all parties."
Who says and why should countries assist a competitor?
The only reason for this decision to have been pushed through by the wealthy and privileged bit of Little England is the one touted by the Brexits from day one - to get rid of Johnny Foreigner.
I see you fail to commnt on the immediate damage done already - resignation of head of state, threat to peace process, possible break-up of Britain, immediate economic crash, (27 to the tune of 137bn.....
Sneak past the awkward bits, as usual
It's turned out to be a catastrophe on the first day - what can happen in a week, never mind two years?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Stu
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 12:14 PM

"According to Article 50"

Ha! No-one's got the balls to press the button. Redwood was on this morning suggesting it will never have to be pressed.


"Farage for Pope!!!"

Yeah, you must be really proud of him. Congratulations.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jack Campin
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 12:09 PM

Conversation in an Asian fabric shop in Edinburgh today, between the Pakistani proprietor and a Scottish Muslim cleric: since only other part of the UK to vote as strongly for the EU as Scotland did was London, how about we keep London as a sort of Gibraltar when we leave the UK?

I think most of us wouldn't even mind letting London be the capital. The knuckle-draggers in between would be happier with Belfast for a capital anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: EBarnacle
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 11:57 AM

Is NATO next?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 11:47 AM

Surely we've had more than enough predictions of what Brexit would mean. Isn't it time perhaps we stopped making them, and sat back to see what will actually happen?

So far developments which were predicted and which have happened amount to the pound taking a nosedive, the Prime Minister announcing his resignation, and Nicola Sturgeon initiating plans for an independence referendum.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 11:40 AM

"Good god man" Didn't used to believe in "God", but I do now and he voted Brexit....:0)......as all the pissy "liberals" say .. "I'm really loving this!"

Farage for Pope!!!

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 11:30 AM

Hi Raggy

I got my Euros at our local post office. A small village sub office.

I have been buying my foreign currency there for some years now and usually get a good deal.

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 11:28 AM

Raggytash - 24 Jun 16 - 09:25 AM

I see the finance house Morgan Stanley have announced they are moving 2000 jobs to Germany or Ireland.

The bit in bold there is the statement that has been rebutted by Morgan Stanley saying that "there are no official plans to move or no immediate plans to make changes".

"Apparently, one of the problems is that once things are in place, British firms will no longer have free passage across Europe with their goods and, apart from the delays, application for permission to cross will become a major issue."

Some massive and extremely pessimistic assumptions there on the part of Jim Carroll all of them highly improbable and completely baseless. Common sense would tell any sentient human being that as the EU does more trade with us than we do with them there most certainly will be some sort of free trade agreement struck between the EU and the UK. If Jim Carroll actually believed for one second that what he had written was correct then the harm to the economy of the Republic of Ireland would be immense.

According to Article 50 the UK will remain part of the EU for at least the next two-and-a-half, possibly three years, during which time things will be put in place to the mutual satisfaction of all parties.

What will be interesting to see over the next few months is what will happen in the EU member states that are markedly more Eurosceptical than the UK - one prediction in the press today is that the EU and the Eurozone have got five years at most to turn things round or go to the wall. There was little or no prospect of change in the EU as of the 22nd June 2016 - completely different ball game now that their second largest net contributor has decided to leave.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Ed.
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 11:21 AM

Yes it will hurt. So does a hard session in the gym.

Wow! That is possibly the worst analogy I have ever heard. Do you honestly really mean that??? Do you actually understand what Brexit might mean?

You still do it because you know you will be better off as a result.

You don't know that you'll be better off as a result of Brexit. Hope, fair enough. Know? Sorry but you don't have a crystal ball. And to go back to your pathetic analogy, I bet Kamrul Hassan's family wouldn't agree....

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Stanron
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 11:01 AM

Stu wrote: Apparently we're not getting the £340 million for the NHS and are no longer the world's 5th largest economy as France leapfrogged us as the pound tanked.

I remeember when we were the worlds fourth largest economy. Decades of EU membership resulted in a downward slip. Perhaps now that downward slip is ended.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 11:00 AM

"That 'fact' about Morgan Stanley has been rebutted."
No it hasn't - read what it says.
It says there are no official plans to move or no immediate plans to make changes - the world of difference.
This type of reaction will not be the last.
Apparently, one of the problems ids that once things are in place, British firms will no longer have free passage across Europe with their goods and, apart from the delays, application for permission to cross will become a major issue.
As predicted, this will set the peace process in Ireland back decades, already they are planning to re-erect the border posts.
I've been listening to interviews with Irish citizens living in England - one tearful lady told how she has seen Britain swing to rapidly to the right, particularly on the question of race describing how she was constantly been told about "these bloody immigrants".
When she pointed out that she was an immigrant, the response was "Ah, but you're different" - "White" she presumed they meant.
Her son, who was born in England, was "Feckin' off to Germany - there's no future here".   
On the other hand, an Englishman (extremely lumpen-sounding) man living in Donegal said he had voted 'Leave' because "we want our freedom back'.
I have little doubt that there those who will not be bothered at what's happening to England (I exclude Scotland - they seem to be considering a way back to Europe for themselves.
I feel both worried, for my friends and family, and more than a little ashamed that the people I lived among for all of my life, my people, should have allowed England to sink to this level.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Stu
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 09:48 AM

"I dislike ALL politicians unless they prove they're actually not self-serving, lying bastards."

Well, you fell for their bullshit, lies and fear peddling. You think Farage is self-serving and lying?

Apparently we're not getting the £340 million for the NHS and are no longer the world's 5th largest economy as France leapfrogged us as the pound tanked.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Stanron
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 09:47 AM

I voted leave too.
Yes it will hurt. So does a hard session in the gym. You still do it because you know you will be better off as a result.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 09:44 AM

According to The Independent online That 'fact' about Morgan Stanley has been rebutted.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 09:25 AM

I see the finance house Morgan Stanley have announced they are moving 2000 jobs to Germany or Ireland.

Connected to yesterdays referendum result ??

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Brian May
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 09:22 AM

I voted LEAVE and am at peace with that decision.

As for jingoistic, slogan driven bullshit, it seems to me ALL politicians were very much involved - of whatever hue.

Along with the media, nobody can really be proud of their conduct during the campaigns.

I'm quite even-handed, I dislike ALL politicians unless they prove they're actually not self-serving, lying bastards.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 09:17 AM

"The Trumpistas have infected the British Isles."

No Greg, I think you'll find it's The Murdochistas.

And as one of the 'Old White People', Stu, I did no such thing - I, and the vast majority of my friends, voted 'Remain'. We didn't all fall for the jingoistic, slogan-driven bullshite of the 'Leave' campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 09:06 AM

" Hope the N&Q article on "Married in Green" that I sent you arrived safely."
Sorry Mike - yes, got it this morning - it lay on an absent neighbors doormat for a couple of days.
Many thanks - will be in touch -
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 08:54 AM

Less of the "old white folk" please. Plenty of us voted to stay in.

Trump's enthusiastic response is embarrassing for most Brexiters , I imagine. No doubt Putin will be next, and Mugabe after that. I suppose people can't help their friends.

Let's all hope the worst fears of the In campaign will not come to pass. The plummeting value of the pound is not too encouraging in that direction.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 08:53 AM

Not exactly a 'jibe', Jim. Just amused by your rehearsal of a concept which, however accurate, was a manifest cliché, followed by a denunciation of my use of what you chose to observe as clichés. On general topic, we shall obviously differ — nothing new there!

Best regards anyhow. By train of thought - Hope the N&Q article on "Married in Green" that I sent you arrived safely.

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Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 08:50 AM

... and just as my wife was starting to enjoy watching football,
now she is is very perplexed, depressed and ashamed to be Welsh...!!! 😢

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 08:45 AM

Its only good news for the 1%.
BBC 1 was hilarious in their CNNesque coverage.
False feelings about heritage and the days of yore probably skewed the vote.
Your new Independence day will bear more similarity to the movie with aliens making silent back room deals regarding trade with a handful of British insiders.

Please do not blame each other. It was the American Wall Street that greedily started this desperation and feeling of powerlessness.

No matter what the vote revealed, this is all part of the blowback from financial theft by billionaires 10 years ago.

There is more than enough "fear of the other" to destabilize things for the next 10 years.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 08:35 AM

the UK is on the road to freedom.

Give it a few years, Ake - and you'll be talking out of the other side of your mouth.

The Trumpistas have infected the British Isles.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 08:22 AM

Fascinating to watch the fallout of this result on the news.
Cameron resigned, talk of a new Scottish independence referendum and a border poll on Irish unity, both of whom produced significant majorities to remain.
What has also emerged was that this extremely slim majority was down to how the soft-underbelly of England voted, the South-East.-
All-in-all, we have a possibility of the break-up of The United Kingdom and a divided Britain
Johnson talks about there being no hurry to leave until Britain re-negotiates its contracts with its trading partners - now that will be interesting.
Great result indeed - and it's only just turned one o'clock!.!!!
Racist, xenophobic blind stupidity - as was stated quite clearly by a passing tradesman on the streets of London - though the ones with the posh voices tended to speak differently
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: peregrina
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 08:06 AM

A good result?

Sterling tanks worse than 1985.

Already a backtrack on pledge to divert funds to NHS.

Young lose chances to work abroad.

Politics of lies, division, and racism prevails.

Majority rule does not guarantee truth, justice or wisdom. Sure, out had a majority. But more people voted on each side than elected the PM and now where is control and democracy if he is replaced by an unelected heir apparent Tory leader?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 08:06 AM

"Does anyone else find this, addressed to me from Jim, as hilariously ironic [or ironically hilarious] as I do?"
Hilarious but unanswerable apparently Mike as these things usually are.
"As usual, the gr8 democrats, the Shaws & Carrolls et al, are demonstrating their enormous ❤❤❤ for democracy"
You mean as opposed to those who regard the domain of the better off, the priveleged and those of the right colour and religious persuasion - no question of that.
This campaign was based on hatred an Xenophobia - the economic effects were apparent within hours of the result being announced.
Just been listening to an economist predicting on the likelihood of countries investing in Britain now looking elsewhere to re-invest in more stable economies.
"Yes, God is indeed good."
I do wish that these Christians extended their 'Christianity' as far as the consequences that this "good" result will most certainly have on human beings in trouble, particularly the refugees fleeing from poverty in countries that the wealthy west has helped to create by its constant search for chap goods and fuel.
Or the asylum seekers that will be returned to war zones in wars wars we have helped to create by our actions and inaction.
This whole campaign has been an indication that the world is swinging sharply to the extreme right - as if some of us didn't know it already.
Jo Cox was preparing a report on right wing extremism in Britain at the time of her death - following her murder, the right-wing websites were buzzing with praise for her "heroic" murderer.
The right-wing inhumanity has shown itself in some of the arguments here - some I would expect, others I find disappointing being from people who I would have thought, should know better considering their undoubted knowledge of the effects of right wing extremism on humanity.
Happy to put up with your jibes Mike, knowing your soft spot for the nearest thing Britain ever had for a Fascist prime minister.
Now - where did I put my "grumpy 'democratic' leftie" tee-shirt - mustn't get a chill in my "liberal bleeding heart".
You are as much a stereotype as your less-educated friends - Golding's 'Flies" got it just about right.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Stu
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 07:38 AM

A good result for the old white folk who had a free education, have left the younger generations with debt, denied the, the right to move between 27 countries freely, study and work in them; entire futures have been denied. A good result for xenophobes, climate change deniers and those who are happy to let workers rights slip further back towards those of the Victorians.

The old white people have swapped one elite for another, rejected equality for all citizens, embraced austerity and have also green-lit the fracture of the union. Worst of all, they have sold the younger generations again, against the wishes of younger people in an act of myopic selfishness.

Well done.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 07:11 AM

the abandonment of the principals of democracy have led to the inequalities and injustices of Capitalism
You are a one for clichés, aren't you?
.,,.

Does anyone else find this, addressed to me from Jim, as hilariously ironic [or ironically hilarious] as I do?

As usual, the gr8 democrats, the Shaws & Carrolls et al, are demonstrating their enormous ❤❤❤ for democracy -- just as long as the δεμος do exactly what said Carrolls & Shaws think they should... Talk about bad losers [in US I believe you say 'sore losers']. And what on earth has Mr Shaw's niggling non-point about the %·age demographic of the last General Election have to do with the matter in ☛, does he think?

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Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 06:29 AM

From: Stu - PM
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 05:42 AM

"YES!!!!    The backlash has started, the UK is on the road to freedom."

The road to freedom? Good god man.

Yes, God is indeed good.

The result is also good, and unlike the results of the general election clearly shows the will of the majority of those who felt strongly enough (either way) to express a vote.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Stu
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 05:42 AM

"YES!!!!    The backlash has started, the UK is on the road to freedom."

The road to freedom? Good god man.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 05:37 AM

I'm interested MikeL you say you got 126.4 to the pound was that before or after commission where did you get that price.

The figures I gave were after commission.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 05:33 AM

Oh well, at lest Donald Trump is happy.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 05:29 AM

" I never said I thought Remain would win."

Doesn't wash DMcG you commented on Leave voters accepting a decision to Remain - under such circumstances which side has won the referendum? My powers of deduction tend towards a win for Remain.

As I said, I had a preference - indeed a strong preference - for Remain to win. That is a totally different thing to "thinking it will win". I have a strong preference for winning the lottery as well.. and knowing I could ... and hoping I will ...

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 05:28 AM

"Classic Socialism likewise – that point on the horseshoe where the L/R extremes meet! "
One ogf the great myths Mike.
Socialism is based on using the state to abolish ("wither away") the state - read Lenin's State and Revolution (a pamphlet on the basic tenets of Socialism in regard to the state).
The difference between Socialism proper and Syndicalism is that the former sees the state as temporary while that latter (impractically in my view) wished to abolish the state from the start.
Fascism it a world where all are subservient to a permanent state - Teribus's arguments being a fine example.
The abandonment of those tenets led to the Stalins andd Ceaușescus, just as the abandonment of the principals of democracy have led to the inequalities and injustices of Capitalism
You are a one for clichés, aren't you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 05:12 AM

Hi

Just got 126.4 Euros to pound. Had to shop around a bit.

Cheers MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 05:08 AM

" I never said I thought Remain would win."

Doesn't wash DMcG you commented on Leave voters accepting a decision to Remain - under such circumstances which side has won the referendum? My powers of deduction tend towards a win for Remain.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 04:57 AM

Hi

<" YES!!!!    The backlash has started, the UK is on the road to freedom.   Congratulations to the Brexit voters here.">

I don't often agree with Ake's views but today I do. The people have spoken and perhaps all parties will note the strength of feeling especially in the North West.

Cameron's gone and Our MP Osborne has been conspicuous by his absence since his wild threats.

Don't expect quick change and there will be bumps on the way.

Cheers

Mikel2




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Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 04:22 AM

Apologies for "£100billion dollars". I didn't mean to mix currencies like that. Perhaps I should just paste this from the Telegraph:

£137bn wiped off UK stocks within minutes

The FTSE 100 is now down 8.3pc, meaning £137bn has been wiped off UK blue chip stocks within minutes of markets opening this morning.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 04:14 AM


Perhaps DMcG will have some comment on people accepting the democratic will of the people, he certainly had fairly definite views on that when he thought that the vote would be to Remain

Ok, let's take the bits of that one by one.

a) I do accept the democratic will of the people.

b) I said that I didn't think Brexiters would stop campaigning to exit the EU is we voted in, especially if the margin was narrow. I still think that would have been the case, because it doesn't need anyone else's agreement to write newspaper articles or whatever. And, as McGrath pointed out, even if we had voted in there was always the possibility of another vote in ten, or twenty or forty years. The reverse doesn't apply: no-one sees a way back into the EU except with the agreement with every other member, and that's not going to happen in any way I can imagine.

b) I never said I thought Remain would win.   Yet again, Teribus, you can't sort out 'would' and 'could'. I hoped it would, certainly. I thought it could, definitely.

c) My other main comment was that I thought we should listen to the experts who were predicting a crash. So far, sterling has fallen to the lowest level since 1985 and there was a drop in the FSTE of over £100bn dollars in minutes. Ok, it may bounce back over the next few days, or it may not. Only time will tell on that one.

d) Irrespective of all that, we have an obligation to make the best of where we are now.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 04:08 AM

Now down to 1.23 Euro to the pound

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 04:06 AM

Obviously that 24% was enough to win the number of Parliamentary seats required - that is our system and had it been a Labour Government returned by the same margin you would have had no problem with it. All the wailing and gnashing of teeth about proportional representation is just so much "magpie chatter" another referendum in 2011 put paid to that system being introduced by two votes to one.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 04:00 AM

"The backlash has started, the UK is on the road to freedom"
Oh dear - the beast has risen.
The racist nature of the Out campaign and the hairline gap between the yes and no vote gives cause for immediate alarm, certainly not celebration for anybody - who on earth can be happy with a Britain split right down the middle?
A divided and disillusioned Germany gave birth to the Nazi Party - lets hope somebody can get that nice Mr Farrage and Boris the Braindead into their straitjackets before they can do any real damage.
All we need is Trump the Trumpeter in the White House and the rightist nutters will have their 'three-of-a-kind.
"Freedom"....... you read like a bad phrase from Game of Thrones'
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 03:58 AM

YES !!!! ............ er................. NO !!!!

Yesterday I got 1.30 Euro to the pound, today you can get 1.24 Euro to the pound.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 03:10 AM

YES!!!!    The backlash has started, the UK is on the road to freedom.   Congratulations to the Brexit voters here.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 03:05 AM

So what's your view on the fact that just 24% of registered electors put a cross next to a Tory candidate in the 2015 general election?

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 01:59 AM

1: The people of Northern Ireland have to want a united Ireland before there is any referendum on any change. What any political party says on the matter is irrelevant.

2: The question before the Scots remains the same as it did in 2014 when they said NO to independence. Scotland's biggest trading partner will still be England {80% of Scotland's trade}, there is no short term prospect of a massive hike in the price of oil, Scotland will have to apply for membership of the EU and they will have no interim currency but under current EU rules they would ultimately have to take on the Euro.

Perhaps DMcG will have some comment on people accepting the democratic will of the people, he certainly had fairly definite views on that when he thought that the vote would be to Remain.

Subject: RE: BS: To Br/Exit Or Not To Br/Exit
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Jun 16 - 12:46 AM

Well, it looks like "leave" has won at 51.8%.

A quote I came across: Would be a hell of a thing if this ends with a united Ireland and independent Scotland in the EU and a diminished England outside of it.