BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 06:15 AM

Jim,
Anybody who accuses critics of israel as "Jew Haters" and "antisemites" are "these people" and they post here - you are among them

No I am not!
I am not aware of anyone who does that.
Will you give an example?
I am still waiting for an example of "extremist Right-Wing claims" that you reported!

Withdraw one false statement before making another Jim!

you acknowledged it when you accused Corbyn of covering up the facts

I have never done that either!!!

How the **** can you have produced evidence when you say you don't know what king of antisemitism the Labour party is being accused of?

Because I have quoted numerous reliable witnesses from within Labour, including very senior officials, who report having seen it for themselves.
A reliable witness is regarded as strong evidence in any court, and a number of such witnesses would be regarded as proof beyond reasonable doubt by any intelligent jury.
Case proved Jim.

You even claimed that the Jewish members of Parliament refused to produce that evidence for the love of their party

No. I said they expected the Party to deal with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 06:15 AM

Lovely Facebook group here. We love the Yorkshire Dales. I think you need to join to post but you can look at the pictures without doing so. I have not posted any pictures yet but I did give a link to the Mr Fox song 'The Gypsy' which is set in the Yorkshire Dales. I think Bob Pegg lives in Whitby now but I am not sure. Do you know Raggy?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 06:11 AM

I agree Raggytash but surely the answer is to open a new thread on the beauties of the English countryside. I would be pleased to contribute as I am extremely fond of the wonderful views in my part of Scotland.
As I mentioned earlier the antics of some who obviously want the thread closed or derailed are an insult to the opening poster who's behaviour on forum is almost always impeccable.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 06:09 AM

That beach Steve is on the road between Clifden and Ballyconneely.

I have several bags of coral and shells that one day I will continue to make into jewellery. I must take my Dremel with me next time I go over which should be in March.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 06:05 AM

I and the others have always agreed that there must be an antisemitic element in the Labour party just as there is in any other walk of life. I know you have probably forgotten as it was more than 2 posts ago but I have already said, and Steve and Jim have agreed, that antisemitism is a problem in the Labour party but no more so than in any other walk of life. What is more the party are working at reducing it which is a damn sight more than can be said of others.

The other day I asked you a question and you skirted it. You have already said that you do not believe the Labour party itself is antisemitic as that is not in its manifesto. Do you therefore believe that Labour party members are more likely to be antisemitic than anyone else? I await your response. A simple yes or no will do.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 06:05 AM

I haven't got a pack of "bullies" professor. I like the other people on this thread are not a "gang" either.

No one is being bullied or intimidated as far as I am aware, or if they are, they must indeed be sensitive little souls if they are frightened of being told of the wonders of nature.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 06:03 AM

Steve,

That's the first time in my life I've ever bullied or intimidated anybody with wild flowers or Jurassic fossils, I must say.

It is not the subject that is intimidating, it is your hijacking an existing debate.
With a whole pack of you doing it, many of you with a reputation for aggressive posting, then yes it is bullying and intimidating people who just want to continue discussing the Labour Party.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 06:00 AM

Ake, People can discuss whatever they like. However this particular topic has been running for over 18 months on this and a previous thread with no end is sight.

The joy of walking up in the Dales or having a pint in Robin Hoods Bay or cycling the bog road between Clifden and Roundstone on the Connemara far exceeds any "joy" that has been found in the discussion of the "topic" so far.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 05:58 AM

I don't really want to get involved with dog shit as we don't even have a dog, but when it appears outside our house I clean it up. It helps considerably if I think pleasant thoughts while doing it. Far better than what I would like to do to the owner.

Of course I suspect analogy is wasted on some.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 05:57 AM

Rag, you do not need to use this thread to discuss places of interest or anything else.
You and your pack of bullies has made it very difficult for those of us trying to discuss the thread subject.

Dave,
a party that sets up an investigation into antisemitism and admits that antisemitism is a problem is the one that gets accused of being antisemitic.

Dave, all the accusations came from within Labour, and also the accusations that the Party was not addressing the problem.
What has kept this thread going is Jim and Steve denying that Labour has a problem with it. At least you seem to be acknowledging that fact.
See if you can get through to the others.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 05:55 AM

"It would be stupid Jim, but who are those people and where do they post?"
Anybody who accuses critics of israel as "Jew Haters" and "antisemites" are "these people" and they post here - you are among them
"Do you believe that Watson lies to harm his own party?"#You have what Watson is and has doem - you decide whether he is telling the truth - you have the evidence - where's yours?
"The evidence is that the leadership, the NEC, Sadiq Khan and many others within the Party acknowledge that it is true."
The evidence came yup with the fact that the accusations had no ground - you acknowledged it when you accused Corbyn of covering up the facts - without proof
How the **** can you have produced evidence when you say you don't know what king of antisemitism the Labour party is being accused of?
You even claimed that the Jewish members of Parliament refused to produce that evidence for the love of their party
Do not dig yourself into an even deeper ohole of stupidity
There is no evidence of a problem of antisemitism - none whatever.
THere are onlty accusations - accusations are not evidence, they are not proof and no civilised society would ever convict without those accusations being fully specified
Back to your padded cell Keith - you have lied and twisted enough.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 05:53 AM

Who's not open to persuasion by the way, Stu? I've been persuaded to change my mind here on a number of topics. I tend to keep quiet about it in case some weak-minded twat calls me a snowflake or accuses me of making up shit, etc. 😉

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 05:52 AM

Raggytash, what on earth are you playing at?
Keith is right, if you don't want to engage just leave the thread.

I don't expect Jim Dave or Steve to appreciate that, but you are above that sort of behaviour IMO and from our previous conversations.

I hade to leave the "Trumps enemies" thread after making my point, I registered my disapproval of what I considered a nasty post, if in metaphorical form... my post was almost immediately removed by a mod, but my point had been made .....end of story, I certainly would not attempt to wreck the thread because of the political views of one moderator.   A

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 05:47 AM

That's the first time in my life I've ever bullied or intimidated anybody with wild flowers or Jurassic fossils, I must say. Just wait 'til I lay into you with a Victoria sponge, Keith. Lock up yer daughters!

I have a feeling that I drove on that Connemara road in 1977 when the missus and I spent a month trundling round the west of Ireland in our Morris Minor. Bloody roads -three punctures in four weeks! There's a little strand somewhere round there where bits of coral wash up. I filled a matchbox with some as a souvenir. Can't tell you the trouble that caused us back at the port. A half-hour grilling by the anti-terrorist lads who took a lot of persuading that it wasn't drugs or explosives or something. The buggers turned us upside down!

Took a little lump of tufa from Gordale Beck to show my chemistry teacher at school. He was a bit of a geology freak. He was delighted that he thought he was nurturing a future geological star. Alas, a year later he was threatening to chuck me out of 'O' level chemistry for homework failure-to-do. He even threw a piece of chalk at me once. Twat. I got a grade 2, by the way.

Dunno what I was saying that was opposite to your experiences, Jim. Complementary, more like, I should say, with similar sentiments. Not saying that discussion of this should be verboten. But I do get sorely pissed off with this pair of obsessives that have us going round in circles. Anyway, I've been studiously hijacking this for 24 hours now and have yet to receive even a small bollocking. Don't mind discussing issues with sensible, fair-minded people, of course. And that's going to get a fine response, I predict.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 05:37 AM

So True Stu, isn't it so much more beneficial to discuss the beauty of the Dales.

Something I would hope we could all agree on.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Stu
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 05:34 AM

Expect any thread discussion the Labour party will be hijacked by people flogging the same old dead horse, resulting in endless circular arguments. You're not open to persuasion, never going to agree so what's the sodding point?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 05:33 AM

What is even stranger Raggy is the logic that says that a party that sets up an investigation into antisemitism and admits that antisemitism is a problem is the one that gets accused of being antisemitic. By that same token, as I suspect there has never been such an investigation by the BNP, then they must be less racist than the Labour party. Strange world indeed...

Still, let's get back top the sensible stuff. If you are coming to Ribblehead, email me. Chances are I will be walking on Saturday afternoon but if you are coming then I will let the others know. If you need accommodation I am sure we will find room in the bunk house but I think Christine may object to the smells and noises emanating from some bunks :-) The Station have rooms which I believe are quite good.

Cheers

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 05:29 AM

I don't think I have demanded anything on this thread.

However if you point out one of my posts where I HAVE demanded anything I will, of course, apologise.

I don't think I have been bullying or intimidating on this thread.

However if you point out one of my posts where I HAVE been bullying or intimidating I will, of course, apologise.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 05:07 AM

Rag,

Well who would have thought that extolling the beauty of the Dales or Robin Hoods Bay or the Connemara would one day be considered bullying and intimidating.

It would not be intimidating on a thread entitled "Places I Have Known."

Any subject used to prevent discussion of something else, with a whole pack of people demanding that the subject be changed, is intimidating, bullying behaviour.

I would welcome discussion of those places, but not for it to be used to close down an existing debate. There is plenty of room for more threads. You do not need this one.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 05:01 AM

Jim,
Theuy ghave no evidence of antisemitism in the Labour Party - end of story
If they had evidence they would have produced it long ago -

We did.
The evidence is that the leadership, the NEC, Sadiq Khan and many others within the Party acknowledge that it is true.
Many have been suspended for it, and at least one has admitted making anti-Semitic statements born of ignorance.

Why would they all lie. It harms the Party
Have you any evidence that they are all lying to harm the Party?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 05:01 AM

Well who would have thought that extolling the beauty of the Dales or Robin Hoods Bay or the Connemara would one day be considered bullying and intimidating.

What a strange world we live in.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Stu
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 04:59 AM

Unbelievable. This whole fucking thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 04:54 AM

Jim,
These are not a "loaded questions."

Do you believe that Watson lies to harm his own party?

I am not asking if he ever lies at all, just whether he lies to damage his own party whose members elected him Deputy Leader.

And, if he does, does he do it for the Government of Israel.

We all know he has close ties with Israel's Labour Party, but not with its current Right Wing government which a Lefty like him reviles.
You will never hear him defend settlements.

So, Jim and Steve, do you really believe that he lies against his Party for the government of Israel?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 04:41 AM

Dave,
The OP took one particular issue but there was no suggestion that it was the only Labour Party issue that was allowed!

By the same logic there was no suggestion that anything else was disallowed.

Yes there was.
The thread title limited the debate to discussion of the Labour Party.

Your little group clearly do not want to discuss that any more.
Fine. Stay away.
It is trolling to try to prevent discussion by those who are interested, using bullying and intimidation from a whole pack of you to discourage decent folk from discussing what they want.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 04:37 AM

Talking of favourite places, there is a road near Clifden on the Connemara that leads out across a bog. There are a myriad of Loughs that shine like jewels all across the vast plain and a range of mountains, the Twelve Bens, that flank one side of the it. The sea provides another boundary. It is utterly beautiful, peaceful and although I know little about Botany the plant life is very varied.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 04:33 AM

Jim,
Don't you realiuse how stupid it is to argue antisemitism with people who accuse the Jewish People for the Crimes of the Israeli regime?

It would be stupid Jim, but who are those people and where do they post?

Now Jim, are you going to duck this one too?
Can you identify one single "extremist right-wing claim" ?

If you can not you are making shit up and lying again.

Please prove me wrong and put up an example.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 03:53 AM

My experience is the opposite Steve
I have never read the Jewish press in my life until recently, when I started taking Harretz on line - I should imagine that, like ny other community, the press seldom reflects the opinions of any other community across the board, just those with access to the media.
I moved from Liverpool to Manchester in 1965 and immediately, through my interests in politics and music, immediately came into contact with Jewish people who shared those interests - all either supporters of either Labour or other left-wing groups and many of them active in community groups or trades unions and virtually all from a refugee background.
They were like any other people - good, bad, intermediate.
I had know Jewish people earlier, but it hadn't registered they were Jewish - I was brought up in a family that regarded people as being people without having to hang a label on them (or sew an identification tag on their arm!).
While those who I knew were very aware of their heritage and their history, because of their recent experiences particularly, they did not cut themselves off from those outside their faith but were friends, comrades or fellow trades unionists.
It was from them I learned a little of Jewish recent history and it was eventually from them that I learned to mistrust and eventually despise those right-wingers who are now running Israel - though it lost me a treasured girl-friend in the process.
When my dad was killed in a road accident, four strangers who had seen the announcement in the Liverpool Echo, turned up for the funeral - they had fought alongside my dad in Spain and one of them had gone to Palestine after the war to fight for a new State -
We spent the afternoon talking of their experiences - an education - these people where giants of human beings compared to this little group of inhuman, extremist hate merchants.
I've never been a member of the Labour Party, but I've known enough people who have to realise that it is totally illogical to suggest, without a single practical example, that a party that was founded on the dream of improving society for the better, should be antisemitic - almost as illogical as finding someone guilty of an accusation without specifying what they re guilty of.
For ***** sake let's move on and leave these people to the comfort of their padded cells
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Feb 17 - 03:18 AM

There is some stuff in Gordale beck that goes right back to the origins of life on this planet. Tufa? Something like that. Anyway, it is the stuff that they reckon kicked off oxygenation. It was on a Bear Grills documentary.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 10:14 PM

It read like a single-minded siege-mentality anti-Labour Party campaign document.

And rightly so, wot! With all the disgusting spew issuing forth from the mouths of party members one would think we're in Weimar bleedin' Germany or sumphin', eh lads.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 09:24 PM

"Anyone who ARE," dammit?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 09:22 PM

Couple of months ago, Jim, I picked up a copy of the Jewish News in Radcliffe Asda (or was it the Jewish Telegraph, may have got the name wrong). I take my mum shopping to Prestwich and Whitefield when I'm there, an area with a large Jewish population, and we might go into a caff for a butty and a pot of tea. As far as I can see, people there are down to earth and they get on. Bit of a snapshot I know, but I was brought up round there, as was my mum and all her clan and I did a lot of my supping in the pubs round Heaton Park. Can't deny that a lot of people haven't got much time for anyone who are identifiably not of their own ethnic ilk, or whatever you want to call it, but I don't see much outright animosity. You wouldn't think so, though, reading that paper. It read like a single-minded siege-mentality anti-Labour Party campaign document. That stuff was on nearly every page. It made me bloody fume to think how the real enemies of ordinary working people, the sodding Tories, were being given a bye. Any kind of ethnic or racial intolerance has got to be sharply tackled and never overlooked or indulged, but people can't, and don't, and won't, live their whole lives under siege. I'll discuss antisemitism (as long as it's the real thing and not some pro-Netanyahu confection of the type our two resident carriers of the flame peddle) 'til the cows come home, but never letting go of it so that you can live your life is a baleful and negative way to carry on. That's how I see all these bloody anti-Labour, anti-Israeli regime-criticism threads these days. We've had a lot of it and it's well getting on me tits. I like everybody who likes me, whether they're black, white, pink, brown, Jews, Muslims or the missus.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 08:13 PM

Hey Dave, I forgot to mention Gordale Scar, star location of the Dales and the Pennine Way (slightly off-route, as I recall), one of the few strongholds of the common juniper and home to a very rare sedge, just round the corner from Malham Cove. But what a place! And just across the road is Janet's Foss hidden in the trees, one of those little amphitheatre waterfalls where you could imagine fairies dancing around in the sprinkly light. Late May/early June on a sunshiny day is the best time to see nature in all its glory and to remember why you're an atheist!

Anybody here know Upper Teesdale?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 08:06 PM

These people have no case - either point that out or leave it there.
Theuy ghave no evidence of antisemitism in the Labour Party - end of story
If they had evidence they would have produced it long ago - nor decent society finds anybody guilty of anything without specifying the Charges.
First Keith blamed Corbyn for suppressing the report - the report is in the mands of the Israelis yet they have nor revealed the nature of the so called "antisemitism"
Asked why the Jewish members of Parliament haven't revealed the nature of the accusations, Keith went on to blame the Jewish members for hushing it up "for the good of the party - a 'Jewish Plot' - does that remind anybody of a period of world history.
Why are you even talking to these people - so called defenders of The Jewish People who refuse to comment on Trump's appointing of an extreme antisemite and the fact that Trump's victory is being used to get France's leading antisemitic family in control of that country - LePen was even photographed at Trump Tower, gert these gallant battlers against antisemitism refuse to say a word.
One memorable phrase Thatcher used during her erign of terror as "The oxygen of publicity" and that is exactly what you are giving this sad shower.
For Christ's sake stop calling each other schoolyard names - you are as bad as one another - they are dragging you down to their level.
"Meccano"
Thanks for the heads-up BWM - I lost the box to my set a long time ago.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 08:00 PM

No wonder the Labour party is in the toilet when you see shit like this which, by the way, is the same shit we have seen from Mudcat's own Labour supporters :

A newly elected official in a local chapter of the UK Labour Party has accused the "Israel lobby" of controlling the British government, the volunteer-led charity the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism reported on Friday.

According to the report, Rebecca Massey, the Interim Chair of Central Hove, Brunswick and Adelaide, has been using the Twitter handle @beckycheabas not only to attack the Jewish state — calling it "pathological" and "barbaric" — but to libel Jews under the International Definition of Antisemitism, adopted by the British government in December.

The Algemeiner


On another occasion, Massey tweeted an article explaining how the "Israel lobby manufactured the UK Labour Party's antisemitism crisis", as if that crisis were not as a result of British Jews decrying egregious antisemitic statements by senior Labour Party figures. Since these allegations did not come from Israel but were from British Jews, the "Israel lobby" is a misnomer: she means a 'Jewish lobby' again deploying what the International Definition refers to as "the myth…of Jews controlling the…government or other societal institutions."

Campaign Against Antisemitism

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 07:16 PM

Anyway, boobs, enough of this. You are interrupting a very serious discussion of holidays, schoolday reminiscences, the lovely Dales and wild flowers. AND the Forty Martyrs, you heathen you! I've decided to ignore you completely in this thread from now on, and I may not be alone in that either. So rattle on, dear boy, rattle thou on! Shake it up, baby!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 07:03 PM

Didn't Ronald Reagan cosy up to terrorists? Do we count General Pinochet as a terrorist? It wasn't us lefties who cosied up to them, was it?

You're right, Greg. There's an unidentified irritant afoot!

Did I ever tell you about the time in that caravan near Cleveleys when there was a cat fight on the roof in the middle of the night? Damn near drove us home off our hols, it was so terrifying!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 06:53 PM

It trolls for thee.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 06:46 PM

Good bloke if that`s the kind of bloke that floats your boat. A lot of people including those in his own party will be happy to see his ass out the door. The party would do well to choose a leader who doesn`t cozy up to terrorists.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 06:31 PM

Me too. Good bloke. But his days are numbered, Dick.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: The Sandman
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 06:29 PM

I support Jeremy Corbyn.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 06:14 PM

All ten votes in favour? Plus mine and Dave's and Raggytash's if I may be so presumptuous? Plus Greg's, 'appen? Then it's a wrap! They lose! We are the metaphorical Banksies!

(Well at least we're Bill the painter and decorator from up the road. No job too small, strictly cash. Times are 'ard, you know...)

I'll have to check with Jim about his vote...hope he's not doing a Diane Abbott on us...😂

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 05:56 PM

Ask not for whom the Bell Trolls. Or vice versa.

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 05:40 PM

Strolls?

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: bobad
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 05:27 PM

Trolls!

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 05:02 PM

LOL! 😄

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 04:20 PM

Thanks BWM. I guess I have to rename my leggot set as well...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 04:18 PM

On reflection, a damn sight more Labour MPs and supporters go on holiday, visit the Dales and enjoy wild flowers than indulge in antsemitic activities :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 04:12 PM

This is a folk and blues music forum. It has a BS section in which anything can be discussed. As far as I remember the term BS stands for Bull Shit. That is what these threads are supposed to be and, more often than not, are. To take them seriously is the crazy bit.

But, if it makes you any happier, I am sure most Labour MPs have holidays. Maybe some of them visit the Yorkshire Dales or Italy. Perhaps one or two of them even have an interest in botany. So, everything discussed here has had relevance to a discussion on the Labour party.

Now, Steve, any chance of getting in touch with Banksy to make a proper job of that paint over?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 04:02 PM

Just on a point of order, Dave and Jim, it's not 'Mechano', it's 'Meccano'. Apologies for my pedantry! 😉

And thanks for my ten votes, Steve. All ten for beer and holidays! 👍😎

Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 17 - 03:43 PM

Well I think it's "bad forum etiquette" to clutter up the forum with yet another "Labour serious antisemitism issue" thread. I think it's good forum etiquette instead to have pleasant little conflabs about reminiscences, wild flowers and the Dales. Think of it as painting over a soiled, flaking, graffiti-riddled wall with a lovely new layer of paint, or covering it over with a beautiful huge poster of the Birth Of Venus. Or the Rokeby Venus. Any Venus!