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BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)

Big Al Whittle 30 Jul 17 - 01:35 PM
DMcG 30 Jul 17 - 02:21 AM
robomatic 29 Jul 17 - 09:43 PM
Greg F. 29 Jul 17 - 09:53 AM
Big Al Whittle 29 Jul 17 - 05:10 AM
Donuel 28 Jul 17 - 10:19 PM
Donuel 28 Jul 17 - 09:48 PM
meself 28 Jul 17 - 08:15 PM
gillymor 28 Jul 17 - 06:55 PM
Greg F. 28 Jul 17 - 01:07 PM
Donuel 28 Jul 17 - 10:28 AM
Greg F. 28 Jul 17 - 08:54 AM
Donuel 28 Jul 17 - 08:33 AM
gillymor 28 Jul 17 - 08:28 AM
Big Al Whittle 28 Jul 17 - 08:22 AM
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Donuel 28 Jul 17 - 06:21 AM
Stu 28 Jul 17 - 04:23 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Jul 17 - 01:35 PM

its no wonder so few of you vote - thats really complicated.

Trump has my new found respect for understanding that!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Jul 17 - 02:21 AM

In fact, robo, from a historical point of view, the whys and wherefores of how that system came into being are very interesting, and well worth reading about. There are number of unexpected twists and turns, such as the southern states insisting the slaves should be representing in the system, and the northern states wanting to exclude hem, which is the opposite of what you perhaps expect when you first hear of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Jul 17 - 09:43 PM

Big Al:
American government is quite complicated in toto, but element by element it can be explained simply.
Each of the United 'States' is a complete self-governing body with its own written Constitution, a complete governmental system and legal system. Each of these states sends delegates to the Federal Government which has powers given it beyond State powers according to the U.S. Constitution, such as powers to wage war and control inter-State commerce.
Our U.S. House of Representatives is proportional representation, so that States with large populations have more votes than States with low populations. It is similar to the House of Commons. The Senate has two votes per State regardless of State size. It is like a House of Peers, only with power. A law can be initiated in either body but has to pass both bodies in similar language to go before the President, who can choose to sign it into law or veto it so it does not become law, or not sign it which means that after a set time it does not become law (pocket veto). Congress can over-ride a veto with a 3/4 majority in both the House and Senate. The House has primary power of the purse.
The House and the Senate have feelings of rivalry but a Representative (House) has common interests with the Senator from his or her State.
The Vice President of the United States is President of the Senate and has the power to decide a tie vote in the Senate (which happened Tuesday when Pence broke a tie to commence debate on the health care vote).
I'm sure this has kindled in you a newfound interest in the American system of Government.
("who just said bollocks?")


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jul 17 - 09:53 AM

Spot on, Big Al- but go easy on the rats.

Any rat would be grievously insulted by being compared to Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jul 17 - 05:10 AM

Perhaps you should open another thread Ake - explain what it is that so appeals to you about Trump.

I'm fairly neutral on American politics. I don't know enough about it - and I can't understand the difference between all these Houses of Congress and House of Represntatives, not to mention Governors and State Governors, etc. But to even to a non partisan person like myself - he seems like a rat's arse. Ugly, nasty, prolix, incoherent, dishonest, abusive, very negative, and one of these phoney 'celebrities'.

Point out what it is I and the rest of the mudcat gang have failed to appreciate.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 10:19 PM

Homeland Security now has an opening for...
Dan Savage?
Rush Limbaugh?
Sean Hannity, Laura Ingram, Mark Levine, Alex Jones, Gordon Liddy,
Michael Medved, Dennis Miller, Jared Kushner, Bill O'Reilly,
Spider-Man, The Hulk, Iron Man, Supperman?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 09:48 PM

meself,
The Trump immigration policy has inadvertently increased membership in the gang called MS13 because immigrants can not report the criminal activities to authorities who will deport them, be suspect of them and tear their families apart.
The choice they are left is join or become the target of MS13.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: meself
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 08:15 PM

And in his latest speech, along with encouraging the police to abuse prisoners, he proclaimed that the 'human trafficking' - a term he seems to have just learned, incidentally - going on from Mexico into the USA is - surprise, surprise - on a scale greater than any human trafficking in human history. I guess that slave trade thing wasn't such a big deal ....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 06:55 PM

Priebus out, Kelly in. They're going to have to install a revolving door on the West Wing. I can't imagine anyone with decency or integrity who'd want work in the den of (incompetent) vipers. Any one who does better have the jack for a good lawyer.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 01:07 PM

No, Ake the Scouts have apologized for The Truimpshit's bullshit.

But you still think a deranged, malignant narcissist who lies every time he opens his mouth; who routinely stabs his friends in the back; a sexual predator guilty of multiple sexuual assaults; a crook who has stiffed his creditors, emplotees, and contractors over the course of several decades, a man who thinks if you can't afford health insurance you should crawl off quietly and die; who continues & expands an idiotic war in which mostly young people die; who is privatizing ublic schools so that only the wealthy will have acceas to decent education..... I could go on but I won't.....

IS A PROPER ROLE MODEL AND INSPIRATION FOR U.S. YOUTH?

You're even more deranged than The Trumpshit.

Sad.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 10:28 AM

Scaramoucci is Trump on meth and steroids.   
WHAT THE PRESS CAN NOT REPORT


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 08:54 AM

was he pissed?

No, he's just an asshole.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 08:33 AM

Big Al
check out The Onion satire about Scaramoucci and you will know more than what TV and newspapers can not say that really was said.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 08:28 AM

It might be of interest to those scouts trying to attain their martini-mixing merit badges.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 08:22 AM

does anyone have any idea of what all that was about - the bit about the people at the cocktail party?

was he pissed?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 07:14 AM

Trump's America: Trump addresses Boy Scout Jamboree and 2 days later the head scout has to apologize for Donal Jerk's remarks.

Vox


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 06:21 AM

The Pentagon has nicely announced that they will not follow orders by Tweet. They will instead follow correct chain of command orders.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Stu
Date: 28 Jul 17 - 04:23 AM

Wow. Scaramucci... the mentality of the White House seems to be that of one of those inarticulate groups of folk who spend the entire day outside Wetherspoons arguing, fighting and effing and jeffing loudly at each other as they sink into alcoholic oblivion, never having an actual conversation but constantly expelling a series of accusations and guttural snipes. Unpleasant.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the transatlantic stupid bubble, ministers contradict each other on a daily basis about the Brexit fiasco. They seem to have zero idea what they want, less idea of how to go about getting it. Unbelievable.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 08:12 PM

All part part of the long-standing Republican War On Reality, meself.

Nowt new.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: meself
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 07:44 PM

Back to the Boy Scouts: on the positive side, the Dumpster announced in his speech that Americans are going to be allowed to say 'Merry Christmas' again. You knew Obama made it illegal to say Merry Christmas, right? The dumpster's making it legal again! Hip, hip, hooray!!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 05:15 PM

the democratic right to vote is an exercise of power.
And with power comes responsibility.
the people who voted for Thatcher did immense harm to this country.
And yes they bear responsibility for what their voting produces.

hells too good for them. they should spend eternity in a television room showing Big Brother.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 05:13 PM

the morally challenged nitwits who support Donald Jerk

Take a bow, Ake.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: gillymor
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 04:27 PM

They may have been trying to avoid a Clinton presidency but they voted FOR a sociopath to accomplish it. Like I said, nitwits.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 03:55 PM

I suspect they voted "against" HRC rather than for DJT. His weirdness and meanness were evident to anyone who looked at what he said and did. If all votes were equal we would operate on majority rule rather than by Electoral College. A friend pointed out that the electoral college operated by proportional voting until about 1820, when the present formula came into being.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 02:52 PM

"A special place in hell"? for exercising their democratic right to cast a vote?

That is exactly what I mean about "liberal" hatred.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: gillymor
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 02:43 PM

The shame, and hopefully a special place in hell, is reserved for the morally challenged nitwits who support Donal Jerk.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Stu
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 02:40 PM

"he's an odd cove. fuck knows how he got to be president. "

That we can agree on ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 02:31 PM

As far as I can see the "deranged hatemongers" on Mudcat are the "liberals" who hate everything which doesn't fit their ideology.

How many threads for numpties have we had insulting, name calling and attempting to undermine your democratically elected president?
Hatred oozes out of almost every post.

You are all nuts, don't you realise that if you had the guts to ditch the dreadful Clinton person, you would in all probability have won the election....but you could not bear to leave the "shelter" of your comfort zone.

As I said earlier, If you had somehow summoned up the courage and supported Bernie, you would have found that the political establishment and their tools in the media would have treated him just as badly as they do Donal John........You should all be ashamed of yourselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 02:09 PM

he is odd. very odd!
he reminds me of Jimmy Saville. He looked odd in the same way.

if you'd looked at Saville, you would have said, he's odd.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 12:43 PM

Take a bow, Ake.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: meself
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 12:39 PM

"he's an odd cove" - That's about the most charitable description of that deranged hate-monger I've heard - except from his deranged, hate-mongering worshippers, of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 12:29 PM

They wanted their country back

Wasn't aware it had gone anywhere.

The "liberals" ... don't give a flying fuck for the abandoned underclass,

And Trump and his billionaires do? Jesus wept.

The only catastrophe is the attempt by the corrupt media, the self serving "liberals" and the political establishment to sabotage the democratically elected president of the USA

You need to seek professional help and/or adust your meds. You get more delusional by the day.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 12:23 PM

whatever you say about him Ake. he's an odd cove. fuck knows how he got to be president.

didn't anyone notice that he gives weird disjointed speeches like this one? and totally inappropriate to give to boy scouts...
if you heard someone talking like this in the pub - you would guess they were at least mad.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 11:59 AM

Big Al is right on the button, the sore losers are still bleating, but Brexit has nothing to do with president Donal John.

Globalism, bureaucracy greed, are a common denominator and a huge swathe of the electorate were sick of being ignored by media and the elite. They wanted their country back, wanted to make their own laws, have a say in who comes here and in what numbers.

The "liberals" are running scared in America and in the UK. They don't give a flying fuck for the abandoned underclass, they are what they have always been, whining hypocrites.
Just listen to them on here ...poverty they don't Know the meaning of the word......and if they did, they still wouldn't care.

The only catastrophe is the attempt by the corrupt media, the self serving "liberals" and the political establishment to sabotage the democratically elected president of the USA and the result of the Brexit referendum.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 08:41 AM

I'm with Stu but Trump is the bigger catastrophe from my perspective.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Stu
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 07:39 AM

I wasn't insulting you, you said you didn't see what the connection is between Trump and Brexit was, I offered my opinion. At the root core of both of their right-wing ideologies is divisiveness and xenophobia, blaming 'the other'. However the 'other' is not Poles, Asians, Mexicans or Syrian refugees, it's the hedge fund mangers, city wonks (Farage et al) and corporations paying no tax whilst our government s wreck our healthcare services and make us work until we fall over dead. No retirement fair many of us plebs!


"Its about bringing to heel forces in our community which are beyond our control whilst we are in the EU."

What forces? The democratically elected EU parliament? You don't have that control, you're never going to have it whilst Brexiters and Trumpers are in charge as they don't want us to have it. Why would they? They're sorted already, and that sort of wealth and power needs protecting from the mob. Best make the mob think you're on their side. These people don't believe in the common good at all, they are protecting their own interests and that of their global capitalist/establishment muckers, and the Trump and Brexit voters have given them a mandate to do so. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT US.


"The demagogues you stand in awe of are the economists who brought us monetarism and fucked the industrial base of the country."

Not true in the slightest. So far from the truth it's laughable. I'm not sure even to which 'demagogues' you're referring to... not the one who stirs hatred with his nasty posters of refugees, the one standing in front of bus lying through his over-privileged teeth or the one who blames Mexicans for his countries ills and hates LBGT people.


"Although it seems to attract people with a pathological need to insult."

Like I said, I was addressing your opinion not you personally; I'm talking about the leaders of Brexit and Trump's cronies, not the ordinary folk who voted for it for understandable reasons (though I believe they were lied to). All this is also directly relevant to Trump's appalling speech to the scouts; the current situations in the US and UK haven't arisen in isolation, they are part of a crisis threatening to engulf all of the 'western' powers as they struggle to deal with a world that is leaving them behind as their myopic leaders and press barons decide to look after themselves and to hell with everyone else.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 07:11 AM

no our fishing communities aren't going to haul in record catches - but they might be fished responsibly.

Brexit is not about regaining past glories. Its about bringing to heel forces in our community which are beyond our control whilst we are in the EU.

Brexiters are not expecting our lot to improve overnight. WE want to subsidise our industries in a way that has been labelled 'unfair competition' for forty years. The french and Germans somehow subsidise their industry (how else would Skoda become a market leader?). Just because we're so dumb we obey laws that they ignore is a bloody good reason to exit the EU.

We have not been conned by demagogues - you have. The demagogues you stand in awe of are the economists who brought us monetarism and fucked the industrial base of the country.

However my sincerely held beliefs are nothing to do with you. You have no right to ridicule them - particularly on a thread that is to do with this speech, and sod all to with Brexit. Although it seems to attract people with a pathological need to insult.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Stu
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 06:40 AM

The connection is simple, people are told their voice is not being heard and so demagogues step in with false promises and lies and play to the fears of folk in both cases focussing immigration and "making America great again" or "taking back control"; in the UK this was basically the will of a few expat media moguls and an establishment that wishes to ensure full control of all the home nations is kept securely within the corridors of Whitehall, in the US within Trump Tower.

Here int he UK immigration isn't going down any time soon and the delusion that England is ever going to regain the glories of it's imperial past are rather pathetic and sad, based on a vision of a era that doesn't and never did exist. The real issues that have left people feeling marginalised are not going to be addressed by Brexit or Trump, these problems are the fault of previous and successive governments and nothing to do with Europe; the tories imposed austerity and actively encouraged wage stagnation and pay inequality and are not addressing it now, and I'll bet a penny to a pound the workers of the rustbelt see zero improvement in their quality of life any time soon.

Trump and Brexit remove any hope for the future of our countries, their future is a bleak, semi-authoritarian world of divisiveness and hate. The US has lost it's credibility abroad, everyone thinks Trump is a dangerous, ignorant and unpleasant ape, the UK is going to go from being world leaders in science and tech working closely with our European allies to becoming a obsequious poodle of the sort of states no-one with an ounce of moral integrity wants to deal with at all; I guess if johnny foreigner is suffering and we can make a few bob who gives a shit? Not 52% of the UK it appears, who seem happy to settle for a devalued Poundland society.

You think our fishing communities are suddenly going to start hauling in record catches? Our farmers are going to replace the migrant workers that pick our food with the old white people that voted to keep them out? Will the steel workers of Pennsylvania suddenly be firing up the furnaces again?

Watch in five years time as the Brexiteers and Trumpers moan that their lot hasn't improved, that our countries are diminished in the eyes the world due to their idiotic xenophobia and mistake belief in their inherent superiority over everyone else.

Brexit and Trump are two side of the same coin, and neither are the way forward. They are lies and liars have convinced the people their won suffering is in their best interest. Amazing.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 05:52 AM

i don't really see the connection between Trump and Brexit. i voted for Brexit - i can't really see why anyone from north of Watford or from a fishing community (and that used to be the entire coast of England) would vote for anything else.

The thread though is about Trump and this speech to the scouts. Scouting has changed a lot over the years. In the years I was a cub , it was all about granny knots and dib dib dob!

what a strange speech to give to young people! all about people , no ones ever heard of...it was more like a drunk, stood at the bar rambling on about all kinds of bollocks.

what a lousy experience for young people...probably their first experience of meeting a great important politician.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Stu
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 05:10 AM

>i>"a voice which is owned by the political and social elite and no change can be achieved till that voice is shared>"

Hi IS the elite. He's a mega-rich uber-capitalist from a privileged background that has ZERO idea what it is like for the ordinary folk and apparently cares less. Any idiot with pots of cash stand up and tell people what they want to hear, and Trump sure is an idiot.

Trump and Brexit. The world of stupid is here to stay.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 04:00 AM

We both know why but Greg will give you the most succinct Third Reichian answer in his initial post.

I don't think Trump envisions growing a new crop of SS troops or because of Trumps conviction to Nazi ideology but due to the fascist friendly, clever and complimentary Bannon voice in his ear.

I could be wrong as they say the greatest feat of the devil was to convince people that there is no devil. - so to speak.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 03:28 AM

Donuel, I think you've explained the secret of Trump's success: "He shares common hatreds, which some may argue are stronger than common loves."

But why does he have to spew that hatred on Boy Scouts?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Thompson
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 03:25 AM

Getting them to scream "NO!" when he asked if Obama had ever visited the Boy Scouts was interesting (did Obama visit?)

Poor lad still obsessed with Obama even though he's now president. Poor America.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 03:09 AM

I can agree on two points only Ake.

Common touch does apply but Donald is not a deep well of simple country wisdom that could put a post doc to shame. He shares common hatreds, which some may argue are stronger than common loves.

Everything can be politicized. But should it be? In Saudi Arabia everything is religionized, but should it be.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jul 17 - 02:28 AM

Joe, politics is a grubby business any attempt to change the political establishment(the rump of the Republican and Democratic Parties) will be unmercifully attacked by the mainstream media.
The President seems to have the common touch, something I see in most Americans,
He speaks to those who have traditionally no political voice, a voice which is owned by the political and social elite and no change can be achieved till that voice is shared.                                 Any Socialist who tried to change the US political system would be treated exactly the same or perhaps worse than Donal John.
Its called divide and rule....any move towards détente with traditional "enemies" like Russia or China would cause a media storm.

Do you not think the media would brand him   "Red Bernie" rake through his background for any ties to Communism.....if they could not find any they would construct their own.

Everything in this world is to a degree politicised....you should try listening to the "completely unbiased" BBC Overseas service.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: meself
Date: 26 Jul 17 - 08:38 PM

Just saw Bob Gandolf interviewed on CBC. He said that some years back he had dinner with the dumpster, shortly after one of his bankruptcies. Dump spent the entire time talking about how he was planning to destroy the lives of several people who had refused to give him money. Gandolf: "I think it's important that people realize what kind of a vindictive person Trump is." He had a few more things to say about dump, none of them good.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jul 17 - 08:38 PM

If Ake is authentic, A case in point regarding the divide and conquer strategy against American culture is the trump announcement that all Transgender members of the armed forces are to be eliminated and
discharged.

In the imagined world of military trans gender troops pitted to the death against civilian Culture Warriors I envision a very short battle.

Somehow this brouhaha has brought to light that the armed services take 41 million dollars worth of Viagra a year.

"This is my rifle this is my gun
Which takes Viagra and which is more fun?"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Jul 17 - 08:12 PM

Joe, if youre trying to educate Ake as to the realities of this world, you're on a fools errand.

And Trump is way beyond a boor- he's a deranged and dangerous asshole.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Jul 17 - 07:24 PM

Ake says: The Scouts seemed to be very impressed by President Donal John. Perhaps the US youth has become tired of establishment politics, of being talked down to, having their faith and patriotism mocked.


Yes, Ake, I have to admit that the Boy Scouts sounded alarmingly like a Trump campaign rally. That's one of the reasons I left the Scouts in the 1990s. It was becoming politicized, and I found that my political views were not welcome. There are still many Scout troops that don't get into that political stuff, but too many of them do. Here in the Western U.S., the Mormons wield a huge amount of influence in the Boy Scouts. They are very generous and contribute a lot of time and money, but their overwhelming numbers and their overwhelming conservatism got to be too much for me.

Look back at what Presidents from both parties said to the Boy Scouts when they addressed National Jamborees - they all expressed high ideals and told inspiring stories. Reading those speeches, one can't tell whether the President giving them was Democrat or Republican. Even sleazy Presidents like Clinton and Nixon set politics and sleaze aside when they addressed the Boy Scouts. But not Trump.

This wasn't values Trump was talking - it was plain, pure, partisan politics. And there were too many things Trump said that went beyond politics into what is just poor taste. The man is a boor.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: The Twitler Youth? (Trump address to Scouts)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jul 17 - 07:03 PM

Unlike Akenaten, I believe Trump is desperate for blood shed.
American kids are different than Akenaten imagines.
But there are differences.
Virginia kids are even different from Maryland kids
West Virginia kids are different than California kids.
Overall politicizing kids is an evil endeavor Akenaten.


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