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Subject: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Whippet Date: 31 Aug 01 - 05:35 AM Hi I'm new to all this !! but to start me off does anyone like me think that Morris Dancing is just a waste of space !! I mean what do all those blokes think they are up to waving hankies about surely they can get into other pervy pursuits like cross dressing or something |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: IanC Date: 31 Aug 01 - 05:39 AM Each to his own, Whippet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: MC Fat Date: 31 Aug 01 - 07:28 AM What about the stick dancing and rapper folks they look hard they do but as for Scratch ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Skipjack K8 Date: 31 Aug 01 - 07:41 AM Whilst I defend your right to free speech, Whippet, and sneakingly agree with you, that was a pretty negative maiden speech. Get your feet under the table before you alienate yourself. Welcome, anyway. Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: John P Date: 31 Aug 01 - 08:42 AM If you don't like Morris dancing, don't do it. Don't watch it. And especially don't bitch about it. What's the point? What do you like? John Peekstok |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,French Guest Date: 31 Aug 01 - 09:01 AM Excuse in advance my English If I make some mistakes but I wanted to reply this: A friend of mine introduiced me to Folk Dancing and I have to say that I really enjoyed it. He used to practice Morris Dancing and to see his interest I wanted to discover it. Last year by chance I assisted to a festival and had that opportunity to see what Morris Dancing is. I utterly enjoyed myself, it was wonderful to see all that coordination. It was a particular atmosphere where joy music and rythm were mixed. Being narrow minded that is crap!
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Jock Morris @ work in Edinburgh Date: 31 Aug 01 - 09:03 AM Morris dancing is just drinking in fancy dress:-) We put on a colourful show for the public, we enjoy ourselves and we get pissed. Nowt wrong with that! Now if someone can explain what's so facinating about watching 22 men kick a leather clad pig's bladder round a field...:-) Scott (Sticking (pun intended) with Morris dancing) |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: English Jon Date: 31 Aug 01 - 09:09 AM Presumably this thread should be "Isn't Morris dancing crap"? Watch your spelling, punctuation and capitalisation, Whippet. And no, it isn't. It's just not as good as Rapper or Longsword. EJ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Marymac90 Date: 31 Aug 01 - 09:14 AM Dear French Guest, Your reply was wonderfully refreshing. I used to enjoy contra dancing before my knee went bad, and I understand what you're saying about music, rhythm, and movement completely. I miss it very much, but it's got way too much pivoting on the right knee for me to put my knee at risk. I really appreciate your positive attitude, and hope you become a member of mudcat soon! Marymac |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Snuffy Date: 31 Aug 01 - 09:20 AM But we don't really enjoy it - we just do it to annoy people like you. it's nice to know we succeed sometimes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: MC Fat Date: 31 Aug 01 - 09:26 AM My mate Ken says he only does it so he can wear the jewellery |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: IanC Date: 31 Aug 01 - 09:27 AM EJ You got anything against regional aphorisms? I'nt is fine by me. Bit of snobbery here, I fancy.
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Bagpuss Date: 31 Aug 01 - 09:33 AM English Jon- Whilst whippet's use of "i'nt" may have simply been an error as you suggest, when I first read it I presumed (s)he was using it to imitate the common spoken form, as in the "Int milk brilliant!" catchphrase from The Fast Show. If our American friends can use *ain't*, then we can have *int* if we want! Having said all that it probably was just a typo. And I'm just waiting for someone to resurrect the debate about the anti-semitic nature of morris dancing again.... Bagpuss |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Bagpuss Date: 31 Aug 01 - 09:36 AM Ian C - great minds think alike (and fools seldom differ). Let me know which you are... Bagpuss |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 31 Aug 01 - 09:44 AM I saw the morris dancing at Whitby, I like it.john |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: catspaw49 Date: 31 Aug 01 - 10:31 AM Very educational.......I wasn't aware there was a KKK klavern in the UK. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST Date: 31 Aug 01 - 10:35 AM Hehehehe.... All I can say is that with all that 'fertility' they are flicking about with their hankies, etc, PLUS their capacity for alcoholic beverages, then cross-dressing is hardly the kind of alternative pursuit that Morris Dancers would follow if the narrow-minded were to succeed in turning the unwashed masses against it.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Paul in Hull Date: 31 Aug 01 - 10:36 AM Hmmm..wonder why it did that...the previous posting WAS me.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,French guest Date: 31 Aug 01 - 11:17 AM Thank you Marymac
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: English Jon Date: 31 Aug 01 - 11:53 AM IanC - if it's a regional aphorism, surely it should be "I'n't"? Anyway, name a region of England that capitalises Verbs, e.g. Dancin (should be dancing, or dancin' if we are to allow abbreviations). Come to think of it, the noun "crap" is usually lower case too, methinks. So, Jus' Call me a Ped'nt. I still think Rapper is much more fun. EJ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Bagpuss Date: 31 Aug 01 - 12:03 PM English Jon's a Ped'nt, English Jon's a Ped'nt.... Bagpuss |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Bagpuss Date: 31 Aug 01 - 12:13 PM Just a small point: The contraction of shall not is usually written shan't, not sha'n't. Written English doesn't follow nice easy rules all of the time. Oh and it is quite commonplace to capitalise the initial letters of the main words in a title. Bagpuss (proud to be a pedn't) |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,JohnB Date: 31 Aug 01 - 12:15 PM The Morris community respect your right to your pitifully ignorant opinion, You must therefore respect our right to consider you a total wanker, it is up to you to confirm or deny this by your subsequent postings. JohnB |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Roger in Sheffield Date: 31 Aug 01 - 01:12 PM I used to think so This year I went to Sidmouth for the first time and one of the most enduring memories is the morris dancing teams from one end of the Esplanade to the other. The huge crowds watching didn't think they were crap, and after a couple of days neither did I. They were there entertaining people, through rain and hot sun. By the end of the week I wanted to be a stick weilding black faced Shropshire Bedlam or an Ouse Washes Molly Dancer. Lifes too short to be cynical about everything and one thing about most of them Morris dancers is they are far fitter than me and without the beerbelly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 31 Aug 01 - 01:42 PM I went to Whitby for the first time, I saw lots of different Morris Dancers there, this was the first time I had seen real Morris Dancers,(I had only seen it on tv before that).I noticed that all the Dancers and all the people watching them enjoyed it, and on the Thursday night they were showing members of the public how to do it,I did not join in because I am unfit and my knee is knackered, but everybody liked it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Gareth Date: 31 Aug 01 - 01:47 PM Actually Morrs dancing is a bit like amature Rugby Union - 80 minutes of semi athletic activity in funny clothes befor one gets down to the serious business drinking and singing. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Deda Date: 31 Aug 01 - 02:11 PM I'm a relative newbie and I love International folk dancing of all kinds. I love dance, full stop. It's not so far removed from loving music. Morris dancing is delightful, if you just let yourself be delighted by it. It's as much fun as a good square dance or a polka or a jitterbug, or watching Gene Kelly or Fred Astaire. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Mr Red Date: 31 Aug 01 - 02:30 PM Whippet I personally have never danced any morris and probably never will but I will defend the right of any morrisbod (&/or bodess) to prance around waving there software, espcially if there are 10 of them with a stick and a sword in their hand. AND just what is all this about very personal tastes in satorial orientations? Huh? AND You might as well come clean - what is your stand on BODHRANS? Eh? EH? you'll find there are at least two of every kind here on the Mudcat so any opinion will evoke someones ire but it helps to have a few positive opinions, if you want to enjoy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Podger Date: 31 Aug 01 - 02:30 PM All dancing is fun. I prefer dance styles that allow one to grab hold of a woman now and then. But all dancing is fun. If you capitalize Morris then you should capitalize dancing. Something to do with 'agreement' I think. Podger |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Steven G. Date: 31 Aug 01 - 02:32 PM Anytime I hear Stan Rogers song "The Idiot" I can just picture Morris Dancers dancing to that tune. I believe I read somewhere's that they actually dance to that tune. I never seen them dance before, but I was at a couple of website that are devoted to Morris Dancing, and it was "quite" a interesting site. As someone said "To each his own" Let them dance until the sun goes down and goes up. Steven G. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: brid widder Date: 31 Aug 01 - 03:03 PM Morris dancing is indeed a fertility rite...my luvverly hubby dances...he does grab hold of me now and then podger...consequently I'm expecting our fifth child, so I beleive it to be effective...why don't you give it a try whippet,or if as your name suggests you have a rather slight, ladylike figure you might prefer garland...I'm sure your local team would make you welcome |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: 2 in harmony Date: 31 Aug 01 - 03:19 PM High energy level, coordination, rhythm, interaction, and so on make Morris Dancing a uniquely enjoyable treat. Why not open your mind, develop an appreciation for dance in general and then take a look at Morris Dancing again. With your degree of sensitivity to dance, your next thread may be "Isn't Music Crap" Sorry, but such negativity begats negativity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Morticia Date: 31 Aug 01 - 04:38 PM Think about it, Whippet.Sides of ten or so stick or sword wielding, heavily drinking nutters...I'd rather have them out dancing where I can keep an eye on them, wouldn't you? "Dance, dance, when I give the word. And never mind the people who say we look absurd" |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: smallpiper Date: 31 Aug 01 - 07:36 PM I'nt Morris Dancin Crap - well no actually it i'nt! It gets on my tit ends somtimes and sometimes it doesn't but like many afore me 'ave said each to his own. I notice whippet has been very quiet since 'is initial postin' |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Lepus Rex Date: 31 Aug 01 - 08:15 PM Criticism of Morris Dancing from "Blackadder": Edmund: Morris dancing is the most fatuous tenth-rate entertainment ever devised by man: forty effeminate blacksmiths waving bits of cloth they've just wiped their noses on. How its still going on in this day and age I'll never know. Not MY opinion, though. I've never even seen a Morris Dancer, but I'm a huge fan of effeminate blacksmiths. ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST, Paul from Hull Date: 31 Aug 01 - 08:28 PM *G* Now THERE is a mental image I could have done without! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: catspaw49 Date: 31 Aug 01 - 08:58 PM I think Whippet may have had a Klavern rally to attend. Any of you over there notice fiery crosses? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST Date: 31 Aug 01 - 09:40 PM Well, as a fair few Morris Sides black up to dance, as part of their costume, & as Sticks arent unusual (& as the 'sticks' are often PICKAXE handles) the 'Clan' might find the pointy bits of their hoods a bit beaten down should they try & hassle THOSE 'black' guys.......*WG* |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,badlydrawnbow Date: 31 Aug 01 - 09:53 PM hallo I don't think Morris dancing is crap. I think people use it as an excuse to get pissed sometimes and less of an excuse to create exciting entertainment...but I've seen some truly awesome Morris dancers in my time and therefore wouldn't throw the hanky wavers out with the bathwater.Nothing beats a teenage Bampton lad jumping as high as he can in tight white pants on the right Mayday with the sun on your back.Sigh... |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Lucius Date: 01 Sep 01 - 01:56 AM Beyond crap, I'm sure that it is just a flash in the pan. It won't last. While we're at it who do these classical freaks think they are anyway. Why would anyone give old buggers like Beethoven and Bach a listen at all--and writers like Dickens and Joyce, GIVE ME A BREAK. Give me Britney Spears any day for something that will last. Well, I'm off to stick my head in a bucket. Can't be too broad minded. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Les/Manchester Date: 01 Sep 01 - 04:26 AM I think whippet had a perfectly reasonable point. What makes some of us most uneasy about Morris is the explanation that it is a fertility rite of pre-industrial, even pre-Christian, origin, not just rugby and drinking by other means. These same people then practice it in such a way as to beat any sense of ritual or magic out of the dance and its special sennse of occasion. I seem to remember an article in an EFDSS publication that gave strong evidence that the origin of Morris was in German courtly dances. People say what ever they like without any need for evidence and they can dance likewise. But some bits of folk dance/song/lore do go back a long way and affect some of us emotionally in ways that pop, classical and Morris at the end of the pier on a sunny day do not. Is 'Hal an tow' a Victorian creation or something much older? That Fire ceromony with barrels of burning tar? Northwest Morris in tiny pennine towns is that also Victorian or does it have a deeper heritage? It strikes a strange chord with me.
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Green Man Date: 01 Sep 01 - 04:30 AM Ere's a man oo obvoisly don't unnerstand iz eritage. Us Engerlish fully realoise the significuns of Murris Darncing. The earliest to me own knowledge recorded dance is the Orn Dance of Abbots Bromley. The significance of the hankies depends on the time of year. In the winter theyre useful for blowin yer ooter. In the summer they represent the spreading of the sperm on to Mother Earth to fertilise Her. Of course the Church are very interested in CONTROL of such powerful PAGAN symbology and so have been instrumental in marginalising the importance of the Ritual aspect of Morris. Whil most English are taught about the Nazi's they arent taught about theyre true heritage. I fully concur with the idea that 22 men kicking a gas filled bladder about is any different. The only difference here is that they seem to get a lot of commercial support. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Les/ Manchester uk Date: 01 Sep 01 - 04:39 AM Abbots Bromley????? Isn't that the dance that was 'improved' by the Vicars wife in the 1800s? The Horns have been carbon dated (can't remember the date) but that doesn't mean people used them to dance with from that date. I guess the stag used them for a while |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Green Man Date: 01 Sep 01 - 06:14 AM The improvements have been removed. I bet the Vicars wife got to know the dancers tho.. Its what Morris men do, fertilise things innit? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Lanfranc Date: 01 Sep 01 - 06:32 AM There's nowt wrong wi' Morris Dancing - some of t'silly buggers who gawp at folks doing it, tho', abaht them I'm not so sure! Can't keep up the dialect - who snuck "Aphorism" into it? I've always thought that meant a neat saying, a quick ripost or a pithy comment, not an attempt to render a dialect in phonetic latin characters. Always wanted to contribute an "Mfourism" - one of those crafty comments you think of about ten minutes too late, but delivered at speed for once. (A4, M4 - geddit - oh never mind). Would a miners side that danced with lights in their hats be Wolseley dancers? Chacun a son rite de futilite! A short answer to your question, whippet - "NO" |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: John J at home Date: 01 Sep 01 - 06:33 AM Re: The Horn Dance....it's on Monday 10th September. Anyone going? I've booked the day of work and I'm looking forward to a good sing / play. BTW Whippet, where have you vanished to??? John J, Morris Dancer (resting) |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Mrs.Duck Date: 01 Sep 01 - 08:40 AM No its wonderful and fun and my youngest children are already 'dancing out' I will send photos to Pene Azul of Geoff the Duck and ducklings dancing at Whitby! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Liz the Squeak Date: 01 Sep 01 - 09:47 AM What about the team that dances in black leather biking gear and uses scaffold poles and pick handles? Manitas taught them (or at least, their founder) all they know... except about bike leathers... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Dorrie Date: 01 Sep 01 - 12:24 PM i love morris dancing but not with (grrrrrrrrrr) horwich meanies picking me up infront of loads of people grrrrrrrrr. But with my dance teams P.A.C it rules dorrie x |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: mouldy Date: 01 Sep 01 - 01:20 PM Hey, LTS - they're still going, then? Last time I saw them was on Hale & Pace's sketch some years ago: "I'm a Heavy Metal Morris Dancer". Andrea |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Manitas Date: 01 Sep 01 - 03:41 PM I didn't teach their founder. He was Dick Shepherd and he taught me. I taught a few of the the bikers (along with Brian Russel) when they first joined but that must have been 15 years ago now. I bet they've changed the dancing quite a bit in that time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Bernard Date: 02 Sep 01 - 06:29 AM In the immortal (immoral?) words of Les Barker: Waving handkerchieves Bid fat men with bells on Waving handkerchieves Morris dancing is crap! It must be, or I, and thousands of others, wouldn't waste a lot of our spare time doing it... It's a means to an end - the end being some serious drinking!! As to dances where you grab hold of women - ours is a mixed side (heh, heh!). Why do we wear bells? To annoy the blind as well as the deaf... And we all know why we aren't circumcised... |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: DG&D Dave2 Date: 02 Sep 01 - 09:10 AM Hi All. I danced the morris for many years with Derby Morrismen, But I fear that my dancing days are over since tearing a ligament at hergakitty's birthday party. In my opinion there are three main reasons why people dance (regardless of the type of dancing). 1) To be part of a team. A natural human condition. In morris this is usualy associated with large amounts of beer and sexual inuendo. See Ripley Morris! 2) To demonstrate prowess in athleticism (what I call "White Shoe Morris"). See Shropshire Bedlams. 3) To express a deep rooted, emmotional, empathy with some sort of pagan, earth mother, etherial being who helps the crops to grow. Which was Derby Morrismen's original ideal. I personaly only ever danced for the "White Goddess" and I know many others who feel the same. More Power To Your Ankles!!! Dave Barnes. P.S. I don't blame Kitty or Herga Morris for my recent injury. I blame the 8.5 abv cider at Sidmouth. I was a young man, I was a rover. Dave B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: brid widder Date: 02 Sep 01 - 09:20 AM the 'White Goddess' is that another name for Margaret Thatcher? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 02 Sep 01 - 09:29 AM brid widder-Plese ring me, my number is in your last PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Mr Red Date: 02 Sep 01 - 09:47 AM Abbots Bromley horns have been carbon dated to 1065 (ominous date) and are reindeer (not snow darling). Reindeer were extinct in about 600 AD in Britain. Not a lot of people know that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 02 Sep 01 - 10:39 AM Y'all have been trolled. It's an open secret that "Whippet" is a pseudonym of Anita Bryant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: HelenJ Date: 02 Sep 01 - 11:42 AM Ever been to Saddleworth Rushcart Whippet? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Les/Manchester Date: 02 Sep 01 - 12:35 PM I have been to Saddleworth and seen them dance. I used to dance with Gorton. Saddleworth danced at the Gorton Rushworth cart. One year the ended the processional just behind Fiddler's Fancy ( one of many excellent Womens sides). Somebody said to one of Saddleworth MEN Oh, I see you are dancing with women now! The joker was struck by the MAN and left in an ambulance. It is the only case of violence I think I have witnessed at any Folk event. I think is said something about that deepseated uncertainty about what MEN are doing dancing together |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: HelenJ Date: 02 Sep 01 - 12:36 PM On second thoughts is this just provocational and nothing else? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: HelenJ Date: 02 Sep 01 - 12:43 PM Hi Les,No.1. son (JohnJ) used to dance for Saddleworth b ut always maintained that Gorton Rushcart was superior. I went a couple of times to Gorton and saw the Horn Dancers there. Why did it ever finish? I heard it was something to do with the council refusing to provide accommodation for the many sides who took part. So Chris of Gorton Tank told me. A great pity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: wildlone Date: 02 Sep 01 - 02:02 PM crap?, compared to what? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Liz the Squeak Date: 02 Sep 01 - 04:31 PM Manitas, we have to blame someone..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: lady penelope Date: 02 Sep 01 - 04:43 PM John in Manchester, You obviously haven't seen some of morris sides dancing out at the moment if you think they've lost all their Pagan attitude!! TTFN M'Lady P. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 02 Sep 01 - 06:49 PM I have just ben looking at a fer morriss dancing sites, and it says they dannce a bit and ha ve a whip round for bee r money this sounns good to me, if my kneee was not nackered i I would have a go you can dance(keep fit as well and gwt some bear.johnPS please ekscuse any bad spellings I have bean drinking that is whyjohn |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 02 Sep 01 - 06:56 PM oh dear my last message looks vert drunk, I have been drinking rum that is why but at least i still put my name not like some guests who dont; even put there name if you want you can cancel my nessage and I will send ir again when i gey sober i won give any more messages to mudcat todat.john |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Jane2001 Date: 02 Sep 01 - 07:52 PM Hmmm, six athletic men prancing around in tight trousers. Yes I can appreciate that some people would not understand the attraction, but actually I quite like it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Snuffy Date: 02 Sep 01 - 08:01 PM I wouldn't describe my Morris Dancing performances as crap, but sometimes they can be on the ropy side. Now my whistle playing is usually crap, and my singing isn't always quite as good as I would like, but: I DO ALL OF THEM TO GIVE PLEASURE TO MYSELF. If anyone else gets pleasure out of them, that's a beneficial side effect, not the point of the activity. And Bagpuss, Lewis Carroll definitely used sha'n't rather than shan't. But I don't think anyone would seriously use it today. Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,john c Date: 03 Sep 01 - 12:54 AM ALL dancing is a waste of space(but thats only cos I´ve got two very left feet!!). Great debut thread, by the way, Whippet - cats, pigeons and a tongue firmly behind the molars. Keep em coming! John And, namesake in Hull, I hope you´ve got an even worse hangover than me this morning. Bloody sure you deserve it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Liz the Squeak Date: 03 Sep 01 - 02:09 AM Six athletic men in tight trousers? Hells teeth mate, tell me which team you were watching - PLEASE!!! Ain't never seen nothing like that in all the teams I've seen over the years, not six of them in one team..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Deni Date: 03 Sep 01 - 03:43 AM DEAD SERIOUS reply Most impressive Morris display I ever saw was one watched from a kids' eye view. we were in the tent ...excuse me...MARQUEE at Dartmoor Festival a couple of years ago and a some of my kids joined a group of youngsters watching the dancing. I joined them, mainly to make sure the kids didn't get trampled. We saw a lot of good displays. Then a bunch of big guys thundered in, banging sticks and doing a sort of violent skip around the marquee. Bearing in mind we were sitting on grass; the very earth vibrated, the kids shrank back in terror, their eyes were wide and they couldn't look away. A couple of the youngest actually started to cry. I began to get a real sense of ancient ritual. It was menacing and thrilling. Anyone who finds it namby-pamby should sit on the floor within inches of all those size 11 hobnail boots as they thunder by... keep going all you Morris dancers, there are people out here who love you... Cheers Deni
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Whippet Date: 03 Sep 01 - 04:39 AM I haven't vanished will be back this afternoon |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Guest - Whippet Date: 03 Sep 01 - 09:04 AM Eeeh what a hornet nest I've stirred up. Some of you seem a little bit precious and holy.Some replies Skipjack _ alienate ? seems by the reaction it's t'other way. Mr Red - I think I've seen you, you've got everything red red bodhran, red glasses , trousers , top , beret perhaps you're verging slightly on the weird replying. Morticia is this a threat ? nice and peaceful pursuit. Cats Paw KKK ? as someone points out same colours. Leeniea - it's by it's nature a pseudonym but it's not that one. Brid Widder - Garland Dancing ? do us a favour it's for birds with fat arses that one. My thoughts on bodhrans are exactly the same by the way and I'll end this epistle by quoting Oscar Wilde eveyone should try everything once except Morris Dancing and Incest. Now I must admit I have seen one team that I liked for different reasons think they were Windsor Morrris top totty in white |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 03 Sep 01 - 09:47 AM whats an epistle? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: IanC Date: 03 Sep 01 - 09:56 AM jih a letter |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 03 Sep 01 - 10:24 AM Thanks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Ringer Date: 03 Sep 01 - 11:18 AM I think the "everything but Morris Dancing & incest" quote is actually Thomas Beecham, not Wilde. Sorry to come to this thread so late: some joker has wiped out 20% of Chesterfield's phones by pouring petrol into a junction-box & setting it alight. Speaking as one who once did, I think the Morris is best enjoyed by doing, not by watching. I had a friend who used to say "I do it because it makes me feel like a man." A belated welcome to French Guest above: I second MaryMac - join up soon; it's all gain, no spam. Come and be a French Guest again this Christmas (hope it's the right French Guest). |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: John J Date: 03 Sep 01 - 12:23 PM From his reply I reckon Whippet is nowt but a stirrer. JJ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Jane2001 Date: 03 Sep 01 - 03:12 PM Oh Liz, so cynical. Are you rather young? Try Dog Rose. Only four of them, but when they wiggle their hips....! Personally I get quite excited over men over 50 who can get off the ground. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Les b (U.K.) Date: 03 Sep 01 - 04:41 PM I don't know if Whippet's statement about Morris Dancing was just to stir things up or not, but he/she did a good job. I am pleased to see a healthy lack of bigotry from most of the replies, but this is only what I would expect from folk fans. This sort of ignorant comment is what I would excpect from the less well informed ie:-'The Great English Public' who seem to take great delight at pouring scorn their own traditions and heritage such as traditional music, morris dancing and other 'folk customs'. These people poke fun at anything English and then rave over Irish, Scottish and Welsh culture. The Irish, Welsh and Scottish are proud or their culture and heritage whilst the English take the piss out of their own. There that's got that off my chest. Les |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Liz the Squeak Date: 03 Sep 01 - 05:29 PM And if you are going to quote, get it right - it's FOLK dancing and incest.... not morris dancing. The two are not the same. Jane2001 - let me have a list of their dates please!! While I will not deny that there are some extremely sexy looking dancers out there (mentioning no penguins), there are a vast majority of not so sexy ones. There are nice bums, good tums and hairy chests. Just not all on the same dancer, or even in the same team! Garland dancing may be for girls with fat arses, but I've never done one in my life and don't intend to start now - and if it's about fat arses, I think I should know, don't you?? LTS (_^_) |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Mr Red Date: 03 Sep 01 - 07:01 PM "Incest" quote is Sir Arnold Bax Tommy Beacham may have said it but he was supremely aware himself that he was credited with all sorts of acerbic wit already in the public domain because it was the kind of thing he might have said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: brid widder Date: 03 Sep 01 - 09:10 PM some of my best friends are Garland dancers....yes and some of them are in fact 'birds with fat arses'....in fact those words might have been chosen to describe me!!!(and I have been known to beat my own bodhran) Whippet I think your remarks are rude, ignorant and sizist!!! you might be a whippet...at the moment I feel like a rottweiller!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Longarm Date: 03 Sep 01 - 10:25 PM Hmmm, interesting thread this. I was once given some advice back in my youth. "One should attempt to try as many things in life as possible, with the exeption of incest and morris dancing'!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Sep 01 - 01:55 AM It's still folk dancing, whoever said it and however it's dressed. It's BLOODY FOLK DANCING!!! (sorry, toothache still playing up) LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: MikeofNorthumbria Date: 04 Sep 01 - 07:38 AM A note for the benefit of Whippet, and others holding similar opinions.
Morris dancing is a bit like football. In both, there are great teams, good teams, mediocre teams, and struggling teams. (And, as in football, even good teams sometimes have a bad day.) You may well have witnessed a few dire performances, but wait until you've seen it at its best before condemning the entire art form.
And if you still don't like it after that? Well, next time you encounter a team of Morris dancers in the street, just pass us by and get on with your sad life, while we (and our audience) carry on having fun in our own way! It doesn't harm anybody, and it gives a lot of people a lot of pleasure. If it's not your cup of tea, then go drink your coffee, and belt up!
And to the other contributors to this thread ... Wassail!
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,JohnB Date: 04 Sep 01 - 01:07 PM Just back from the Toronto Ale, had a great time, approx 120 or so dancers from 16 different sides/teams/whatever. At least two Mudacatters. I guess we can't all be wrong can we. There were four sides there that do a dance to Stan's The Idiot, although only two did their dance this weekend. All in all had a bloody great time. Plenty for everone, TVI for LTS lots of young fit bums there, or so I heard several of the ladies commenting. Even a few on other sides who would have interested Whippet, from his second posting. Anyone seen the Californian side who "sew" their bells on? Thanks for the general air of support, we have lots of fun doing it, glad that MOST others have fun watching. For the one's with bad knees, try Border or Molly (no galleys) JohnB |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Bernard Date: 04 Sep 01 - 03:17 PM Live and let dance... |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Jane2001 Date: 04 Sep 01 - 03:31 PM Liz, Sorry can't help you with dates. I've already gone into hibernation, but try ringing the Cumberland Arms in Newcastle. There'll probably be someone there who can put you on the right path. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Sep 01 - 03:44 PM Ah, Newcastle... bit out of my range for a day trip although I've done stranger things..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Guest - Whippet Date: 05 Sep 01 - 08:31 AM Moi? a stirrer ? . So the quote isn't Beecham or Wilde well I can sleep contented having been informed by the mass of Morris Dancers-R-Us or should it be (Morris Dancers are Arses heh heh). I don't have a sad life. Brid Widder are you really a rottweiller or is that why you is a widder ? Any type of Folk Dancing dunt beat Line Dancing and I don't drink tea I already drink coffee. have a nice day. Oh by the way in response to the eloquent posting of John B who described me as a total Wanker, I am reminded that I can't be because I'm circumsized and you have to be ' Complete wanker' to be one. Touche Mr Pussycat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,lesgjones Date: 05 Sep 01 - 08:40 AM Let me be a pain in the arse. Either Morris (and other alleged ritual dance) is just social dancing about and having a laugh, in which case lets leave it at that. Or, it is very old, possibly of pagan origin and has some probably ritual origin and purpose. This is the line put about by EFDSS, the Morris Ring, Dancing England and most Morris dancers when asked about it. In which case why do so many sides cheapen a possible ancient ritual dance by performing anywhere, anytime for anybody and often being very silly at the same time? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: KingBrilliant Date: 05 Sep 01 - 08:47 AM Dog turds is crap. Morris isn't. Kristin |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Ringer Date: 05 Sep 01 - 08:50 AM I think Guest Whippet (he started of the thread as member Whippet: could the new one be an impostor?... probably not, his punctuation is equally bad) really screwed up his closing joke. Surely the joke should be Q: Why can't a good Jewish boy be a Morris dancer? Guest Whippet demonstrates that it is possible to be circumcised and a complete wanker! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Ringer Date: 05 Sep 01 - 08:54 AM I can't see, legsjones (yes, I know), why it has to be either-or. Why not both (having ritual origins, enjoyed now for "social" reasons)? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Guest - Whippet Date: 05 Sep 01 - 08:59 AM I have joined Bald Eagle but I'm using an 'assumed' computer and oops I got the joke wrong soreee. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Ringer Date: 05 Sep 01 - 09:01 AM (...continued) I think the ritual bit from history has added a certain "Earth Magic" (I normally cringe at the phrase) je ne sais quoi to the activity. Modern practitioners can feel this, even if they can't analyse it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Green Man Date: 06 Sep 01 - 06:29 AM Bald Eagles quote 'I do it cos it makes me feel like a man', well I know a few 'Morris' dancers who are women. Some of them look like men, some drink like men and none of them felt like men when I was around.. Hmmmmm 15 Years with Wyre Fores.. a great side dying for lack of younger support. Morris is a tradition that is slowly being eroded by time. As for it's value it has provided me with friends, entertainment and a means to Show the goddess that we are still around.. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Trevor Date: 06 Sep 01 - 06:40 AM That last posting from Bald Eagle rings a bell with me (ho!ho!). Normally the mention of 'earth magicky' things turns me right off, but, I'll tell you, watching Shropshire Bedlam scares the sh.. out of me,and I'm never sure why. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: flaj Date: 06 Sep 01 - 01:09 PM If any of you types with a positive attitude towards the dancing live with in 30 miles of Wakefield and fancy having a go at North West style Morris (clogs on the feet and shortish sticks or slings in the hands), it's the time of year when we let a small number of new recruits join us at Wakefield Morris and teach them how to dance. When recruits have 4 dances under their belts we kit them out with clogs and all the gear and take them out dancing with us. We've danced all over England and taken parties abroad to Germany and Ireland. If you're interested in having a go, drop me an Email to Chris_walker6@hotmail.com, or add a thread on here. Flaj |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Whippet Date: 07 Sep 01 - 05:46 AM My god it's turned into a Morris Danced recruitment agency !!! Now I know we should institute compulsory castration. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Les/ Manchester uk Date: 07 Sep 01 - 02:39 PM Castration hey, mmmm. To respond to Bald Eagle, yes we can have both, social sort of Morris and er well a bit scarry. I think the difference is between the best drama and day time TV. The most exciting scarry Morris, a very rare event, is like the best drama and most Morris is like day time TV.
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Whippet Date: 10 Sep 01 - 04:48 AM So Les most Morris Dancers are the 'Richard & Judy' of the folk scene. I like it cos they're crap too !! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Skipjack K8 Date: 10 Sep 01 - 05:08 AM Dealing with flamers |