DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 May 22 - 11:40 PM

Hi, Susanne - how would a Wiki be superior to our Forum threads? We are updating and correcting the Digital Tradition in our Origins threads. Where would we get the software for a Wiki, and how would it be better?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: GUEST,Susanne (skw)
Date: 19 May 22 - 07:18 PM

I wish the DT could be transferred to a Wiki. It would make adding to and correcting so much easier, though I see the difficulties.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 May 22 - 11:09 PM

The most recent full update of the Digital Tradition was 2002, and we have not been able to develop a system for updating the DT that was agreeable to all parties involved. I have been developing "origins" and DTStudy threads on new songs and all songs in the DT that require research, discussion, or correction. If you have corrections, they are best posted in the "origins" threads.

• Origins index (for trad songs): https://mudcat.org/songorigins.cfm
  
• Musicians index (by songwriter name): https://mudcat.org/songorigins.cfm

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 14 May 22 - 08:26 PM

The lyrics I posted to The Orange and the Green in a more recent thread came from another website, but also have the Ulsterman, and Co Cork, which would be much more recognisable than Keady or Kelsey. The lyrics I use match Joe’s, and are also as sung by Paddy Reilly. There are a number of other lyrics websites that also use Ulsterman and County Cork.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Felipa
Date: 14 May 22 - 05:41 PM

The Orange and the Green https://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=4523 is lacking attribution to Anthony Murphy for the words.

I think the transcription given by Joe Offer in the discussion thread https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=80905 is better than that given in the DT/
Surely "Oh, my father was an Ulster man" (or even My father was an Englishman") for the first words fit the rest of the verse better than "Once there was an Irishman". As Tony Murphy was a Merseyside resident, perhaps he did write "My mother was a Catholic, from Kelsey town came she" I don't know; I would suggest "from Keady town came she", and Joe Offer wrote "from County Cork came she," as he heard that in recordings. A mother from Keady (in N Ireland) goes well with with the father and Englishman, while Cork goes better as a contrast with the father an Ulsterman. Does anyone know what Tony Murphy actually wrote, or if he perhaps had more than one version? In any case, he does deserve credit as author of the lyrics.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Felipa
Date: 09 May 22 - 02:45 PM

Susan, I was thinking this discussion thread could be used as a repository of attribution and minor corrections; even though the DT is not changed, people could check here for information.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Susan of DT
Date: 09 May 22 - 02:37 PM

It has not been possible to correct the DT for many, many years.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Felipa
Date: 08 May 22 - 10:52 PM

GRACE the lyrics are in the Digital Tradition
https://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=2379 but the DT is lacking attribution to authors Frank and Seán Ó Meara

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 19 Jul 20 - 07:06 AM

Some small corrections to Do You Think That I Do Not Know

1st stanza, line 7 "haunting" should be "halting"

2nd stanza, line 6 "dancer" should be "dancers" (and there shouldn't be an apostrophe after "row")

3rd stanza, line 3 "quavering" should be "quivering"

5th stanza, line 2 "scene was" should be "scenes were"; line 6 "She'll" should be "Shall"

My source is Poetical Works of Henry Lawson. There are a couple of other differences that are too small to mention.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Jun 18 - 01:18 AM

Please note that the songwriter name for Dancing at Whitsun is mixed up. The songwriter is Austin John Marshall. Filename [ DNCWHIT

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Nov 17 - 05:18 PM

Note "The Buckskin Bag of Gold" [filename[ BUCKBAG] corrections are in this message: https://mudcat.org/detail.cfm?messages__Message_ID=3886453. There's a rest missing in the melody at the end of each verse, and there are three words to be corrected.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Jul 17 - 02:22 AM

"No More, My Lord" appears in three near-identical iterations in the Digital Tradition:

• filename[ NOMYLORD
• filename[ MOMORLRD
• filename[ NOMOLORD

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Susan of DT
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 06:09 AM

We have had no way to make corrections for a while, so I hav enot been watching this thread. Max is working on it.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Jan 17 - 02:35 AM

"My Dame Had a Lame Tame Crane" appears twice:

Lame Tame Crane - filename[ LAMETAME

My Dame Had a Lame Tame Crane (round) - filename[ LAMECRN

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 01:38 AM

Re Joe's note on my 11 jun 15 post, 2 above:-

Had never heard before that Debby McClatchy had introduced a topless element into folk performances.

Goody for her!

≈M≈

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Yup. Her mom used to make her costumes, such as they were...
-Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 03:03 PM

Coventry Carol, filename[ COVCAROL - first line of the fourth verse is Then woe is me, poor child for thee

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Jun 15 - 12:08 PM

Please see my post on the 'Funny Songs With Colours In Titles' thread, re errors in DT notes on The Brown & Yellow Ale -- mistakenly given under title, from an error of hearing by an American singer once, as Brown & Yellow Earl [sic].

This error should be emended.

≈M≈

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I think you are correct, Mike. We have two songs:

• The Brown and the Yellow Ale
• The Brown and Yellow Earl - which is the version by my neighbor and former boss, former topless folksinger Debby McClatchy. Apparently, she has acknowledged the error in recent years. We probably should add explanation or drop Debby's version.

See this thread

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Feb 15 - 03:04 AM

Our lyrics for Cindy Kallet's "Wings to Fly" are way off. See correction here: /detail.cfm?messages__Message_ID=3690373
filename[ WINGSFLY

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Several corrections to the lyrics of The Jeannie C. (Stan Rogers) here (click).
filename[ JEANNIEC

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OFF TO THE SUGARBUSH AGAIN (Bill Cameron & Gary Glover)
appears twice:

filename[ SUGRBUSH - http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=10223

filename[ SUGRBUSH - http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=8577

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 01:53 AM

Three Ravens - filename[ THRERAVN
"Their lies a knight slain under his shield," in the second verse, really makes me cringe.

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Hey, Good Lookin' appears twice in the database:

• Filename[ GOODLOKN
• Filename[ HEYGDLKN

Both are good transcriptions, but I think [ HEYGDLKN is slightly better. at (*tooken), I'd add [took in??]

Note in this thread, there are similar lyrics to a Cole Porter song of the same title. Different melody, though.

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LADY ALL SKIN AND BONES - filename[ SKINBONE - appears twice in the online database, but with the same filename. The lyrics seem identical, but one entry has a tune file connected to it.
http://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=8819
http://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=10191

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Night Rider's Lament, filename[ WHYRIDE - lyrics we have are truncated and make no sense. Correct lyrics are in this message.

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San Antonio Rose, filename[ SANANTON - our text twice mentions a "moonlit pass" - that's a "moonlit path" - the Alamo is on flatland, no passes nearby - verified with Bob Wills recording.

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Lani Herrmannn says her Pickle Carol filename[ PICKCARL - is actually titled "The Pickle Tree Carol," and she thanks you for getting the lyrics mostly right.

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The Red Flag filename[ REDFLAG - songwriter is Jim Connell

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 03:38 PM

Death Comes Easy- See "Index of Harvey Andrews' Songs" which will verify that he is the composer.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: OldPossum
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 02:08 PM

Death Come Easy, filename[ DEATHEZ, was written by Harvey Andrews.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: GUEST,Joe, at the Women's Center
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 06:33 PM

I'm here every day, but a little bit less because I've been part of the jury on a three-week trial.

I'll clean this thread up sometime this week, so the information will be ready for Susan of DT to harvest for the next edition of the Digital Tradition (we haven't had a new edition for a couple years or more).

This thread is NOT for discussion - it is for brief, factual submissions of changes to the Digital Tradition. Discussion and all that other stuff should be in the thread on the song. When stuff is posted here, it should contain only the changes, plus a link back to the discussion thread for documentation.

Don't post something here if you can't document it.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 04:41 PM

The Clifton tune is nothing like the Folk Scene tune. Is the midi not available on the Harry Clifton thread? I thought Artful did all the midis.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 02:53 PM

Talk to Joe when he gets back.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 01:35 PM

I might if I were a bit younger, Q. But your remark about it not happening 'in my lifetime' was not so much of a hyperbole, as I am now 82; so I just don't have that much energy any more. Still; I take your point.   

Even so: seriously; if an attribution is posted here that is missing from the DT entry, or a single error drawn to attention, would it be so onerous to emend that one page? I ask, genuinely, for information; without checking every single DT entry from cold, surely a page can be opened and emended as a fairly brief task. How long can it take to do one? Can't be that difficult of access, surely?

≈M≈

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 01:07 PM

MGM Lion, do you want to volunteer to do it?

A thankless job that takes large chunks of time (corrections must be checked for accuracy, etc.).
I wouldn't want to do it, and I don't think you will do it, either.

Many of the songs in the DT were taken from threads and are versions from various singers selected by the poster.

I don't believe that "definiteness" was considered; that would require researching each one.

I raised the question a while back, but I have since realized the magnitude of the problem.
I don't like some of the DT entries either.
Just make sure that your version of the one true lyric is in a thread.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 12:41 PM

I should have thought DT should be definitive, insofar as such a thing is possible; and that this thread exists to ensure this to be the case.

Oh, well...

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 12:19 PM

Joe is on vacation, I believe; he handles this thread.

He asked me to post corrections of this kind in the thread on the song.
See thread "Rambling Soldier," thread 108324, where a text for "Rambling Soldier" is posted.

DT corrections of the sort you ask for probably won't appear in your lifetime.

Rambling Soldier

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 10:14 AM

...nor to Rambling Soldier, which is actually about a sailor.

Should not those ic DT check this thread from time to time?

~M~

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 10:12 AM

Out of interest, how often is this thread checked, & necessary corrections carried out in DT? It is now about a month since I posted the name of the writer of Garden Where The Praties Grow, but no emendation appears to have been made on DT.

≈M≈

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 09:52 AM

To what tune did he sing it, Steve? SFAIK, the tune on that Halliard/John Raven record is Dave Moran's own, like most of the songs The Halliard sang their broadsides to; one exception being "Going For A Soldier, Jenny", composed & sung by Nic Jones (or, as credited on that one early disc, Nick Jones!).

≈M≈

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 09:35 AM

Calico Printer's Clerk
While we're on we might as well put in the correct attribution which is already on several threads particularly those on Harry Clifton. He wrote the words and sang it c1863. The Glasgow Poet's Box printed it in 1865. The music is ascribed to Charles Coote Jr. It was published by Hopwood & Crew, serial H&C 732.

I wouldn't describe it as either Music Hall or broadside ballad. It's a concert or drawing room piece. Clifton strictly speaking wasn't Music Hall although he was just as big as the swells and Lion Comiques. He plied his trade around the country in the more upmarket theatres usually arranged by himself.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 01:57 PM

Calico Printer's Clerk [sic]. Attribution to Mike Raven of The Halliard should read "Dave Moran of The Halliard". (Although he had solo tracks on same disc, John Raven was not a member of The Halliard, who were Dave Moran, Nigel Paterson and Nic Jones.)

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 07:15 AM

"The Garden Where The Praties Go" should be attributed to Johnny Patterson -- check him on Wikipedia.

~M~

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 02:39 PM

Why does the DT call the song which identifies itself in the first line as about a sailor, "The Rambling Soldier"? ~~

RAMBLING SOLDIER/TRIM-RIGGED DOXY
I am a sailor brisk and bold...

Shome mishtake shurely?

~M~

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 12:48 PM

I know I've asked before, but can we please get the correct version of Caledonia by Dougie Maclean? (In the DT as Caledonia 2) I saw him live on Saturday night, and this is what he sang (taken straight from his own website, so must be right - will someone please believe me now - NO coattails!!)

http://www.dougiemaclean.com/index.php/c/29-caledonia

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 12:32 PM

Per this thread, Marching song/Cadence Count (see especially recent posts), SOUND OFF (CADENCE COUNT) (DUCKWORTH CHANT) attribution is incorrect.

It says,

In WWII, black troops were, apparently, given more freedom
of self-expression than were white troops. Fancy drill
teams, particularly from Fort Duckworth, Alabama, toured and
popularized jazzier cadence counts. There was a pop record
in the early 50s that wound up on the hit parade. RG

See this page at the Missouri Folklore Society:

The modern cadence call was born in the spring of 1944 at Fort Slocum, New York's Provisional Training Center. Colonel Bernard Lentz, the fort's commander at the time, published a well-established account of the event:

…as a company … was returning from a long tedious march through swamps and rough country, a chant broke the stillness of the night. Upon investigation, it was found that a Negro soldier by the name of Willie Duckworth, on detached service with the Provisional Training Center, was chanting to build up the spirits of his comrades.

            It was not long before the infectious rhythm was spreading throughout the ranks. Footweary soldiers started to pick up their step in cadence with the growing chorus of hearty male voices. Instead of a down trodden, fatigued company, here marched 200 soldiers with heads up, a spring to their step, and smiles on their faces. This transformation occurred with the beginning of the Duckworth Chant.

            Upon returning to Fort Slocum, Pvt. Duckworth, with the aid of Provisional Training Center instructors, composed a series of verses and choruses to be used with the marching cadence. After that eventful evening the Duckworth Chant was made a part of the drill at Fort Slocum as it proved to be not only a tremendous morale factor while marching, but also coordinated the movements of close order drill with troop precision. (Lentz 70).

This account is included in its entirety because Bernard Lentz is the man who standardized the use of cadence calls in the military. It is an account of the birth of the modern cadence call, written by the man who would ensure its proliferation, and therefore very special to connoisseurs of this particular military folklore. It's the beginning of a very lively and diverse oral art form, different from marching songs and drill for many reasons. The original Duckworth Chant, as presented in Lentz's book, is included in the appendix.

            Lentz didn't stop at making cadence calls standard at Ft. Slocum. He was loud enough about the new tool that "the Duckworth Chant was ordered to be recorded and distributed to the Armed Forces" by the "War Department (now the Department of Defense)" (Johnson 1: 21). Lentz guaranteed the continuation of cadence calls throughout the military for years to come by recognizing the value of this motivational tool.

The chant is copyright Lentz & Duckworth.

~ Becky in Long Beach

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Apr 14 - 12:30 AM

"Dooley," recorded by the Dillards, is unattributed, has mondegreens, and appears twice in the Digital Tradition:
filename[ DOOLEY
filename[ OLDOOLWY

This thread has the whole story, but there are corrected lyrics from Stewie:

DOOLEY
(Rodney Dillard/Mitch Jayne)

Now Dooley was a good old man, he lived below the mill
Dooley had two daughters and a forty-gallon still
One girl watched the boiler, the other watched the spout
Mama corked the bottles when ol' Dooley fetched them out

CHORUS
Dooley, slippin' up the holler
Dooley, tryin' to make a dollar
Dooley, gimme a swaller
And I'll pay you back some day

Now Dooley was a trader when into town he'd come
Sugar by the bushel and molasses by the drum
The revenuers came for him, slippin' through the woods
Dooley kept behind them all and never lost his goods

CHORUS

Now I remember very well the day old Dooley died
The women folk looked sorry and the men stood around and cried
Now Dooley's on the mountain, he lies there all alone
They put a jug beside him and a barrel for a stone

CHORUS [last line repeated]

The lyrics above are from the original Dillards recording of the song. Later recordings switched the couplets in the second verse:

The revenuers came for him, slippin' through the woods
Dooley kept behind them all and never lost his goods
Now Dooley was a trader when into town he'd come
Sugar by the bushel and molasses by the drum
(as performed by the Dillards on the Andy Griffith Show)

@drink @outlaw
filename[ DOOLEY
BJS

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Mar 14 - 03:12 AM

Johnson's Motor Gar bus be a misspelled song title, dontchathink?
filename[ JHNMTR

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jan 14 - 12:11 PM

"THE SPINNING WHEEL," DT, with the chorus "Merrily, cheerily, noiselessly whirring" - lyrics by John Francis Waller (1809-1894), using the pseudonym Jonathan Freke Slingsby.

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Please see original lyrics posted by Jim Dixon in this thread (click).
-Joe-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Jan 14 - 02:01 PM

"Save Your Money While You're Young;" DT version should be credited to Jim Doherty; In Fowke, 1970, "Lumbering Songs from the Northern Woods," pp. 206-207. with musical score.

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I question this, Q. It's clear that a printed version came from the singing of Jim Doherty, but not that Doherty was the songwriter. When posting information, be careful to distinguish whether you're attributing to a source or to a songwriter.
Thanks.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 04:02 PM

I posted corrections to typographical errors in "Didn't I Dance" in this message. Filename [ DDNTDANC

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Oct 13 - 02:30 PM

Billy Carter (b. 1834) was a banjoist and blackface performer in minstrel and vaudeville shows. I can find nothing on his songs or routines. His scrapbook is held by Middle Tennessee University.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Oct 13 - 07:52 PM

Bob Coltman says that Kissing Song - filename[ KISSNG
is improperly credited to song collector Jean Thomas. The songwriter is Billy Carter, 1882. Perhaps this note could be added at the bottom of the lyrics:

This song was frequently sung by "Blind Bill" Day, who was discovered by song collector Jean Thomas. Bob Coltman recently discovered that the song can be credited properly as a vaudeville or stage song, words and music by Billy Carter, 1882.

Full discussion in this message (click)

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Oct 13 - 07:38 PM

Bob Coltman gave me a couple corrections for his "Lonesome Robin," filename[ LONEROBN
Full discussion is in this message

(here is a corrected Digital Tradition version)

LONESOME ROBIN
(Bob Coltman)

Rise up on your bed of straw,
And see if you can't bend back your bow one last time;
You're sick with your wounds and you think you don't care,
But you know it'll prey on your mind.
And wherever your arrow falls to the ground,
We'll lay lonesome Robin down, one last time.
    No more Robin, no more, your outlaw days are over.

Funny how hot is the sun,
Now that you can't run away to the shade;
And you can't help thinkin' of the deer you have run,
And of all the games you have played;
And wonderin' what Marian found to do,
That's better than comin' to see you, one last time.
    No more Robin, no more, your outlaw days are over.

When you were a little boy,
You had to go to bed early while the sun still shone;
'Twas just like sleep was the end of the world,
And tomorrow would never come.
Now lonesome Robin can't you just close your eyes,
And pretend that the sun will still rise one last time.
    No more Robin, no more, your outlaw days are over.

Now time has took your time away,
Time and contraptions have whittled you down;
And all the times that you ever have had
Have took to their heels and gone.
Hold on to whatever is closest to you,
It's all lonesome Robin can do, one last time.
    No more Robin, no more, your outlaw days are over.



note: death of Robin Hood
@death @outlaw
Recorded by Bob Coltman
Copyright Bob Coltman
filename[ LONEROBN
SOF

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Stevebury
Date: 24 Sep 13 - 02:15 PM

I'm working up the song "Schooner E. A. Horton," based principally on the version in Flanders and Olney, Ballads Migrant in New England. So I've noted a couple of corrections to the version in the Digital Tradition.

* The song is incorrectly attributed as "Collected from Charles Cooke of Ripton VT in 1941." That description, which appears after the song, actually refers to the succeeding song in the book. The correct attribution should be "collected from Mr. Albert Howard in Orford NH (formerly of Blue Hill ME), 1942" .

* midi, melody line 6 (of 8): the last note should be c-natural not c-sharp

[Note: You've correctly transcribed the low B in lines 2, 4, 5 and 8; but I am convinced that they are incorrect as published in "Ballads Migrant ...". A C instead of B would be consistent with the tune in Warner for 'Heenan and Sayers'. There are other acknowleged errors in the music transcriptions in "Ballads Migrant ...".]

* verse 1, line 6: "stolen" should be "stole"

* verse 6, line 2 "treatie" should be "treaty"

[Note: I would add '[sic]' after "sixty-one" at the end of verse 2, line 1; the correct date is 1871.   I would also add '[sic]' after the first "Yankee" in verse 3 line 4; this clearly should be "Britishers", and so appears in "Minstrelsy of Maine.]

Stevebury

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 May 13 - 04:55 AM

"The Fiddler," filename FIDDLER, is unattributed in the DT. We've determined the songwriter is Charlie Moore. There are numerous errors in the lyrics in the DT, so there's a corrected transcription in this message (click).

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Larry Kaplan sent corrected lyrics for his "Get Her Into Shore" filename[ SHORINTO
Corrected lyrics here (click)

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The Cloakmakers' Union, filename[ CLOAKMKR, has its title spelled wrong.

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There's a line missing and a couple of wrong words in "The King of Ballyhooley", filename[ BLLYHOOL
You'll find corrected lyrics in this message.

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"This Ol' Riverboat" appears in the Digital Tradition twice, each time with only half the lyrics. The song was written by Randy Sparks. filename[ STMBOAT. Complete lyrics are in this post (click).

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: thnidu
Date: 20 May 13 - 09:37 AM

0.7742 - WE SHALL NOT BE MOVED
http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=7647

attributes authorship of the spiritual to V. O. Fossett. But as the first poster in thread http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=76413,
"GUEST,[e-mail]", points out,

"Since he wrote in the 1950's-70's and this tune predates the union change to "We" in the 1930's could he be the arranger?"

-- Mark Mandel

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Oct 12 - 03:46 AM

There seem to be two entries for "The Minstrel," by Graham and Eileen Pratt. Both have the filename[ MINSTRL - but only one entry has a tune file.
The songs are:
http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=9947
http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=8701

Now, this may be a Mudcat glitch and not the fault of the Digital Tradition, but I thought you should know about it.

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"In Old Pod-Auger Times," filename[ PODAUGER
Third verse, second line, should be: And struggle with bad cigars,

Also, there's an extra space in the word "I'll" in the first line of the first verse.

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Photographer's Ballad, filename[ PHOTOBLD, by Grit Laskin is actually titled "The Photographers." The lyrics in the DT are a bit off - I posted corrected lyrics in this message (click).
"The Sheffield Grinder," filename[ SHEFGRDR - appears twice in the database. One has a tune and the other does not, but the lyrics appear to be identical. #10177 and 8323.

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Our DT version of Do You Hear What I Hear?, filename[ DOTOUHER, is a mess. I posted corrected lyrics with proper attribution here (click).

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Tattie Bogle wants you to remember to correct the "coattails flying" line in Dougie MacLean's Caledonia

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See this thread, in which Martin Graebe complains (rightly) that his song "Jack in the Green" has been bowdlerized in the Digital Tradition. We have two versions in the DT that are essentially the same, except that filename[ JACKGREE has a verse missing. Why not delete filename[ JACKGREE and leave the other version, filename[ JACKGRE2. The second version comes from Graebe's Website, so it's likely to be the definitive version.

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Tom Lehrer's LOBACHEVSKY filename[ LOBACHEV is missing a line. See this thread (click) for the correction.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 10:04 PM

"Housewife's Lament" - filename[ HSEWFLAM


We determined in thread 129897 that the original poem was written by Eliza Sproat Turner (1826-1903), published in Arthur's Lady's Home Magazine, Volume 37 (Philadelphia: T. S. Arthur & Sons, April, 1871), page 241. The original title of the poem was "The Housekeeper's Tragedy."

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There are a few corrections for the lyrics of Cyril Tawney's "Five Foot Flirt" in this message (click).
filename[ FLIRT5FT

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In America the Beautiful, filename[ AMBEAUT1
the songwriter is twice referred to as Kathering Lee Bates.

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Alan Bell's Windmills (plural) is incorrectly identified as a singular "Windmill," filename filename[ WNDMILL. The DT transcription has several minor errors and mondegreens. A fully corrected text can be found in this message

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A couple of typos in the text of "The Death of Emma Hartsell," filename[ HARTSELL:

• last line of third verse: Her throat was cut frorn ear to ear. - "from"
• last line of fourth verse: Tl@e howling mob could scarcely pass - first word is "The."
  
• first line of tenth verse: As they stood on death'ss cold brink - "death's

-Joe-