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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 07:46 PM

Just re-reading this thread from 2003. The Chantey Sing is going strong, with around 150-250 participants monthly.They are now held aboard the 1890 ferry EUREKA, Hyde Street Pier, as they outgrew the capacity of the BALCLUTHA. Next sing is Saturday, November 4, 8pm-11pm. free admission, but reservations requested. If you'd like an introductory guide to the park's Chantey Sing emailed to you (it's a Word file, just send me a private message and please include your email address, and I'll get it to you. hope to see Mudcatters there!

-Chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 23 Mar 03 - 02:46 AM

A talented, hard worker like radriano is deemed "surplus." Like kat said - "idjits!"


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Mar 03 - 12:07 AM

radriano, good luck and keep singing...poo on the state of California...idjits!

katstilllistening&lovingyourmusic


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: Dave Swan
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 11:03 PM

Thanks to Gargoyle for the cut and paste of the article.

The chantey sing really is a treat, the best kind of gathering of folks to sing. As has been mentioned it's not an audience/performer gathering, but people who come TOGETHER for the music. We're always happy when we can get there.

I was particularly pleased to see Robin and Art Mc Clish mentioned. While they don't lead songs, they are sure and steady leaders in the world of people who make events like this happen. If there are chairs being arranged, items being sold, or emergencies being extinguished, it's Art and Robin at the fore. They're the best.

Chanteyranger, of course, is the guy in the really cool hat who is the musical engine which pulls this monthly train. We're all in his debt.

D


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: GUEST,Melani
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 07:04 PM

I personally consider you necessary cargo, radriano, not surplus.


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: radriano
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 11:39 AM

Stroke me some more, Chanteyranger, it feels SO good.

I may lose my job with the California Geological Survey. I've been designated surplus by the State of Calfornia and I need all the ego stroking I can get right now.


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: GUEST,Dustin Laurence
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 01:37 AM

Chanteyranger,

No, you have the right name, they are Alan Rice and Joan Sharp. I don't know if they still do it, but I know they used to travel up there every month to sing. I wish we'd made it up there to sing on Thayer more often--perhaps it will still happen. I still haven't sailed on Alma either. (Speaking of Thayer, I hear there is more money to give her more TLC--congratulations, and how extensive is the work envisioned?)

Details are at John Ward's Shanty Page. You can also always ask me directly (though my email is on the fritz right now). As I said, to keep it alive I really need to do a better job of advertising, so I'd be very happy if you folks up there know about us. SoCal seems to be a bit of a desert for shantying, but I'm trying--we even got the Pilgrim crew on stage at Dana Point this year, which was very well received.

Dustin


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: karen k
Date: 21 Mar 03 - 12:09 AM

Great article!! Wish I could make it sometime.


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 11:54 PM

Thanks much, Gargoyle, for posting the article! You're a better computer person than I, which isn't saying a whole lot :-).

Dustin, for some reason I had Alan's last name as "Rice," since it's the name in his email address. I think we are, though thinking of the same people, so I stand corrected
I will have to get to the San Pedro sings if I'm down that way when it's happening. Could you post details?

Congratulations are in order for Riggy and Radriano as well, who are regulars at the sings and help lead songs. They both bring some great, unusual material to the sings from their extensive song bags. Everyone who attends contributes something to give the sing its community-like feel.


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: Charley Noble
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 08:20 PM

If we ever get into the LA area, for God knows what reason, we'll certainly look up you San Pedro folks. Keep it going!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 07:47 PM

That is a wonderful write-up, Chanteyranger! Congratulations!!


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: Dustin Laurence
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 06:10 PM

SeanM,

How late we go is pretty much up to the mood of whoever is there. We've quit as early as 10:30 and as late as 1 AM. The Whale is pretty generous about not kicking us out until the lights are off.

You're more than welcome to come by. We started out a couple years ago with mainly local sailors, just because that's who we were and who liked to sing shanties. Attendance has been light lately, and I really should do a better job of publicizing it to draw in folkies who probably have never heard of it--I would like it to remain a permanent feature.

Dustin


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: SeanM
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 04:46 PM

Sadly, no - I only made it out for a few hours on Sunday.

Hopefully I'll be able to make it down to San Pedro soon. This is the first I've heard of it. Right by my old stomping grounds (LB), but now it involves a drive in from Chatsworth.

How late does the sing normally go?

M


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: Dustin Laurence
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 04:02 PM

SeanM,

Good to hear it. To be fair, a festival is quite a different beast than a regular sing, but it would have been nice to have the mention. The local San Pedro sing isn't big enough for me to be miffed at not being included.

Did you hear the Pilgrim crew on-stage after Tom on Saturday?

Dustin


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: Melani
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 03:31 PM

Hey, Joe--and everybody--try to make it for the Sea Music Festival May 3. (See Chanteyranger's thread on it)


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 02:11 PM

Thanks for posting that, Gargoyle. By the end of the evening, I had tried four times to register with latimes, but no cigar.

I've been to chantey sings in a number of places, but none compares to the monthly sing in San Francisco. Everybody knows the songs, and everybody sings - this is not a performance before an audience, since everybody joins in so heartily. I get there only about once a year because it's a hundred miles from me. Wish I could go every month.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: SeanM
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 01:39 PM

Dana Point got a decent write up in the Orange County version of the Times, as well as the Register (or so I seem to remember seeing).

Good event last time around - was wonderful seeing the ships, listening to the shanties... Tom Lewis was wonderful as always etc. etc. enough gushing...

M


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: GUEST,Dustin Laurence
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 12:26 PM

It's rather too bad that they didn't even mention the Dana Point festival right in their own backyard, which has shanties on stage all day for two days.

Dustin


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 03:03 AM

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-me-chantey17mar17004429,1,5242911.story


COLUMN ONE


Awash in a Sea of Chanteys



Those who left their hearts in an old schooner can summon visions of life at sea at sing-alongs along Fisherman's Wharf.


By John M. Glionna


Times Staff Writer



March 17, 2003
>

SAN FRANCISCO --



Now if ye ever go to 'Frisco town

Chorus: Whiskey Johnny!

Mind ye steer clear o' Shanghai Brown

Chorus: Whiskey for me Johnny!

He'll dope yer whiskey night an' morn

An' then shanghai ye round Cape Horn

-- from the 1850s sea chantey "Whiskey Johnny"

*

For almost any longtime resident, the song that truly captures hometown sentiment here is Tony Bennett's anthem about a guy who left his heart in this idyllic place of moody fog and impossible hills.

But for a few, the real heart of the city by the bay beats in a much less expected place -- below the listing deck of a worn, old lumber schooner, the C.A. Thayer.

Martini drinking sophisticates need not enter here. Instead, perched atop worn wooden planks within the bowels of the three-masted vessel are grizzled wharf-front characters, bearded musicians, Midwestern tourists and San Franciscans with roots dating to Gold Rush days. On a recent Saturday night along Fisherman's Wharf, this huddled crew launches into another four-hour jam session. Sea chantey style.

The rhythmic 19th century call-and-response songs -- bygone work ditties and bawdy ballads, once part of a sailing ship's routine -- come flowing out of the Thayer once a month. Modern day singers belt out the tunes that mostly uneducated deckhands once sang -- longing for home, lamenting capricious sea captains and fearing the weather that tormented vessels rounding the fabled Cape Horn.

Some might not see the charms of descending into the dank hollows of a decrepit ship to sing outdated songs. But for the converted, the chantey (pronounced SHAN-tee) sings are a chance to escape into an epoch of saucy bordello madams, arctic-bound whalers and countless other seafaring fortune seekers.

"For a few hours, people can step inside the psyche of an 1850s mariner and sing songs that speak of what remain universal experiences and emotions," said Kathy Daskal, a ranger at the San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park, which runs the program aboard the Thayer and another period ship at the Hyde Street Pier. "These songs have the power to transport people to another place and time."

In U.S. and many European ports, chantey singing survives and even flourishes. Experts say there's scarcely an American harbor town that doesn't in some small way celebrate the music's charm and social history -- from sing-alongs in Seattle and San Diego to annual sea music festivals in Connecticut and New Hampshire. Day-sailing schooners hire chantey men to sing traditional songs and entertain the public. Connecticut's Mystic Seaport Museum even features four resident chantey singers who give on-ship performances.

Social historians say chanteys celebrate the social traditions and work ethic and self-determination of sailors -- hardened frontier men, often with an unhealthy thirst for whiskey, who used music to help ease their way through a life of loneliness and backbreaking labor.

"And the songs are simple once you know the chorus," said Stuart Frank, director of the Kendall Institute at the New Bedford, Mass., Whaling Museum. "You get a few beers in you, they're fun to sing."

In few places is the appetite for chantey music more voracious than in San Francisco, a city rich with seafaring lore. There are several chantey CDs produced by local aficionados. And Disney recently bought the rights to a chantey written by a former local sea captain for the upcoming film "Pirates of the Caribbean." In May, chantey organizers will renew a sea music festival on the Hyde Street Pier that started a quarter of a century ago.

Launched in 1981, San Francisco's free chantey sing-along is the nation's oldest continuously running series of its kind. The mailing list of enthusiasts includes musician Mortecai benHerschel, a former sailor and kazoo salesman who still "loves the smell of salt air and the swells of the open ocean." There's Peter Kasin, a part-time musician and former mailroom clerk who became a national park ranger, in part, because of his love for chantey music.

And there's computer worker Robin McClish. "The sense of camaraderie in these songs is so charming," she said. "I haven't missed a sing-along in seven years, unless you count the time my brother died."

Added her husband, Art: "There are two places a man with a voice like mine can sing without shame. One of them is in church. The other is at the chantey sing."

From the 1840s to the 1860s, a quixotic era considered the heyday of American sea-chantey music, San Francisco was a crossroads for sailors, prospectors and adventurers who ventured along the Pacific Rim. The minor port town grew from 700 to tens of thousands within a few years.

"San Francisco has no reason for being other than as a port," said Stephen Canright, curator of history at the National Park Service's maritime museum. "The weather is lousy. There's no decent land connection. Shipping defined the local economy."

Starting in 1849, thousands arrived to try their luck mining for gold in the frigid streams of the High Sierra. Countless others crewed the bulky ships that sailed out of town loaded with Central Valley grain, bound for Asian trading ports.

The city was also a hub for whaling ships and 500 sailing schooners -- like the 219-foot C.A. Thayer -- that carried lumber to San Francisco from ports to the north.

So many masts crowded San Francisco harbor that repairs became difficult to obtain. By 1860, 700 ships were abandoned and sunk. Others were transformed into warehouses, jails and run-aground brothels.

Like "Whiskey Johnny," chanteys warned sailors to steer clear of notorious San Francisco saloon owners called "crimps," who kidnapped men to crew outgoing ships. They describe the joys and curses of women and whiskey and dreams of Gold Rush riches. One ditty warns of the arrival of two particularly unwashed characters: "Somebody's knocking at the Golden Gate," begin the lyrics. "It's Dirty Dick and his dirty mate."

Experts trace the chantey's origins to slave songs, adopted by Yankee sailors at Southern cotton-loading ports. A chantey man would sing verses to such songs as "Bully in the Alley," "Girls of Dublin Town," "Rambling Sailor" and "Row Bullies Row." The crew would respond with the chorus. The songs supplied a rough-hewn rhythm for such arduous tasks as hauling lines, weighing anchor and raising sails, with the chantey man's verses giving the crew a few seconds of rest between hoists.

For Dave Nettel, who started the San Francisco chantey program, the songs provide a comforting throwback to a sepia-toned era of sturdy canvas sails and well-swabbed decks.

The former park service education director, now a psychologist, was leading an impromptu demonstration of a chantey on Labor Day weekend in 1981 when an audience member asked if he would have to wait until next Labor Day to hear such music.

"I didn't see why we should," Nettel recalled. So they staged another event the next month. Since then, the sing-alongs have been held aboard the 1895-era Thayer and the Balclutha--a historic Cape Horn grain ship built in Glasgow, Scotland, in 1886.

Seafarers handed down the songs from one generation to the next, preserving hundreds of chanteys in memory until they were finally published in recent years in bound anthologies. Hundreds more have been lost.

"Most have survived for 150 years without the benefit of sheet music," Nettel said. "To me, they're timeless. How many of today's pop songs would survive even 10 years without being recorded?"

Not everyone, of course, has an ear for the songs.

"People think I'm nuts to have a hobby like this," said Ted Miles, the maritime museum's assistant curator. "My wife calls it a perfect waste of a Saturday night."

Oh, the mate likes whiskey an' the skipper likes rum,

The sailors like both but we can't git none.

If whiskey was a river and I could swim,

I'd say here goes an' I'd dive right in.

Below the Thayer's listing wooden deck, old salts ready guitars, a mandolin, harmonicas and an accordion. Couples on cushions huddle under blankets, shivering from the chill that seeps through the old bleached hull. Somebody lights a fire in the potbellied stove and serves hot cider.

Then the singing starts. Violin under his chin, chantey host Kasin leads the first song before others take their turn: The woman who works locally as a fantasy pirate. The British tourist who sings "Leaving of Liverpool." One teenager belts out a throaty verse of "Barnacle Bill" and another "What Do You Do With the Drunken Sailor?"

Singers introduce most songs with the story of their origin. If the leaders forget the words, their confederates pass around a bound collection of chanteys like a Bible. On this night, 200 people show up. Some have traveled from as far as Bakersfield and San Pedro.

When the music starts, everyone joins in -- some in tune, but most not.

With his thick beard and barrel chest, Kasin personifies the 19th century sailor. He sets the rules: No smoking. No falling into the water.... Songs with X-rated lyrics come after 11 p.m. ("Awww," emotes a young voice in the crowd.)

Amateur sea historian Skip Henderson said the lyrics reflect the wildly eccentric characters who rode the seas. "There were people fleeing the law," he said, "disenfranchised doctors, lawyers, intellectuals, political outcasts; even some royalty."

Around midnight, the last of the singers creep up the Thayer's swaying plank, returning to the 9-to-5 world of dry land.

Oh, whiskey straight an' whiskey strong,

Gimme some whiskey an' I'll sing ye a song.

If whiskey comes too near me nose,

I tip it up an' down the hatch she goes.

The sing-alongs are free, but reservations are requested. Call (415) 556-6435.


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 02:01 AM

If somebody could copy-paste the article, that would be very nice. I tried to do it, but my registration application wouldn't take.
Since this is a music-related article, we like to have the whole enchilada posted.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: GUEST,Dustin Laurence
Date: 20 Mar 03 - 01:35 AM

We sailed with Alan and Joan Sharp a couple of weekends ago aboard Irving Johnson, and ought to see them again soon on board one of the boats. But will they know who Chanteyranger is? :-)

We may have met. We made it up to the SF sing once, during the Moby Dick 150th anniversary event. I guess you were probably the fellow in charge. You won't remember, there were so many people there I only sung one song, but we had fun.

Dustin


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 10:20 PM

Yes it is, and say hello to Alan Rice and his lovely wife (who's lovely name I can't remember just now).


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: GUEST,Dustin Laurence
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 12:18 PM

Hmm, is this a good time to mention that we have been singing in
the LA area at the Whale & Ale in San Pedro for a couple of years
now? Last Friday of every month at (roughly) 8 PM in the upstairs
room.

http://www.jsward.com/shanty

Dustin


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 19 Mar 03 - 10:00 AM

Barry, hope to see you out here again. I hope to make it over to Mystic this year, and will surely see you there. Thank you for those good words.Gargoyle, come by the park anytime you're in the area. There is a Mudcat contingent at every chantey sing - Riggy, Radriano, Melani, sometimes P.J. and Dave Swan, Sourdough, Elise.

Best,
Chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 09:59 PM

I would like to drop in some time - I think we both can share.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 09:57 PM

Well done lad!!!

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: Barry Finn
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 07:43 PM

Congradulations Chanteyranger, it's nice to see you get recognized for your efforts on a job well done, VERY WELL DONE. Hopefully at some point in time I'll be able to drop in again. Barry


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: radriano
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 04:47 PM

I found it amusing that the reporter took the lyrics "Dirty Dick and his dirty mate" to mean that the characters were unwashed.


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 08:04 AM

Certainly one of the nicest headlines of the day. Let's all toss off a can of grog!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 18 Mar 03 - 04:29 AM

Thanks, SINSULL, for the link.


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: SINSULL
Date: 17 Mar 03 - 08:59 PM

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-chantey17mar17004429,1,3683738.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dcalifornia

Try it but you may be blocked if not a member. Membersip is free.


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: SINSULL
Date: 17 Mar 03 - 07:54 PM

I am trying to register on their website to download the article but the confirming email has not arrived. Anybody got a link to the article or a copy?

Congratulations Chanteyranger. Front page, no less!


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Subject: RE: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 17 Mar 03 - 07:39 PM

Congratulations, Peter!

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: L.A. Times article on S.F. chantey sing
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 17 Mar 03 - 07:25 PM

The Los Angeles Times has a front page article in today's edition (Monday, 17th) on the monthly chantey sings at San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park , a 21-year tradition (which yours truly has been hosting since '96). Check it out. Nice to see traditional music make the front page.

Chanteyranger


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