BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: GUEST,John
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 03:29 PM

I've been researching these topics for years. You'll find a lot of information on this topic on this website which encompasses both Freemasonry and the Illuminati, along with many related issues, the New World Order, etc:

http://www.theinsider.org/news

The website is slightly conspiratorial in tone, but nevertheless raises some valid questions.

Enjoy!

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 10:23 AM

More about the Illuminati in A Bavarian Illuminati Primer. The order was founded in Bavaria to promote in the age of illumination and shortly after forbidden by the autorities.
German speakers may do a google search with Illuminatenorden

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Nov 04 - 05:51 AM

Of corse, there is always the connection with the ancient Stonecutters

Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From:
Date: 15 Nov 04 - 09:50 PM

There is a cure for ignorance, if only the ignorant one wants to be cured. However, if there is a cure for arrogant analism, the afflicted one is hardly ever worth the effort. Nevertheless, and for any one still following this who is NOT an arrogant ass:
Knights of the period did not carry lances into battle; lances were a cavalry weapon of a later period. All were armed with swords. Beheading was not the usual result of battle with the type of sword carried by knights of that day; their swords were thrusting swords, not slicing swords (like the Japanese Katana). Any dismemberment was the result of hacking, and not the main intent of battle with these weapons (usually not worth the extra time in a pitched battle). The Knights Templar wore leather undergarments, sometimes in their later days with something like chain mail over them, covered by a white tunic with a red cross; they did not wear what most modern paople think of as "a suit of armor," which did not exist at the time. Many were footsoldiers and had never sat a horse.
You, "SIR," need to study your history more carefully. And, you need to learn not to give forth on that of which you know nothing, including persons whom you do not know.
I am a practiced horseman with many hundreds of hours on Quarter-horse, Thoroughbred, Paso Fino and American Saddlebred. You know nothing of the tools I possess, which include swords (as well as firearms), and you certainly know nothing of my possession of wit to use them, much less my experience in using them.
Get a life, Bud.

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: GUEST,nutty
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 09:14 PM

A Knight Templar wore a suit of Armour, carried a Lance and sat upon an horse's back. A Templar Sir, cut the heads off the Moors in the Papal war on Islam in the dark distant past.

It is now the year 2004 by their Calendar and the Crusades are long since over, gone, finished, and today almost forgotten.

A Mason who has no tools nor the wit to use them you may be, but a Templar you are not.

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From:
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 08:25 PM

Well, I've read a LOT of the foregoing and scanned the rest of it. Some of it is fairly accurate, some way off-base, and some so totally ludicrous as to be beyond deserving the dignity of any answer. Much as I would like to address some of the individuals, I will content myself with this: As a Master Mason (since 1971), 32nd deg. Scottish Rite Mason & Knight Templar (York Rite Mason), I must tell all of you that the only way you can discover what Masonry is really about is to become a Mason. If you believe it is Satanic, then, please, forget it. If you believe it is some sort of weird (harmless or otherwise) cult, forget it. If you believe it is a religion, go away. Yes, we do require an affirmed belief in deity. No, what name you give the deity is not important, but monotheism is. We have brethren who are protestant Christian (the majority in North America), Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist and who knows what else. We are charitable but not a charity, religious but not a religion. Some brethren believe we go back to 1700s England, some to earlier Scotland, and some believe we trace our roots to Solomon; there are those among us who believe we go back much further than that. If you really want to know some of the possibilities and learn about some connections you might never dream of, read Robert Lomas & Christopher Knight in this order: "The Hiram Key," "The Second Messiah," "Uriel's Machine" and "The Book of Hiram." All are available, last time I looked, at Amazon.com. They have other books, together & individually, but of the ones I have read to date, these are most important.
There are some disturbing characteristics of Masonry in Great Britain & North America, such as racial segregation, but most of them are dying out as modern, educated men come to the fraternity and bring enlightened ideals with them. e.g., in Texas, where we used to be lily white, we now have African-American brethren among us. Also, although our Grand Lodge has not yet come to it, there are "women's Masonic" organizations. They probably have (though I don't know) pretty much the same rituals, goals and ideals/moral lessons as "we" do.
In closing, let me say that, as I was in darkness before being brought to light, so shall I ever keep the outside world. Masonry is (or ought to be) all about seeking truth. If you wish to seek the truth about Masonry, seek it where it resides, not in ... Well, you get the idea.

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: greg stephens
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 05:46 AM

Mrs Casey's Music in England is a front for the Illuminati

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Wolfgang
Date: 30 Sep 04 - 04:56 AM

a version of the Protocols of Zion for people who like the idea of that kind of conspiracy, but don't fancy the anti-semitic angle. (McGrath)

I like that response. Short, with a bit of humour, but on target.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: AggieD
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 07:40 AM

As I am married to a Feemason & have many male & female! friends & relatives who belong to this society, I can assure you that the majority are ordinary people who use the society as a means for doing great good & raising a lot of money for charity.
Yes they do dress up in regalia, & have 'secret' ceremonies, but most of them take all this as acting out a play, or as they call it a ritual (something akin to mumming perhaps?).
There are of course unofficial 'Lodges' which have nothing to do with ordinary Freemasonry & would never be recognised by the mainstream.
Of course people with money & in powerful positions have always tried to rule the world, they are still out there today & anyone with any sort of theory can make what crap out of it they like. So long as there are hard working honest people in the world who are prepared to fight against them, both with pen & sword, then we should not fear them. This is why everyone should have the democratic right to elect their leaders, have the right to vote out those who they believe to be wrong & in some cases evil.

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 04:00 AM

I've read most of the books mentioned above, and find it all fascinating.

But then again, I love the idea of grown men with secret handshakes and silly swords and costumes.

Do I think they exist as a powerful and influential group? Why not?

My ex-husband and I, years ago, always used to blame the Masons for anything strange or weird that happened to us. We'd say in hushed tones...."The Maaaasooonsss", and then solemnly nod as if that explained it all.

..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 29 Sep 04 - 03:42 AM

Just a repeat of the informative website on the subject of the Illuminati/Masons.
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/   copy + paste into address bar.
Please take a good look at all on the site, if and when you have time.
Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 08:12 PM

All sounds a lot like a version of the Protocols of Zion for people who like the idea of that kind of conspiracy, but don't fancy the anti-semitic angle.

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: John Routledge
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 05:35 PM

Go to see Mozart's Magic Flute which is based on freemasonry and full of masonic references

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 28 Sep 04 - 05:26 PM

What is the illuminati? in terms a young child could understand

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Cllr
Date: 10 Sep 04 - 08:06 AM

Lanfranc Rotflmao. The masons paid for part of my schoolfees to go to a catholic private school after my father died when I was twelve.

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Lanfranc
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 06:47 PM

The Masons I know would more likely invoke Santa than Satan!

Could it be that the conspiracy theorists are simply dyslexic?

So mote it be!

Alan

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: M.Ted
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 03:20 PM

And so the eternal verities play out in miniature--and, carrying through with the Illuminism theme,is anyone participating in the Candlelight Vigils being held tomorrow night?

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 02:31 PM

And who has done that better than the Dumbya!?

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: M.Ted
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 02:28 PM

The ignorance/hate/fear business is an unfortunate fact of what we laughingly call civilization--leaders exploit ignorance to create fear and hatred, because they know that the fearful follow willingly, and the hateful can be induced into almost any sort of action--

What better way to create fear than to say, "There are people among you secretly conspiring against you!"

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 02:04 PM

Wow! Quick eye, JennyO! I just about missed it.

I've been wondering where Dreaded Guest has been all this time. Maybe s/he's been here all along. Same style. Same bucket of dingoes kidneys.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 01:26 PM

I am not a Mason, but my uncle was. He was a good man, honest in business and with his personal relations. We never talked about the Masons, however.

I remember a Mad Magazine short cartoon about joining a secret order. It showed a guy going through a secret ceremony, and at the last panel they're going to whisper the vital code of the order, which he must not breathe to any other person. The precious words are: "The Brotherhood Of All Men"!

I suspect the Masons fit in with this kind of secret more than any other.

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: freda underhill
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 12:48 PM

try reading Angels and Demons by Dan Brown. apart from being a good read, it is well researched and had some interesting info about the illuminati. whatever they did in the past, whoever they are, its clear they have a documented history and have been considered a threat by some major politicians and world leaders.

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: JennyO
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 12:40 PM

GUEST 6.16pm, is that you, Dreaded Guest?

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: kendall
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 12:37 PM

Ignorance breeds fear. Fear breed hate. One of my aunts, a protestant, insisted that Catholics worship idols.
As I was growing up there were countless stories about priests and nuns serving each other's human desires and flushing the results, or boarding them up between the walls.
Man. Gods most noble creation. Sure, we are a piss poor excuse for a dominent species.

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 12:32 PM

I'll recommend a great novel, by Umberto Eco, called Foucault's Pendulum. It involves the Masons and the claimed connection with the Knights Templar, and is full of esoteric and occult references. It is a fine novel, but not for everyone. I have to admit that it's sometimes hard reading. I certainly wouldn't set it up as an authoritative source for knowledge of either Masonic thought or the Knights Templar!

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: M.Ted
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 12:06 PM

A discussion of the Illuminati is the first step into the realms of the extremes of wacko thought, from backward masking to Hangar 51--for a nice rundown on the implications of the whole thing, check this:

Skeptic's Article on the Illuminati


The Illuminati were an 18th century secret organization that really did conspire to control political and economic events in Europe--they were founded by Simon Weishaupt, who based the organization on f the Jesuits, with some Masonry and a bit of the Assassins thrown in, as well-- their object was to overthrow monarchies and forward the cause of republicanism(not the GOP thing)--it is generally thought (at least by people with both feet planted in reality) that they were broken up after a number of their plots were exposed--

However, if you do a search on the internet, you will find that there are many who believe that they continued at the heart of every evil thing from Naziism to fluoridation--

The Masonic organizations first began to appear in the early eighteenth century as mystical fraternal organizations which met for the purpose of speculative discussion on philosophical and occult matters. There is a feeling that they, and other fraternal organizations evolved from the remnants of the many secret societies that came into existance during the Middle Ages as a result of the persecutions that were instituted by the Catholic Church against heretical groups--

There have been violent clashes between the Masons and Catholics, even up into relatively recent times--and their was Masonic involvement at high levels in revolutions, even into the 20th Century--

The Masons have what passes for a secret esoteric hierarchy of rituals and knowledge, but most of the "knowledge" is now available to for anyone who wants to see it, as are descriptions of the initiation rituals--In a lot of cases, you can even go and check out the inner depths of the temples, if you want--

All this to offset the accusations of Luciferianism and Satanism (which initially came from the Catholic Church, who routinely threw those accusations at anybody that stood up to them)--

So, do the Illuminati still exist? There certainly were secret societies carrying out their goals through the 19th and 20th centuries--as every one knows, or should know, the occult was at the root of Naziism--

Robert Anton Wilson says that he met with someone who claimed to be the only 33¡ Mason in the US, and that in their conversations, he alternated between hinting that he was the Grand Master of the Illuminati, and trying to figure out if Bob was the Grand Master of the Illuminati--

The Ismaili, who were the Hashish smoking followers of the Old Man of the Mountain, and were the original Assassins, still exist, complete with their hookahs and esoteric traditions--so why not a much later secret society?

All I know is, Everything You Know is Wrong!

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 10:23 AM

Which is, Mrrzy, just why R.A.W & R.S. introduced all those counter groups set up by the Illuminati who were working against them and each other without even knowing the existence of each other - if you want to know more, read the books!

:-)

Oh, and wrap your head in duct tape first - so it won't explode!

;-) cause it's certainly get ..........

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 10:13 AM

Definitely read the Illuminatus! Trilogy. I reread it this summer (I read it about every 10 years or so...) - Guaranteed to make you wonder.

My personal take is that if there were a grand conspiracy things would work a lot better than they do...

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 04:53 AM

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 12:47 AM

The "Illuminatus! Trilogy" by Robert Anton Wilson And Robert Shea

They were magazine editors, and were receiving heaps of letters about all sorts of conspiracy theories. One day, they looked at each other, and said, "We could _make up_ better stuff than this!" and the books were started on. What exactly they invented themselves, pinched from other "conspiracy theorists", and "borrowed" from real documented history, I do not know, but the really excellent books should be taken with a bagful of swimming pool salt, a good bottle of booze, and a comfortable chair! One day a movie - perhaps... if the Governments and organisations mentioned therein do not 'bury' the project... :-)

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Amos
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 11:50 PM

What a screaming crock of horse pucky.

A

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: GUEST,Allan S.
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 09:14 PM

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 07:08 PM

Gonna be purty hard to wrap them chains around MAH fat ass!

I'll hold the webcam Bill.....

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 07:06 PM

"The Luciferians worship Satan secretly within their
lodges and temples but advocate Humanism to the
common man in order to destroy the belief
in the One God, the Almighty Creator."

"Their ultimate aim is to establish a Luciferian
dictatorship over the world and enslave all
outside their lodges and temples"

well, well, well.... and does the One God, the Almigty Creator know about this? I assume he's gonna smite them nasty folks any moment. Will there be film at 11?

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 06:43 PM

For anyone who wishes to learn more..visit this site. Be prepared!
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com
Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 06:16 PM

Interesting, some of mudcat's most avowed "spirit-movers" are in this thread defending the damned.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/free11.html

The Luciferians worship Satan secretly within their
lodges and temples but advocate Humanism to the
common man in order to destroy the belief
in the One God, the Almighty Creator.

They support movements calling for Humanism,
Atheism, Materialism,

The list of their names is practically endless.

The most prominent of the groups are the
Freemasons or Masons and their various
off-shoots (Scottish Rite, York Rite, Shriners,
Eastern Star, etc.), the Knights Templars and
their various off-shoots (the DeMolays,
Skull and Bones, Knight of Jerusalem,
Knights of St. John, etc.), and various many
other orders, lodges, and temples.

Their ultimate aim is to establish a Luciferian
dictatorship over the world and enslave all
outside their lodges and temples.

They have also established political organizations
as fronts to achieve their aim of world conquest.
Some of these organizations include the Bilderberger
Group, the Council on Foreign Relations,
Trilateral Commission, and many others.

http://www.chemtrailpatrol.com/crp_Illuminati_menu.htm



You want to produce people who are chronically ill and become dependant on the state and totally sap the resources of the country. And then you can move in further with your military-medical-industrial complex, your international medical-pharmaceutical cartel.

One of the major players in world genocide, world population reduction. That's no mystery anymore. I mean, you even have some mainstream publishing companies, such as St. Martin's Press, writing the most horrific exposes of the Rockefeller family.

That's what's going on today. The Nazis planned for it, they even had a term for it - "neue Ordnung," which means New Order, New World Order. This today, this New World Order, is the rise of the Fourth Reich.

There's a capstone, a dedication stone in the main terminal building of the Denver Airport dedicated to the New World Airport Commission by the Freemasons. And there's a big mural - a huge, beautiful, colorful mural - that is dedicated to the extinct species. And in the foreground, against the horrific backdrop of flames and destruction, there are three open coffins.

In the left hand coffin is a beautiful black woman dressed in native African attire representing the Black people of the world. In the center is a beautiful Native North American woman representing the Indians. And in the right, there's a beautiful blond-haired, likely blue-eyed woman, lying on an American quilt, clenching a Star of David and a Bible with a cross to her chest, representing the Jews and the Christians. So those are the people that are, you know, the agenda is to take them out. And, in fact, the United States quilt is very significant because the depopulation agenda put forth by the Rockefellers and their friends is to reduce the United State's population by half, back to 1940's levels.


People who are scripturally-oriented understand that absolute power corrupts absolutely, so these people get very, very evil when they get to that highest level. Now, if you're at that highest level, and now you have control over the population and you have control over the money and the money flow and how it works, and you've ultimately created your goal and you've fulfilled your objective to have a One World Government and a One World Bank, a One World Peacekeeping Force - the U.N. - a One World Economy, One World Currency, virtually, One World Court.

There is an agenda you have to understand. It's very well articulated in The Report From Iron Mountain. And in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It's very well articulated.

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 05:59 PM

Somebody asked a difficult question at a meeting? Perhaps they wanted to know more about circles? All very secretive no doubt!

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 05:29 PM

As I understand it, Masons differ as Susan says from each other. The Masonic principles of Mozart may differ from your local small town lodge. I think it's like evaluating Christians, Muslims, Jews or any religious or non-religious organizations. Some Masons believe in God, some don't.

A secret order won't reveal it's principles to outsiders.

I don't think any one group represents the views of the Knight Templars.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 05:12 PM

"Which God"?   

I'm not a Mason, so don't take what I say as TOO authoritative, but I've understood that they are not specific on that. The roots of the organization had to do, in part, with a sort of ecumenical meeting of the minds of various religions, so that a Muslim, a protestant Christian, a deist, or even a Catholic ought to be able to belong and participate (although of course the Church would not approve).

A few years ago a Mason friend was trying to recruit me, and I attended (and performed as a magician for) a dinner at a local Masonic hall. Since I was a guest as well as a performer, I was seated at the "head table" with the officers. My friend came over and whispered to me that the chaplain was absent that evening, and would I do an invocation. This seemed pretty durn strange to me, because my friend knew as well as I did that I am an agnostic or atheist by turns, depending on the phase of the moon or something. He assured me that it was not a big thing, that I could improvise some general spiritual type thing and it would do.

Well, I did. As I recall, my little spiel (improvised on the spot) dealt with the nobility of aspiration, that people of good will of various traditions and convictions were striving to reach the highest things as might be seen from their respective standpoints, and that this was one of the most basic religious ties there could be between people of different beliefs, and that doctrinal differences paled in comparison. And I knew enough of their practices to end with, "And so mote it be," which is a sort of Masonic Amen.

Later I was told that my talk was better and more illuminating than they had ever heard from their chaplain, and that it really resonated with those present. I tell this NOT to brag about my speaking ability, which is not that great, but to illustrate the accepting nature of the Masonic tradition.

I did not in fact let myself be recruited, mainly because I've never really been a "joiner", an organizational type, and the ritualistic orientation that I saw in the portions of ritual I was allowed to see bored me to tears. That is purely my personal reaction, and should not be taken as a negative comment in a larger sense.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 02:54 PM

" There's a great work of fiction called The Illuminati Trilogy"

That'd be the "Illuminatus! Trilogy" by Robert Anton Wilson And Robert Shea... the book that Timothy Leary said was more important than either Ulysses or Finnegan's Wake... (I happen to agree with Tim...) I read it once every couple of years and it never ceases to amaze me!

The card game is from Steve Jackson Game and it's called Illuminati (Don't confuse it with their other game New World Order cause New World Order sucks!) Illuminati is a great bucket of fun with the right group of friends... the kind who can have fun stabbing each other in the back over a game! LIke playing Killer on the dart board...

But it's not that complicated!

Heh

(wow Peg... who'da thunk it eh? LOL)

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 01:09 PM

It depends on the group-- local groups can vary quite a bit in how deep they go into the secret traditions, and how secret they keep the secrets. :~) We've had some interesting discussions about it when a parishioner has died and the Lodge he'd belonged to wants to do a ritual within the funeral service. It also varies by level (degree), with some of the members knowing more than others. But in the action taken by a group, at least here, it's all about community building.

In our neck of the woods, some folks do that community building thing as masons, some as volunteer fire/ambulance companies, some at church, etc. But most folks who do it, do it in more than one organization. Even when the organizations say they are in contradiction to one another, people here don't worry about it-- living so close to the bone, they focus on the job at hand which is usually neighboring, and relationships.

That's one reason I find the internecine wars here at Mudcat so weird-- where we are, it just isn't DONE: people here remember that tomorrow they will need the neighbor's help to plant the crop or put out the chimney fire, or that they may be called on to give the help, the next.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Peg
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 01:01 PM

Modern witches get quite a few of their ritual phrases and forms from the Masons, because Gerald Gardner was a Mason...

There's a great work of fiction called The Illuminati Trilogy that's worth a look--the author's name is eluding me at the mment..Robert....

there is also a very cool and rather complicated game called Illuminati played with trading cards...

The Boston Masonic Temple is two dors down from my office on Boston Common. One night a buncha of guys in full Highland dress were standing on the corner smoking...I spoke with them, they were very nice.

I have a friend who was in a witch's coven and decided to join his local Masonic group to see if he could return it to his magical roots...he has been installed as their grand master or whatever but as far as I know they are still just modern Masons...

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 11:50 AM

Great site, Alan! I've foudna few others with good info, too, I think:

Reality Check

What Masons Believe

Masonic Service Association of North America

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: GUEST,Lanfranc at the orifice
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 11:37 AM

I am a Freemason, as were my father and grandfather. There is a lot of rubbish on the Internet about Masons and Masonry.

Here is a website that gives a factual description of English Masonry and links for further research - Internet Lodge

The Internet Lodge is an interesting concept, and their Master was my guest at the ceremony when I was installed as Master of my Lodge.

Alan

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 11:12 AM

You might also want to read this thread, Dewey: Mason's Clubs etc.

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: rich-joy
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 05:04 AM

Well, there's some info on this website about the Illuminati and Globalisation and their New World Order ...

http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/the_holographic_prison.htm

: not everybody's idea of a good read!!

Cheers! R-J

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Dewey
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 01:30 AM

Thank you Kat! I will loook into this!

Dewey

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 01:29 AM

Ah, but which God? You should have asked. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: mack/misophist
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 12:56 AM

katlaughing may be a little bit off. My father was a 32º Mason.
He once told me I had to believe in god to join. That's the only qualification he mentioned. Obviously, I didn't join.

Subject: RE: BS: What is the Illuminati? (Mason Ties?)
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Sep 04 - 12:47 AM

The Masons are mostly a civic group, these days. I wouldn't recommend any of the above as "authentic" info on them. My uncle, grandfather and others in my fmaily were all Masons and were good men in their communities and at home. My sisters and I all belonged to Job's Daughter's which is an organisation for young women, 12-18 yrs. which comes under the auspices of the Masons and their women's counterpart, The Eastern Star. All are based on Christianity and have nothing to do with anything violent.

If you are interested in a good, thorough study of metaphysics with pratical experience, dating from the ancient mystery schools, I would suggest you go to AMORC and read their online publication "Mastery of Life." You may access it directly by clicking here. If you have any questions, please send me a PM and I will do my best to answer them.

All the best,

kat