BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004

Subject: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: DougR
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 04:57 PM

Gee, I've waited and waited, confident that Amos or some other fair-minded liberal would inform Mudcatters that Time Magazine, one of America's most liberal magazine has named their "Person of the Year for 2004". The person, George W. Bush's picture appeared on the December 27, 2004 issue of Time. Since no one else did, I felt it my duty to point this out to the Mudcat family. Kind of intended to balance Amos' very own private thread in which he searches for sources that are critical of the President to post on the Mudcat.

I believe GWB was also chosen for this honor in 2003. One of very few who have been selected consecutive years.

Go George!

:>)
DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 04:58 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 05:01 PM

Oops. Me above.

Not necessarily intended as an honor. Former "winners" include Hitler, Stalin (twice!), and the Ayatollah Khomeini.

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 05:07 PM

Yep...Time chooses the person they think most 'affected' things for the year....not necessarily for the better...

but I do agree, Doug.....GO, George-and quickly.

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 05:23 PM

GWB would be an appropriate person of the year for Time, who was the Grim Reaper long before he was a magazine.

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 05:25 PM

He should be doin' it, not on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 05:35 PM

Dou:

The Man of the Year award goes to whoever Time Inc feels has had a great impact, not he who has done the most good. Hitler won the award, and so did the computer back in the days of the first desktop explosion.

I am very surprised to hear you think anyone on the Mudcat needs to be told about the fact that Bush was put on Time's cover, having been found to have had a large impact on the world -- starting international wars unilaterally does tend to make large changes. Initializing a process that kills 120 thousand human souls is an honor usually reserved for psychotic fascists and earthquakes. And we know Mister Bush is not an earthquake.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: DougR
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 07:37 PM

Well, Amos, no one had posted it so I assumed many may not know it. While many who were selected for this recognition were despots, Bush, at least is trying to bring peace to the mid-east and his efforts have prevented further terrorist attacks on U. S. soil. He was recognized for his peace-making efforts, not for those things that you describe.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 08:27 PM

Yeah, when Bush's buddy Sharon kills off the last Palestinian there will, at last, be peace in the Middle East...

Nah. The the Isrealis will start squabbling among themselves and next thin they will have a civil wat going there as well...

As for stoping terrorist attacks, Dougie, you are way off... Contrary to the Buish administrations earlier claims, which they had to retract, terrorist attacks around the world are on the rise... Hey, you don't think they can hit the US? Bull.... I could, but wouldn't, go out and shut down New York city with a cheap auction bought car, 5 gallons of gas, a match and and a buck twenty five fare thru the Holland Tunnel... George Bush hasn't stopped anything, except the Bill of Rights... The so-called terrorists can hit us any time they want...

But you keep thinking that pre-emptive George is the Man of the Yaer if you want...

In my book and about 56,000,000 of your fellow Americans, he's the Creep of the Year...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: DougR
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 09:27 PM

My, my, my, Bobert, there you go again! You confuse terrorist attacks in other parts of the world with terrorist attacks on U. S. soil. Tell, me Bobert, ole buddy, has there been a terrorist attack in West-By-God Virginy you haven't told us about since 9/11?

And Bill, GWB will go, but not for four more years.

And Amos: that 120,000 figure, 'splain please.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: GUEST, Claymore
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 09:38 PM

Sorry DougR, many of them just don't get it.

But the article was, on the whole, well balanced and contained some criticism as well as successes. I especially enjoyed the sidebar article with George 41 and Barbara, and the other comparing the Kennedy clan with the Bush successes (Kennedys in effective power less than 1,000 days with little to show for it, the Bushes with well over 4,000 and counting). Just the critque of the how the Bush clan learns from family mistakes and adapts, is stuff to crush the heart of any liberal and/or Democrat.

And Bobert while I don't necessarily disagree with your premise that we can be "hit", I wonder why it hasen't happened once since 9/11?

They don't want to?

They want our elections to show a clear majority for Bush?

They were only waiting for Kerry to be elected?

Under your senario money is apparently not the problem, nor has it been in Iraq with the IEDs.

Is it lack of political will? Lack of faith of American Muslims? Are non-American Muslims streaming to our shores to start the Jihad? And it took them three and a half years to get here?

Why is it? Could George have been right!!!!

Has anyone noticed that while some of our troops are still the targets of the IEDs, far more are directed at potential polling places, Iraqi Police stations and Iraqi politicians.

Could George have been right?

And if John McCain and Condi Rice run against Hillary and some Democrat with a dick, in 2008 what will you do????

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 09:50 PM

Man oh man, Dougie... Wes Ginny invented terrorism, gol dang it. An' you can take that to the bank...

You live down in this holler fir 'bout 20 years and you'll come away with a new perspective of terrorism...

See, we ain't got no lawman back in this holler. I ain't kiddin'. None. In the last 20 years Iz lived here I ain't never seen a cop car, an ambulance 'er nothin'... Just a bunch of hillbillies living purdy danged much they want... And they get drunk and mean and drive 'round in beat up old trucks hooping and hollerin' and fightin' and cussin' and Iz here to say that, as a peace lovin' kinda guy, I spend about half my life terrorized...

But then it all evens out on Saturday night when I get in my ol' pick up truck and do the same to them...

But, hey, ya' never know when yer gonna get a few scores down in the game so I got me a 12 guage pump, with the block for the 4th shell removed, sittin' right where I can get it real easy in case I need to...

And the P-Vine ain't too shy 'bout stickin' it out the front door neither...

So, I reckon that's a kinda terrorism where ya' gotta teach a classically trained musican wife how to handle a 12 guage shotgun in case the neigbors get too roudy...

As fir the US gettin' hit, it get hit daily by the Bush administration...

Heck, the terrorist are jus' sittin' back and watchin'ush operate and scratchin' their little terrorist's heads wondering on just what they could do that Bush isn't allready doing??? Killing people ain't the only measure that terrorists use in grading...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 10:03 PM

" . . . has there been a terrorist attack in West-By-God Virginy you haven't told us about since 9/11?"

Serious question here: Was there ever a terrorist attack in W-B-G V?

And to Claymore: You raise good points--but as to this one: "Why is it? Could George have been right!!!!", I jus' don't get it. Right about what?

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 10:09 PM

Sorry, Claymore... I was doing my slow typing while you were postin'...

First of all, what kinda rown you all running up there in Sheppardstown, anyway... My boss got a water bill for over $700 fir one month! Now I gotta come up there tomorrow and see if one of them college girls left the toile runnin', er what...

Secondly, no, Bush wasn't right (right wingnut maybe) about nuthin'... I think 9/11 was just somethin' that them danged nutballs had in their minds to use to bring attention to thier cause and they did it... Bush really hasn't done much at all to prevent another incident... Like the example I pointed out above, it could be done with no planning, no nothin'... I think they sent their message and that was it...

...fir now.

Yer a smart guy. Think how many things you could do, if you had to, to mess up things in America... Like lots... And yer just one guy... No, Bush doesn't deserve any credit... It's perhaps the bad guys who desreve the credit for not wacking us again...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: mack/misophist
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 10:12 PM

TIME is America's most liberal magazine???? Only if you wear your bed sheets.

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 10:49 PM

the simple and correct answer as to why there have been no attacks since 9/11 in america:GWB is the best thing that ever happened to bin laden and al quada and i don't see how anyone with a brain can refute that. the number of "insurgents" originally pegged at 5000 are now thought to be at 200,000 by our own current intelligence reports. the incompetance of the occupation has handed over tons of explosives and weapons to them that they couldn't have before because (guess who?) SADDAM didn't cater to their wishes cuz he was a secular leader rather than an Islamnut. they've pulled off many attacks in other parts of the world and don't need to do anything here until they feel like it because the other area of major incompetancy is our port security and immigration policy. when bush has run his course THEY will be ready to go cuz this slimeball has done ZERO to protect this country and a helluva lot to endanger it and cost many innocent souls their lives for no purpose but his own hubris, greed, and self-aggrandizement. he will burn in hell for his deeds if there is any justice.
Satan's Person of the Year 2004_GWBush!

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Jan 05 - 11:39 PM

I read back up there ^ that Bush is trying to being 'peace' to the Mid-east....seems to me that what he is trying to 'bring' (spelled "impose") is HIS concept of democracy, no matter how much NON-peace it takes!

He is costing thousand of lives, spending more Billions than we can comprehend, losing the few friends/allies we had after 9/11, and locking us into a trap worse than the proverbial "tiger-by-the-tail"! Haw are we going to EVER let go? If we leave Iraq, it will be total bloody civil war within weeks, and 'peace' will be after enough of one side is dead....and he got the right to continue this insane policy by preying on fear and distorting the issues....and he considers that narrow win as a 'mandate'.

Peace? He'd be bored out of his skull by peace!

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: DougR
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 12:20 AM

LOL, Guest of the great NW.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: DougR
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 12:27 AM

Mack/Misophist: must read post, else one will not be able to respond intelligently. I did not say Time Magazine was the most liberal ...only that it presents the liberal point of view. Achtung! Pay attention!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 01:15 AM

Bush is not known as a "peacemaker" anywhere in the World, Doug, except within the utterly deluded confines of the USA. You're already living in the Fourth Reich, you just haven't become aware of it yet. Don't feel bad, because most Germans weren't aware of their real situation either, until about 1943 or '44. Then it was way too late.

Germans are essentially good people in the vast majority. So are Americans. Good people can be very badly led.

It is not necessary for people who want to strike at America to come TO America now. They have a whole army to shoot at now on their own home ground, in Iraq and Afghanistan. They have 150,000 live targets now. That's a very good situation for Al Queda, and just what Bin Laden wanted. He wanted a holy war between Islam and America. He's got it, and it will continue until it destroys the Bush administration, and possibly another administration after that. It's rather like Vietnam in that respect. It's a war that cannot be won, because its objectives are unrealistic and unattainable.

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 12:26 PM

Of course there have been no attacks on American soil. Duh, we're conveniently transporting young men and women (and some old apparently), along with the necessary explosives, to the middle east and western asia so that people who want to go to heaven for killing Americans can do it much more cheaply and efficiently. And, at the same time, we have inflamed shopkeepers, taxi drivers, and other jus' plain folks to hate Americans and become the allies of "the terrorists". Meanwhile, exactly what have we done to address the root cause of this brand of terrorism, and thereby achieve a permanent solution?

Oh, wait - I forgot. Silly me. The permanent solution is to kill 'em all.

Thanks Mr. Peacemaker.

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: DougR
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 01:48 PM

One thing I think even the Bush bashers will admit is he does have a talent for pissing people off. I'm sure, after his speech yesterday on the high cost of mal-practice law suits, the trial lawyers are gonna just love him! If he is successfull in capping frivilous law suits, and even those that are justified, he might make Person of the Year in 2005! Wow, that would be something wouldn't it?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 05:37 PM

A lot of people he has pissed off, DougR, are pissed off for good and sufficient reason -- for example, those whose daughters have been killed by our missiles, whose small children have gone up in smoke, those whose wives are wounded or dead. He has also scattered the nations treasure on this ill-conceived war. If he blew the whole planet up he could really be Man of the Year, huh? Wouldn't that just be peachy???

I hope that you are content when you notice, at least, that those whose families were ruined in direct consequence of his hurry to resort to extreme violence do not include your own family.

Nor his, I notice. At least he knows how to delegate a few important things -- going in to harm's way and getting killed.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 05:46 PM

Well, DougR, I guess he won't be pissing off all of those poor gynecologists who, because of the big bad malpractic lawyers, can't practice their love with women all over the country. lol

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 06:03 PM

yep...if Bush manages to do anything about frivolous lawsuits, even *I* will applaud! It doesn't take a genius to know that has been needed for a long time, but that doesn't qualify him for sainthood.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day! *grin*

We shall see if he REALLY manages to get any significant legislation thru on this. (I remember the Clintons trying to mess with "health care" and learning just what clout vested interests have!)

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: DougR
Date: 06 Jan 05 - 11:24 PM

Amos: Sometimes I think your hatrid of GWB clouds your thinking. Have you considered counseling? The results of this past election seem a bit more than you can bear. Your insistance on continuing to post to your own private thread, for example, suggests to me that you really do need some help.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 12:36 PM

more stalinist thinking from our right wing represenative. can't refute or discuss the facts? tar your enemy as "mentally ill" and suggest getting "help". maybe spend some time in a "thought retraining center", eh? sheeesh!!

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: DougR
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 12:56 PM

Not at all, oh great friend from the NW, I'm truly concerned for Amos. His posts have changed from ones of reason to posts of hate. I can only assume that comes from great frustration over Bush being elected. I think the sooner he reaches an accommodation with the fact that his side did not win, and turns his energies to helping his side win the next one, the better off he will be. Constantly reviling GWB does no good. He will be gone in four years.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 01:56 PM

DougR:

How many deaths do you think we should reasonably accept over those four years? How many destroyed homes, ruined families, accidentally slaughtered daughters and sons?

You may just have a deep philosophical tolerance of all these destructive events. That does not make me crazy; I speak not from hatred, as you surmise, but from protest against barbarism. You may think the sort of barbarism we have employed in Iraq is your friend. I only hope you live long enough to see the wheel turn and discover the unintended consequences of Mister Bush's deep-seated indifference to other people.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I suspect the kind of help you would like to see me get is something like the help Hemingway got from the shrinks who gave him ECT and drove him to suicide. And you have already subscribed to enough murders already.

A

A

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 01:59 PM

The Globalist, a far more enlightened and less "boughtened" mag than today's Time, has a different choice for Man of the Year -- th ebrave soldier who discovered his internal fortitude could not stand the abuses at Abu Ghraib and forwarded the first set of photos.

Story at this page; perhaps a more meritorious reward.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: DougR
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 05:58 PM

Amos: I have no idea how old you are, but had you been of the same age that you are in WWII, or even the Korean War, you would have been a basket case.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Once Famous
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 06:10 PM

Amos is completely mentally ill.

A friend of mine, a psychologist and a cool dude told me upon seeing Amos' 750+ post obsession about Bush said the guy is off his rocker with compulsion, no matter what his political agenda was.

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Amos
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 06:54 PM

Let's get you rposuition clear, Martin.

a. Do you think being opposed to Bush's polciies is "mentally ill"??
b. Do you think putting posts about how others view the Bush Administration in a thread called "Popular Views of the Bush Administration" is mentally ill?

What exactly is it you see as an aberration?

Doug: Sorry, but your post is so ungrammatical, I can't figure out what (if anything) you really meant to say. Would you like to rephrase it? If you are speculating that because I protest war-mongering, I would have been unable to face up to violence in WW2, I think you are sadly mistaken. Those who lived through those wars learned that war is hell, and to start a war is the worst of sins against civilization. You obviously never did pick up on that subtle little lesson in human decency 101. Maybe next life time.

A friend of mine said that they found the thread useful and informative.

Maybe supporting violence, invasion and the abandonment of American principles and decency7 is closer to mental illness than simply collecting articles about the nutball who does those thingas, or his junior nutballs who defend them.

Martin, your judgement is badly warped, and your taste is piss-poor, and your manners are abominable. Aside from that, you're a loverly human being. Except that you feel obliged to support murder. Otherwise, you're rational.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 07:31 PM

Well gol danged, Amos...

Ya' must be doing one heck of a job 'cause you sho nuff keepin' the Martin & Dougie Show pumped up...

As fir menatl illness?

Only part of this discussion that has revelance to mential illness is the supposed "man of the year". who clearly exhibits behaviors that would certainly concern most therapists...

Then there's Martin???...

"How do you count the ways?............"

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: DougR
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 12:45 AM

Hey! Can't let this thread die! Somebody might not know who Time Magazine chose! Everybody is probably tuning in to "What some folks think about the Bush Administration" or something like that!

Man of the Year! Imagaine that!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Peace
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 12:50 AM

LMAOROTF.

That was very funny, DougR. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: DougR
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 01:04 PM

Glad you appreciate it, brucie!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Peace
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 02:00 PM

I just had a vision of you as a student in Grades 6-8.

"Man of the Year! Imagaine that!"

The timing on this within the context of your post is priceless.

Laughing again. Thanks, Doug. I have a really stupid grin on my face. I love humour.

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 01:22 PM

Yes I migraine that!

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Teresa
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 01:53 PM

Well, I am not afraid of people who will resort to calling a person with opposing views "insane". If we all did that, the world would be kinda harmless. :>

I'm always anticipating Bushes new uses of the English language. For that reason alone, he's man of the year in my book. ;)

Teresa

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Amos
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 02:29 PM

Teresa:

That depends on how we agree to deal with insane people in our midst. In not too-distant days people were commited to insane asylums simply because their families were tired of them or stood to gain financially, and many ended up undergoing debilitating treatments such as ECT, ice-baths, insulin shock treatment, pre-frontal lobotomies, and so on.

Before that they just imprisoned and osmetimes beat them in places like old Bedlam Hospital.

Even today, being labeled and judged "insane" is a frightening fate in some cases, not osmething to be taken TOO lightly!!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 02:47 PM

I thought Bill Clinton was a traitor to our coutry for giving China our Nuclear secrets.   I thought he was a theif for illegal fund raising and bad pardons.   I thought he was a liar and immoral. I thought his foreign policy endangered our country with Sadaam, Al Queda, and North Korea.

Nevertheless, we survived and moved on.    The greatness of our system is that the people decide.    There is no point in obsessing and looking mean spirited and foolish.   Work to persuade people and get your candidates elected.

Amos is a bright guy- some of his older posts brilliant.   It is sad that he is obsessed with Bush.   He does nothing for his cause in his posts.   I could make the exact same case about how bad Hillary Clinton is.   It would serve no point.   I want Rudy to kick her ass in the senate race in 06 or Rudy, Condi, McCain, Colin, or jeb to kick her ass in the race for president in 08.    The last think I want to do is become as obsessively depressing as Amos.

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Teresa
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 03:00 PM

Well, Amos, these days in our society, practically nothing is done for those deemed insane. They are left on the streets to fend for themselves, more often than not. :(

I was making light of it all, considering the context. If I can't laugh, I can't thrive in this strange world. :)

teresa

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: GUEST,guest from NW
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 03:30 PM

"The last think I want to do is become as obsessively depressing as Amos."

i don't find amos depressing at all. i find him concerned about his country and countrymen who are dying for an emporer's hubris. the only reason you, larryK, dougR, and your ilk find him depressing is because you disagree with his opinion and choose to attack his person rather than his ideas. i believe that that's because you're too lazy, partisan and close-minded to even read or consider his sources for his statements, but, of course, that's only MY opinion. does that make me depressing to you? should i consider treatment? actually, i find YOUR partisanship depressing. maybe you should consider counseling. or maybe you should stick to the issues under discussion rather than make personal attacks.
i hardly find it meanspirited or foolish that a person would care that our people are dying for a cause that will prove to be as useless and sad as the 50,000 plus that died in vietnam.

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Amos
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 04:24 PM

Time names Adolph Hitler Man of the Year for 1938

(Click for cover.)

Imagine that! Man of the Year.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: DougR
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 05:31 PM

Amos: your post on 11 Jan, 2;29 PM, your first paragraph: you are right of course, and an excellent example of such treatment was Rosemary Kennedy, sister of the late President.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 06:01 PM

Rosemary Kennedy was not ever considered "insane". She was what used to be called "mentally retarded". Whether or not her treatment was the best available, I leave others more knowledgeable on that subject than me to discuss.

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: GUEST,HC
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 06:12 PM

Look on the bright side.....'W' can't have a third term, though there may be some muddy area about being "elected"....

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 07:18 PM

Larry K - The people don't decide. The hapless people merely rubberstamp one of the two machine candidates that the $ySStem spits out in front of them every 4 years. That's what you don't get. It's not really a choice at all...it's window dressing for a $ySStem that does exactly what it wants to do...just like the Kremlin did. They had bogus elections there too, where you voted for this or that Communist Party candidate in your riding. American elections offer no more real choice than the Soviets did, in my opinion, because all the main candidates are bought and paid for by the ruling power structure, just like they were in the old Soviet Union. They pretend to offer an alternative to the public. They do not. They do, of course, fight like hell to win, because he who wins gets the "cookies" and the glory. They win, the public loses. Every time. And it's exactly like that in Canada too, where we have more than 2 political parties. It's a sham, made up to look like a choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Time Magazine's Person of the Year 2004
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 07:27 PM

Hey, teresa, if all ya gotta do is bungle the English language then, gol danged, I shoulda gotten Man of the Year...

Plus I wouldn't have kilt off nobody...

Bobert