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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Teribus Date: 07 Oct 05 - 11:47 PM There's one thing that cannot be denied LWD has got awicked sense of humour - when exactlty did you leave the DET? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST,The Plasterer Date: 06 Oct 05 - 04:02 PM Heard today total bill for recent Belfast riots is 7.3 million. Orange Order said PSNI should foot the bill as they started it. Do these guys admit anything ? Reported in the Examiner. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 15 Sep 05 - 11:21 PM ... The only English chinless wonders I know of are Bruce Forsyth and Geoff Hurst... ... The late Quentin Hogg, perhaps... Yawwwnnnn 11.22 already! Nearly time for me to clock off... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Divis Sweeney Date: 15 Sep 05 - 10:07 PM bottle E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Big Al Whittle Date: 15 Sep 05 - 09:48 PM Okay lets recap Every Republican has the soul of a poet and the heart of a rebel. Every Unionist is an educationally subnormal thug. The English are all chinless wonders (apart from the 1968 line up of Fairport Covention) Irish women are sexy and tough and Coleman's Mustard gets the thumbs up - is that tube, the powder or the bottle? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 15 Sep 05 - 07:39 PM ... sorry... that was me (forgot the 'From' line) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST Date: 15 Sep 05 - 07:37 PM "what would be really good was if the two sets of Irishmen could say nice things about each other." There would be no problem if one set of 'Irishmen' called themselves that. You do, and probably most of the population of England does as well, weelittledrummer Could somebody please tell the Loyalists that they are Irish. Please? Nice one Cloger, love the soildier spelling. Sums it all up, don't you think? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Cloger Date: 15 Sep 05 - 07:26 PM "In a station in a city a Brittish soildier stood talking to the people there if the people would some turned in hatred and others turned in pain and the lonely brittish soildier wished that he was back home again" (Harvey Andrews 1975?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST,Boab Date: 15 Sep 05 - 12:31 AM Work for Crawford Howard and his "Peace Powder"-----! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST Date: 14 Sep 05 - 11:29 PM Gargoyle's reference to the Armalite thread:
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: akenaton Date: 14 Sep 05 - 07:23 PM They may be morons Divis,but in rural West of Scotland they a making an alarming comeback. Scotland has always been full of sectarianism...the main reason we don't have independence. I notice all the small towns a villages now seem to have a branch of the Orange Lodge. Not so long ago we used to laugh at their ridicuous posturing, but now their members are infiltrating local govt and an air of menace prevails. I have no religion or axe to grind, but these fools are a reminder of the fascist era...Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST,DivisSweeney Date: 14 Sep 05 - 05:27 PM You had to see the Orange Order on television today saying that they condone the weekend street riots. After saying they condone it 10 times, a reporter had to point out, Do you not mean you condemn it ? Oh yes thats what I meant to say was their reply. Total fools one and all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Wolfgang Date: 14 Sep 05 - 04:02 PM Why the UVF believes violence pays Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST Date: 14 Sep 05 - 05:45 AM Yes I agree, but the British government pussy foot around the big bastard. He appears on television and calls for people to come out onto the streets and when it turns out as it did last weekend he walks away. Did this for 30 plus years.Well known fact that he sits in at meetings of the Loyalist paramilitary council of Ulster. They will never accept catholics in government. When the Good Friday agreement was signed he appeared on television and said he would not take any part in it. He appeared a week before the first sitting and said we would now take his seat. He would be in to wreck the assembly. Why did the government allow a party in who was hell bent on wrecking the agreement 81% wanted to work ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: dianavan Date: 14 Sep 05 - 01:09 AM ", declared to his followers that because of the banning of the 100 yards through a nationalist district declared, "this could be the spark that kindles a fire there will be no putting out", and his hooded followers acted accordingly" In Canada it might be considered a hate crime or inciting a riot. If the Mullahs of London express similar, radical fundamentalist views and are silenced, why is it O.K. for Paisley to incite hatred? ...and you're right about Irish being Irish. Its never as simple as sending people back 'where they came from'. How do you solve a problem like Paisley and his Loyalists? Convict them of hate crimes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST Date: 14 Sep 05 - 12:31 AM You folk have cooley foresaken the ardor of the Fall. Spring is the season when young blood boils for spoils. Sift some ashes over the embers and let them stand ready to spark when the wind winds from the south.
For a refreshing spirit consult:
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=12267#163466
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Big Al Whittle Date: 13 Sep 05 - 07:35 PM I think its a bit silly asking the Irish to say nice things about us. Like Big Mick says after all the shit that's gone down over the last 600 or so years - well its a bit like going to Tel Aviv and asking folks to say something nice about the SS........great uniforms, you always knew where you were with them, etc Fairport convention, mustard, you always know where you are with mustard,...ho hum what would be really good was if the two sets of Irishmen could say nice things about each other. If the loyalists could say about the Nationalists and vice versa, well the other guy has a point about somethings and I'm sure we can reach a compromise. To be fair I suppose this is exactly what happens in town councils all over Ireland, but you'd never guess it from the tone of the exchanges on this site. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST Date: 13 Sep 05 - 04:54 PM well fuck they couldn't have their parade where they wanted it. You peole have no empathy. I'd burn cities and buses n shit if I couldn't have my parade where I wanted it either. It's not like they don't have their priorities straight. What do you want them to do? Work and pay mortgages and raise their children and stuff? blehhh |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST,DivisSweeney Date: 13 Sep 05 - 02:32 PM Ard mhacha you have hit the nail on the head here. Everyone who took an interest in Irish politics drew the parallel years ago. The North was the Alabama of Europe and any fool who can't see it needs to get a grip. They went out last weekend to stamp their authority over nationalists.One old tart summed it up on national television news last night by saying that we cannot respect a policeforce which isn't loyal to the unionist people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Wolfgang Date: 13 Sep 05 - 01:20 PM He demagouges eyes out. Most probably only a typo, but it fits that man well. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: ard mhacha Date: 13 Sep 05 - 12:57 PM Paisley received his"starched collar" from the Bob Jones University. in the good old southern states, when imprisoned in 1966 for unlawful assembly,he spat forth this biblical crap, "When the fuse of true prayer is set alight with the fire of the holy ghost, and thus the gospel dynamite is exploded" Last week this old demagouge showing he hadn`t mellowed with the years, declared to his followers that because of the banning of the 100 yards through a nationalist district declared, "this could be the spark that kindles a fire there will be no putting out", and his hooded followers acted accordingly. KKK or what. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: ard mhacha Date: 13 Sep 05 - 12:33 PM Of course the Klan and the Orange Order are two of a kind, only a fool cannot see the comparsion, the biblical nonsense that both organisation blast out, they are one and the same. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST Date: 13 Sep 05 - 09:55 AM Have to agree with the above post, the Klan and Orange ARE very alike. Read up on them if in doubt. Both with Anglo Saxon Protestant viewpoints and torture of anyone outside of their circle. Also both depend on HOODS to cover their dirty work ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Big Mick Date: 13 Sep 05 - 09:33 AM Macha, it is useful to remember that the same thing was said about those transported to Australia, New Zealand, and parts of North America. The difference is that they were Irish. Historically the folks moved to Ireland as part of the plantation laws were just peons and considered as a resource for the wealthy. That is what makes this all so foolish. This is no more about Catholic/Protestant or Loyalist-Unionist/Republican than the man in the moon. It was the workers of the North starting to realize that they had more in common with other workers than they did with the British landlords/industrialists. In the grand fashion of capitalists, the monied interests couldn't have this. They played the "Orange" card, and used special rights for the Orange and discriminatory laws for the Green as fertilizer to insure a bountiful harvest. Several centuries later we are still seeing the effect of this. The Loyalist/Unionists should never be expelled. It is a silly idea. They are as Irish as the descendants of the Vikings, Normans, or any other of the groups that make up the fabric of the land. They need to be brought to the realization that their future lies in a united Ireland with opportunity for all. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST Date: 13 Sep 05 - 09:05 AM Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: ard mhacha Date: 13 Sep 05 - 07:10 AM So right, do you remember that scene in, O, Brother where art thou, when the hooded Klan leader was addressing the assembled klansmen thus, "this is not part of our culture, we don`t want people telling us we come from monkeys, oh, no, brothers, we gonna hang us a negra", well words to that effect, substitute the leader of the Klan for an Orang Grand Master [Wizard]. Jesus, what on earth are you on about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Wolfgang Date: 13 Sep 05 - 08:19 AM I am beginning to think that when Ireland becomes whole, the Loyalists will have to be stripped of their Irish citizenship and be sent back to England. (Dianavan) The majority of people coming over to Northern Ireland during the 'plantations' came from Scotland. Do you mean sending them to England instead of Scotland as an extra punishment they deserve or have you used 'England', pars pro toto, meaning the big island east of Ireland. Wolfgang (grin) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Wolfgang Date: 13 Sep 05 - 08:06 AM What an old-fashioned idea of the role of heredity you seem to have implicitely, Ard Mhacha. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: ard mhacha Date: 13 Sep 05 - 07:39 AM A witness, Rev Andrew Stewart, Presbyterian Minister of Donaghadee, writing at the time on the plantation of Ulster, stated,. "The people supplanted in Ulster, strangers from England and Scotland, were generally the scum of both nations, who for debt and breaking and fleeing from justice, sought asylum among the fair fields of Ulster". Now going by what we have witnessed over the years ,old Andrew was a fair judge. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST Date: 13 Sep 05 - 07:30 AM Dianavan were you taken over by aliens when you wrote that post? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 13 Sep 05 - 07:22 AM Dianavan, You wrote "the Loyalists will have to be stripped of their Irish citizenship and be sent back to England. " They are not from England or anywhere else but Ireland. They have been there longer than Europeans in America. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: ard mhacha Date: 13 Sep 05 - 07:10 AM So right, do you remember that scene in, O, Brother where art thou, when the hooded Klan leader was addressing the assembled klansmen thus, "this is not part of our culture, we don`t want people telling us we come from monkeys, oh, no, brothers, we gonna hang us a negra", well words to that effect, substitute the leader of the Klan for an Orang Grand Master [Wizard]. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Leadfingers Date: 13 Sep 05 - 05:01 AM Ita all part of the fun isnt it ?? Oh and by the way , 100 !! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: ard mhacha Date: 13 Sep 05 - 04:46 AM See BBC NI, rioting again last night, 10 police injured, rioting loyalists stop a bus and rob elderly people travelling to church, two year old baby has skull fractured when brick smashes window of a passing car. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST,David Hannam Date: 13 Sep 05 - 04:11 AM Everyone i so wrapped up in the blame game. Scoring points against each other. The whole dispute is a farce, the whole Ireland civil dispute is a farce. One type of folk benefit from the dispute - Drug barrons and weapon dealers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Paul Burke Date: 13 Sep 05 - 04:04 AM We certainly don't want them. They aren't British in the same way as anyone except the loonies of the British Movement, they aren't loyal to anyone except themselves, I'd rather have yardies than that shower of amateur racketeers. How do I know they are amateurs? Pros would have left the place long ago. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: dianavan Date: 13 Sep 05 - 12:22 AM Correct me if I'm wrong. I've been trying to follow this thread... The Loyalists wanted to march through a Catholic part of town to antagonize the residents there. Loyalists also shot at police. It doesn't take too many brains to figure out that the Loyalists are wrong. I used to think that once Ireland became whole again, the Loyalists would just assimilate into the Irish culture. I am beginning to think that when Ireland becomes whole, the Loyalists will have to be stripped of their Irish citizenship and be sent back to England. Maybe England doesn't want them either. The Loyalists in Ireland are wrong and if they want to stay in Ireland they should stop making so much trouble. They should learn to live in peace or they will be arrested as traitors. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain Date: 12 Sep 05 - 09:20 PM Suit yourself, Guest, but Mick hasn't said anything untrue here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Big Mick Date: 12 Sep 05 - 09:18 PM Cool, but before you leave could you answer the question? Or any of the questions? That's the way the law works in a legally constituted government. Where is this body in the North of Ireland? What authority is it that brought it into being? Oh .... that's right .... it happened at the point of a gun barrel ..... seems I remember the folks there never did quite accept that. And me being a vet has what to do with any of this? Intellectual weakling. Always has been. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:53 PM I simply pointed out that they only became illegal because your government said so. Yes mick that's the way law works. Tir if it's all the same with you I'll skip this thread and leave it to the ex vet to extoll the virtues of peace. Sheesh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Divis Sweeney Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:46 PM GUEST - I think you need some sleep soon because you're, erm...getting silly. :) E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Big Mick Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:42 PM Nice try. I haven't agreed with you, because I don't recognize Great Britain as the legal authority in the North of Ireland. I simply pointed out that they only became illegal because your government said so. You see, I don't get where they get their legal authority. Could you point the way towards the constitution or articles that make the North of Ireland a legitimate entity? So if it isn't, then the change in status was simply by fiat? Nope, your folks just continued a centuries old policy of telling the Irish that if they won't be nice, you will just change the rules. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Divis Sweeney Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:40 PM Haha! Hey, GUEST, you should check out the World's Thinnest Books thread and see if you can any. I love that one. E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:39 PM tee heeeeeeeee |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:26 PM I haven't agreed that the IRA was an illegal organisation. The British Government outlawed the Irish language, the practice of Catholicism. Did that make it illegal to us? You haven't mentioned the British Army by name, Guest. Same way as up until Tiocfaidh, Tír Chonaill, and myself made some of our detractors mention the words 'Loyalist' and 'Terrorist', related to each other, in the same sentence. Same way as we are trying to get good folks to say British Army/Loyalist Terrorist in the same fashion. Care to take the plunge? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:23 PM tee heeeeeeeee |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:06 PM You haven't what? Sorry to be slow on the uptake but the concurrent threads are taxing at this hour. I thought I already had condemned all attrocities carried out by armed organisations. I know I did, because we had the illegal or otherwise sideline following it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:01 PM I haven't, Guest. Not that it'll make a whole lot of difference to your everyday, as we don't, erm..., know who you are, but just let me see you condemn the State Sponsored Terrorism your Government and it's pillars visited upon a people who, without exception English, Scottish and Welsh Mudcatters agree, are a very friendly and open people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Divis Sweeney Date: 12 Sep 05 - 07:47 PM Mick, in fact they (the British) first used the word terrorist to describe the Sons of Liberty, an American patriot group that was fighting for independence. According to the crown, it was illegal to be a Son, and yet today we honour them as heros. Interesting, isn't it? E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: GUEST Date: 12 Sep 05 - 07:47 PM You're not correcting me. I said it was illegal and you have just agreed with me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Belfast Riots From: Big Mick Date: 12 Sep 05 - 07:40 PM Sorry to interupt, folks, but I must correct GUEST. When you say the IRA is illegal, it wasn't illegal until the British Government made it illegal. If you recall, the great Republican Bobby Sands and company died on hunger strike because they ceased to be treated as combatants. The Government arbitrarily decided they were no longer prisoners of war, that they were now common criminals. Kind of like they considered doing to the American revolutionaries. Mick |
