BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 07:40 AM

I can't tolerate Intolerance - I think it's a slow boring movie.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 09:25 AM

Some of you people do not like their fellow man--and I hate people like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 09:29 AM

"To tell the truth, we were surprised by the seriousness and the large scale of the operation. We had expected that Israel would respond with one or two days of bombing, rstricted attacks on selected targets".

Naim Kassem (deputy leader of Hezbollah) in interview with Egyptian paper 'an-Nahar'

(my translation of a German translation)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 10:23 AM

That confirms my sources--Hezbollah miscalulated--but then so did Israel. And the latter was much more serious.


However, very intriguing column in the Wall St Journal yesterday. Though as a column it certainly has no pretense to objectivity, still I don't think all the quotes were made up. Therefore it seems clear that even within the Shiite community in Lebanon there's a split on the recent war--it's by no means endorsed by all Shiites in Lebanon.

Sayyed Ali-al-Amin called "the grand old man of Lebanese Shiism" in the article, states "The Shiite community never gave anyone the right to wage war in its name".

Mona Fayed, "a prominent Shiite academic in Beirut", in an article published last week, sarcastically defines a Shiite in Lebanon as "he who takes his instructions from Iran, terrorizes fellow believers into silence and leads the nation into catastrophe without
consulting anyone".

Even within Hezbollah there has been criticism. "Some in the political wing expressed dissatisfaction with his (Nasrallah's) overreliance on the movement's military and security apparatus. Speaking on condition of anonymity, they described Mr Nasrallah's style as "Stalinist"."

Nasrallah acted at the start of the war "without informing even the two Hezbollah ministers in the Siniora cabinet or the 12 Hezbollah members of the Lebanese cabinet".

And this is particularly fascinating: "Mr Nasrallah was also criticized for his acknowledgment of Ali Khamenei" (in Iran) " as Marjaa al Taglid (Source of Emulation", the highest theological authority in Shiism". "Many Lebanese resent this because Mr Khameni, a powerful politician but a lightweight in theological terms, is not recognized as Marjaa al-Taglid in Iran itself. The overwhelming majority of Lebanese Shiites regard Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, in Iraq, or Ayatollah Muhammed Hussein Fadhlallah, in Beirut, as their "Source of Emulation".

Of course all the quotes by specific people are from members of the intelligentsia. The question is how many Shiites would fit this description, and how many are just poor people. This is particularly significant since, according to the column, anybody who can prove his home was damaged in the war receives $12,000 "a tidy sum in wartorn Lebanon".

I suspect Hezbollah's diligence in taking care of such people--and its largess-- is helping counter a lot of possible resentment----especially since Israel played into Hezbollah's hands by bombing all over Lebanon.

Nonetheless it's interesting to hear of dissenting voices--even in the Lebanese Shiite community.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 10:25 AM

"miscalculated"

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Old Guy
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 10:29 AM

Why does putting something into your own words make it more truthful?
It makes it more biased.
I think the writing of someone that has experienced something first hand to be the most pertinent and have more impact.

You can put things into your own words if you want but that does not change fiction into fact.

You might consider cut and paste as being lazy. I think it is laziness not to go out and look beyond what has been put into someone else's words and find something that is not biased.

When someone says "a few images were doctored" How do they know? Have they looked and read? Once you see faked images or staged news footage, a cautious person would distrust anything coming from that camp.

The stuff I find is either not being sought out and read by the Pro Hezbollans or it is being ignored if they find it.

I am constantly learning things as I search for real information.

I asked twice if Lebanese women can vote . There was no answer. Afraid to look? Don't care? To lazy to find out? Don't have the skills to find out? Afraid it will weaken you Pro Hizbollah stance?

If you notice I am not pro Isreal. I am anti any bunch of assholes who's stated purpose is to wipe out another race.

If you stand in that camp, you are not only a racist but a lunatic.

I dare you to read this
"Within a month of Nasrallah's taking over as leader, Hezbollah (with the help of Iranian intelligence) bombed the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires, killing 29 and injuring over 200. The next attack perpetrated by Hezbollah—again with Iranian help—was the bombing of the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires, killing 86 and injuring over 200."

In the words of Nasrallah:

"If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli." (New Yorker, Oct. 14, 2002)
"If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide. (Daily Star, Oct. 23, 2002)"
"The Palestinian National Charter will live on as long as there is a knife in a Palestinian woman's hand with which she stabs an Israeli soldier or settler ... as long as there are suicide bombers in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv ... and as long as there is a child who throws a stone in the face of an Israeli soldier. (AP, Dec. 12, 1998)"

Rather harsh words from someone whith Jewish ancestry wouldn't you say?

"Let the entire world hear me. Our hostility to the Great Satan [America] is absolute ...
    I conclude my speech with the slogan that will continue to reverberate on all occasions so that nobody will think that we have weakened. Regardless of how the world has changed after 11 September, Death to America will remain our reverberating and powerful slogan: Death to America. (BBC Monitoring: Al-Manar, Sep. 27, 2002)"

Should we send them some aid so they can use it to kill us?

I could go on and on but I have a window to replace.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 11:22 AM

Putting something in your own words does not make it more truthful, Old Man. Its just easier to read. Condense the article in your mind, make a statement and back it up with a quote. Not everybody is going to read your lengthy cut n paste.

As far as news being biased or pictures being 'doctored', its not just one side doing it. Both sides do it.

Can women in Lebanon vote? I don't know. Its beside the point. Besides that, you don't want the answer because you already know. Since you know the answer, just make a statement, otherwise its a rhetorical question.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 12:21 PM

from CIA world factbook (Lebanon):

Suffrage:
        
21 years of age; compulsory for all males; authorized for women at age 21 with elementary education

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 12:33 PM

Wolfgang--

Danke tausendmal. Great idea. I've now bookmarked the CIA World Factbook. Facts are always useful--even if some would rather just spout rhetoric.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 01:02 PM

Yes, the factbook is usually reliable.
(I bet they have a much larger version only accessible with a password)

I often turn to it for instance for the English names of countries and, in particular, of the inhabitants. My guesses in cases like 'Ivory Coast' are too often wrong.

But they have gaps. One example (just to remain in the area dealt with in this thread): They don't give a noun how to call the inhabitants of 'Gaza Strip'. In an old thread, I wrote that 'Gaza strippers' sounds good to me. More seriously, I'd call them Palestinians. The Factbook doesn't know that.

Wolfgang (asking himself whether the inhabitants of the Holy See are called Holy Seers, another deplorable gap in the factbook)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 01:18 PM

"Gaza Strippers" and "Holy Seers"--I love it.   Wolfgang, Sie sind eine echte Freude (besser wirkliche?.)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 01:48 PM

Ron, both are possible, 'echte' is a tiny bit better ('wahre Freude' would be another possibility). But I'd expect the familiar 'Du' instead of 'Sie'.
(When to use 'Du' or 'Sie' is a very difficult problem in German and the unwritten rules change locally and with time)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 02:09 PM

Wolfgang--

Thanks, I didn't realize if I could use the Du form with you--I've been told, when in doubt be conservative on that--don't assume familiarity.

Gee, I think I've committed egregious "thread creep".

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 02:39 PM

Gaza Strippers could be called Gazanians.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 08:10 PM

"I am constantly learning things as I search for real information."

Which means that you cannot ever cling indefinitely to any particular starting position - new things learnt affect old things already known, throwing them into a a new light of reintrepertation.


"find something [on the internet] that is not biased."

You are having a lend of us? Everything said by anyone contains their own personal biases.


"I could go on and on but I have a window to replace. "

But you DO, and you shouldn't provoke your neighbours to throw stones then...

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Old Guy
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 01:06 AM

"Both sides do it." I have presented the evidence of one side, whatever side that is, of faked photos and footage coming out if Lebanon. Where is your evidence of faked photos coming from the other side, who ever that is?

You can't even say which side you are talking about much less provide any proof.

You don't want to read the cut and pastes because the contents makes you wrong. Others read them and like the contents.

Tell me, If you had a son, would you send him off to be a suicide bomber?

If you had children would you be a suicide bomber ourself and leave your children for "Allah" to take care of?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: dianavan
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 01:56 AM

I immigrated to Canada so that my son would not be drafted by the U.S. government.

I am not an uneducated, poverty stricken, Muslim woman who's only hope is Allah. In her circumstances, I don't know what I'd do.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 04:43 AM

Logical fallacies...

"Others read them and like the contents"

1: SOME read them ...

2: SOME like the contents...

3: the two sets above do not form a unique single cojoined set...

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 04:55 AM

4: the two sets, whether cojoined or not, do not constitute the whole UOD.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Old Guy
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 01:09 PM

Factual falacies: There is no draft.

"Others read them and like the contents"

If you can find fault with this statement is is because you don't have any facts to present. Where is the faked photos from the others side and what is the other side?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Old Guy
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 01:19 PM

PS:

You can use all the foul languge you want. This is America and free speech is protected, unlike the countries and ideologies you are supporting.

And why didn't you move to Lebanon or Iran to protect your son from the non existant draft?

Are you afraid he might then become a suicide bomber?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: dianavan
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 01:53 PM

Old Guy -

You make an awful lot of assumptions.

When I moved to Canada, there was a draft in the U.S. Iran also had a draft. I don't know about Lebanon. Why would I want to move to the Middle East? Are you stupid?

Do you have a son? Has he enlisted? Has anyone in your family enlisted?

Any photo can be digitally enhanced. I look at all photos with that in mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 02:03 PM

Mr Guy--

Yup, you can use all the foul language you want--and it says worlds about your intelligence, poverty of vocabulary and bankruptcy of your position.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 02:15 PM

He asked for faked photos from the 'other side', meaning Israel. That's a fair question.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Old Guy
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 02:22 PM

I have 2 sons. They went to military school and were part of the ROTC but my Jello Brain ex wife convinced them to drop out.

I had 2 brothers in the Navy. I and another brother were 4F. I think my dad was 4F for some reason.

Now where are those examples of digitally altered photos from "the other side" what ever that is?

What you fail to understand that if those poor Plaestininas and Lebanese would forget their genocidal doctrine and join the modern world, their problems could be solved. They are their own worst enemy.

Do you think your flailing around in defence of them will help them? Face reality. The reality is terrorisim is bad and it will lead nowhere.

Their leaders have them convinced that their life is not worth living because "the enemy" will never allow them to have a good life. Therefore they are better off dead. They will be honored as a
Martyr and they will benefit those still alive.

The Hezbollah in Lebanon *WANT* civilians to be killed by Israel for their propaganda war.

Meanwhile the PA steals money given as aid for the Palestinians. Yasser Arafat stold billions and now his lovely wife Suha is living high on the hog Paris. How come she is not strapping on a suicide vest? If ever there was an instance of the haves exploiting the have nots, it is amongst the terrorists and their leaders

You can go along supporting that position if you want but I think it is a disservice to them and ultimately lead to more deaths than a rejection of terrorist tactics and sentiment.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 04:18 PM

Old Guy-

If Hezbollah wants civilians to be killed by Israel, in order to serve their propaganda interests, why do you suppose Israel is so stupid as to comply with this wish of Hezbollah?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 04:22 PM

If the UN decides that there was targetting of civilians--understand that to me the intentional targetting of civilians with the intent to kill them specifically--the first letter I send will be to Israel calling the IDF a bunch of fucking butchers.

However, that's to find out. I think some of you here have no bloody morals at all. You pass over intentional targetting by Hezbollah of Israeli citizens like it means nothing. For those of you who do, a pox on your house.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 04:39 PM

Obviously, Hezbollah has no morals when it comes to attacking civilians. I don't believe they ever claimed they did. Then there is also the question of whether the Hezbollah rockets could be precisely targeted, even if Hezbollah wanted to. It appears not--otherwise Hezbollah might have been more careful, for instance, not to kill the (Palestinian?) workers in the orchard in Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Peace
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 04:42 PM

I just sent an e-mail to Amnesty asking when their report about Hezbollah war crimes will be out. They were quick enough to jump on Israel. I will post their response when and if.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 09:45 PM

"my Jello Brain ex wife "

... not as dumb as you thought she was, then, eh? :-)


"I think my dad was 4F for some reason."

Seems as if there is hope for some of your descendents....


"I and another brother were 4F."

Ah - explains the 'gung-ho kill-em-all' attitude then...


"Now where are those examples of digitally altered photos from "the other side" what ever that is?"

With very skilled people, and the latest equipment - after all they are much more civilised, and richer and more technically advanced than their 'cave-squatting sheep-herding monkeys' antagonists, how would us poor ignorant uneducated slobs ever KNOW?


"What you fail to understand that if those poor Palestinians and Lebanese would forget their genocidal doctrine and join the modern world, their problems could be solved. They are their own worst enemy."

There, that step wasn't so hard was it? What you fail to understand is that they are demonstrating the same attitude as many of those whom they are 'targeting', and those cheering on their 'opponents'.

Old World - Kill-em-all
New World - Love thy enemies

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: number 6
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 10:02 PM

I also posted this link in the voice for peace in Israel thread ... but regardless it should pertain to this thread ...

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: number 6
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 10:03 PM

sorry ... here's the link.

Hassan Nasrallah is sorry


sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Old Guy
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 10:38 PM

Well the obvious reason is because their people were being killed and they wanted it stopped. They did stop it. It is up to intelligent people to see through the Hezbollah propaganda. and realize that most of those civilian casualties were the result of them using civilians and human shields.

Nasrallah:

"We do not want to...leave our homeland to Israel... Therefore, we are not interested in our own personal security. On the contrary, each of us lives his days and nights hoping more than anything to be killed for the sake of Allah. (MEMRI: Al-Manar TV , Feb. 18-19, 2005)"

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 11:05 PM

It is up to intelligent people to see through the Hezbollah propaganda.

It is up to intelligent people to see through the Israeli propaganda.

It is up to intelligent people to see through the US propaganda.

It is up to intelligent people to see through the Russian propaganda.

It is up to intelligent people to see through the Chinese propaganda.

It is up to intelligent people to see through the Korean propaganda.

It is up to intelligent people to see through the Iranian propaganda.

It is up to intelligent people ...

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: number 6
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 11:32 PM

It is up to intelligent people to realize that posting to this thread is just a waste of time.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 11:42 PM

This is a WORN thread...

Write Once, Read Never...

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Old Guy
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 11:46 PM

Nasrallah in that BBC article looks and sounds like a perfectly innocent old man that wouldn't harm a flea.

However at other times he says:

"Martyrdom operations - suicide bombings - should be exported outside Palestine. I encourage Palestinians to take suicide bombings worldwide. Don't be shy about it. (Washington Times, Dec. 6, 2002)".

"Hezbollahhas served as a role model for terror groups around the world ... Al Qaeda learned the value of choreographed violence from Hezbollah "

"put a knife in your shirt, then get close to an Israeli occupier and stab him." (Nightline, Oct. 19, 2000)"

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 07:56 AM

Better keep your mouth shut and to be thought a terrorist, than to open it and remove all doubt.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 02:13 PM

"Nasrallah's admission, vastly underplayed in the West, makes clear what the Lebanese already knew. Hezbollah may have won the propaganda war, but on the ground it lost. Badly.

True, under the inept and indecisive leadership of Ehud Olmert, Israel did miss the opportunity to militarily destroy Hezbollah and make it a non-factor in Israel's security, Lebanon's politics and Iran's foreign policy. Nonetheless, Hezbollah was seriously hurt. It lost hundreds of its best fighters. A deeply entrenched infrastructure on Israel's border is in ruins. The great hero has had to go so deep into hiding that Nasrallah has been called "the underground mullah."

Most important, Hezbollah's political gains within Lebanon during the war have proved illusory. As the dust settles, the Lebanese are furious at Hezbollah for provoking a war that brought them nothing but devastation -- and then crowing about victory amid the ruins.

The Western media were once again taken in by the mystique of the "Arab street." The mob came out to cheer Hezbollah for raining rockets on Israel -- surprise! -- and the Arab governments that had initially criticized Hezbollah went conveniently silent. Now that the mob has gone home, Hezbollah is under renewed attack -- in newspapers in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Egypt, as well as by many Lebanese, including influential Shiite academics and clan leaders. The Arabs know where their interests lie. And they do not lie with a Shiite militia that fights for Iran."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/AR2006083101444.html

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 02:14 PM

"Which is why the expected Round Two will, in fact, not happen. Hezbollah is in no position, either militarily or politically, for another round. Nasrallah's admission that the war was a mistake is an implicit pledge not to repeat it, lest he be completely finished as a Lebanese political figure.

The Lebanese know that Israel bombed easy-to-repair airport runways when it could have destroyed the new airport terminal and set Lebanon back 10 years. The Lebanese know that Israel attacked the Hezbollah TV towers when it could have pulverized Beirut's power grid, a billion-dollar reconstruction. The Lebanese know that the next time, Israel's leadership will hardly be as hesitant and restrained. Hezbollah dares not risk that next time."

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: bobad
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 03:09 PM

Yesterday's "Talk Of The Nation" program on NPR discussed the war in Lebanon from the perspective of Arab Americans. I didn't catch the entire show but one snippet I did catch was a Lebanese-American telling about how his uncle's 100 unit apartment building in Lebanon was destroyed by Israel's bombing.

The part that surprised me was that his uncle had sympathy for Israel and layed the entire blame on Hezbollah (contrary to what the propagandists have been spinning). He told about how Hezbollah set up their rockets in proximity to his apartment building and would ride up on scooters, fire them off the take off on their scooters knowing full well that the Israeli's would bomb the location and civilian structures would be hit.

I suspect that many more Lebanese have the same opinion of Hezbollah but are afraid to voice it for fear of retribution.

The program can be heard here

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 08:33 PM

As both Lebanese-American guests on the TOTN episode commented, the "Lebanese-American" caller (beginning at 17:16) pronounced "Hezbollah" in an Israeli fashion. Yanno, the one where anyone within five feet is splattered with phlegm. And he didn't even take a crack at at Mr. Siblani's last name, calling him instead "Osama I'm sorry I forgot his last name." Yeah, that dude was "Lebanese." :P

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: bobad
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 08:41 PM

That's it, shoot the messenger - if you can't refute the facts discredit the presenter - a tired old ploy.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 10:10 PM

Well, when the messenger is claiming to be Lebanese, but is clearly not, uh, yeah, I'll go ahead and "shoot" him. Nothing about him, from his name ("Babado"?!) to his pronunciation ("Chhhhhhhizbollah") to his apparent hatred of Arabs, seemed very "Lebanese," to me. And at the end, when he goes all frothy and starts babbling about... "a culture of death and murder." Typical right-wing Israeli/American bullshit. As if a Lebanese-American, with relatives who've had their properties destroyed by Israel, would use common right-wing blogspeak to describe his people.

But most impotantly, there's his claim that his uncle's properties in Beirut were used by Hezbollah to fire rockets... Rockets? Beifuckingrut? Rockets weren't being fired into Israel from Beirut. They were being fired from southern Lebanon. Beirut... The rockets they were firing don't have that kind of range. In other words, the dude was lying. Look it up, stupid.

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 06:28 AM

"But most impotantly, there's his claim that his uncle's properties in Beirut were used by Hezbollah to fire rockets... Rockets? Beifuckingrut? Rockets weren't being fired into Israel from Beirut. They were being fired from southern Lebanon. Beirut... The rockets they were firing don't have that kind of range. In other words, the dude was lying. Look it up, stupid. "


Well, having looked it up, it seems that Israel DID target missle launches from Beirut and point farther north. Hebollah and a limited number of longer range raclkets, courtesy of Iran, and threatened to use them- Remember? The destruction of those much larger missles was a top priority to the Israelis, as they threatened civilians as far from Lebanon as Tel Aviv. ( 100 KM+ range, 1200KG warheads)

So who is it that is lying?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: GUEST,Sandy Duppleburg All American.
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 06:56 AM

Thank God everything is back to normal In Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lebanon, and this weary trooper can return to the good old USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 01:32 PM

Oh, yeah. Israel targeted all sorts of things in Beirut and "point(s) farther north," GUEST, some of which it claimed were rockets and rocket launchers. And yeah, Hezbollah supposedly has some longer-range rockets that can reach Tel Aviv. But... and I'm put this in bold so you notice it... they didn't fucking launch those rockets into Israel. They launched nothing into Israel from Beirut, and no one, except you, bobad, and the similarly-named "Babado" (hmm) are claiming they did. Again, look it the fuck up. No-one.

Oh, sometimes it hurts to be stupid, doesn't it, GUEST? Especially when you out-stupid bobad.

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Peace
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 02:05 PM

The war in Lebanon and Israel got nothin' on us . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 03:59 PM

Lepus Rex has a history of supporting Islamic terrorists (not to mention his pathological hatred of America, Israel, Jews, etc.) on Mudcat that goes right back to September 11, 2001, if not before.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 03 Sep 06 - 10:35 PM

Pfft. Care to cite any examples of my Jew-hatin', pro-terrorist ways, GUEST? Yeah, didn't think so. Don't be such a fucking sore loser.

---Lepus Rex