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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: bobad Date: 04 Sep 06 - 10:59 AM New anti-Semitism From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Fischel cites the French philosopher Pierre-André Taguieff who argues, in Rising From the Muck: The New Anti-Semitism in Europe (2002), that over the last 30 years, Judenhass based on racism and nationalism has been replaced by a new form based on anti-racism and anti-nationalism, wherein "among the left, Israel has come to personify the pre-eminent apartheid state." [12] Taguieff argues that traditional anti-Jewish slogans have been merged with anti-Zionist rhetoric to create a syllogism: * Jews are all more or less crypto-Zionists. * Zionism is a form of colonialism, imperialism and racism. * Therefore Jews are colonialists, imperialists and racists, whether overt or covert. [12] Fischel argues that the widespread dissemination of these arguments has resonated with intellectuals in France and Germany, both countries with large Muslim populations. By representing Zionism as evil, "an anti-Jewish vision of the world reconstituted itself in the second half of the 20th century that replicates the vicious stereotypes about Jews which laid the propagandistic groundwork for the Holocaust." [10] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: Old Guy Date: 04 Sep 06 - 11:56 AM http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=3109 DEBKAfile Exclusive: Israeli Air Force builds up presence in Beirut skies Sunday night to pre-empt long-range Iranian-made Zelzal missile launch against Tel Aviv August 13, 2006, 11:20 PM (GMT+02:00) Our military sources report that the night before the Monday morning 0800 hours ceasefire deadline, Hizballah crews were sighted preparing to fire one of those heavy missiles which can reach central Israel and the Tel Aviv conurbation. After a brief consultation with security officials, prime minister Ehud Olmert decided not to place Tel Aviv on prior alert, although the air force aborted two Hizballah drones packed with explosives en route to Tel Aviv. One of the drones was intercepted over the Mediterranean opposite the Israeli town of Nahariya heading for Tel Aviv. A second fired from Tyre in southern Lebanon crashed into the sea shortly after its launch. Civilians of northern Israel are advised to stay in shelters Sunday night and until further notice, not to rely on the ceasefire going into effect Monday at 0800. No one knows what Hizballah will do. Sunday, Aug. 13, Hizballah fired a record barrage of 252 rockets. An elderly man was killed in Yaara, 3 civilians were seriously injured in the Haifa region, 11 in Safed and 5 in Shlomi. Five Khaibar-1 missiles hit the Beit Shean and Jezreel valleys south of Haifa. The port city and it's the bayside suburbs took a beating. Many buildings and vehicles caught fire. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: pdq Date: 04 Sep 06 - 12:31 PM When I was a kid, Lebanon was listed in text books as a Christian country. Now it is Moslem. Here are two possible explanations: 1) A those sorry li'l Christians 'saw the light' and converted to Islam. 2) The Christians were driven from Lebanon or murdered by Moslems. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: GUEST Date: 04 Sep 06 - 01:48 PM A secret document leaked by the Pentagon indicates that they have a nonviolent method to end the Middle East. Not the war, the Middle East. In a document discovered by ***** ******* just two days ago, the Pentagon has said it will be making emulsions from hogs and aerial spraying the entire Middle East. It is expected that everyone with a religion that prohibits ingesting pork will have to move elsewhere for a period of years. There is expected to be a housing crisis of a magnitude never witnessed before. If you invest in the stock market, keep your eye on hog futures. And the construction trades. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: pdq Date: 04 Sep 06 - 01:55 PM That brings a whole new meaning the the phrase "pork barrel politics". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: robomatic Date: 04 Sep 06 - 02:36 PM While we're on the subject of fake news breaks, I was listening to a year-old recording off of the radio where one of those irritating predicters of imminent disaster was being interviewed. He was displaying a lot of the mannerisms of the professional prophet of doom, but right in the middle of his argument that suitcase nukes existed, were on the market and were going to be used in the near future, he came out with: "Iran has given Hizbollah the green light to open a northern front against Israel. They have 13,000 rockets." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: Lepus Rex Date: 04 Sep 06 - 05:27 PM Bobado: So... since you're answering my posts to him/her now, can I assume that was you posting as the GUEST that was defending you in those recent exchanges with me, then? As for the content of your last post... so what? What does that have to do with me? Taguieff claims, and I'd agree to some extent, that anti-Zionist views have been co-opted by anti-"Semitic" people and groups to make their racism more palatable to a wider audience. And? Where have I ever expressed a hatred of Jews, or even Israelis? Go ahead, check. Well, as I know you're so very, very lazy, I'll save you the time: As I recall, my only comment on my wishes for the future of Israel and the Israeli's are here. And that's still my view, five years later. I wouldn't want to see a single hair on their fuzzy little heads damaged, Bobado. Sorry to disappoint. Besides, Israel barely cracks my top-five list of colonialist nations I'd like to see dismantled. If you are going to wrongly accuse me of being anti-anything, make it Chinese or Russian, please. They're tied for one and two. Again, don't be such a sore loser. Calling me a racist just because I outed you as the kind of wanker who calls into a national radio show with a false name and identity, makes some ridiculous claims, and then posts to his favourite web forum the next day about this hot young firecracker he heard on the radio, check him out, he's the future of the Middle East!!! Yeah, that's just cheap. Get over it, and back the fuck down. pdq: Really? Those are the only two ways a Muslim majority (split into three main branches) could arise in Lebanon? Not, as actually is the case in Lebanon, by Muslims, particularly those from the the poor Shi'a underclass, having a much higher birth rate than Lebanese Christians, out-breeding them since those far-distant days of your boyhood? Or could the fact that the Christian population, with their extensive contacts in the West, had more options for emigration during the civil war have anything to do with it? Yeaaaahh. I mean, fuck, dude, it's not as if Christians no longer exist in Lebanon. They're still one of the largest and most important groups (or collection of groups) in the country (note the president of Lebanon, who by law must be a Maronite), making up, like, 30-40% of the population. There's not fewer of them than when you were a kid, there's more. Their population just hasn't grown at the same rate as that of the assorted Muslims. Lebanon isn't "Muslim," and it isn't "Christian." It's a piece of land, and it's populated by both. It is now, and it was when you were young. Why are you people so willfully lazy? Why can't you look this shit up? It's all... all of it, anything you could possibly care to know, right there, on your screen, just a few clicks away. Why don't you just... try? robomatic: Dude, you're here? You should totally whip out that "Israeli Occupation of Arab Land" link again! Yanno, the one that lists Armenia and Tajikistan as "Arab Countries? That shit's classic! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: Peace Date: 04 Sep 06 - 05:30 PM Religions: Sunni Muslim 85%, Shi'a Muslim 5% From the CIA Fact Book regarding Tajikistan. Arab is the wrong term. Muslim is the right term. It happens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: bobad Date: 04 Sep 06 - 07:50 PM "As I recall, my only comment on my wishes for the future of Israel and the Israeli's are here. " From: Lepus Rex - PM Date: 01 Apr 02 - 03:19 PM "scrap the Apartheid state of Israel" From: Lepus Rex - PM Date: 21 Sep 01 - 03:00 AM "the Zionists to steal huge portions of it from the natives and set up a "Jewish State" there. " From: Lepus Rex - PM Date: 21 Sep 01 - 12:29 AM "Ultimately, Israel as we know it, like all the previous Crusader States, is doomed. " "Israel will be a "Jewish State" in the same way that Apartheid-era South Africa could have been called a "White State." From: Lepus Rex - PM Date: 20 Sep 01 - 05:21 PM "I happen to consider myself pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel," From: Lepus Rex - PM Date: 20 Sep 01 - 03:27 AM "I use 'anti-Jewish' or 'anti-Judaic,' myself." From: Lepus Rex - PM Date: 14 Sep 04 - 01:59 PM "I'm strongly anti-Israel" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: Lepus Rex Date: 04 Sep 06 - 09:35 PM Heh. Well, Bobado, for the record, the comment I linked to in my last post went like this: Subject: RE: Anti-semitic and inflammatory editorial Everything you've since quoted, or selectively quoted bits of, is in line with those statements. Yes, I oppose the existence the "Jewish state" of Israel, which I consider to be a Western colony. But never have I expressed a desire to see the people of Israel harmed, or even expelled from Palestine. The way you mis-quoted me, by the way, was despicable. Here's the actual, full quotes that you twisted, with blue clickies, which you must have "forgotten" to add to your post... 1. Bobado's Quote: "scrap the Apartheid state of Israel" Actual Quote: "(So {waving my magic wand}, scrap the Apartheid state of Israel, screw the fragmentary Palestinian 'state,' and make a new, secular state of Palestine, full of lollypops and free puppies for Jews and Arabs alike. :} )" 2. Bobado's Quote: "the Zionists to steal huge portions of it from the natives and set up a 'Jewish State' there." Actual Quote: "But... I don't think that just because "it has been the dream of Jews for two thousand years to return to Jerusalem" that it was OK for the Zionists to steal huge portions of it from the natives and set up a 'Jewish State' there. Why should the dreams of the Jews supersede those of the Palestinians? Just because some Middle-Eastern fable tells them they're God's Chosen People? Modern states shouldn't be built on folk-tales and legends, no matter how charming or influential they might be. 3 & 4. Bobado's Quotes: "Ultimately, Israel as we know it, like all the previous Crusader States, is doomed." "Israel will be a 'Jewish State' in the same way that Apartheid-era South Africa could have been called a "White State." Well, with these two, you re-quoted the post (RE: Anti-semitic and inflammatory editorial - Sep 21 2001 12:29AM) that I'd already linked to (and pasted in full, above), and you even quoted it twice, to make it look like two "anti-Semitic" comments. Which I suppose you thought was really clever. Heh. Actual Quote: See above. 5. Bobado's Quote: "I happen to consider myself pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel." Actual Quote: "Oh, really, Deda. Being pro-Palestinian is not the same as being anti-Semitic (By 'anti-Semitic,' I'm guessing you mean anti-Judaic). I happen to consider myself pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel, but also pro-Jewish. You CAN oppose the illegal occupation of Palestine without wishing harm on the civilian Jewish occupants. 6. Bobado's Quote: "I use 'anti-Jewish' or 'anti-Judaic,' myself." Trying to turn a discussion of semantics into something anti-Semitic, eh? Pfft. Actual Quote: When I say 'anti-Semitic,' it's like the title of this thread, applying to the specific Semitic group that is the focus of the anti-Semitism. It doesn't make sense to use such a broad term for just one group of Semitic people. It's like using 'anti-germanic' to single out the Icelanders. Just because the 'anti-Jewish' definition of 'anti-Semitic' is POPULAR doesn't make it correct. :) I use 'anti-Jewish' or 'anti-Judaic,' myself." 7. Bobado's Quote: "I'm strongly anti-Israel" Actual Quote: Personally, I have no desire to 'get to know' a racist like MG, and anyone who does is tainted by their association with him, IMO. But I'm glad that he's allowed to post here. I value diverse opinions, even racist ones like Martin's. Plus, since I'm strongly anti-Israel, I really enjoy the little bit of damage MG does to his own cause with every uninformed, bile-choked post. You don't even have to argue with him... Just wind him up, and watch the hate and vulgarity fly. He does all the work. :) ... You are slime, Bobado. :) And Peace: Well, yeah, lazy people make those kind of mistakes, I guess. But Armenia? That's just fucking retarded. ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: bobad Date: 04 Sep 06 - 09:38 PM Sometimes even the Bunny King must stand naked. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: Lepus Rex Date: 04 Sep 06 - 10:19 PM Dude, did you even read what I posted? You replied within three minutes of my post. Lazy, Bobado, lazy. ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: Old Guy Date: 04 Sep 06 - 11:24 PM Is Hezbollah winning or is it over? If it's over who won? They've even got the Rev pissed off at them: Jackson lectures Hezbollah on hostages BEIRUT, Lebanon, Sept. 4 (UPI) -- U.S. civil rights leader Jesse Jackson Monday urged Hezbollah officials in Lebanon to offer proof that two captured Israeli soldiers remain alive. Jackson, who has been leading a delegation representing Jewish, Muslim, Roman Catholic and Protestant groups in the Middle East, said during the meeting that proof of the soldiers' safety would allow the negotiation process for their release to begin, Ha'aretz reported. The civil rights leader said Hezbollah's continued holding of the soldiers, who were captured in a July 12 raid that triggered 34 days of heavy fighting between Israel and the group, is "becoming a magnet to attract a second round" of fighting. Jackson told reporters he hoped to receive a response from the unnamed Hezbollah officials later Monday, possibly in the form of video evidence. Meanwhile, the Egyptian newspaper Al Hayat quoted Lebanese sources as saying that Hezbollah has insisted that Israel pull all forces out of Lebanon before hostage negotiations begin. http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060904-112909-3955r |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: robomatic Date: 05 Sep 06 - 12:34 AM Just for you, dude! http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/16041.shtml There's one for every occasion, but I trust you can ferret it out for yerself, dude. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: dianavan Date: 05 Sep 06 - 12:50 AM Thank-you for bringing this to light, Lepus Rex; Amazing how words can be taken from context and turned around. bobad the troll. ...and that guy, he never gives up ...persistently stupid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: Peace Date: 05 Sep 06 - 01:40 AM Sir Walter Scott Canto Sixth I Breathes there the man, with soul so dead, Who never to himself hath said, "This is my own, my native land!" Whose heart hath ne'er within him burned, As home his footsteps he hath turned, From wandering on a foreign strand! If such there breathe, go, mark him well; For him no Minstrel raptures swell; High though his titles, proud his name, Boundless his wealth as wish can claim; Despite those titles, power, and pelf, The wretch, concentred all in self, Living, shall forfeit fair renown, And, doubly dying, shall go down To the vile dust, from whence he sprung, Unwept, unhonoured, and unsung. I would think that the Israelis feel this way, too. As do the Palestinians. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: robomatic Date: 05 Sep 06 - 01:40 AM Di-van: for lying by or on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: Lepus Rex Date: 05 Sep 06 - 06:31 AM robomatic: That's the one! Now, check out this one, which I made in under ten minutes, using the totally shitty Paint program that comes with Windows. I just snagged a map of the Arab League nations, lopped off Djibouti and Somalia, coloured Israel in red, moved some stuff around, and voi-fucking-là, a better map than you've got! In minutes! With Paint, even! Imagine what you could do, if you applied yourself! Dude! :D dianavan: Bobado the troll. :) ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Sep 06 - 10:22 AM http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/22/lebanon.rally.reut/index.html "BEIRUT, Lebanon (Reuters) -- Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah has appeared in public for the first time since a 34-day war with Israel despite Israeli threats to kill him. Nasrallah waved at supporters at a giant rally in Beirut that he called to celebrate Hizbollah's "divine victory" in the war. He was expected to address the crowd of several hundred thousand later. Organizers expect hundreds of thousands of people from across the country to attend the defiant evening rally in the Muslim Shiite southern suburbs, which were heavily bombed during the 34-day war. Such a large turnout in a country of just four million would also mark a challenge to the coalition government of Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, which includes Hezbollah but is mostly opposed to the group's Syrian and Iranian alliances. A Lebanese political source said Nasrallah would not let the risk of possible Israeli attack stop him from attending the rally. "God was generous to us and granted us this victory against our enemy. He was generous to us and gave us Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah so we come here to celebrate with him," Hussein Kaddouh, 29, from the southern village of Yater, told Reuters. "We are willing to respond to Sayyed Nasrallah's call with our blood, children and everything that we own." ..... "Hezbollah has declared it won the war which killed nearly 1,200 people in Lebanon, mostly civilians, and 157 Israelis. "I call on you all to participate in a victory rally, your victory ... in the southern suburb, the suburb of honor, glory, faith, steadfastness and victory for the whole country," Nasrallah said on Al-Manar." ..... "Under an August truce which ended the fighting, United Nations reinforcements and Lebanese army forces are deploying in the south to monitor the cease-fire and try to assert the authority of the Beirut government. But Nasrallah has said his fighters remain on the border with Israel and Hezbollah has dismissed demands that it disarm." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: Old Guy Date: 22 Sep 06 - 10:39 AM I never called you stupid, just Naive and evasive. Should I add namecalling to that list? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Sep 06 - 12:32 PM "Nasrallah: Weapons won't be surrendered AP - 50 minutes ago BEIRUT, Lebanon - Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah told hundreds of thousands of supporters Friday that his guerrillas will never surrender their weapons — including 20,000 rockets he claims his group has left after its 34-day war with Israel. "No army in the world will be able to make us drop the weapons from our hands," the black-turbaned cleric said defiantly in his first public appearance since the start of the war in July. " UN Security Council Resolution/1701 ...– full implementation of the relevant provisions of the Taif Accords, and of resolutions 1559 (2004) and 1680 (2006), that require the disarmament of all armed groups in Lebanon, so that, pursuant to the Lebanese cabinet decision of 27 July 2006, there will be no weapons or authority in Lebanon other than that of the Lebanese State; So only Israel has to comply with the UN ceasefire terms, and they do not even get the kidnapped soldiers back ( as promised)- Tell me again why Israel should trust the UN in any life-or-death matter? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Sep 06 - 12:44 PM Oh, yeah- let me see. Hezbollah starts with 12,000 rockets. Hezbollah shoots over 4,000 rockets. Hezbollah now has 20,000 rockets. UN Security Council Resolution/1701 15. Decides further that all States shall take the necessary measures to prevent, by their nationals or from their territories or using their flag vessels or aircraft: (a) The sale or supply to any entity or individual in Lebanon of arms and related materiel of all types, including weapons and ammunition, military vehicles and equipment, paramilitary equipment, and spare parts for the aforementioned, whether or not originating in their territories; and (b) The provision to any entity or individual in Lebanon of any technical training or assistance related to the provision, manufacture, maintenance or use of the items listed in subparagraph (a) above; except that these prohibitions shall not apply to arms, related material, training or assistance authorized by the Government of Lebanon or by UNIFIL as authorized in paragraph 11; |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: Old Guy Date: 22 Sep 06 - 10:30 PM Stand by for round 2. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: GUEST Date: 23 Sep 06 - 05:30 PM Yeah. Doesn't matter. Israel will get the blame. What's new. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: GUEST,Stymie Date: 09 May 08 - 10:27 AM YES THEY ARE |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: Teribus Date: 09 May 08 - 10:38 AM What the Lebanese Government wants to do is to go the UN Security Council and demand that its UNHCR Organisation disarms all militias currently present in UN Refugee Camps in Lebanon and that the UN should assists the UNHCR in the accomplishment of this aim with military force if necessary. Hezbollah are "Guests" in Lebanon and have no right whatsoever to challenge the elected Government of their host nation. I am sure that both Israel and US would only be too pleased to offer their services. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning? From: Wolfgang Date: 27 May 08 - 01:38 PM Very soon and very likely, there will be a prisoner exchange, the two Israeli soldiers against five Hezbollah prisoners in Israel. That the ratio is so low, only 5 to 2, makes it very likely that Hezbollah will return two bodies. Wolfgang |
