BS: Fuck the south

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 13 Nov 04 - 04:26 PM

Down in the South where I live, some are still fighting the Civil War. I have heard plenty about "fuck the north".

It's all funny and stupid.....but funny nonetheless.

"Interesting but stupid" from SNL.

But just think about what they are saying about the US throughout the world.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 13 Nov 04 - 01:09 PM

Not at all, Bill. I always appreciate what you post. It's thoughtful and from your heart as well as your mind.

I agree with you. I don't use expletives in abundance for the very reason you mention. Words can contain great power, and as it's become pretty clear on this thread, the use of this one really upset some people, far more than what was being expressed, or the fact that the writer was not being serious but writing ironically and sarcastically.

But as I've said to a friend, if the way someone writes shadows how it is being accepted, then the writer may well be getting in his or her own way.

In the end, I think GUEST was right. It would have been best to have passed this one along via pms, rather than for the entire community.

(PS-But I still think it's a shame that words of sex are considered so dangerous and provokative, and words of violence are often not.)

..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Nov 04 - 11:03 AM

Ellenpoly...it's not a matter of 'vile' to many of us, it's that certain words are loaded with layers of emotional meaning...whether good or bad. The society has made them useful for heightening the relevant emotion when used sparingly and in certain circumstances. If they are used willy-nilly (no, that does NOT mean "without a penis"), they lose much of their force. It's very much like cheerleading at a sports event...repetition of set phrases withvocal emphasis pumps up the crowd...but it is not what you'd do at the dinner table. "We LIKE the steak, we LIKE the steak.."

I just hate to see language diluted until there IS no way to cuss easily, or express strong sexual feelings by using words you don't use everyday....everything is a matter of context.

There...I hope that's enough boring pedantry for everyone..

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Nov 04 - 09:37 AM

Maybe you should pm this sort of thing to only those who have a sense of humor.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 13 Nov 04 - 02:10 AM

post 100, i thank you.

curry ships, the true path.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Peace
Date: 13 Nov 04 - 02:00 AM

Who's RD?

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Scoville
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 10:51 PM

I'm a liberal atheist who has lived in the South--and loved it--for 14 years (over half my life) and it didn't bother me at all. Frankly, it's nothing I haven't heard before. I hear so much anti-gay, anti-liberal, fundamentalist "Christian" rhetoric every time I turn around that a little overkill in the other direction is just a bit of fun; I don't take any of it seriously, though. I wouldn't expect this to be "informative" and I don't think it's any more offensive than any of the other election-related crap we had to listen to coming from both parties.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST,Yankee Hippy Queer
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 10:15 PM

Fuck the south with RD's dick.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 06:30 PM

I live in the South and I thought it was funny. I laughed at the KKK meeting in "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou". I think that it's an attempt to answer the arrogance of many people who live in the South who call themselves American and throw around names like Elite Liberal (which is an oxymoron) because Liberals are not rich, generally, and are in public service or educational jobs. The truly Elite are corporate tax-dodging criminally-minded Republican CEOs of large companies that are screwing their employers and now own the US. And they own Hollywood too and make movies with Arnold Gropenator, the Steroid King. And they love and use porn.

There are plenty of intelligent, Progressive, compassionate folks in the South who would probably laugh at Kendall's post too. They could see through the "reactionary" tone and know it doesn't apply to them.

The point is this, nowadays in Bushworld we are hearing his minions offer empty and stupid definitions of people they don't like and phrases which, although might incite some Pavlovian dogs down South,where I live, deserve a rebuttal in the form of an occasional rant. I don't take this diatribe seriously at all. It's not really the hate that Limbaugh and Hannity vomit out to the radio world on a daily basis.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: PoppaGator
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 04:08 PM

Anyone who found this rant so offensive that they couldn't digest the true and serious points being made: Please read this contribution from Mudcatter emjay:

thread.cfm?threadid=75453&messages=7

Entirely inoffensive, and *much* more eloquent than the above. She starts off by forwarding a copy of another person's reaction; be sure to keep reading, because she follows up with her own thoughts. That's the best part.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: kendall
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 08:34 AM

If you want to destroy an enemy, laugh at him.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 01:41 AM

LOL! I agree... well, the sentiment... I'm sure you're very pretty, but... oh, nevermind... ****!

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 01:38 AM

VILE!???

I wasn't going say anything, thinking it only right to let you folks get on arguing about whatever...

But really, when exactly did the word Fuck become Vile??

I'm am getting peeved at words being hijacked, and this one especially. Cunt is right behind it.

The very fact that words that are descriptive of the act of sex, and a term used for centuries for a woman't vagina, are being seen as Vile is utterly beyond my understanding, and acceptance.

You want to know a VILE word? I'll give you a VILE word.

KILL

Here's another one...

MAIM

And another...

TORTURE


You know, I'm with YHQ on this one...FUCK ME!

(Love from the prettiest Cunt in NW London)

..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Peace
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 01:35 AM

**** the *****

Thing is tarheel that it's gonna make it a real ***** to understand what the **** people are *******' well sayin'.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: tarheel
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 01:23 AM

wow kendal! my wife is always complaining about the crap online and also hates it when i spend so much time here,too!
then i try to let her know how much good there is on the internet and that there is also good and bad in about anything now-a-days!
so,i'm surfing here and she walks by and sees>>>>fuck the south!!!
dang,i'll never hear the end of it for awhile!
do we have to use such VILE words spelled out here in the threads?....

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 01:16 AM

I think the Dixie Chicks should get in on this thread...

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: dianavan
Date: 12 Nov 04 - 01:12 AM

I actually went back and read it again (sorta like watching a movie twice). I think its funny on many levels. Since the American public seems to like the 'good ol boy' twang of the southern hick named Bush, it makes me wonder about the next election. Maybe if the Dems put forth a candidate that learned his English on the street or in a construction pit, he might actually get elected.

The language expressed in that article conveys conviction, strength, righteousness and real emotion. Something the public craves. Most of all, it makes you feel as if you know him, personally. The writer expresses his anger and disappointment in no uncertain terms.

In Canada, both Trudeau and Chretien were well known for their crude remarks. Trudeau gave us the finger and Chretien used the word fuck. Makes them seem human, me thinks.

The American president seems devoid of feelings and is definitely not "one of us". He's so high on his horse he actually thinks God has singled him out to rid the world of Satan. Sheesh!!!

d

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 07:10 PM

39 minutes so far...

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 06:33 PM

If I was Swift, I'd be rolling in my grave. And I agree with the post that said try it with another group and see what happens. How about " Fuck The Muslims"??? Would that last ten minutes here?? Not a chance.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 04:57 PM

I thought it was great. But it was so over the top that I wasn't even really sure the writer believed himself ( or herself?) in what he was writing or was just trying to be entertaining (which it definitely was).

But at least everybody's on notice about NYC.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Peace
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 04:29 PM

Thank you. I feel better now. You devil, you.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST,Yankee Hippy Queer
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 04:24 PM

Love and kisses to all. Especially sweet little Brucie.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Peace
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 04:19 PM

Dear YHQ: You have SUCH a way with words.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Nerd
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 04:18 PM

From the 2000 Census:

On a regional basis, 54 percent of the Black population lived in the South, 19 percent lived in the Midwest, 18 percent lived in the Northeast and 10 percent lived in the West.

The region with the highest proportion of people reporting Black as a percentage of its total population was the South - 20 percent, followed by the Northeast - 12 percent, the Midwest - 11 percent, and the West - 6 percent.

So, big whoop if most black politicians come from the south...most of the black PEOPLE come from there!

But better questions would be: do 54% of the black elected politicians come from the South? Are more than 20% of the elected officials from the South black?

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST,Yankee Hippy Queer
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 04:03 PM

Fuck me, I like it.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: red_clay
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 03:57 PM

nothing could be finer than to be in carolina...in the morning...sigh!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Nerd
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 03:57 PM

Yes, GUEST, but that wasn't the question.   No one said anything about which STATE elected the most black politicians. You're just changing the terms of the question to sound more favorable for your partisan side.

The question was whether the South as a region elects more blacks than other regions.

Even this question was selected by Larry K, and it's not a very good question; since there are few blacks in Alaska or the Pacific Northwest, we wouldn't expect a lot of blacks elected from there. A better question would be: which region's cohort of black politicians compares most favorably with the size of its black population? Is there a region that elects more blacks than one would expect given their representation in the general population of the region? I don't know, and I suspect Larry K doesn't either.

Beyond that, Larry K has made the suggestion that the REASON for his unproved and possibly irrelevant assertion about the South is because the South is unusually enlightened. As I pointed out, there are other reasons why black people get elected from the South:

1) because there are a lot of Black people there (remember why that is, GUEST and LarryK? Hint: Because of the enlightened South's enjoyment of the institution of SLAVERY).

2) because it has been gerrymandered to create black districts and disenfranchise white Democrats. This is known as "cracking and packing": you crack existing districts up, then pack all the Democrats into as few majority districs as possible, distributing the rest of the Democrats into Republican districts. I don't need to look at movies about the sixties, GUEST, because the Texas Republican legislature forced through this exact kind of Gerrymandering last year. Blacks gained a seat or two, which was calculated into the plan to circumvent a challenge under the Voting Rights Act. In the meantime, Democrats will have lost six or seven seats when all of them come up for re-election.

You can read a Washington Post article on it here

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 03:48 PM

Can I ask why the South and not the North??????
Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 03:46 PM

There was no element of irony in it all, that I could discern. (Jane, up the thread)

I'd definitely say there was. Irony isn't just when you say the opposite of what you mean as a way of implying what you do mean - irony can also come into the manner in which you say it.

I'm sure the bloke writing that was feeling pretty scornful of the people who voted for Kerry, but the point was, in saying it the way he said it he was surely also making fun of that kind of rhetoric - in fact, I suspect, parodying the kind of stuff that has been coming out from the opposite direction all this time.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 03:20 PM

Um, Nerd, the fact is Mississippi has dibbies on the greatest number of black elected officials. You might want to stop getting your facts from old movies about the sixties.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Nerd
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 02:27 PM

Uh, Larry K., do you mean the majority of elected officials who are African-Americans are from the south? Would you care to supply some evidence, or are you just lobbing a worthless shitball?

One of the strategies long employed in the south (and just this past cycle in Texas) is to redistrict so that white Democrats are placed into majority Republican disctricts. Their votes will thus not contribute to the election of any candidates to legislatures or to Congress. The only Democratic districts left, then, are mostly black. The point is to make it less and less viable to be a white Democrat in the South, and to turn the Democratic party into a black ghetto. Therefore, it should not surprise us to see many local politicians, up to the House of Representatives, who are black. Their districts have been arranged to make this happen, as a way to DIVIDE whites and blacks, not to show enlightenment and a desire for Black representatives.

How about the Senate, where the whole state votes? Since the popular vote was instituted, only three Black Senators have served: one from Massachusetts and two from Illinois. (actually, Obama has yet to serve, but he has been elected from Illinois).

Previously, there had been two Black Senators, both from Mississippi, when the Senators were chosen by state legislators. Both served immediately after the Civil war, as a symbolic measure intended to smooth Mississippi's readmittance to the Union. (The first was appointed to serve out the remainder of Jefferson Davis's term!) Once everything was back to staus quo, no more blacks from the south for more than a Century!

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST,Casual Observer
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:40 PM

Sure, the author may have meant it to be funny. I don't think Ellen or Kendall have it in for anyone by sharing the site. But the author comes across as spiteful, and it just really isn't funny. Substitute any other cultural/ethnic group for South, and see what you come up with.

Jonathan Swift was a great satirist. This guy ain't no Jonathan Swift.

He also obviously hasn't traveled around much. As someone else so aptly pointed out, no part of the country has a corner on assholes.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:16 PM

Right, mack/misophist. VERY interesting link, and I too am greatly impressed to find it on a Baptist website. Nice point spotting the Jonathan Swift connection too.

Regardless of whether it's worth getting uptight over a smattering of harmless expletives, what on earth do people achieve with idiotic bowdlerisms such as "f**k", "c*nt" etc? Are they paying lip-service to some G-d (ha-ha) that's too dumb to know what's in their wicked hearts? Or is it to protect the innocence of fellow Mudcatters?

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:04 PM

Tell 'em what's up Ellen! Do I have to mention that Chopin quote again??

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:02 PM

Hey folks, blame any of your moans on ME! It's MY FAULT that Kendall began this thread. I take all the responsibility, since as I said, I had already posted it on another thread (can't remember which one, sorry) and then pm'd him to make sure he read it, because I know we have similar humour.

But gosh and golly, I do think y'all need to take a chill pill on this. Never knew the Southerners on this website were so teetchy.

It was just someone letting off steam, and all the friends I sent it to LAUGHED.

If you don't find it funny, then DON'T LAUGH.

Never mind. You all can bitch and moan. I mean, that's what this initial post was all about. Go for it.

..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 12:33 PM

"Kendall was in 'imp mode' when he started this thread. He just likes to get things stirred up occasionally,..."

Anyone else remember the infamous abortion thread and Kendall's attempt to stir things up? This is nothin'!

Now I'll go hide and watch the fur fly.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: jimmyt
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 12:03 PM

I have lived in the north, south, east and west of this country, Ohio, Washington DC, Los Angeles, Wisconsin, and Georgia. It is my observation that there are prejudiced people as well as narrow-minded partisan bigots who couldn't possibly look at things objectively everywhere I have lived, in pretty much the same ratio. There also good folks who try their best to make the world as good as they can without sitting around and bitching about things everywhere also.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: muppett
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 11:21 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: muppett
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 11:20 AM

By eck Kendall we think there's a North- South divide here in the UK, WHAT THE FCUK WITH THE WORLD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 10:47 AM

It seems to me that the majority of African American politicians are from the south.   People in the south vote for far more African Americans than in the culturally enlighted liberal Northeast.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 10:15 AM

And another...

A woman goes to the doctor.
"Doctor, I can't stop sneezing, and every time I sneeze I orgasm."
Doctor asks,
"Well, what have you tried so far to help it?"
Woman:
"Pepper."


;-D

..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Nerd
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:53 AM

Yeah, I come from a place where people use cuss words all the time. I found it funny. But I also think the points he makes are good ones--apart from the exaggeration about the Founding Fathers being northerners.

1) Republican areas that whine about federal taxes TAKE those monies, while Democratic areas supply them.

2) The founding fathers were not Christians but Deists

3) The supposed moral superiority of bible belters is a crock.

etc, etc.

Don't just read the rant. Follow the links.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:49 AM

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Peace
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:45 AM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST,Yankee Hippy Queer
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:41 AM

Man, everybody got chicken, that's what happened, man.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:32 AM

(Since we're on humour, or should be...here's one I was just sent..xx..e)


Subject: The Brothel

    The madam opened the brothel door to see a rather dignified, well
dressed good looking man in his late 40s or early 50s. "May I help you?"
she asked.

    "I want to see Natalie," the man replied.

    "Sir, Natalie is one of our most expensive ladies. Perhaps you would
prefer someone else," said the madam.

    "No. I must see Natalie," was the man's reply.

    Just then, Natalie appeared and announced to the man that she
charged $1,000 a visit. Without hesitation, the man pulled out ten one
hundred dollar bills, gave them to Natalie, and they went upstairs.
After an hour, the man calmly left.

    The next night, the same man appeared again, demanding to see
Natalie. Natalie explained that no one had ever come back two nights in
a row- too expensive - and there were no discounts. The price was still
$1,000. Again the man pulled out the money, gave it to Natalie and they
went upstairs. After an hour, he left.

    The following night the man was there again. Everyone was astounded
that he had come for the third consecutive night, but he paid Natalie
and they went upstairs.

    After their session, Natalie questioned the man. "No one has ever
used me three nights in a row. Where are you from?" she asked.

    The man replied, "South Carolina."

    "Really" she said. "I have family in South Carolina."

    "I know," the man said. "Your father died and I am your sister's
attorney. She asked me to give you your $3,000 inheritance."

    The moral of the story is that three things in life are certain:

    1. Death
    2. Taxes
    3. Being screwed by a lawyer.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST,Yankee Hippy Queer
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:24 AM

You know, this used to be a helluva good country. I can't understand what's gone wrong with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Peace
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:19 AM

Fuck the south and the east and the west,
Keep up the skeer with the rest,
Don't wear your panties when you are uptight,
They'll throttle your nuts, you'll be aching all night;

Sorry. Just noticed this thread is about how to restart the War of the Northern Aggression. Pardon me.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: Peace
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:14 AM

If you really were a Yankee, you'd be a Northern Bohemian Gay.

Subject: RE: BS: Fuck the south
From: GUEST,Yankee Hippy Queer
Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:07 AM

What'cha think we ought to do with 'em?

I don't damn know, but I don't think they'll make the parish line.