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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 27 Feb 08 - 03:10 PM I apologize for not realizing Obama was born in Hawaii. I knew he spent his childhood there, but thought it was due to a move after he was born. But as to Jim Lad's comment, "You have to be born in the U.S. to become president of that country. I'm guessing that you are not American or you would have known that." here's the appropriate section of the U.S. Constitution (Article II - Section 1): "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." The requirement for being a natural born citizen of the U.S. is that either (A) you are born on U.S. soil or (B) at least one of your parents is a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth. That would make Obama elligible regardless of where he was born as his mother was a U.S. citizen. Thousands of natural born U.S. citizens are born every year to parents who happen to be living or working abroad. As to my not being American, both my parents are U.S. citizens and I was born in the U.S. Naval Hospital at Camp Pendleton in Oceanside, California. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Peace Date: 27 Feb 08 - 02:54 PM Ralph Nader is against the workingman. He has spent lots of time over the years using the courts as a cover to deal with his friends in BIG BUSINESS. I don't know that for fact, but when ya throw shit at the wall just to see what sticks, facts themselves don't mean a fu#kin' thing, anyway. Now, I am off this thread. However, I reserve the right to smear the candidates and then justify it when and where I choose. I know many of you agree because you have demonstrated that on this thread and therefore MUST agree. BFN. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Peace Date: 27 Feb 08 - 02:47 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Peace Date: 27 Feb 08 - 02:46 PM Also, I understand that McCain is a latent heteroSEXUAL! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Peace Date: 27 Feb 08 - 02:46 PM None of the candidates have avowed that they will ensure fish is served in the White House at least once a week. Do NONE of them have any respect for people who fish for a living? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Don Firth Date: 27 Feb 08 - 02:32 PM This thread seems to be swimming in the very septic tank of American politics. PEE-YOO!! By the way, Charlie, in reference to my above post of 26 Feb 08 - 02:31 p.m., my favorite implement for the operation depicted there (my response to those who try to peddle the kind of crap that is the subject of this thread) is the "piece of cod which passeth all understanding," the wily and elusive lutefisk. A big slab of the stuff, prior to preparation for cooking of course, when it's stiff as a board! Also, I would be sure the canal is well stocked with piranhas. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Peace Date: 27 Feb 08 - 02:15 PM ) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Peace Date: 27 Feb 08 - 02:13 PM Hillary may decide that all men must get their nuts removed because then there will be no discrimination based on sex/gender. (I trust whoever is doing Bill's will watch that Monica's mouth doesn't get cut in the process. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Peace Date: 27 Feb 08 - 02:11 PM Obama may decide to enact legislation that forces ALL people, regardless of skin tone, to become Black so as to help end prejudice based on colour. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Peace Date: 27 Feb 08 - 02:08 PM The same--except different--can be said of Hillary. She married a MAN (of sorts). It is clear that she is possibly going to enact legislation that takes away the rights of lesbien people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: bobad Date: 27 Feb 08 - 02:06 PM Elect a eunuch! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Peace Date: 27 Feb 08 - 02:05 PM Obama openly ADMITS to marrying a woman. Does this then mean he denigrates the gay vote? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Amos Date: 27 Feb 08 - 02:03 PM I say, NO PENIS TASTERS IN THE OVAL ORIFICE!!! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Peace Date: 27 Feb 08 - 01:55 PM McCain has too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Peace Date: 27 Feb 08 - 01:55 PM I don't doubt that Obama has handled a penis in his life. Would you want a pervert like that to be the Leader of America? HE TOUCHED A PENIS! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Peace Date: 27 Feb 08 - 01:52 PM Hillary has, by virtue of staying married to an adulterer and thus indicating that it's OK to commit adultery (despite implying she is a God-fearing person of good moral character), wants to be President. What will happen to the Nation if it is led by a deceitful individual like her? The shame! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Peace Date: 27 Feb 08 - 01:44 PM Hillary Clinton, wife of the Blow Job King. (Fun game, huh?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Feb 08 - 01:29 PM And there's also Nasser Hussain, who captained the English national cricket team a few years back. But I don't think that would have been the intended reference either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: mg Date: 27 Feb 08 - 12:05 PM oh for heavens sakes..there was also King Hussein..why not refer to him now and then to counteract this. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Jim Lad Date: 27 Feb 08 - 11:36 AM Well I didn't hear any emphasis on his middle name but I am neither an Obama, Clinton nor McCain supporter. I am extremely impressed with Hilary, given that she is still standing after all that has been thrown at her. My choice would have been Edwards with Hilary in the second chair. Obama & McCain both scare me. Now I'll take my leave before the e-mailing starts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Amos Date: 27 Feb 08 - 11:28 AM What is wrong with you people? Is this the chosen one? What's wrong with you, Jim Lad? Of course he's not the chosen one in some mystic sense. He hasn't even finished being chosen, yet. But a lot of people are going to choose him, because he represents things they hold to be important -- clear thought, even-handed and rational dialogue, and the intention to make things work better than they do. As for just saying the guy's name, why that's no biggy, obviously -- unless there is a passive-aggressive, covert attempt to turn a simple happenstance series of phonemes into political capital by emphasizing it snidely. That seems to be the case here, and I am surprised you didn't notice it. The candidate's name, in general use, is "Barack Obama". Don't be disingenuous. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: George Papavgeris Date: 27 Feb 08 - 10:52 AM Kevin, "allophobic" = fearful of things different to the norm (allo- = another) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: harpmolly Date: 27 Feb 08 - 10:45 AM Hear, hear! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Amos Date: 27 Feb 08 - 10:38 AM This sort of emotive skewing is distortive even when it is "just the fact". It is narrow minded and hateful, and should be scorned by anyone who believes in rational dialogue, and recognized for the twisting that it is. If I sound a little warm under the collar, its because nothing makes me angrier than an intentional effort to make people react to push-button associations, blindly, instead of looking for themselves and seeing what is there. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: harpmolly Date: 27 Feb 08 - 10:34 AM Jim Lad: I'd submit that, especially in the current climate, there is a huge difference between simply "saying his name" and going around saying, "Barack HUSSEIN Obama," repeatedly stressing the middle name to emphasize the spurious relationship between his name and that of Public Enemy No. 2 (see my post above for reference to public enemy no.1). It's not the act of saying the name itself, it's the act of purposely emphasizing part of it to play on the bigotry/fears of a certain portion of the populace that I find disgusting. OK, I'm basically repeating what McGrath said. I haven't had my coffee yet, okay?!? ;) P.S. I'm no fan of the war in Iraq, but characterizing Saddam Hussein as a martyr is too stomach-turning even for me. Unfortunately I'll concede that we may have created his martyrdom for him, at least in the minds of the Iraqis. However, the fact that the U.S. did some really idiotic harm by illegally invading doesn't excuse his own horrific actions over the years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: katlaughing Date: 27 Feb 08 - 10:03 AM Every slanderous act committed by him is either ignored or excused by the masses... What slanderous acts, Jim Lad? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Greg F. Date: 27 Feb 08 - 09:54 AM I would worry seriously if I thought that I lived in a society where tricks like that can have an effect. Some advice for for ya if you live in the Good Ol' U S of A: Start worrying seriously. They can and do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Jim Lad Date: 27 Feb 08 - 06:21 AM Nope but "George Bush" would certainly shiver me dangly bits! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Feb 08 - 04:16 AM And if a candidate happened to have the unfortunate middle name "Adolf" there'd be no malevolent intent in stressing that fact repeatedly for the benefit of any Jewish voters? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Jim Lad Date: 27 Feb 08 - 03:58 AM His name is Barack Hussein Obama. Hope that doesn't offend anyone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: harpmolly Date: 27 Feb 08 - 01:50 AM :) "His name's Barack Obama, That's right--Obama, Sounds like Osama, I'm just the hundred forty-seven millionth person to have made that idiotic point!" --Roy Zimmerman, "Eine Kleine Barackmusic" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 27 Feb 08 - 12:49 AM Oops. Of course, I meant "deframtoya" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 27 Feb 08 - 12:47 AM How could Bee-dubya-ell be offended by that? The only proper response is "HUH?" Now, Jim Lad. Can you honestly say that Mr. Cunningham's comments were *not* intended as defamatroy - even if Hussein really is Obama's middle name. It's a bit like calling a black man who has a nephew "Uncle Tom", and then saying "Well, he *is* an Uncle Tom!" to anyone who is offended. But, perhaps if you are not American, you will not understand that one. (Hint - if you ignore the intent, and defend only the literal meaning of everything, you are likely to not understand a lot...no matter what country you are from) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Jim Lad Date: 27 Feb 08 - 12:37 AM "Nevermind that Obama was born in Africa and "Hussein" is one of the most common male names in many Arab countries and parts of Africa." You know: Bee-dubya-ell... don't be offended by this. It's not my intention but I totally missed this earlier. What people believe about this man and whatever piece of misinformation they use to justify supporting him, very often has about as much substance to it than that statement. You have to be born in the U.S. to become president of that country. I'm guessing that you are not American or you would have known that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Jim Lad Date: 27 Feb 08 - 12:28 AM To some, the "More infamous bearer of the same name" was a national leader & martyr who was driven to the ground by a foreign nation and hanged for his oil. What amazes me is that Barack Hussein Obama has risen so rapidly in the minds of Americans (with a great deal of help from the media) that every media outlet feels the need to jump to his aid every time there is even a hint of an insult tossed his way. Every slanderous act committed by him is either ignored or excused by the masses & his political opponent in the same party is demonized. Now, you can't even say his name. Shouldn't that make you afraid? At what point do you say "Wait a minute"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Kent Davis Date: 27 Feb 08 - 12:04 AM I agree with your point, Bee-dubya-ell, but Obama was not born in Africa. He was born in Hawaii. Kent |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 26 Feb 08 - 08:54 PM Perhaps irishenglish should have used a different word besides "remarks". The gist of the issue is that the radio show host was blatantly emphasizing Obama's middle name, "Hussein", intending to establish a totally spurious connection between him and a more infamous bearer of the same name. Nevermind that Obama was born in Africa and "Hussein" is one of the most common male names in many Arab countries and parts of Africa. No matter whom one might support in the election, attempting to get mileage from the purely coincidental fact that a candidate shares a part of his name with an unsavory character is hitting below the belt. If someone happened to be named "Bush" or "Kennedy", but was unrelated to the famous families baering those names, would it be fair for an announcer to place undue emphasis on that part of their names in an attempt to create the impression of a connection that doesn't exist? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Charley Noble Date: 26 Feb 08 - 08:47 PM Hopefully there will be enough said during the primary campaign that the regular voters will be innoculated. It's really a tough job for some to think through what someone will say, and realize that it's relatively innocuous but in the context of NATIONAL SECURITY TERRORISM explosive. I also tend to go defensive at this point when someone mentions Muslims, or even Liberals. We're being played big time. What a world to live in. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 26 Feb 08 - 08:46 PM My bet is that FOX News is in on this one. They get to repeatedly show Obama in an outfit that they know their basebots will see as proving that he really *is* muslim, and as a bonus twofer, they get to blame Hillary for pulling a "Clintonista" dirty trick (while showing the picture again). All the while seizing the false high ground by mildly disapproving of the whole flap. It's just like the Obama-went-to-a-madrassa propaganda trick they pulled. They got to report that "some say" he went to a madrassa (whilst showing side-by-side pictures of a madrassa and a young Obama), and report that "some say" that the Clinton campaign was behind the rumor, and act disapproving of the whole thing while they push it relentlessly. They are master of tricks Goebbels would be envious of. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Jim Lad Date: 26 Feb 08 - 08:14 PM "he did not approve of those remarks" What remarks? So determined are these folks that they have deified his name before he even wins the nomination. Wouldn't the British media just be all over this if a candidate was so adored that the unwashed dare not speak his name? What absolute and utter stupidity! Mind you there are a few former Celtic players, worthy of such status. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 26 Feb 08 - 08:00 PM "Allophobic" is a new one on me, and my dictionary - am I right to take it it means about the same as xenophobic. I'm not quite so sure that we live in a society in England where variants on this wouldn't actually have an effect in some elections. Though I think the more dominent effect would that people would see the candidate in the odd costume as a bit ridiculous. (As in that picture of Prince Charles - and the thing is from his expression he knows perfectly well that people are going to see it as funny). I don't think that would be just because the costume was foreign. I'm sure that a photo of Gordon Brown in Highland costume would get the same reaction. Or even more so if he dressed as a Morris Dancer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: George Papavgeris Date: 26 Feb 08 - 05:51 PM I would worry seriously if I thought that I lived in a society where tricks like that can have an effect. Salem wouldn't seem to be that far under the skin. Or at least there seem to be some people who think so, and who believe that they can exploit the gullible and allophobic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: irishenglish Date: 26 Feb 08 - 05:29 PM Bill Cunningham, the conserevative talk radio host, kept saying Barack Hussein Obama this, and Barack Hussein Obama that. Kudos to McCain for jumping on this and saying he did not approve of those remarks. (Yes, I'm sure some campaign staffer told him to, but still) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Jim Lad Date: 26 Feb 08 - 05:23 PM John McCain had to apologize because someone at his rally said Obama's full name! He just said his name! Didn't even draw a cartoon! What is wrong with you people? Is this the chosen one? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 26 Feb 08 - 04:06 PM Here's a not dissimilar picture of Prince Charles And here is not too dissimilar one of Dubya and a friend |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 26 Feb 08 - 04:05 PM I don't think Hillary Clinton is responsible. She's too smart and calculating to not realize that such a ploy stands at least as good a chance of backfiring as working. Smear tactics like that work on Bubba and Jim Bob, but guess what? Bubba and Jim Bob aren't going to vote for either Obama or Clinton! They'll just drink their beers until November and vote for McCain. But note that I said I don't think Hillary Clinton is responsible. She has a husband who has exhibited a tendency to think with parts of his anatomy other than his brain on several occasions. I wouldn't be surprised to find he's behind this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Charley Noble Date: 26 Feb 08 - 04:04 PM Don- What was that fish? Looked like a cod to me. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Victor in Mapperton Date: 26 Feb 08 - 04:03 PM Guy up in court over here in UK today calls himself "Osama bin London". Read on the BBC. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Emma B Date: 26 Feb 08 - 03:58 PM link (click) Not a 'Muslim garb' at all but the dress of a Somali 'elder' However who released this photo with its 'negative' overtones in a Islamophobic atmosphere is the real 'story' I suppose :( |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama bin Laden???... From: Wesley S Date: 26 Feb 08 - 03:50 PM So what's the story? Details please..... |
