BS: Troopergate, anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 10:54 AM

In an Alaska radio interview, Palin asserts that up is down and black is white. She says she is very pleased to be cleared of any legal wrong doing (when she was not) and calls it a partisan circus when it was 10 Republicans and 4 Democrats who made up the Legislative council, and that calling Monegan a "rogue" is a GOOD thing.
"Palin: Rogue isn't a negative term"

At one point, the radio interviewer has to ask her, "Have you READ the whole report?"

Radio interview transcript here:
Through the Looking Glass With Sarah Palin.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 10:44 AM

In actuality, McGrath, you can shoot a moose or catch a salmon or halibut for someone else (at least, if you yourself already have a license in your own right) but you have to have a 'proxy' license. It's done all the time in Alaska for people who are housebound.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 10:02 AM

That's rank speciesism, Richard.
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One odd thing that's emerged is this law in Alaska that even if you've got a licence to murder a moose, it becomes a crime if you have your husband or wife pull the trigger for you. Surely that goes clean against the institution of marriage, and the principle that husband and wife are one person, and undermines the entire institution of marriage?

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 08:36 AM

I wouldn't take a moose out to a film or for a dinner date unless it wore lipstick.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 08:18 AM

Most former Presidents have been more intent on taking out the inhabitants of other countries than on taking out moose!!

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 06:08 AM

What lives some people lead. tazer guns and taking mooses...!
they don't have stuff like that on Due South.

Do you take this moose to be your lawful wedded.....

Vice President though? Second in charge of the world...you can't be serious.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 03:25 AM

Wow!..you are for Kucinich?? So you must see through Obama's bullshit, too!....ok..

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 03:08 AM

No, I actually am still a Kucinich supporter. But I also am campaigning against McCain. And to do that, I find it useful to counter the lies that McCain supporters (like the above poster) are so liberally spreading around about Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 03:02 AM

And by the way, there have not been any accusations against Obama in connection with Tony Rezko


oh yeah???????...and the others, too?????...but it wouldn't bother you in the least anyway. Your blind support of this guy, is not based on anything..but blindness......(Perception Dysfunction)

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 02:47 AM

And by the way, there have not been any accusations against Obama in connection with Tony Rezko.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 02:45 AM

Doesn't matter what it will or won't rise to. People can decide for themselves whether or not they want someone who abuses their power in office and violates the public trust to be their next vice president and possibly president. Stuff like that actually matters, as we have learned from people like Richard Nixon and Dick Cheney.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 02:36 AM

Look, I'm not a supporter of McCain/Palin...but the trooper gate nonsense never can of will rise to Rezko, Raines, Howard, Johnson Obama, Barney Frank, and Dodd,Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, Acorn and all the crap that goes with it...if you're going to ride a high horse, ride it all the way. By the way, there is also McCain/Keating thing that got swept under the rug, as well.
Don't you ju8st love these guys???

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 02:33 AM

Sometimes I get the impression that somebody around here is practicing to be a cartoon.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 01:03 AM

Whoops!

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 01:02 AM

"heroine? heroine? My, my, times have changed. Purdy soon everybody will be trying to get in.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:25 PM

They're able to get heroine and crank into prison; they ought to be able to get instructions out.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 05:19 PM

"run by Tony Rezko" - Rig, do you have your tinfoil hat on? Maybe you need to make it a double layer of tinfoil.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 04:08 PM

Rig-
Do you really want to find out? I think we've had enough of unlawful, arrogant Veeps over the past eight years. Or did you like Cheyney?

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 03:58 PM

Hoefully, she'll get elected so we can find out. It certainly beats having a White House being run by Tony Rezko from prison.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 03:37 PM

Can you imagine Todd First Dude Palin working behind the scenes of Vice President Palin (or, horrors, President Palin) like he has done in the Alaska governor's office? yikes

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 12:22 PM

I have to say, Wooten definitely comes across as the more sympathetic character in all of this.

The Palins and their surrogates are making it look like Wooten tasered his stepson in anger, rather than what happened, which is that the kid kept pestering Wooten to let him find out what it felt like, and Wooten only using a training taser when he obliged. It was a pretty stupid thing to do, but it's incredibly dishonest and a character assassination to make it look like it was done in an abusive manner.

And the moose thing, also. Wooten's wife at the time (Sarah Palin's sister) had the license to take a moose. A moose was taken, but it was Wooten who fired the shot. That may not be legal, but it's hardly the same thing as poaching, and I can imagine that even a trooper might not know the legality in such a circumstance. And if Palin really thought that Wooten should be punished for doing that, she wouldn't have helped him eat the moose, and then wait three years to seek justice.

It looks to me like Sarah and Tod Palin thought that Sarah's getting elected governor meant that they could behave like little emperors, and everyone had to bow down to them and submit to whatever they wanted. That's definitely not someone I want serving as vice president or president of this country. We've had too many of those already.

The more I learn about both Sarah and Todd Palin, the more slimy they appear.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 12:00 PM

"ohhhhh SO SORRY....HE TASERED HIM!!! He was being thoughtful by not using mace??...so he used a taser???????????????????????????...on a ten year old child??????????!!!!!!!! He should be in jail!...and the huge crime of talking about a family involved matter with your husband????? String her up and crucify her!! This is absolutely MORONIC!!!!!!!!!! ...and so is anyone making such a big f*****g issue of it!!!" Guest

lol This reminds me mightily of when my brother in law railed at his wife about the dangerous stupidity of something she had done. "You could have been killed! We wouldn't have known where to look for you! What would you think if one of our kids did that!" On and on

"If I did that, you'd never hear let me hear the last of it!" he said.

She said, Well, what about you? Are you going to let me hear the last of it?

He said, primly, Didn't say a word.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 11:50 AM

Politicians in power tend to be arrogant. That's a fact. NOT an excuse.
If a governor (or vice-president or president) can't be bothered with obeying the laws--and this includes ignoring subpoenas and using the power of the office the browbeat others for personal or political reasons--he/she should be impeached.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 11:24 AM

Wooten's behavior was dealt with through the proper channels and he is remorseful. The case was closed but the Palin's wanted to get their personal grudge involved in politics. Guest, you're barking up the wrong tree. Wooten paid the price for what he did. Now Palin needs to take responsibility for what she did wrong, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 11:22 AM

We have courts for dealing with people who break the law. It's not the governor's job to dispense justice. That's what the courts are for.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 11:20 AM

Was it legal or illegal to shoot the moose???...was not knowing(which is bullshit} excuse for breaking the law??....that a cop really DID know about??? Come on??????????? Betcha' dollars for doughnuts he's arrested poachers for the same thing! This is politically spun nonsense!

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 11:20 AM

If Wooten should have been in jail, there are legal ways of accomplishing that. Breaking the law and abusing the public trust wasn't the right way for Palin to deal with that issue. But what it shows us is that Palin is not the kind of politician she wants us to believe she is.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 11:15 AM

"Wooten says he did not know it was illegal to shoot the moose for Molly."

Or, that it was wrong, stupid, or illegal to taser a child....

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 11:15 AM

Watch the videos.

When you were a kid did you ever put a flashlight battery to your tongue? That's what Wooten's son wanted to experience and did. Was it dumb, yes. Was it really being 'tasered'? NO.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 11:13 AM

Wooten's dad addresses what happened to his son in Alaska.
The moose hunt? Sarah's sister Molly had the moose tag, her husband at the time, Wooten, shot the moose, took it to Sarah Palin's father, who cut it up and gave shares of the moose to the family (including Sarah and Todd). Wooten says he did not know it was illegal to shoot the moose for Molly.

You tube interview of trooper Wooten's father:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voN0R8zuVeU

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 11:12 AM

ohhhhh SO SORRY....HE TASERED HIM!!! He was being thoughtful by not using mace??...so he used a taser???????????????????????????...on a ten year old child??????????!!!!!!!! He should be in jail!...and the huge crime of talking about a family involved matter with your husband????? String her up and crucify her!! This is absolutely MORONIC!!!!!!!!!! ...and so is anyone making such a big f*****g issue of it!!!
!

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 11:05 AM

To set the record straight:

See and hear Trooper Wooten's interview on CNN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXj_xxRr50E

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 10:30 AM

Just for the record: It was not mace the trooper shot his stepson with, GtS. Let's keep it factual.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 10:15 AM

...and it's probably not an impeachable offense, but it does make it impossible for Palin to position herself as an ethical and honest politician, a "new" politician, while making accusations about Obama's trustworthiness.

It is also possible that there can be some consequences for her officially as governor, and it could effect her ability to get elected for another term as governor, should she not become vice president.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 10:07 AM

She committed abuses of power, not because she fired Monegan. Not even because of the way she fired Monegan. She had every right to do that, and the report says so unequivocally. She abused the public trust, and committed abuses of power because she used her official capacity as governor to apply pressure to state employees for personal gain, in particular, in allowing her husband to use her office and state resources in order to apply pressure to state employees for personal gain, which is against Alaska law (the personal gain being revenge in a family dispute).

They are saying that had she really been concerned about her safety and the safety of her family, she wouldn't have discontinued her personal security detail.

This debunks many of the claims being made by the Palins and being repeated by people like one of the posters in this thread...

http://www.andrewhalcro.com/comment/reply/1028

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:58 AM

The headlines all read "ABUSE OF HER POWERS AS GOVERNOR" but the McCain Campaign finds solace (if that's the appropriate word) in the bipartisan committee's other finding that as Governor she could fire her public safety commissioner at will, no particular reason being required.

So I would conclude the findings are embarrassing but not impeachable. However, the findings also undercut Palin's "moral authority" to criticize Obama. Tough titty!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:44 AM

From: CamiSu
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:38 AM

"....it must be in the way badly behaving celebrities are interesting, and I don't find such people terribly interesting."

CamiSu

I find the candidates pretty f*****g boring, myself. They are bullshit artists, and the public is their canvas.....but you love it that way!

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: CamiSu
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:38 AM

If that were happening to a child there would be charges being filed. Firing his superior is certainly the wrong way to go about it, and puts some doubt into the whole mess. Seems more like solving the problem the way she wanted to because she could do. Abuse of power and then dissembling about it.

And if she is more interesting, it must be in the way badly behaving celebrities are interesting, and I don't find such people terribly interesting.

CamiSu

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:33 AM

Is Rezco blowing the whistle on Oblabbo??

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:31 AM

Yeah, but now that she's learned that lesson, she'll go on to make a great Vice President.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:28 AM

Yeah Rig, you might be right...she should have had HIM arrested and thrown in the can, for assault on a minor, and HIS abuse of power under color of authority!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:17 AM

GfS - Yeah, you're probably right about that, but there's a right and a wrong way to do it. Sarah Palin tried to take short cuts, probably with good reasons, but she shouldn't have done that as governor.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:11 AM

The idiot/moron had every reason to be fired, and if your relation's child was sprayed with mace, by a stupid, drunken cop, and he was a subordinate, you'd do the same thing!!...fire his sorry ass..and right now!!!
Much ado about absolutely nothing!!!..Being whipped up, because of sorry politics....Jeeez, get over it.
But, I guess, one thing......she is more interesting, and seems to garner more attention, than McCain, or Obama-yo-mama,..the two criminals running for president!!

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Deckman
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 02:55 AM

Early on I predicted that "troopergate" would rise up and bite her in the ass! OUCH!

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 12:25 AM

It's so stupid of them to cry foul when it was a bipartisan committee who found she abused her powers. One of the things they cited was her letting Todd use her office, telephone, and contacts to harass other workers about the BIL they were trying to get fired.

Isn't there a law about running for office if you're a slimeball who has abused your powers, etc.? If there isn't, there oughta be, esp. if oyu all incite hate speech! Maybe Hugh Hefner would like her to replace his last bunny.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 11:39 PM

This turn of events should give John McCain a new insight into the US economy, seeing as how both it and his campaign are now equally in the toilet.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 11:20 PM

Interesting, innit, how ever since Nixon the GOP has been trying to claim that the Executive Branch can do no wrong? And that the Republican-dominated state legislature is somehow in cahoots with Obama to persecute poor Sarah?

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 09:42 PM

Link to the report:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/10/troopergate-report-full-t_n_133806.html



From Bloomberg
Violation of the ethics act could result in sanctions, such as a fine, by a state ethics board, lawmakers said.

Members of the Legislative Council voted 12-0 to release the report even though there wasn't agreement on the findings, lawmakers said.

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 09:29 PM

Walt Monegan will be interviewed live on Rachel Madow show now.
Link to video clips:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/

Subject: RE: BS: Troopergate, anyone?
From: Alice
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 09:26 PM

The finding is the "impermissable pressure was placed on subordinates" advanced by the governor, Todd Palin, and governor's staff pressure was placed repeatedly on Monegan and that was the abuse of her power.

The investigation pointed out that she dismissed her security, so the basis for her idea that Wooten was a threat to her family did not make sense. If he really was a threat, then she would not have dismissed her security.

Details of the report will be interesting to see as they come out.