info pls: 60s music & spirituality

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: sixtieschick
Date: 02 Jan 05 - 06:00 PM

Lyrics to "Crucifixion" by Phil Ochs:

http://lyrics.duble.com/P/philochslyrics/philochscrucifixionlyrics.htm

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Pauline L
Date: 02 Jan 05 - 04:54 PM

"To a nightmare of knowledge he opens up the gate
And a blinding revelation is laid upon his plate
That beneath the greatest love is a hurricane of hate
And God help the critic of the dawn."

These lyrics by Phil Ochs were quoted earlier in this thread. I'm not familiar with this song, but I love what I've read here. Can anybody tell me the name of the song and show me where I can find the complete lyrics?

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST,The End
Date: 02 Jan 05 - 04:56 AM

I was reading the thing about Strange Days and it brought to mind the fact that I'd heard The Doors were touring again with Ian Astbury taking the Lizard Kings place.And I wondered if anybody out there in Mudcatland had seen them play anywhere? Or if anyone had seen the original band back when Mr Mojo was rising? I have all the albums and have read Noone Here Gets Out Alive several times as well as seen the Oliver Stone film so I guess I must be a bit of an afficianado. My preference is for LA Woman although the first album is a stunning debut.I'd be happy to hear from any like minded Peace Frogs.

I'll Take it As It Comes.

The End.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jan 05 - 01:28 AM

Sorry to disappoint, but no, he isn't alive & I haven't spoken with that friend in over 20 years.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: sixtieschick
Date: 01 Jan 05 - 04:08 PM

PS To Guest: Is your friend's father still alive? If not, does your friend remember more details of the making of that album cover? I would love to write or talk with them about it. Please: Make my New Year's Day and join mudcat so you can send me a personal message if it is possible to contact either one. Thanks!

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: sixtieschick
Date: 01 Jan 05 - 04:00 PM

Guest, thanks for that story about the cover of "Strange Days." That's a great little piece of history.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jan 05 - 12:28 PM

In fact, I believe Patti Smith stole that slide down the mic stand style from LK, didn't she?

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jan 05 - 12:19 PM

Loved him. Didn't have much of a dance style beyond stagger and collapse though, did he? Sort of slid down the mic stand...

Growing up, one of my good friend's dad was art director for Elektra Records, and he (LK) wanted to do the photo shoot for the "People Are Strange" album cover with about a million dogs. So his kids recruited all their friends with dogs (we had a beautiful collie at the time named King, in fact) to appear at a certain park on a certain day, at an appointed hour, and...

No LK. Talk about your dog days...

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: sixtieschick
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 04:47 PM

I adored Phil Ochs AND James Brown, "the hardest working man in show biz." Brown gave his own social commentary in "(Say it Loud) I'm Black and I'm Proud." That was a positive message for the times.

As for kings of rock, let's raise a glass of non-alcoholic something to the memory of the Lizard King.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Belly
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 04:26 PM

Sidewinder- or the shuffler!
Whilst doing the JB jig do you include assault and battery in the name of spirituality?

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 02:26 PM

Art, thank you for mentioning the Jim & Jean cover of "Crucifixion," which is an old favorite.

I'm aware of the song's overt reference to John Kennedy and his assasination but keep hearing more in it. Isn't that possible, in the way that the Book of Job is about more than Job, or Oedipus Rex is about more than Oedipus? We write tales of kings and heroes, but they resonate beyond their particular lives.

I dug this bit up from the Phil Ochs Web site:

Phil was also quoted (on 15-Dec-1965) as saying this about the song: "It's a song about Christ-killing, how all America and even, especially, New York loves to create heroes to moralize to them and then kill them violently, bloodily and dig the death so much, every detail of the death. It's a song about Jesus Christ. It's called The Crucifixion. It's a song about Kennedy. And maybe a song about Dylan." (In an interview a few months earlier, Phil expressed the belief that it would soon be too dangerous for Dylan to play out in public because he had become one of those heroes.)

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Peace
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 01:06 PM

LOL. OK, you are IT. Indeed.

Regards back to ya.

Bruce

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST,Sidewinder
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 01:00 PM

Was he doing the good Lords' bidding by any chance?

Regards.

Sidewinder.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Peace
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 12:42 PM

LOL. You named him. It's a quote from the first track on the first album he did after a ten-year break from music. Now I ask you, "WHAT was he doing during the ten years he was away from music?"

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST,Sidewinder
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 12:36 PM

As a devotee and long time student of Rock 'N' Roll I have come across several cases in quotes were the demi god in question claimed to be "The King of Rock and Roll". Little Richard has asserted thus, and so has Jerry Lee Lewis and of course Solomon Burke still tours with this statement as a poster headline I believe.Chuck Berry laid a valid claim not so long back, and Bill Haley was the first person to be dubbed TKOR&R others included Gene Vincent and Johnny Otis and Fats Domino. I don't remember the Aretha Franklin quote but if the answers is not one of the afore mentioned then I would be surprised if James Brown or Elvis had been so churlish as to profer the quote.But I am sure you will put us out of our misery Bruce -you always do.

Best Wishes

Sidewinder.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Peace
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 12:21 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Azizi
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 12:12 PM

Thanks, Brucie. I'll check it out.

But is this a secret? Oh, I get it.

You're trying to see who can guess the right answer...

Okay, I'll play along.

But I need to correct that quote from Muddy Waters. He says
"I'm the King" not "I the King."

Back at ya!

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Peace
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 11:59 AM

Hi, Azizi. Happy New Year to you, buddy. I'll message the answer to you now. Later.

Bruce

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Azizi
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 11:55 AM

Well, I'm not sure which musical giant you are quoting, Brucie, but...

In a book I have on African American music, there's an album cover with a photo of Johnny Otis and the caption underneath says "The King of Rock n Roll."

And then there's {King} Soloman Burke.

Not to mention Nat King Cole...

And Muddy Waters asserts that "I the king" in a number of his songs-but-sorry, you did limit this to Rock n roll, didn't you?

And as for the "James Brown shuffle", in spite of what the Hardest Working Man in Show Business, Mr. Dynamite, Soul Brother# 1 has done before during or since, he will always be remembered by me with gratitude for his 1968 record- "Black Is Beautiful:Say It Loud: I'm Black and I'm Proud."

People needed to hear that message then and still need to hear it now.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 09:58 AM

Thinking about it some more, the early 60's was also when I still attended church, and the old, sacred choral works done by the choir in many ways expressed my visions of the early-60's heaven. In later years, exposure to the sitar through Ravi Shankar and the Beatles made me aware of other colors in the universe, other views of the spirit. That, and being young and idealist and questing, perhaps contributed to the demise of my appreciation of church choirs and the early 60's religion in which I had been brought up.

Today, I again appreciate old-fashioned church music, although it now has a mountain flavor and a more primitive sound. But I also consider a performance of Handel's Messiah part of the Christmas celebration, part of my continuing spiritual exploration.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Peace
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 09:37 AM

So that makes me a very odd guy out. I like Ochs and Zimmerman and Krauss and Prine and so-so about Chapman.

And to quote anothe giant:

"Aretha Franklin is the Queen of Soul,
But who wanna be the Queen when you're the King of Rock n Roll,
And I'm the King."

Tell me who said THAT, muh man. Then I know you know what you know, you know?

Your cousin brucie.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST,Sidewinder
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 09:28 AM

Belly - Does this mean I've found a like-minded person with an ear for the finer musical diversions such as Alison Krauss and John Prine and Tracy Chapman and The Manic Street Preachers? Or are you gonna try and convert me to Phil Ochs and Mr.Zimmerman? I do try and shuffle like James Brown but far less gracefully than the man himself.

Happy New Year

Sidewinder.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Belly
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 09:06 AM

You people should all take a look at "The 60's was crap" Thread simular arguments but more people involved

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Belly
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 09:00 AM

Never seen you dance Do you do the james brown shuffle

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST,Sidewinder
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 08:54 AM

Am I on my own when I put forth the view that "I feel good -I knew that I would" is far more poignant than any Phil Ochs "I've read Tennyson and Yeates, Byron and Shelley, and this is what I came up with" pretencious poppycock. Also, bear in my mind; you can dance to the James Brown track - what a winner!

Happy New Year.

Sidewinder.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 31 Dec 04 - 01:15 AM

That particular Phil Ochs song was about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy---and not much else. There are straight out, even if rather oblique, descriptions of the events there. There are poetic and thoughtful looks into those events too. For many it was the loss of innocense. Phil saw the big TV extravaganza coverage of the assassination became. He likened it to bullfighting. Think of all that amazing imagery in the context of that happening. It all fits like a glove.

"And do you have a picture of the pain?" -- Phil Ochs

The best recording of this song was by Jim Glover (Phil's roomy at Ohio State U.)and his then wife Jean. Phil's own record of it was way too bizarre, druggy and just about unlistenable.

Art

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 11:46 PM

In the words from the Phil Ochs song,

"To a nightmare of knowledge he opens up the gate
And a blinding revelation is laid upon his plate
That beneath the greatest love is a hurricane of hate
And God help the critic of the dawn."

Suppose that in the 60s, a blinding relevation was laid upon our plate; I mean, there was a real spiritual outreach from the hidden depths of things? But being callow youths, we flailed around and more or less didn't get it? If we can look at it this way, maybe we can get a sense of a 60s spirituality free of self-congratulation and can account for what went wrong.

"Beneath the greatest love is a hurricane of hate"--what does that line mean to any of you, and do you have a sense of where it lead?

A writer in one of the old underground newspapers spoke of Orpheus, the musician--that Orpheus would come and go into and out of the world, and that was beyond our power to control, but that people who kept singing his melodies would be better prepared for his eventual return.

I wrote earlier mentioning the Pearls Before Swine song "Another Time"--Tom Rapp said in a much later interview that when he wrote it he was smoking nothing but Winstons; this is more evidence that there was some mystery behind the era. Drugs had something to do with it, but they can't explain it.

Let me try this blue clicky thing--I found a copy of the PBS song here FYI.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 09:39 AM

And still no discussion of free love! What a sham!

Well, after 100 posts about 60s music and spirituality, with NO discussion of sex, I'm outta here.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Leadfingers
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 07:41 AM

Oh and by the way -- 1oo !!

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Leadfingers
Date: 30 Dec 04 - 07:41 AM

It always seemed to me that there was a lot of 'Pseudo' spirituality
knocking around in the late sixties , most of it ties up with drug use. And YES I can remember the sixties and YES I was there keeping the Bolshevik whores (or was it hordes) out .

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 10:53 PM

I seem to recall thinking as I came of age in 1968, that I was living through pretty horrific times. Race riots, political assassinations, lynchings and murders, the war, American students being assassinated by our government...

And that was just my sophomore through senior year in high school.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 07:44 PM

I'm itching to leap into this discussion but hesitant because of all the anger and hostility. Having lived through the 60s I hear some valid points from both sides of the fray, especially as regards the idealism and nostalgia, but also the destruction and hypocrisy.

Anyway, music has always accompanied (perhaps inspired) some spiritual dimension for me, did then, continues to do so now. My music then tended toward solid lyrics, good musicianship, harmony. Groups like CSN, The Byrds, Beatles, Buffalo Springfield. And as it turns out, my music today tends toward solid lyrics, good musicianship, harmony. Groups like Nashville Bluegrass Band, King Wilkie, Seldom Scene, Ralph Stanley. Music is often a part of my experience of spirituality and continually demonstrates to me the beauty of the universe. This greatly helps during ugly times like now.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST,Sidewinder
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 07:34 PM

Keep Sparring guys but keep it dignified there's no need for ill feeling at this feast of friends and opinionated souls - god bless em all.

Best Regards

Sidewinder.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST,Sidewinder
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 07:16 PM

We are all entitled to our opinions, and let's face it, that's all they are,and how boring this would be if we all agreed that James Brown is far better than Bob Dylan (fact) and Kerouac, in his own way, sought to disappoint his readership with every new book he published. I was trying to think of something positive to say about Donovan but I am far too narcisistic for that. We explore the past with the same blinkers that stop us from being truly objective, a curse of the televisual generations - we are spoonfed pretty, vuccuous, plastic pictures (and people) and are guided through life with visceral contempt. As Jim Morrison said to an adoring audience in Miami,"Wake up! you're all slaves" and as they clapped and cheered I wonder if he thought; they had all missed the point he was making? Jims problem was adulation comes with no strings attached and the 60s better illuminated this flaw in the human condition than any other era.You could get fat, bald and wasted and still get laid just because you were on stage with Jimi, Janis and CSN&Y - now there's real insight for you.

Happy New Year.

Sidewinder.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Peace
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 07:10 PM

"That sort of mutual admiration from somebody who walked the walk then and continues to walk the walk now, is plenty good enough for me."

As it should be, GUEST. I too have received and given that sort of reception form and to people regardless of the walk they walked.

So far from you all I've seen is the talk you've talked. That's good if that's all you want to do. No complaint from me. It's your attacks on people I don't care for at all. They were uncalled for. If this thread bothers you so much, leave it alone. Start one of your own telling the world how the spiritual side of the sixties, the music of the sixties, the whatever of the sixties was a load of crap. There, you'll be able to speak with like-minded people and have a good time. Here, you're just an annoyance. Very much a troll. You seem like those idiots who wera white sheets to cover their faces. That's what the GUEST tag does for you. Like, who's gonna give credence to someone who wants the world to believe his words--but is too ashamed of them to state his name?

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 06:59 PM

I truly don't care if any of you thinks I'm wrong, because I don't need the approval of the herd here.

I also find it pretty odd that only one other person besides myself has mentioned the Farm, the Diggers, and the very few people who actually were doing something to bring about social change, instead of just leaping on the Fillmore bandwagon and getting stoned.

Peter Coyote came to spend the night at my house a few years back, arriving after a long delayed flight around midnight. As we all stood around in the kitchen getting (re)acquainted after many years and meeting again for the first time, we asked him if wanted something to eat, we had left overs from dinner, etc etc. He just smiled at us and says "you can always tell who the old timers are--they always bring you in the kitchen and make sure you aren't going hungry."

That sort of mutual admiration from somebody who walked the walk then and continues to walk the walk now, is plenty good enough for me.

And certainly a damn site better than "I was so much older then..." cliches from 60s flower children reminiscing about how spiritual they all were back in their day.

My daughter & three of her cousins and a number of our family friends' kids have all been to Wavy Gravy's clown camp over the years too.

So what?

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Peace
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 06:50 PM

'but I'll be damned if I'll offer it up to you just because you rudely demanded "proof".'

GUEST: I didn't demand i proof. I simply did waht any decent poker player does from time to time. He calls someone he suspects of bluffing. That's not rude, do you think?

Sidewinder,

No disrespect back, but my thoughts are the result of my experience. I accept that you disagree with me. Long as you don't start BS like the other guy, "we gonna get along jus' fine." OK?

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 06:28 PM

Knowing that GUEST is wrong is good enough for me.

Art

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 06:22 PM

And take your 60s spirituality with you.

Amen.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST,Sidewinder
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 06:14 PM

I go away for a few hours and miss the fireworks - just my luck! Having recently struck up a few differences of opinions in recent days myself; I must say GUEST you seem to be one of my kind. No disrespect to Bruce and Poppagator et al. but your arguments for the 60s Golden Age are rather flogging a dead horse (sorry for lapsing in the vernacular but it's late). Let's be more aware of the fact that George Harrison visited Haight Ashbury and said it was "like the Bowery, full of doped up spotty dropouts who just wanted to get wasted". Forgive me for being less than enthusiastic about such a hyped symbolic representation of 60s culture. Go back and read about the Civil Rights Movement and Social and Economic Change in the 1960s and I don't believe Jerry Garcia merits a mention. The rose tinted granny glasses surely must be replaced with Raybans someday.

May Your God Go With You.

Sidewinder.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Metchosin
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 05:59 PM

We are starlight, we are golden and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden......

You didn't "get it" Guest; I was not referring to Hindu spirituality etc., IMO, that was more associated with the 70's despite George Harrison's inclinations. I'm inclined to agree with Art Theime, those of the 60s didn't go out on a spiritual quest, but searched for some philosophy or honesty to try to counteract the highly materialistic, conformity driven, hypocritical, sick, stifling culture of the 50's.....

And they're all made out of ticky tacky, and they all look just the same...

The first inkling that I had that I wasn't totally an oddball to feel so uncomfortable in my skin when I dared question stuff in the early 60's, was when I read Simone de Beauvoir's the Second Sex and Rachel Carson's Silent Spring and when I realized that the fallout shelter under the school which I attended, was only designated for local politicians and civil defense coordinators and that we, the young, the supposed light of the new generation, were considered expendable to fry above.

It was that kind of search and those kind of authors amongst others, that brought about a paradigm shift in the mentality of some and the music reflected it.

Each generation has it's own "stars", paradigm shifts and questions the previous generation and it is right and good.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: PoppaGator
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 05:40 PM

In the words of Hugh Romney (Wavy Gravy):

May the Baby Jesus open your mind and shut your mouth!

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Peace
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 05:12 PM

OK, bye bye then.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 05:07 PM

No but it would require a cuple of hours worth of pulling together the information from a variety of web and print sources. I'm a librarian, I know where the information is, but I'll be damned if I'll offer it up to you just because you rudely demanded "proof".

You want to believe the 60s was the most special era in the history of the fucking modern world, go for it. But it won't change my mind about the lot of you being a bunch of hippy dippy flakes, still living in your youthful romantic fantasies.

Hey--why not grow the fuck up now? Our children really don't want to hear how you got down with the Dead at the Fillmore, and what a spiritual moment it was for you.

NEWS FLASH--we don't give a shit.

But good luck with the book about how special you all are, and how special your time in the sun was.

I'll wait to see the movie when it comes out, thanks.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Peace
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 04:47 PM

You said that all the US demographic studies supported your position. I'm just askin' where the studies are? Not a hard question. If there are no studies that support your position, as there are none that support mine (because for instance is not proof), then you are voicing an opinion just like the rest of us. I understand that in the heat of debate--that which it seems you are in with anyone who isn't you--can result in the situation you're in right now. You have hoisted yourself on your own petard. Now, be nice and play nicely with all the folks around you. WE LOVE YOU. PEACE.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 04:40 PM

Only those who came of age in the 60s believe (nostalgically, of course) that "their time" was better than all other times for coming of age. Just like our parents nostalgically look back upon their pre and post WWII youth, like our kids will nostalgically look back upon theirs as "the golden age".

There is nothing new under the sun with people claiming they grew up and came of age in a golden time that was more special than any other.

Apparently the idea of changing youth demographics is way beyond your grasp brucie. Many more young people are travelling, especially internationally, today than travelled throughout the entire decade of the 1960s, when most people had never even flown on an airplane. Add the mobility of young people based upon the readily accessible mass transit systems in many places, their access to cars and credit cards, and it quickly becomes apparent that the number of young souls trekking the planet on their quests is much, much higher today than was the case in the 60s.

But hey, I seem to be deadlocked with a bunch of folks stuck in their memories of 60s youthful spiritual questing, so I yield the floor to all of you. Have at it, all you SPECIAL gentle souls you.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: MojoBanjo
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 04:24 PM

GUEST is a troll.

Reasons Why the 1960s Were Better Than Today
    -- by Brian Robertson

Face it. The 1960s may not have been the zenith of human potential and development, but it kicked aside this era, the first decade of this century. In no particular order, here are a few of the reasons why.

(1) The only people who didn't get laid in the 60s were either Young Republicans or had been cremated.

(2) FM radio.

(3) People knew an immoral, supid war when they saw one.

(4) No AIDS. (See #1)

(5) Three people standing together in one place for longer than a minute were friends. Longer than two minutes, they were a band.

(6) You got to wear all the vintage clothes you could stand up in.

(7) Albums sounded better than cds, had far better cover art, and cost 7 - 8 times less money to own.

(8) You actually waited for the next Beatles album.

(9) Johnny Carson had The Tonight Show.

(10) Take a look at Gracie Slick then and now and then you tell me.


MojoBanjo

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: Peace
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 04:20 PM

Hell, GUEST, I'll address sex and gender issues with you. However, first I wanna see what ya got, ya know? So, answer this from me--a response to a post you made earlier. Because mostly I wanna see if yer fulla beans and just a troll or if ya might have something goin' for you.

Date: 29 Dec 04 - 02:31 PM

I find that difficult to believe, GUEST.

All kids in the sixties were not part of the sixties so-called counter culture. I think that statement is your opinion which you are surely welcome to, but if it is indeed fact, would you kindly post the US demographic studies of the flower children that you speak of?

Thank you.

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 04:00 PM

Or is this really just a reunion for the 60s groupies in the Haight? Is that the group we are talking about here? You know, those glam gals who lived vicariously through their sexual encounters with the A, B, and C list 60s music celebrities they could latch themselves onto maybe?

Were you a groupie back in the day 60sschtick?

Subject: RE: info pls: 60s music & spirituality
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Dec 04 - 03:52 PM

And those who "got it" (as this thread demonstrates) are self-preening, smug, self-righteous "spiritual" prats.

How many of your "tribe" sixtiesschtick, are still living under their Hindu Sadhu banner, hmmmmm?

And of course, EVERYONE knows the Hindu world is truly much more enlightened than us hedonist westerners who were only in it for the sex, drugs, rock and roll, don't we?

Like I said, why no discussion of sex and gender issues here in this safe, sanitized conversation about the 60s?