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BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!

GUEST,pete from seven stars link 03 Jan 12 - 12:57 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 12:57 PM

hi -its the "fool" checking in
children certainly can be impressionable and i think thats evident from the way so many accept evolutionism despite no evidence for abiogenesis,no proven change of one animal to another and the complexity of the once thought simple cell.neither are they told of the large number of darwin doubters among scientists who have not towed the party line.
Its a pity i.m the only YEC creationist here and i dont know if i shall continue stoking your antagonism/mockery.maybe i should just leave you to bolster up your faith position unopposed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 12:53 PM

I think both the Ten COmmandments and the Bill of Rights need a serious, intelligent revisitation. Clarifying the Senior Policies By Which MEn Shall Live Together is a very good idea indeed.

We know it can work--just look at all the positive effects derived from these two sets of maxims. Why, most of our difficulties come from the parts which were badly or ambiguously designed!!

As for those who think science should mix with religion, I suggest they try mixing chocolate milk with brown shoe polish, instead. At least it will constrain the damage.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 12:53 PM

"But isn't any non-literal interpretation way too subjective to be of any real use?"

It is the rigidly literal interpretation that is of utterly NO use, if the original text was not intended literally. Religious adepts in the various mystery schools that existed in ancient times were accustomed to finding the allegorical and metaphorical meanings in sacred texts. It was almost like a code that only the initiated fully understood. Common people back then mostly were illiterate. The texts were not intended to be interpreted by the common people (who probably did take them literally if they heard them). They were intended to be interpreted by trained iniatiates in sacred traditions.

If the writing is allegorical and symbolic, then one must attempt to understand it in a non-literal way to get anything useful from it. One must ask questions, think, analyze, think some more, follow intution, and find the best interpretation one is capable of.

There's no guarantee that your interpretation will be the right one or the best one. But at least you tried! That's better than being a literal-minded doofus and not trying at all.

"Who chooses which bit is to be taken literally and which is allegorical?"

Each thinking person chooses that for himself. That's intellectual freedom.

"Who decides what's relevant to the modern world and what's not?"

You do. Or I do. It's up to each one of us to decide for ourselves.

"Or perhaps it's some sort of free-for-all of divine revelation where everyone believes what bits they want?"

Yeah, everyone does believe what they want. Of course. The question is, what DO they want? If they want harmony and love, then that's what they'll look for. If they want discord, battle, condemnation, punishment, and victory, then that's what they'll look for.

Which of those paths do you think is the wisest? You choose. I choose. Every one of us chooses which bed we're going to lie in. The ancient texts are a guide...but no one can guarantee that a guide will be followed well or badly, can they? It isn't the guide that determines that, it's the nature of the one following the guide.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: GUEST,Shining Wit
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 12:01 PM

But isn't any non-literal interpretation way too subjective to be of any real use? In the case of interpreting the Bible, we are so far removed from the context in which it was written much of the actual meaning must be lost. Certainly the interpretation of most allegorical passages could well be well wide of the mark - the original writers were desert tribesmen living in a massively different world.

If you're reading Beowulf in the modern translated version with no knowledge of the original language with all it's subtleties and wordplay can you really be said to understand the finer points of what the poet was trying to say on a particular subject? Were they joking? Being serious? Perhaps they was referring to some cultural trope which was common at the time of writing but has been long lost? Even with the translation (say of the King James version; the definitive English language translation) much of the symbolism 'translated' (added?) by the translator will be lost as our culture evolves (if you don't believe me, go and stand in front of a Pre-Raphelite painting, write down what it says to you and the read the interpretation given by the painters or contemporaries themselves - you'd be surprised how different they will be and they're not that far removed from us in the timeline of human history).

I'm always intrigued by the interpretation of religious texts. Who chooses which bit is to be taken literally and which is allegorical? Who decides what's relevant to the modern world and what's not? Or perhaps it's some sort of free-for-all of divine revelation where everyone believes what bits they want?


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 11:27 AM

Beautifully said, Bee-Dub. We can learn a great deal from ancient myths...and from ancient religious texts...if we are not so foolish as to take them literally.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Ed T
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 11:20 AM

""They can't stop me, even if they stopped me"" Lil Wayne quote


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 10:16 AM

"metaphysically constipated "....I like that!

There was once some graffiti on the wall of the men's room in the Methodist Student Union and the Univ. of Kansas... it asked:

"Can a metaphysician be sued for malpractice?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 10:05 AM

Can't we just go to New Hampshire and all those places trying to teach "Creation Science"...

Won't work, Jack- you're trying to counteract/influence lunacy with rational thought.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 09:16 AM

Myths exist as tools by which wisdom is transferred. They are metaphorical frameworks for metaphysical exploration and investigation. They're to be ponderd, analysed, interpreted, and transcended, not accepted at face value. Insisting that a myth is literally true is a metaphysical dead-end. It's like a pilgrim coming across a signpost that points the way to wisdom and enlightenment, and deciding to worship the signpost instead of attempting to get to the place toward which the sign is pointing. It's a foolish practice which does disservice to a myth's underlying wisdom by making it look foolish as well. The wisdom of Genesis has suffered greatly at the hands of metaphysically constipated Christian fundamentalists.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 08:42 AM

Hmm. And how does one treat a "fool"? Who decides who is "a fool" and who isn't? It's a matter of opinion, isn't it? After all, one man's wisdom is another man's folly...it all depends on whose opinion you consult about it.

I've known any number of people who believed in various things I don't believe in...but I didn't necessarily regard them as fools for that. I usually regarded them not as fools, but as people who had grown up in different familial or cultural surroundings than mine, and therefore they had developed different ideas about things.

In any case, if you openly treat another person as "a fool", it's likely that he (not thinking of himself as a fool) will get angry. He'll retaliate in some way. He'll probably start treating you as a fool. And then you'll get angry.

Where does that end? I think we've seen historically where it ends, and it's not a nice place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 07:55 AM

If people teach folly they should be treated as fools. Irrespective of age.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: GUEST,Shining Wit
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 06:34 AM

Arrrgghhh! Still asleep after the break! 'twas I above.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 06:34 AM

. . . Yaweh, Osiris, Odin or The Great Turtle.

We are the universe made conscious, a far more profound thought that needs no explanation that science doesn't currently provide. This just the beginning of the scientific age. It's going to get a whole load more incredible yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: GUEST,Shining Wit
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 06:30 AM

"The scientific evidence, which was put into the universe for humanity to find, by God, if you believe God created everything, says the following... (insert entire science text here) The last paragraph would be "Belief in God is not necessary for the examination and use of this knowledge."

Not right. In no way should science be associated with the work of any deity. You can associate them if you want but science stands alone from God, Allah,


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 05:20 AM

School boards are elected here. Presumably they are following the will of the people. My suggestion is the only way we can preserve democracy and remain competitive. But I am not suggesting that the children should be calling the board members insane and laughing at them behind their backs. They should be taught to respect the person without regard to that persons beliefs. They should learn that no one is perfect and that it is not acceptable to grow up snickering at one's elders. Especially if they are Christian, but even if they are not they should learn to "Judge not, lest they be judged."   I am suggesting that they get the data, presented as information in such a way that even if they do graduate believing in a "young earth" that they still are able to do science and technology work.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Musket
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 04:17 AM

Hello Sailor!

I take your last point but as children are impressionable, and there is a need for authority to be respected when you are a child, (as training to question it appropriately as an adult, but I digress...) Is't it incumbent on the school board not to put it forward in the first place rather than prompt children to take a view on the sanity of the elected school board?

There are times when the wishes of a school board have to be be implemented rather than examined, so surely the best route is to ensure they act responsibly in the first place.

We have faith schools in The UK, and whilst the statistics add up to better achievement than those run by the local authorities, I suspect that is due to better discipline rather than teaching fairy stories as fact. Science is on the curriculum and whilst there may still be a few renegade teachers out there, we put religious education in a religious education class and Darwin in a science class.

That said, one of my teachers didn't believe in dinosaurs and claimed there was more evidence for the existence of Jesus than Hitler. I respected him as an adult figure, (but we called him Larry Gooseneck behind his back,) but I recall even as a child, dismissing his silly fundamentalist viewpoints.

(Now there's something. I recall being told that he moved to The USA where he became a preacher. But there again, many preachers come from the villages around here; The Wesleys, William Brewster, Peverill to name a few. Obviously if it is something in the water, I didn't drink enough...


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Jan 12 - 12:51 AM

Look its pretty simple. You put the following as the first paragraph in every science text. "Your elected school board believes the following..(then spell out what they believe.)"   The second paragraph would be the following. "The scientific evidence, which was put into the universe for humanity to find, by God, if you believe God created everything, says the following... (insert entire science text here) The last paragraph would be "Belief in God is not necessary for the examination and use of this knowledge."


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 11:24 PM

I had very little beer on New Year's eve. I've been making up for it tonight. I agree with all you said, LH. However, I think many are subsumed by #1. Whatdya think?


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 11:19 PM

NO!!!!!!!!!

It is not.

But that won't stop us. ;-)


999 - Good commandment.

I would add:

Thou shalt be truthful.

Thou shalt make war no more, not upon any excuse (this applies to those who start wars, specially in the case of those who are far better armed than the country they attack)(and it specially applies to those who bomb or INVADE the territory of another nation with the clear intent to conquer it.)

Thou shalt cease violence against thine own citizenry (in the case of governments), thy neighbours, and thy family.

Thou shalt not steal.

Thou shalt not engage in fraudulent activity.

Thou shalt not value money above brotherhood.

Thou shalt not charge the sick or injured for needed medical care.

Thou shalt not profit off the suffering of one's fellow beings, but shall seek solutions that benefit and profit all members of the community.

Thou shalt reward great accomplishments with promotions...with public honors...and with great respect...but NOT with money or material gain. (this was the method used to motivate people in the fictional society imagined by Gene Roddenberry in the Star Trek show...and it's a brilliantly intelligent way of organizing and motivating a society. There was no money in that society, no bankers, no loan sharks, and no poverty either.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 07:40 PM

"Thou shalt not be an asshole"

Good advice for all to heed, except for the field of humour. Sometimes it takes "a humourous asshole approach" to through humour to bring folks back to reality-to lead them to take a close look at what they propose/preach and how they treat the personal views of others, that are likely no better or worse than those they hold :)

BTW, gnu, expect humour when you see the name Ali G. Since you do not seem to like his type of humour, I expect you will pass it by).

If "asshole statement was in all the holy books and preached by those who have "found the light", with or without a diety.These folks have found something that works for them personally. Great stuff. But, acting like assholes with others, who have found something different that works for them, is really being a big asshole.

I am not pointing at anyone here in the last paragraph. But, does anyone really expect to read something new in Mudcat that has not been said before in the many religious posts about God, or a no God?

Maybe it will happen? But, I am not optimistic. It is more likely that someone may see something that was said before in the merry-go-round, that may seem new?


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 07:36 PM

Well, LH, taking into account my good friend Gnu's suggestion, may I suggest

1) Thou shalt be nice to everyone


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: gnu
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 07:16 PM

I got one.

1. Thou shalt not be an asshole.

Any need for any more?

And, yes, I know, I know.

But, of course, I know there will be more. I just hope they are more humourous than my suggestion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 07:04 PM

I agree with you, gnu, we are all God...in manifestation...whether we know it or not...and so is everything else. But that's just too cosmic for a lot of people. They start making those "doo-doo...doo-doo..." twilight zone sounds and they freak out and start using absuive terms like "mumbo-jumbo", and the whole conversation turns to shit from that point on.

We certainly don't want that happening, do we? ;-D So let's just pretend you didn't say it and I didn't agree...

****

999 - Sounds like a hell of a plan to me! I'm with ya. But yer gonna have to do the whole forty days in the desert for real, man. Too much likelihood of trouble somewhere down the line if you don't. What've you got figured for the new 10 Commandments?


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 06:56 PM

Seems very logical that we all see humour differently, as we see many things differently. What is one persons "trash", is another persons treasure:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: gnu
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 06:45 PM

How disgusting. I watched over half of that to see if anyone was gonna say to the piece of trash what I would have said to him. Humour? Not in my books.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 06:31 PM

Ali G on Science


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: gnu
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 06:31 PM

"Men wrote all of them".

But, you are God. We are God.. if we choose to be in the sense that we extend a hand to all others... love thy neighbour and all that.

God is in every one of us. We are one. Unfortunately, far too many choose to ignore the common good and think only of themselves. I understand that. Hedge your bets and don't let the other guy fuck you over on accounta he will if he gets the chance... best to either fuck him over first or pile up enough firepower to fuck him over if he tries to take your stuff. And we need our stuff.

I view God as a goal, not a deity. The deity only exists in the minds of SOME men (yeah, I mean humans... womenz too).

Is that cracked?


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 06:25 PM

I'm working on a new set of religious books right now, LH.

First, there will be a revelation (OK, I need a desert to wander in, so I was thinking about Alberta's badlands). After forty-ish days and nights--I was thinking about maybe a few hours and then bullshi##ing the rest--I'd smoke a jay and have a visitation. From that we'd do up a new ten commandments. You with me on this or not? I know you don't smoke, so I'll describe what is revealed to me to you and then we figure out how to market it. Is that a plan or what?

Think BIG picture here. TV stations, radio shows, ads in newspapers, all to the greater glory.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Ed T
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 06:13 PM

Why did dogs not write any "good books? 'cause they have dirty mouths, and left it up to humans to spread the good words.

Dogs vs Humans


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 06:13 PM

hmmmppff...I'll bet the dachshund doesn't need a private appointment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 06:09 PM

I'm just having some fun, Amos. For enlightenment, you must secure a private appointment...and bring mucho dinero! (grin)

Note: I am all booked up right through March 31. Try for early in April, okay?


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 06:02 PM

You're not being very enlightening, Hawkster!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 05:55 PM

Hey! Don't blame God for the Bible, folks. God didn't write the Bible. A large number of men wrote it. Further large numbers of men in Rome and Constantinople decided which books to include in it and which books to censor out of it. The latter were termed the Apocryha. Some of them contain some very interesting material.

Then you have the ancient Hindu scriptures, the Muslim scriptures, the old Jewish scriptures, the Buddhist scriptures, the Gnostic Gospels, the Taoist scriptures, the Popul Voh (Mayan scriptures), etc....holy books from many traditions, some very ancient, some more modern.

Men wrote all of them (although, a few may have been written by women too). A number of those traditions (but not all of them) say that God directly inspired the writings and that they are "the Word of God". That's a matter of opinion, and it's unprovable either way.

But don't blame it on God, okay? God didn't do it. People did. (And I'm not saying God doesn't exist...I'm just saying that people wrote all those books.)

As I'm sure you know...


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: gnu
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 04:57 PM

Yech.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 04:21 PM

"Hours are long. Wages are pitiful. But sweatshops are the symptom, not the cause, of shocking global poverty. Workers go there voluntarily, which means—hard as it is to believe—that whatever their alternatives are, they are worse. They stay there, too; turnover rates of multinational-owned factories are low, because conditions and pay, while bad, are better than those in factories run by local firms. And even a local company is likely to pay better than trying to earn money without a job: running an illegal street stall, working as a prostitute, or combing reeking landfills in cities like Manila to find recyclable goods." ― Tim Harford, The Undercover Economist


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 02:59 PM

Especially fishing, Bruce.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 02:45 PM

If God played golf or went fishing, he'd/she'd lie as often as the rest of us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Paul Burke
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 02:19 PM

The intellectual decline of creationists in the last hundred and fifty years is highlighted by the reception of Gosse's book when it was published. In those pre- Origin of Species days, the response of the religious world was almost as horrified as that later given to Darwin. The omphalos theory proclaims God as a liar, tempting his people into sin, a concept theologically impossible then. For the modern young- Earth fundamentalist, any tool or trick from misrepresentation of evidence, through ad- hominem attacks, to the lie direct is acceptable if it can gain a tactical advantage; there is no concept of honour or morality.

The theory itself is of course rubbish (despite its author's good intentions- and he was an important scientist) as it could be used to support any arbitrary assertion. If God can lie in one matter, why not others?


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 02:13 PM

You can see my last and first post on the YEC thread on THIS thread:


Date: 02 Jan 12 - 02:10 PM

I fail to see what an individual's belief in a supreme being has to do with anyone else. Basically, people have a right to their beliefs. That doesn't give them the right to tell me about it.

When proselytizing people come to my door I politely ask them to leave. If they don't, I tell them to leave. If they still don't, I start talking in tongues. Religious, political and other.

Yer gabbit shafling corderum ragables fernucormun. BEASTS! FORNICATORS!

I get very very few second visits.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 02:09 PM

See my last post on the YEC thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 01:56 PM

See my last post on the YEC thread......


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 01:51 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again. All theories are not created equal. People who teach children stupid theories are child abusers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 01:33 PM

Doesn't this happen anyway?


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: GUEST,michaelr
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 01:17 PM

Religion is like a penis.
It's fine to have one. It's fine to be proud of it.
But please don't take it our in public and wave it around.
And don't try to shove it down my children's throat!


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 01:09 PM

"Everyone is entitled to believe any theory they wish ...."

You're getting very close to "fire in a crowded theater" here, Eliza.

They may be allowed to think it as long as

1. IT DOES NO HARM TO OTHER CITIZENS WHO CHOOSE NOT TO BELIEVE IT.

2. THEY DO NOT ENDEAVOR TO FORCE THEIR IDIOTIC BELIEFS ON OTHERS.

3. IT DOES NOT RESULT IN DIRECT HARM TO OTHERS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Amos
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 01:00 PM

In the dark, one crock of shit smells about the same as another.

Better to light one candle than to stand about in a cloud of unknowing smelling horse manure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 12:54 PM

Jack the Sailor: You're referring to the Omphalos hypothesis. I wrote a brief summary of it in a thread called Bible question back in October, 2000.

Little Hawk: The Omphalos hypothesis, as expressed by Philip Henry Gosse, includes a thoughtful theological answer to your question "Why would God create misleading evidence?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 12:35 PM

No, Little Hawk, it is all a test of faith.

Then I have no issue with the YECs. Sure it was made a few thousand years ago, but it was made to Look As If, and we can study what it looks as if. Like evolution, plate tectonics, and so on.

If you believe what you see, you fail the test of faith.

If you believe your sacred text in the face of all that evidence, you pass.

However, it is only those of us who fail who will get to find out if we were wrong!


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 12:25 PM

Did you hear the one about . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Young Earth Creationism Eureka!
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 02 Jan 12 - 12:23 PM

Everyone is entitled to believe any theory they wish and to follow any religion they subscribe to. The problem I have is with the indoctrination of children, whose minds are not mature enough to form unbiased conclusions, as adults would. As long as ones beliefs do no harm to others (and that's a tall order) one should be left in peace to pursue them, and treated with respect by others. But if one teaches children that all was created at once, and even to infer that it is evil and a sin to believe otherwise, one is guilty of keeping from their young minds the scientific evidence which most of the world now accepts. However, to teach that, for example, Jesus is our Saviour or Jehovah is the One God etc etc could be viewed as similar indoctrination of children. Maybe all these tenets should be left until people are deemed old enough to assess, accept or reject them for themselves.


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