BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 03:57 PM

So the dumbing down of Texas textbooks was done by anti-tea-party forces? After all the tea partiers are all about being smarter.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jun 10 - 12:06 AM

Yes, but at the time, that's where the smart kids sat.

             But seriously, I guy just came out with a book--I ordered it, it's not political, and so far I've just skimmed through it--but the name of it is "Why Boys Can't Learn." It has a lot to say about changes that have been made in public schools, and sheds some light on why boys are dropping out of school at such high rates.

             Mistakes have been made.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 10:09 PM

It sounds to me like you may have been in the front of the room, Rig.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 09:50 PM

"...Ya' throw in the towel on educatin' people and now these uneducated people are voting in the morons who are runnin' the show."


               Can't argue with that, but it's not all about money. Remember the "busing" fiasco, then we got "affirmative action," "title nine," and they started screwing around with curriculum to drive down boy's math scores. So the only people who could succeed were folks who were good at running-off-at-the-mouth; the smart kids learned to sit at the back of the room and keep their mouths shut. Now we got a government full of those mouthy idiots and look at the shape.

               I'm not a tea party member, and I don't agree with a lot of what they're about, but smart kids being able to succeed is part of what the tea party movement is trying to bring back.

               The Democrats have Alvin Greene!

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 12:37 PM

...as well as 2012...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 12:36 PM

Yeah, Kinky Friedman would have made a great governor... Not too sure why the Dems didn't get on board 'cuase a party needs people like Kinky... I mean, he can go out and say things that the Dems are thinkin' but are afraid to say and a party bneeds folks like that... Heck, the Repubs have a bunch of folks like that... Congressman Wilson, Congressman Barton... These guys say and do the dumbest things that the Repubs think but can't say...

Kinky Friedman for President in 1012!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,mandatory8
Date: 20 Jun 10 - 05:05 AM

what are you implying about state flags, when you make statements like the ones above? The Scottish rebels were defeated by the English in the 1700s, so now you're a backwater hick if you fly the Scottish flag? or should it just be removed from the Union Jack altogether?
That sounds like a bunch of old women complaining about a teenage girl in a short skirt, seems like there's way more important things to worry about. South Carolina has its problems, but its got nothing on any other state. Kinky Friedman took a pretty good shot at unseating Governor "39%" Perry, what did the Democratic party do? They smeared him and helped reelect the most pathetic, corrupt governor in Texas since the governor right before him.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 11:05 PM

I'm gonna assume that that last post was Rigs... No matter.... Seems whereever you are there is lots of evidence that alot of tax dollars, federal, sate or local, are being wasted by friggin' morons... Hey we got 'um right here in Page Co., Va...

I mean, they spend $2M fir property to build their new office complex on but don't bother to do a "study period" and end up writing a check for $2M for, ahhhhhh, flood plane land and they can't buld on it??? Then, to top that, they buy a piece of property that is owned by the richest family in the county, the Graves, fir 4 times it's value without a single public hearing...

But, and this is a bigass BUT, this is what ya'll get... Ya' throw in the towel on educatin' people and now these uneducated people are voting in the morons who are runnin' the show...

...kinda like the the inmates runnin' the joint....

Welcome to America (next empire to implode...)...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 09:46 PM

Yup. Blind anti-tax, no government, Tea-Bagger nonsense is an equal opportunity corn-holer.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 09:33 PM

Bobert - Southern Oregon was rural, then Ronald Reagan drove the timber industry out, and those folks were replaced by retirees from California. It's so ant-tax now they can't aford to fix a pot-hole in a street, but it doesn't seem to have the racial histroy that the south has.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 09:09 PM

"What the Republicans gain by this outcome is that neither they nor DeMint have to spend any money on the fall election, so they can spend that money elsewhere - such as trying to unseat Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid."

An outcome fervently to be hoped for, both. And you can throw in Barbara Boxer, too.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 08:47 PM

Okee-dokee, Eb... I got the piccure... Worse than South Carolina... Hmmmmmm??? hard to do but, hey???

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 08:28 PM

Well, Bobert, I would let Rig answer that question except that our answers would be markedly different. Southern Oregon is not South Carolina but - Suffice it to say that if white supremicists were to move into the valley it would scarcely be noticeable.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 08:03 PM

What southern Oregon like??? South Carolina???

Maybe I ask my son next time I talk with him... He's in Portland and says that eberyone there is purdy liberal... Except in ma & pa in law which are fundamental Pentacostals???

As for Green??? The truth will come out... I know how Southerners think... They think they can get away with just about anything until they are caught and, in this case, the crooks will be caught...

Anyone heard Green yet on the TV??? I think the man is a mental midget... I'd use the retard word but some folks get all huffy when I use it but if there was ever a time to use it it would be in describing this guy...

But, hey, Demint v. The Retard??? Hey, I'd hasve to vote fir The Retard...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 02:43 PM

lol

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 02:39 PM

Yes, there's the "real" Oregon, and then there's them folks what live up around Eugene and Portland.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 02:26 PM

Rig, make that southern Oregon- there is a difference, you know.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 01:33 PM

I'm from Oregon, and it's all right with me if they want to throw Jeff Merkley out.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional pri
From: Genie
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 12:18 AM

I'm reluctant to endorse any sweeping "throw-the-baby-out-with-the-bath-water" call such as "throw out all the incumbents."
There are some very competent, responsible, honest, and dedicated members of Congress, such as Bernie Sanders, Russ Feingold, Jeff Merkley, and Dennis Kucinich. (There are probably a couple Republicans too. I just don't follow them as closely.).

One thing's for sure: If we throw out all the incumbents, the newly elected ones will be even more surely and securely owned by the big corporations, because no one else will have the huge financial backing it takes to get elected now (since the SCOTUS decision in Citizens United).

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 11:36 PM

Bobert - I'm not a Republican, but what happened in South Carolina seems benign to me compared to Harry Reid buying his political opponent in Nevada. Personally, I hope all the incumbents lose their jobs.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 08:13 PM

RIGS = Republican In Great Standing...

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 07:56 PM

It would have been a well spent ten thousand bucks then.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional pri
From: Genie
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 06:45 PM

Ebbie, I seriously doubt that alphabetical placement would account for the overwhelming majority of the "votes" that Greene got, especially when his opponent did have some name recognition. Rawl is a former four-term state lawmaker Vic Rawl. That should make for enough name recognition in HIS OWN district to compensate a lot for ordinal position on the ballot.

DougR, you say there's "no sign of fraud yet?" Get serious. First, there's the huge question of where and how this unemployed, "indigent" guy came up with the $10k filing fee -- and the law requires that donations be disclosed unless they're very small monetary amounts.
There's no evidence that Greene campaigned - When interviewed about how and where he campaigned, he was about as specific as Sarah Palin was about what magazines & newspapers she reads.   

There are also numerous registered S Carolina voters who testified that they tried to vote for Rawls and the touch-screen machines kept trying to register the vote for Greene.

There's really no credible evidence that Green got more votes than Rawl, because there is no way to verify the accuracy of the vote count!    We have to trust that the machines are not only accurate (no glitches or bugs and were not hacked) but were not deliberately programmed to flip votes.

Add to that the fact that anyone, including Republicans, could vote to choose the Democratic Party nominee. And both Parties have been known at times in the past, where there are open primaries, to encourage their voters to vote in the other Party's primaries, especially when their own nominee has no challenger or seems to have the primary sewn up.

Even if Al Greene did actually get 60% to Rawl's 40%, that does not suggest that it was the Democrats who voted for him.

What the Republicans gain by this outcome is that neither they nor DeMint have to spend any money on the fall election, so they can spend that money elsewhere - such as trying to unseat Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid.

Subject: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Genie
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 06:25 PM

It is both amazing and depressing to me that the Democratic Party officials (including most Congressional members) will not speak out against the use of unverifiable "black box" voting machines and/or against the placing of elections operations (registering and tallying the votes) in the hands of private corporations, with no transparency in either the voting process or the vote counting.

If Alvin Greene can be "elected" to be the Democratic Party Senate nominee in S. Carolina under the circumstances of this primary election, then who knows how many governmental positions will be filled in 2010 and 2012 under similarly suspect circumstances?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 08:24 AM

That other guy, that Vic Rawl might develop some kind of a complex.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 07:19 AM

Yer givin' too much credit to the coin flip, Bill... In South Carolina people can vote in any primamry they want to... I think as this story gets unraveled we'll find more than a casual effort by the South Carlina Repulican Party to not only get Green on the ballot but also to get alot of their folks to vote for him in the Democratic primary... That's where the rub is...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 11:08 PM

Well.. Greene has been confirmed as the candidate. It's obviously safer NOT to let people know who you are before the vote.

Voters, faced with 2 barely recognized candidates, seem to have just flipped a coin...or voted alphabetically. Looks like we have Jim DeMint to swear at for 6 more years.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 09:43 PM

Can't argue with that.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 08:23 PM

Can't argue that point, Rigs... It's entertainin'...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 07:53 PM

"...if this guy proves to be some Repub plant then, yeah, this is some good ol' fashioned homecooked racism of the highest order..."


                Well, it's a lot more exciting that politics as usual.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 07:51 PM

"Just in case you haven't read it, Rig, a few months before he filed his candidacy, Greene requested and got a court-provided attorney to fight some earlier charges on the basis of being indigent. Then he turned around and paid a $10,400 filing fee."

          I did read that. At least this ain't no ordinary old boring political event.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 06:34 PM

Because, Rigs... It's friggin' South Carolina where whire people love to single out the dumbest black guy as representing all black people... Visit South Carolina sometime and you'll know what I mean... Redest of the rednecks there... Problem is that most of the white people in South Carolina ain't half a smart as dimwit Green... Tnat is a sad commentary on South Carolina...

So, yeah, if this guy proves to be some Repub plant then, yeah, this is some good ol' fashioned homecooked racism of the highest order... I mean, the kinda racism that comes with a 10 generation guarentee...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 05:11 PM

Just in case you haven't read it, Rig, a few months before he filed his candidacy, Greene requested and got a court-provided attorney to fight some earlier charges on the basis of being indigent. Then he turned around and paid a $10,400 filing fee.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 04:19 PM

Why racism? Were they discriminating against the white candidate?

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 02:33 PM

No, Rigs, Mr Greene is barly able to sting enough words together to make a sentence so he certainly isn't as spokesperson for the Democratic Party... More like the Tea Party...

Plus, ya' know, the Repubs in South Carolina have been known to run phantom candidates in the Dem primary when it is apparent that not only is their guy virtually unchallenged in the primaries but the general...

If this is the case then given Green's apparent lack of intellegence then if the money for the filing fee is proven to have come from a Repub then this not only screams of corruption but overt racism as well...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: DougR
Date: 17 Jun 10 - 01:51 PM

Anyone here doubt Alvin Greene got the votes? No sign of fraud yet.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Jun 10 - 04:07 PM

Well, maybe the voters will take a shine to him.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 16 Jun 10 - 03:29 PM

Ah, South Carolina -- "Too small for a republic, too large for an asylum." Birthplace of treason and secession, indeed, and not much seems to have changed there.

As for what this says about Democrats, it's odd that Greene got so few absentee ballots and so many (more than the votes cast in some cases) from the impossible-to-audit electronic voting machines. His alphabetical position, his name (for some reason, Greene with that "e" is considered a "black" name), and questionable voting machines means DeMint, who was pretty much going to win anyway, has an opponent who is barely competent to answer to his name (have you seen an interview with the man?).

It's what they have called a "rat-f*ck" since the days of Dick Nixon and, latterly, Carl Rove, and a rat-f*ck in true Republican dirty-tricks style. What is not evident is why the Repuglicans bothered. I guess it's just that they could.

South Carolina. Too small for a republic....


Bob Clayton

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 16 Jun 10 - 08:24 AM

"Yer comin' off as a Republican operative..."

          Well, I certainly didn't mean to do that, but the Alvin Greene thing says a lot about the Democratic party.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 12:47 PM

lol

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 08:26 AM

I'm with you, mouse... I think if the South wants out then let 'um... They are a drag on the US Treasury anyway 'cuase they get a disporportionate amount of federal tax dollars related to what they pay in....

(But, Boberdz, that means you'd be part of the new 'n improved CSA?!?!?...)

Farm For Sale...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 08:06 AM

I suspect war is never a good idea, mouse.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 01:03 AM

More and more I find myself wondering if the Civil War was such a good idea.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: LadyJean
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 11:48 PM

This year is the 200th anniversary of my 7 generations back grandfather, The Reverend Alexander Porter, leaving Abbeville South Carolina for Fairhaven Ohio. He opposed slavery, which didn't make him a lot of friends on the session. Though half his congregation went too.
I think I'll sing a couple of choruses of "Praise God from whom all blessings flow", that my family was delivered from South Carolina.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 10:23 PM

Rigs, Rigs, Rigs...

Pull back on the reins, buddy... Yer comin' off as a Republican operative... I mean, it's okay to just vote fir 'um but fallin' into the Republican operative of making Harry Reid some kinda intellectually challenged person compared to what we have heard from Mr. Green is, ahhhhhh...

Sorry, pal.... But we're gonna have to respectully ask you to pee in the cup...

B~

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 10:01 PM

One thing about it. When he talks in front of the television cameras he comes off a lot better than Harry Reid.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 06:05 PM

Put up job? One columnist say there is elephant dung all over the affair.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: mousethief
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 02:02 PM

The charges were not disclosed before the primary, as far as I can tell.

It's that blasted "innocent until proven guilty" thing again, isn't it? I wonder when that will be scrapped. Probably not until the next Republican is elected president.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 01:39 PM

There is talk of an investigation. One question is how he could pay the filing fee, when he filed an affidavit of indigency in an obscenity suit in order to get a public defender.

The affair is just a sideshow, since the Republican candidate is sure to win.

Subject: RE: BS:Alvin Greene-So. Carolina congressional primary
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Jun 10 - 01:26 PM

Yeah, it helped nominate Obama.