Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Brakn
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 10:55 AM

re MFI

Previous thread.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 10:35 AM

'weelittledrummer' - that's what I thought.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Rog Peek
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 10:34 AM

In my opinion, Shane McGowan has written some great songs, of which this is one. I've not heard it done better than the version which features himself and Kirsty McColl, after all, if you were looking for someone to sing the part of a drunk who found himself in the drunk tank on Christmas Eve, then he would surely be your man.

Rog

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 10:24 AM

Here's Shane + Popes + his mum.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 10:19 AM

Thanks for the youtube link. I haven't heard Christy Moore sing that song before so I've really enjoyed listening to it - just wish his mouth was moving in time to the words on that video!

I'm a Shane MacGowan fan, a Christy Moore fan and a Kirsty MacColl fan so I like both versions but Shane MacGowan wins!

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Emma B
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 10:11 AM

Just listened to the Christy Moore version - he's a fine singer but it's the interaction between Kirsty McColl and Shane McGowan that really makes the Pogues version number 1 for me!

btw - does it really say Fairytale of New York - The POPES & Shane McGowan Dublin, 06 on youtube??? LOL!

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 10:00 AM

By the way, isn't that the Penguin Cafe Orchestra on the MFI advert?

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:58 AM

savoury duck....that's a Lancashire thing, isn't it? sort of cross between a haselet and a faggot. I haven't heard about them for ages, much less seen one.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:57 AM

Byeeeeeeeeeeee

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:48 AM

Yes, thank you. I have heard it. In fact I have it on CD.
Christy Moore has covered a number of Shane MacGowan's songs.
The point being?
I am far more interested in getting outta here, from the cesspit of puerile, inane blokishness to which this thread has deteriorated,

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,machree01
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:43 AM

Diane here's Christy Moore's Version.
         http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=GLqGE3C0yTQ

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:32 AM

I have gay friends who would piss themselves laughing at that silly wee joke.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:29 AM

. . . and idiotic sniggering of an apparently heterosexual nature is equally inappropriate and distasteful.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:27 AM

Homophobia is far from funny. It's ignorant, dangerous and distasteful.
As is slinging abuse at Shane MacGowan, who, however you might consider his behaviour, is undeniably a highly talented songwriter whose work (+ Jem Finer in this case) was unfairly judged by a radio station that has redeemed itself.
End of drama.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Leadfingers
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:24 AM

So I said to ths girl in the pub -"I suppose a Savoury duck's out of the qestion?"

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:20 AM

Aw come on pal, develop a sense of humour for fucks sake.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: NormanD
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 09:19 AM

GUEST: clockwatcher

"Most poofters seem to be as gloomy as the rest of us"

Cut it out, whoever you are. You can make the joke without using another term of abuse. Or maybe using the term of abuse was the point of your post.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 07:52 AM

roflmao

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 07:51 AM

When I was a kid in the North East of England and I, or someone else, was referred to as a "faggot" it meant that they were a source of annoyance or irritation. It was many years later that I learned that in USA it was a term used to describe a homosexual.
Anyway I think that it is a great song (for life not just for Christmas)and Christy Moore just edges it over the Pogues and Kirsty.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,clockwatcher
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 07:44 AM

... and if we're going to reclaim the word 'faggot' (a bundle of firewood or a tasty meat dish), then perhaps we can reclaim 'gay' as well. Most poofters seem to be as gloomy as the rest of us.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 07:38 AM

The Mick reference I mistakenly attributed to this song, is in Missing You by Christy Moore, a song with similar sentiments.
Giok

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Hawker
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 07:08 AM

Now then, this has got me worried! every year on New Years eve, in our household, we burn the ashen Faggot!
Oh F*!K are we going to be raided by the PC police for this? One year we piped the faggot in and the vicar blessed it before we burned it!
I'm going straight to hell methinks!
Please somebody get a grip!
Stop the world I want to get off!

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,Wayne
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 06:08 AM

For me, Shane MacGowan's voice may be ragged & harsh but it is also soulful and heartfelt. His version of She Moved Through The Fair is by far my favourite. Fairytale has become a bit of a Christmas cliche but it remains a superlative song. Indeed, I reckon that Shane is one of the best songwriters of the last thirty years. But then, I like Gilbert O'Sullivan so what do I know?

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Jim Lad
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 03:35 AM

I actually like Kristy Moore's rendition of the song.
The man has talent and the song is relevant to my younger years in Australia & Canada.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 08:49 PM

I like Shane's songs. They seem to me, very poetic.

I remember years ago Karl Dallas wondering in print in the Melody Maker, why the Irish were so keen to embrace the national stereotypes in folksong; at the very time the American black people were turning their backs on blues songs, with their crude racial stereotypes.

Either way, you could pick a hole in Bottle of Smoke or Fairytale of New York - every line of them - for just those faults. Surely you accept it, in its totality, or not at all.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: CET
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 05:52 PM

Something my cat coughed up on the rug could sing it better than Shane McGowan. I listened to a few seconds of the You Tube video, and was beginning to feel ill and had to turn it off so I never got to hear Kirsty MacColl. Great song, though.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Tootler
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 05:13 PM

They've withdrawn the censorship on the grounds that the audience have sufficient wisdom to realise that the words will not cause offence in context... or something like that.

Or:

They've demonstrated that they are a bunch of complete pillocks and are trying to save face.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: s&r
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 03:33 PM

They've withdrawn the censorship on the grounds that the audience have sufficient wisdom to realise that the words will not cause offence in context... or something like that.

Stu

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: jacqui.c
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:49 PM

I love the song but, having heard it done by a couple of other performers must say that the only version I like is the Pogues and Kirsty.

Terrific tune, whatever the words.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: skarpi
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:47 PM

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Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: MuddleC
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:38 PM

I think that the final word must rest with the Catholic Church..
and their Craggy Island spokesman,err, spokespriest?
'Father Jack, what do you think about dis sorta ting?'
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Arse!...Feck!...Gurls!...Drink!"

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:31 PM

I'd be happy if they banned it altogether. The worst record ever made. In my humble opinion.   :-)

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:20 PM

There are numerous cover versions, several of which involve self-censorship by the musicians concerned.

There are two plausible candidates for the worst version.

1) The blessed St Ronan of Keating's offering changed 'cheap lousy faggot' to 'you're cheap and you're haggard' and his accomplice in the crime was Máire (aka Moya) Brennan of Clannad. It sold like lead courgettes.

2) The Irish Tenors' rendition omitted the crucial verse concerned, all in the interest of maintaining the trio's clean-living, chicken-in-a-basket and send-them-home-to-their-mums-in-clean-underwear audience.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 02:09 PM

I was thinking more..... Elton John!

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:47 PM

According to Wikipedia, Cait O'Riordan was originally intended to sing the female part but left the Pogues before the song was completed. I could imagine her doing a good job.

How about Cliff Richard/Kate Rusby?

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:40 PM

Errrr...Christy Moore has recorded it. (On the CD Live at the Point).

I didn't have the Pogue's version anyway.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:25 PM

Yes, Andy Parfitt having listened to the track has decided it's not homophobic after all. Which it isn't.
Is there another version of FTONY?
Could anyone other than MacGowan/MacColl do it?

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:24 PM

I thought it was a gay song with that whole "Queen of New York" thing going on but I can't see anything wrong with calling someone a bundle of sticks!

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: gnomad
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:20 PM

Radio 4 have just reported that radio 1 have just reversed their decision.

I am not fond of this record (prefer other versions) but I approve the reversal.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Rog Peek
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 12:02 PM

Can't see what the BBC has against faggots, they're delicios!

Ingredients for faggots

pigs liver 450 gm
onions 2 pc
breadcrumbs 100 gm
suet 75 gm
chopped sage 2 tsp
salt   sq
pepper   sq

How to make faggots

Mince the liver and onions into a mixing bowl, this can be as fine or as coarse to suit your own tastes
Add the breadcrumbs, chopped suet, sage and season with the salt and pepper (it should be quite peppery)
Shape the mixture into small balls, if the mixture is too wet more breadcrumbs should be added
Place onto a greased oven tin and bake in moderate oven for about 30 minutes
Remove faggots and add boiling water and a little flour to the tin to make gravy.

Rog

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,me again
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:31 AM

Mr Happy - you are a scream, I love it, send that to Radio 1 - PLEASE!!!

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,harrys girls
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:27 AM

I reckon the song should be called the Beep of Beep Beep because I have made a point of editing out all insults in the name of political correctness and it now goes like this...



It was BEEPmas Eve BEEP
In the BEEP tank
A BEEP BEEP said to me, won't see another one
And then he BEEPED a BEEP
The BEEP Old Mountain Dew
I turned my face a BEEP

And BEEPed about BEEP

BEEP I'm on a lucky one
Came in eighteen to one
I've got a BEEPing

This year's for me and you
So happy BEEP BEEP
I BEEP you BEEPby
I can see a better time
When all our BEEPs come true

They've got cars big as BEEPs
They've got rivers of BEEP
But the wind goes right through you
It's no place for the BEEP

When you first took my BEEP

On a cold BEEPmas Eve
You promised me
Broadway was waiting for me

You were BEEPsome
You were BEEPy
BEEP of New York City
When the band finished playing
They BEEPED up the mall

Sinatra was BEEPing,
All the BEEPs they were BEEPing
We BEEPed on a corner
Then BEEPed through the night

The boys of the NYPD choir
Were singing "Galway Bay"
And the bells were ringing out
For BEEPmas day

You're a BEEP
You're a BEEP
You're an old BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP
BEEPing there almost BEEP on a BEEP in that BEEP
You BEEP BEEP, you BEEP BEEP
You BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP
Happy BEEPmas your BEEP
I pray BEEP it's our last

I could have been someone
Well so could anyone
You took my dreams from me
When I first found you
I kept them with me BEEP

I put them with my own
Can't make it all alone
I've built my dreams around you

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,Ruth still at work
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:14 AM

If they're gonna get tetchy, surely it's the NYPD choir which ought to be edited out, as there's no such thing.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Mr Happy
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:14 AM

It was Non-Denominational Winter Holiday Eve infant
In the inebriated container
A mature person said to me, won't see another one
And then he sang a song
The Uncommon Not getting any younger Peak Dew
I turned my countenance away
And dreamed about you

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Brakn
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 11:08 AM

Radio 1 is probably the one station I will not listen to and I don't think I know anyone who does. It lost it's main audience years ago. The djs are in love with themselves and not the music.

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Emma B
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:57 AM

Well good old fair-minded Auntie Beeb at Radio 1 apparently edited out 'slut' too.

Was it the comedy programme 'I'm sorry I haven't a clue' that took totally innocuous songs and, by introducing well timed 'bleeps', created something quite hilariously different

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST,everyone loves christmas
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:46 AM

god people - talk about PC overload, only last week I was reading about a 70 something grandad being fired as Santa for saying "Ho Ho Ho" - what the hekk is wrong with people today!!! Definition of PC - sad old grumpy idiots who have way too much time on their hands...why not ban the word Fairy from the title, I mean HOW OFFENSIVE!!!!

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:21 AM

Almost any word or name can be used as a term of abuse... the words 'bless you' when said with the right inflection (Whoopi Goldberg in 'Sister Act' for instance) can mean exactly the opposite.

I know that we're supposed to live and learn, and that what was acceptable in the past might not be so now, but in this day and age, is it really necessary to censor so much? If they MUST censor, I'd favour more the removal of the drug references than the use of 'faggot', which is less well known. Heaven forefend that a child should look it up in a dictionary.

LTS

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:16 AM

I read somewhere recently (Radio Times?) that when the song was done live on TOTP, they made Kirsty MacColl sing "ass" instead of "arse". Why this should be considered less offensive, I really can't imagine. And anyway, as with the above examples) the whole point about that verse is that it's supposed to be insulting, and if you remove any offensive terms it kind of misses the point.

I suppose it could be argued that when they censor "faggot", what they're objecting to is its use as a term of abuse - after all, the n-word is banned not because it's not OK to be black, but because it's not OK to make skin colour the focus of an insult.

But I wouldn't be convinced that this is the reason.

Marje

Subject: RE: Fairytale of New York censored by Beeb!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:13 AM

Or a Savoury Duck come to that.

G.