best thing seen at a folk club

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: GUEST,Bruce Michael Baillie
Date: 11 May 07 - 01:48 AM

I couldn't honestly say which one thing is the best thing I've ever seen in a folk club but here's a short list of things I remember from the past 30 odd years

Hedgehog Pie
The Hot Pot Belly Band
the first time I ever saw Bernie Parry
Jeremy Taylor
Planxty
Christy Moore
Andy Irvine
Bernard Wrigley
Mike Harding
Gary & Vera Aspey
Irish band 'Burnt Peat' featuring on accordion none other than the man you catters love to hate DAVE BULMER

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: PoppaGator
Date: 10 May 07 - 02:26 PM

I swore I would never come back here, but yielded to temptation as soon as I saw this thread title teetering the bottom of the "last-24-hours" list.

Countess: I think you're absolutely crazy, but find you endlessly entertaining. In turn, I acknowledge your right to hold whatever opinion you wish about me. I was off base expressing my idle thoughts, guessing at just what variety of abnormal psychology might apply to you. I'm sure that, just as for me and for all the rest of us, there is much more to you than what you choose to reveal in your cyber-typing.

Best thing I ever heard at a folk club?

"Looks like the next act didn't show ~ wanna play another hour?"

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: GUEST,ROB THE ROADIE
Date: 10 May 07 - 09:09 AM

ANGIE WRIGHT SINGING "CRY OF THE WORLD"

SEE HER AT THE LEITH FOLK CLUB TUESDAY MAY 29TH IN SUPPORT OF CLIVE GREGSON.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: GUEST,Patronising git.
Date: 10 May 07 - 06:26 AM

CR: Yes.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 10 May 07 - 02:42 AM

The title that you are looking for Garvallagh is "The Lakes of Shilyn" or "Lakes of Coolfin" I have heard it sung both ways. Best thing - possibly Ewan MacColl singing "James Herries" in South Shields C1970 although there are really too meny to mention.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Michael
Date: 10 May 07 - 12:50 AM

This is a 'combination thread' answer to include the 'what got you hooked' thread.
In the mid '60s we had regular 'folk nights' Agricultural College with singer-songwriters and people who sang Dylan etc. So when I went home I found a local Folk Club and this strange looking fellow with pony tail walked on stage and with no introduction launched into 'The Fox Jumped Over the Parson's Gate'.I was gobsmacked and hooked; Pete Bellamy has a lot to answer for.

Mike

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 09 May 07 - 08:49 PM

Stop the psycho-babble.

I'm not in the slightest bit upset by 'bold sexual innuendo', if it's amusing.
Nor am I particulary upset at stupid speculation, just bored, contemptuous and unforthcoming. The Alligator has, however, apologised for his quaintly imaginative prurience.
I'm not usually intimidated at threatening and inappropriate male behaviour at music venues but would wish them to be safe place for those who do feel harassed and afraid.
Did some patronising git really say 'well done gal' for expressing this?
What I want is for it not to be necessary and that they would get on with listening to the music which is what they should have gone there for in the first place.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: GUEST,Guest of 6.24
Date: 09 May 07 - 08:16 PM

CR: Nobody here's interested in the private details of your friends and lovers is what I meant. And WLD- I think some patronising git did say that. End of my little input.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 May 07 - 07:57 PM

I dunno. I don't give a bugger who knows who I am. And nothing has happened to me. Perhaps different for a woman. Occasionally you feel persecuted and misunderstood. That's mainly because we're all from different places (in every sense).
http://bigalwhittle.co.uk/
if anyones in doubt!

Some people just spit poison across cyberspace like 14 year olds. They fail to grasp that we are mostly mature people, and we haven't come to our opinions and attitudes through cussedness or reading something some dim journalist has thought up - they are the sum of our life's experiences. They are the way we need to conduct ourselves to be the people we are.

The bold sexual innuendo that upsets the Countess is perhaps a way of reaching out. Don't we all ignore stuff everyday we don't appreciate. Perhaps the Countess is waiting for someone to say - well done gal! You showed those MCPs! A kindred spirit out there.

Lets hope we all find kindred spirits somewhere.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 09 May 07 - 07:46 PM

Nobody's interested in what and how do you know?

Music venues have a strong interest in offering a harassment-free space. This makes commercial sense as well as being a better environment for music. Which is why the majority are there in the first place. Those whose motivation is otherwise would do well to take it elsewhere. Like Mars.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: GUEST,Guest of 06.24
Date: 09 May 07 - 07:36 PM

Credit to Popagator for his immediate and stylish retraction. And Countess- nobody's really interested.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Ythanside
Date: 09 May 07 - 07:25 PM

The bartender calling over his shoulder,'I'm off home now, so just help yourselves and leave the money on the bar, and the last one out has to drop the latch on the door.'
This happened in Scotty's, Alice Springs at around 3am one January morning in 2002.
Memories, admittedly a tad blurred, are made of this.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 09 May 07 - 07:08 PM

I am on my own, I'm vulnerable more often than not and I'm mega-pissed off with neolithic, aeons-past-sell-by, offensively patronising attitudes from certain posters who just have no clue how to conduct themselves in C21 civilised society, let alone a music venue.

Yes, I have always written to topic (that's the strap-line above the text box that no-one much seems to read) and responded to counter a post about predatory behaviour in a club. The contributor seemed to imagine this was 'harmless banter' and refused to face how intimidating and offensive this can be to some women.

My name was actually chosen for me by a friend when I first came into Mudcat about four years ago to defend a performer who was getting a kicking for being young, talented and successful, far too quickly for some. We wrote a parody of Child #68 to immortalise a ridiculously farcical situation and I decided to take the pseudonym as a shit-proof umbrella. A wise move, not that there are many who haven't seen through it. Now will you all sod off and stop trying to find out who my friends and lovers are. I'm not saying.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Ref
Date: 09 May 07 - 07:07 PM

Hmmmm. I could talk about the great performers I saw when they were young and unknown or the old troupers still able to raise their voices and the spirits of the audience, but I believe the best are the local lads and lasses with warm voices, sure hands on their instruments, and enough wit in their eyes and their words to leave us wanting MORE.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 May 07 - 06:42 PM

"countess richard is a personality in a child ballad who is hard-done-by."

Psychologists doubtless would wonder why someone deliberately chooses a public handle that reflects that, but I don't.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 May 07 - 06:40 PM

very rude guest! Poppagator has written some things about music, and it IS hard to understand all this other nonsense.

It is offensive, if you're a man. In romantic matters, one is often expected to be the initiator - and its hard to get the attitude right - nobody pleases everybody.

some members have obviously found some of the things said not just offensive, but upsetting. Whatever her age and condition, she should be more careful of others' feelings. Some people are on their own and vulnerable, and basic courtesy costs nothing.

I just wish we could talk about music onthis thread. The Countess has obviously lived through some great evenings in folk clubs and met some great artists - perhaps known them as friends. It would nice to share some of her thoughts on that - rather than this other squabbling, which I find disturbing,

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 May 07 - 06:37 PM

You can work them in sometimes, you see........


ah.... door, there, ok...

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 May 07 - 06:32 PM

oooooooooooooooo, a hard man nowadays, is good to find....

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: PoppaGator
Date: 09 May 07 - 06:31 PM

Thanks, Richard.

I apologize ~ to the Countess and to everyone else ~ for my rudeness, but I felt a need to 'fess up to my morbid fascination with a truly demented conversation, and undoubtedly went too far in spilling my guts about the thoughts that have unavoidably passed through my mind while indulging myself here.

I meant to use the phrase "like a moth to a flame" early in my previous post to describe my compusion to keep coming back here to track the latest developments, but forgot to do so. So now I've said it. I'm not proud of my inability to ignore this nonsense and just virtually walk away.

I missed the bit explaining "f*lk," will go back and re-read.

The ballad from which the name comes is undoubtedly in the DT, I assume. I'll check that out, too. I'm sure that someone is pleased that I have betrayed my own ignorance about that.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 09 May 07 - 06:24 PM

What a strange and insulting posting! If the time spent on composing it had been spent simply looking the answers to the questions would have been found in other contributions on this site.

The last points are really beyond belief (I'm a man by the way). They don't deserve a response from their target and I hope they don't receive one.

Despite the Countess's childish tendency to nit-pick about orthographical matters (as she likes to call them) and to self-indulge in personal sideswipes, the general thrust of her postings IS directed at the subject matter of the thread- something that PopaGator (something to do with alligators no doubt) seemingly has no interest whatsoever.

Since you don't mind earthy language PopaGator I suggest you fuck off until you've something useful to contribute.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 May 07 - 06:06 PM

Poppa, she ain't young. But that is not the point. Likewise (forgive me if I state the obvious) the state or preferences of the countess's sex life is her business not ours.

She explains "f*lk" above.

And countess richard is a personality in a child ballad who is hard-done-by.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: PoppaGator
Date: 09 May 07 - 05:04 PM

Despite knowing NOTHING about the British folk-music scene and its many performers and personalities, to whom references are made in the serious, "on-topic" contributions to this discussions, I keep checking back here to follow the ongoing psychodrama centered around Countess Richard.

First off, I've never quite understood the gender-ambiguity built into a pseudonym that seemingly combines a woman's title with a man's first name. Is this deliberate? Of course, "Richard" could be a last name, but it does not seem to be this person's actual surname. (perhaps it is, and I'm wrong.) If it is a surname, actual or fictional, I'd like to know whether it is pronounced in the usual English mannner or (as is so often the case here in Louisiana) as the French "Ree-SHARD."

I have noted that a few respondants have objected to the Countess' "bad language," but that is one of the few among her traits that I actually kind of like. A little vulgarity never bothers me in the least. However, I do find it very curious that she never hesitates to type the word "fuck," but seems to have an aversion to ever spelling out the much-more-innocuous "folk," consistently typing in an asterisk, thus: "f*lk." What the hell is up with that????

This young woman seems to have very deep-seated psycholgical problems with the opposite sex, but my guess is that her sexual orientation is not really the issue; I don't think that any self-respecting lesbian would ever come out with some of the stuff she writes.

I know that one can't generalize about a human being based on internet text alone, but I strongly suspect that she's probably hetero in orientation and in (perhaps limited) practice, but that she can't maintain an onoging relationship with a male partner beyond the one-night-stand stage, and that her long-term friendships with male individuals are exclusively with gay men who provide "girlfriend"-type support and affection. Here in the US, if not elsewhere, there's an unfortunate, politically-very-incorrect term for this personalilty type: "fag hag."

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Garvallagh
Date: 09 May 07 - 04:45 PM

Dan O Hara in McElroys Omagh St Paddies day years ago singing a song about a boy who goes to swim in a lake, all the while his sister is telling him not too, sure enuff the young fella buys the farm. Does anyone know the name of this song by the way?

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: breezy
Date: 09 May 07 - 04:27 PM

Hearing and seeing Diz Dizley perform the 'battle of hastings'

At the railway tavern catford.Sitting directly in front of Paul Simon and remarking 'I like this' and someone nearby saying it wasnt folk music

being captivated by Alex campbell's ability to not sing and to hold an audience in the palm of his hand, in a state of apparent total inebriation, every time i saw him.

Joe Stead emptying a bag of crisps into a pint of beer, or was it vice versa

les barker and bog rolls performing 'earwig-O'

The Old Rope S B

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Rasener
Date: 09 May 07 - 02:55 PM

King Rollo at Faldingworth Live. He went round at the end and personally thanked everybody for coming and shook their hands. What a nice thing to do.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: GUEST,baz parkes
Date: 09 May 07 - 01:06 PM

Heard rather than seen...in the early seventies, just after Martin Carthy had joined the Watersons (and before his surname was appended!) they were booked at the Late Lamented Giffard folkclubin Wolverhampton. Those of a certain age will remember that the family took their song key from a note or chord from Martin's guitar. On leaving the club the following exchange was heard (for full effect your head needs to hear a Black Country accent, and please, to avoid thread creep, not a Brummie one!!)

Punter 1 "Good, wor they..."
Punter 2 "Ar....bostin. Shame that bloke at the back cor play 'is guitar though...."

Collapse of stout party. Sadly, I cannot recall what either of them looked like, or were wearing...

I once asked Vin Garbutt if he wanted a floor spot, but that's another story

Baz

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 May 07 - 12:07 PM

I bought the wrong bananas, when I went down to the shop,
I bought the wrong bananas, but the man told me they're not!

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 May 07 - 11:57 AM

Instead of all this bollocks tell us a story about Hedy West, Countess. I saw her one time with Bill Clifton - theres one for the teenagers!

never spoke to her.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 May 07 - 11:45 AM

Could be....? Who knows?
Neither you nor I. but when the wind is passing by, it perhaps brings on Freudian throwback.

Am I missing something here, does anybody give a shit about this nonsense?

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Myrtle
Date: 09 May 07 - 11:44 AM

Dave, next time you see Ted Edwards, do tell him that he is one of the best....I remember him at Didsbury College folk club singing 'Coalhole Cavalry', and he was wonderful.
Regards,
Myrtle.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Grab
Date: 09 May 07 - 11:28 AM

Women I associate with do not automatically stereotype men as, well, hardly 'inferior' but with inflated superiority pretentions

Nor do any of the men I associate with stereotype women in that way. If the men *you* associate with are like that, choose a better class of male friend. And commenting on attractiveness usually does not constitute stereotyping as inferior. Also, such compliments are *always* a positive input, indicating that your appearance gives pleasure to other people, and an absence of compliments doesn't convey displeasure so there isn't a downside. (Of course, insults based on appearance *are* hurtful, but that's not what we're talking about here.)

As you say, to go out hunting for approval from the opposite sex is usually a demeaning exercise, but to get that approval when you're *not* looking for it or expecting it is nice. I guess in the same way that if you're performing, you have to put on a front to keep people interested; but playing guitar while you're waiting for a train and having someone random say "that sounds nice" is unexpected and gives you a real boost.

Misandrous women generally have an agenda: they've been subjected to oppression

So women who behave like that are generally victims; but men who behave like that are generally oppressors? You really are trying to have your cake and eat it with that one...

Graham.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 09 May 07 - 11:15 AM

Oh No Countess Richard.....>>>>>>What a person 'looks like' is only useful in being able to recognise them again.
What and how they play (and what kind of person they are) is infinitely more important.<<<<<<<
Maybe we should start a new thread on the importance of procreation v's the importance of Folk music..................I do so wonder which the average person would choose...you know...which is most important in the bigger picture?

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 May 07 - 10:41 AM

Ahhhhhh - So it isn't all men! Just all men called Dave (except Mr Eyre) I'd feel left out if I was him:-)

Out of interest I don't think I have ever judged anyone by their gender, colour, creed or any other such measure. I like and respect most people from the first and they have to do something pretty serious to loose that respect. I do however notice differences in people. How can anyone help that? The bigger the difference the more noticeable of course. If I was at our folk club for instance and a one-legged, black guitarist turned up how am I supposed to describe her? The Guitarist? There are hundreds of those. The good guitarist? Dozens. The female guitarist? Still in the dozens. If I was to describe her as the black one-legged guitarist would I be accused of racial or ability predjudice? How ludicrous.

Cheers

one of the many misogynistic Daves apparantly...

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 09 May 07 - 10:02 AM

remember Peter Andre showing Jordan his dick on prime-time TV?

You just don't know how glad I am that I do not.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: alanabit
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:54 AM

My best night in a folk club was either at an early Paul Downes and Phil Beer gig, or hearing the wonderful Bill Boazman. They projected warmth, self assurance and unforgettable music.
I can't recall whether I noticed anyone of a different gender at the time, and I guess it would be unwise to mention it even if I did...

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:44 AM

Actually, Countess, you also said:

"This is because there is no direct female equivalent of those persons of male gender of the persuasion that women are, per se, inferior to them and created purely for them to look at (and down on)."

It seems there is.

You have entirely over-reacted to a passing comment. Back when we were young and our hormones rampant we all went to folk clubs to score (by which, this time, I refer to sex, although other scoring was not unknown either). The males did it, the females did it, the others of either type did it. We all did it. Each of us showed out, as best we could, for sexual partners of the preferred gender. We all kept an eye out for it.

The Hagstrom acoustic brochure was based on it - a leggy (female) blonde with a Hagstrom J-45.

The Daion acoustic brochure was based on it - the "Love at first Cmaj7" brochure.

Both still sell on ebay.

It happened to the chap who was the president before me of my hall at university. He went to a folk club, and there was a girl there, and both agreed they saw nothing else but each other all night.

It happened to Jacqui and me. We were sort of going out together, and one night we went to a folk club (Man of Kent, Rainham, Kent) and it was a bit tricky in that her husband was the most significant guitarist there that night (not exactly "guest" 'cos it wasn't a guest night, but you know) and damned cupid chose that night to twang so that we had the very unsettling experience of each other (she and I, not her husband) seeming a bit brighter and a bit more in focus than he rest of the room. We grew out of it later! You might have known her - very involved in the old Phoebus Wakes at the Rising Sun in Catford, resident NTMC, for a while sang pro with a trad harmony band rather like the Young Tradition, called "the Chapmen".

Two gay friends of mine, rathre more recently, reported being a little unsettled at a Joan Armatrading concert when the person of gender (well, actually, they said "Diesel Dyke") next to them yelled out "Oooh Joan, I'm coming".

It isn't necessary to knock it. The odd flip comment does not mean we are all suddenly going to start behaving as if we leapt off the pages of a John Norman "novel" from the Gorean cycle. Chill!

Flirtation in its many forms is part of the process by which we discover if a person to whom we are attracted is attracted by us. It can get pretty direct at times - remember Peter Andre showing Jordan his dick on prime-time TV? I had a friend who found a piece of paper with a girl's name and phone number on, in his underpants one morning, and he couldn't remember how they got there....

It doesn't often happen to me these days but even I have been pretty directly jumped by women at folk events. I wasn't really offered the option of politely making an excuse and leaving. It was either be rude (or at least insensitive) or go along with it.

Don't be the only one left out! Come to Knockholt and join in (but not if you are going to poison the atmosphere, there has been one elderly woman (technically a Lady, since she has some rank) there with her toyboy who has been rather a pain some years) the drinking and song!

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:36 AM

La la la la la la ....

Meanwhile, back at the folk club....

Countess Richard, disguised as a woman....

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Dave Earl
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:33 AM

This person called Dave still finds it difficult to agree with the Countess (Child 68 versions I have seen do not name a Countess by BTW - yes I know what the wife of an Earl is called)

You are currently hooked on the phrase "The best thing to be seen at a music venue is musicians of whatever gender playing excellently"

Last night on my home from work I dropped in to have a peek at a music session and have a late pint.A young fiddler was playing a fast jig tune. He was playing it very well I as a non-musician would have said. But he had head down over his fiddle,his eyes shut and was totaly ignoring the other three fiddlers who it seemed to me would have liked to play along. Also I lost count of the number of times he went through what seemed to me to be the A and B parts of the tune.

This seemed to me to both disrespectful to the other muso types and to the music (how long can a dancer carry on dancing a fast jig? not eight and a half minutes I think.

Dave

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Sugwash
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:30 AM

The antonymn of misogynist is misandrist — hope that puts an end to it.

So to recap:

Misogynist — someone who hates women;

Misandrist — someone who hates men;

Misanthrope — someone who doesn't like anybody very much (can be applied to some Mudcatters it would seem).

To the original question, Vin Garbutt.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:22 AM

How . . . er trivial.

What a person 'looks like' is only useful in being able to recognise them again.
What and how they play (and what kind of person they are) is infinitely more important.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:15 AM

And you would never notice if a male (or female) of the species was attractive or downright good looking or ugly?...all you would notice is the music?

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:08 AM

Anybody called Dave (except Mr Eyre):

This is a truncated, West End theatre bill-stylee extract of a quote which fails to reflect and, indeed, distorts what I was saying. That some embittered, attention-span challenged, brains-in-Levis male person who thinks music venues are there to pick up women who don't mind should attempt such a transparently cheap trick is unsurprising.

What I said was "Synonym.com says: Sorry, I could not find antonyms for 'misogynist'." And, as a matter of accuracy, that is correct.

Women I associate with do not automatically stereotype men as, well, hardly 'inferior' but with inflated superiority pretentions (until of course those that are like that prove it by their crass actions). Misandrous women generally have an agenda: they've been subjected to oppression. And the antonym of 'misandry' is 'philandry', an activity scarcely confined to women. Not that there is necessarily anything wrong with that, it's just how it's done.

I cannot but return to my earlier assertion: the best thing to be seen at a music venue is musicians of whatever gender playing excellently.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 May 07 - 08:47 AM

Meanwhile, back at the folk club....

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 May 07 - 08:39 AM

I think that the difference is that a misogynist thinks that he is superior to women whereas a misandrist KNOWS that she is superior...

:D

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Dave Higham
Date: 09 May 07 - 08:32 AM

The "countess" says "there is no direct female equivalent of those persons of male gender of the persuasion that women are, per se, inferior to them".
She seems to be living proof to the contrary.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 May 07 - 06:55 AM

Damn, Grab, I was just about to post the Wikipedia entry

Misandry
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All men are false, says my mother,
They'll tell you wicked, lovin' lies.
The very next evening, they'll court another,
Leave you alone to pine and sigh.

—"Silver Dagger", traditional song[1]

Look up Misandry in
Wiktionary, the free dictionary.Misandry (IPA [mɪ.ˈsæn.dri]) is the hatred of males as a sex, as opposed to misogyny, the hatred of women. Misandry comes from misos (Greek μῖσος, "hatred") + andr-ia (Greek anér-andros, "man").

Look up misanthropy in
Wiktionary, the free dictionary.Although misandry is sometimes confused with misanthropy, the terms are not interchangeable, for the latter refers more generally to the hatred of humanity. A concept related to misandry is androphobia, the fear of men, but not necessarily hatred of them. The opposite of misandry is philandry, the love of men.

Misandry is not discussed very often compared to misogyny. Feminist writer Judith Levine has called misandry "the hate that dares not speak its name".[2]

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Grab
Date: 09 May 07 - 06:52 AM

The word is "misandrist", Countess. There are plenty of them out there, treating men as if they were children to be patronised and told what to do. There's rarely an interest in looking *at* though, simply in power over. If we're talking people from the 60s, Fanny Craddock would be the perfect example.

As far as looks go, it's well established that men *aren't* the main discriminators - women are more judgemental to other women based on appearance than men could ever be.

And the belief that it isn't possible for men to comment positively on a woman's appearance without considering them a sex object is itself a prejudice against men. Yes, some men do consider women as objects; but that doesn't mean all men do; nor that men who can recognise beauty in women's appearance or dress are objectifying women.

Graham.

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Surreysinger
Date: 09 May 07 - 06:19 AM

Disastrous cockroach circus??? Guest, do tell ... I'm intrigued (the rest I can well understand - and envy .... but that one??????)

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 07 - 06:00 AM

Sam Sherry nearly (but never quite) banging his head on the folk club ceiling

Packie Byrne's Storytelling - after which I understood the meaning of the word enthrall..

Pete Bellamy playing slide guitar...

The disasterous cock roach circus at chester folk fest circa 1980...

Old Rope String Band totally winning over a very very difficult audience..

Walter Pardon and the Watersons

Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 May 07 - 05:59 AM

La la la la la la ....