BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 03:40 PM

Oh, it might help you understand better if you took dilletante into account.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 03:34 PM

No, David, I did answer. It's an insult or don't you understand?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 03:13 PM

David-waht you diong tonight?
play some music at Brickis, Walton Sreet.

ps=do you liv next door to me?

[my next door eighbour got BNP posters in his window, is he you?

if you dont know were music is tonight, you could ring me=
07759 668 798, withold your number if you like!

Many thanks John. WHat i have done is put your number in my mobile. WHilst i can't make it tonight as i am working and have to complete a project, i will certainly make it to future sessions. In fact i will get my dad along too, he can introduce us.

No, it is not me, i don't have a BNP poster up in my window.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 03:09 PM

Agree Carol to some extent.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 03:09 PM

If you want me to defend the literal position, I won't.

Just as i thought, can't answer. You say Nick Griffin is a convenient example, but yet you can't say how. Incredible.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 02:47 PM

tell me how a man can be a dictator in a party of 99% volunteers and in a party where he can be challenged and removed if so the wish of the membership?

He can be if he has political power over people who are not members of his party.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,john
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 02:38 PM

David-waht you diong tonight?
play some music at Brickis, Walton Sreet.

ps=do you liv next door to me?

[my next door eighbour got BNP posters in his window, is he you?

if you dont know were music is tonight, you could ring me=
07759 668 798, withold your number if you like!

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 02:35 PM

Like I said, went clean over your head. If you want me to defend the literal position, I won't. Pretty pointless.
Dictator is a very convenient name to use and Mr Griffin makes it easy.
Satisfied?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 02:29 PM

So...to improve the question slightly, Le Scaramouche,

tell me how a man can be a dictator in a party of 99% volunteers and in a party where he can be challenged and removed if so the wish of the membership?

???????

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 02:27 PM

Oh dear. I expected better, DH, you disappoint me. I'll spell it out then: It is possible for a man to be a dictator in a party of 99% volunteers, and the proof of this (i.e. that it is possible) lies in the fact that the leader of the Brown Shirts (who were all volunteers, I believe) was a dictator, recognised so by history.

Must do better. Really, you must.

The main flaw in your argument, which i admit is a credible one, is that that particular dictator could not be removed through electoral means, he controlled the party and eventually the nation and at no point was he eligible for election as a leader within his own party.

Nick Griffin was elected, and can be un-elected tomorrow if a leadership bid so wishes. That is the difference, Nick Griffin is the head of a party of 99% volunteers, and those volunteers can walk out anytime they wish, and Nick Griffin can be challenged for the leadership anytime somebody wants to.

That is not a dictator, elgrecko, or Le Scaramouche.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: pdq
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 02:04 PM

Now, now, children. Please take your food fight outside - you are soiling the carpet.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 01:59 PM

On second thoughts, though, I 'd prefer it if you don't do better.
If you get my drift.
Anyway, life awaits, songs to sing, choruses to join in to... catch you tomorrow, I expect.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 01:57 PM

Frankly I don't care how many volunteers he has, dictator was about his ambitions, say what you will.
I imagine his ambitions stretch further than the current members of the party.
Rohm didn't force people into the SA, neither did Mussolini, Stalin, Sadam, Assad, Castro or anyone else. They surrounded themselves with people who wanted to take part.
BTW, if %99 are volunteers, what's the remaining percent?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 01:50 PM

Oh dear. I expected better, DH, you disappoint me. I'll spell it out then: It is possible for a man to be a dictator in a party of 99% volunteers, and the proof of this (i.e. that it is possible) lies in the fact that the leader of the Brown Shirts (who were all volunteers, I believe) was a dictator, recognised so by history.

Must do better. Really, you must.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 01:47 PM

He can be if his policies affect anyone besides his volunteers. There are many dictators around the world who have loyal volunteers in their party but who have dictatorial control over many people who are not in their party. Would this be the case if the BNP was in control in Britain? I hope we never find out.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 01:36 PM

" tell me how a man can be a dictator in a party of 99% volunteers?"

So?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 01:33 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 02:16 PM

Now who's descended to personal insults because he's run out of things to say?
At least I'm not an activist for a nonsense party run by a dilletante dictator.

Right...one last time...you get?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 01:32 PM

Read your own post of 12:15am and tell me where it mentions BNP...
Clutching at straws lol lol.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 01:10 PM

Well seen as the question was how can the BNP be led by a dictator when it is a party made of volunteers, that is why the BNP was the topic of issue?

You get? or are you struggling too, lol?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 01:06 PM

Who said anything about brown shirts having anything to do with the BNP lol lol? I only answered your question "explain how a man be a dictator in a party of 99% volunteers" lol lol... But you made a connection on your own lol lol.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 01:02 PM

Also, the dictator remark, ever heard of the word 'volunteer'? If so, tell me how a man can be a dictator in a party of 99% volunteers?

Well?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 12:45 PM

Well what has the brown shirts got to do with the BNP? lolol.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 12:35 PM

I could be wrong - but were not the Brown Shirts all volunteers, back in the 1930s?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 12:16 PM

Also, the dictator remark, ever heard of the word 'volunteer'? If so, tell me how a man can be a dictator in a party of 99% volunteers?

Can't you answer? lolol. You struggling again?

C'mon, explain how a man be a dictator in a party of 99% volunteers, i would love to know?

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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 11:06 AM

Oh, that just struggling remark was an olive branch. I must have interpreted it incorrectly.
The dictator bit has gone over your head, unsurprisingly.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 10:43 AM

Are Americans Rubbish?
Are Christians Rubbish?
Is racism still alive and well in America?
Is the Iraq war a race/religious war waged by American Christians?

In order, No, no, definitely yes, i read only other day about another racist murder of a teenage white american. and the last probably no, more likely oil interests.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 10:41 AM

Now who's descended to personal insults because he's run out of things to say?
At least I'm not an activist for a nonsense party run by a dilletante dictator.

Oh dear. And after i held out an olive branch too.

Do you wish to call an end to this squabbling or not?

Also, the dictator remark, ever heard of the word 'volunteer'? If so, tell me how a man can be a dictator in a party of 99% volunteers?

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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: kirstenanderberg
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 02:01 AM

Are Americans Rubbish?
Are Christians Rubbish?
Is racism still alive and well in America?
Is the Iraq war a race/religious war waged by American Christians?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 02:16 PM

Now who's descended to personal insults because he's run out of things to say?
At least I'm not an activist for a nonsense party run by a dilletante dictator.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 11:06 AM

What I'm struggling with is how someone who might be intelligent is in the BNP spouting that nonsense.

Seems to me you are just struggling.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 10:02 AM

"He thought all white people were trash and said he was going to get them all on drugs to kill them off.

Just illustrates the sick mentality of these terrorists.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 09:31 AM

What I'm struggling with is how someone who might be intelligent is in the BNP spouting that nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,robert price
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 09:19 AM

"He thought all white people were trash and said he was going to get them all on drugs to kill them off.

Lovely.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 09:17 AM

Bomber was Huddersfield drug dealer - http://ichuddersfield.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/tm_objectid=15833478%26method=full%26siteid=50060%26headline=bomber%2dwas%2dhuddersfield%2ddrug%2ddealer-name_page.html

Aug 8 2005

By Anne-Marie Bradley, The Huddersfield Daily Examiner


BRITAIN'S deadliest suicide bomber dealt drugs on the streets of Huddersfield, it was said today.

Former addict Juliet Davidson has revealed how she used to buy heroin and crack cocaine from teenage bomber Jermaine Lindsay in Dalton.

The single mother - who has been free from drugs for three years - said she was shocked to discover her former dealer was at the centre of the London terrorist attacks.

Lindsay was the terrorist who carried a bomb on to a Tube train at Kings Cross on July 7, killing 26 people.

Juliet said: "I was absolutely gobsmacked.

"I could have understood him attacking someone, but not a bomb.

"I never thought he would have killed himself like that."

Juliet, 26, first met Lindsay - known to her as G - five years ago outside a row of shops in Harp Inge, Dalton.

He was just 14 at the time and a student at Rawthorpe High School.

She said: "He used to hang around and when I was going there to score one day he asked me to get my drugs off him.

"I used to get heroin and crack cocaine off him every day for about two years.

"I saw him change a lot in the last year I was scoring.

"When I saw him wearing his Islam outfit I thought what's he up to?

"He was always going on about racism.

"He thought all white people were trash and said he was going to get them all on drugs to kill them off.

"I don't think he was into anything more himself than a bit of cannabis."

Juliet, formerly of Rawthorpe, said Lindsay also became more aggressive as time went on.

She said: "He started getting arrogant and snapping at anything.

"He once badly beat up someone I knew for just a fiver.

"He looked down his nose at everybody.

"I can't understand why people are saying he was a nice person. He wasn't."

Lindsay grew up in Huddersfield and went to Stile Common Infants School at Newsome and Rawthorpe Junior.

Former classmates said he was a great guy before he converted to Islam when he was about 15.

Lindsay married another convert to Islam, Samantha Lewthwaite, after meeting via an internet chatroom.

The pair married in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, where they set up home and had a child.

But they split after a row, just two days before Lindsay met three other suicide bombers - including Mohammed Sidique Khan, of Thornhill Lees, Dewsbury - and travelled to London on his murderous mission.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 09:12 AM

Well if you haven't understood any of my posts, you have replied to enough of them, but if you haven't understood any of them, you should have said you were having difficulty and i would have simplified them for you.

I didn't realise you were struggling, for that i apologize.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 08:41 AM

"Multi-culturalism has failed, the reason i say this is because the immigration, if it can be called that, that you refer to were of european origin, normans, vikings, saxons, etc, were all of same heritage, identity, culture etc. We are one and the same people."

Beginning from that post, really.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 08:28 AM

So we have at least three things that using Hannam logic we can conclude that Vienna and Istanbul share the same culture.

Erm...what part of my post didn't you understand. lol.



ubject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 03:13 PM

1) Using your logic, why would a Turk share the same heritage and identity as someone from Vienna?

Not sure, i don't know what you are reffering to, at a stretch i suppose someone from vienna could share cultural similiarities with someone from Turkey due to the historical significance of Turkey and Austria with regard to the Ottoman Empire.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 08:25 AM

Oops. Crossposted.

Thanks, Le Scaramouche.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 08:22 AM

He says there's more to it. I'm interested in what he has to say.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 08:22 AM

Three things.

A) HISTORY: The Siege(s) of Vienna.
B) CULINARY: Coffee. The first coffee houses in Central Europe were opened up using coffee bags abandoned by the retreating Ottomans.
Croissants come in a round-about way due to the siege of Buda IIRC.
C) CULTURE: Mozart, Haydn and Beethoven were among the musicians influenced by Turkish styles, especially the Mehter bands of the Janissaries, which all European marching bands can trace their genesis to. Mozart in particular was infatuated by Turkish music, but he wrote it in his own idiom.

So we have at least three things that using Hannam logic we can conclude that Vienna and Istanbul share the same culture. Add to that the fact that they have mixed to varying degrees. Following the same line of logic, with a skip and a hop we could connect it to London as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 08:12 AM

Actually Carol i have given my opinion. see post below. Le Scaramouche

ubject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 03:13 PM

1) Using your logic, why would a Turk share the same heritage and identity as someone from Vienna?

Not sure, i don't know what you are reffering to, at a stretch i suppose someone from vienna could share cultural similiarities with someone from Turkey due to the historical significance of Turkey and Austria with regard to the Ottoman Empire.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 08:08 AM

Using your logic, why would a Turk share the same heritage and identity as someone from Vienna?

Personally I would love to know the answer to this question. Since DH isn't going to give it to us, would you mind telling us, Le Scaramouche?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 08:06 AM

You repeatedly state that the normans became integrated into British society because they came from the same Northern European stock.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 08:05 AM

Yes, i think your right Guest, it is time to call a halt to the bickering agee Le Scaramouche , or will you come back at me now with a biting retort?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 08:04 AM

Try and keep up you two, you've both lost the plot, who is now taking the piss out of who?

Answers on post card

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: DavidHannam
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 08:00 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 07:56 AM

Take the Normans for one.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: DavidHannam
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 07:52 AM

name calling? 5th grade textbook understanding? what on earth are you on about, you are buzzing around more than the bee i just squatted. lol

you are acting very frantically.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 07:50 AM

On the one hand you claim that immigration Britain worked because all Europeans share the same heritage, customs and race. Then you change it to only Nordic types. You also exhibit a level of historical understanding that barely rises above that of a 5th grade textbook.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 07:42 AM

Erm...ok?