BS: 2012 Presidential Election

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 08:04 PM

Greg F. ....that piece you link to is one of the best written and most telling analyses of current Republican behavior I have ever seen... the more so because it is BY a Republican!

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 06:29 PM

Somehow I have the horrible feeling that we're going to have to get one helluva lot sicker before we have much of a chance of getting well.

Sort of like the joke about the two prize mules.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 09:55 AM

REPUBLICAN CULT

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 09 Sep 11 - 09:35 AM

From Andy, again...


Rick Perry Needs to 'Tone Down' His Rhetoric, Says Kim Jong-Il
'He Scares Me,' North Korean Dictator Says

PYONGYANG (The Borowitz Report) – Gov. Rick Perry's performance in this week's Republican debate, in which he called Social Security a Ponzi scheme and took pride in executing an innocent man, "made him seem like a totally unhinged lunatic," said North Korean President Kim Jong-Il today.

The reclusive Kim, who rarely speaks out on U.S. politics, said he was breaking his silence in this case because "quite frankly, he scares me."

The North Korean dictator said that Gov. Perry would have to "tone down" his rhetoric considerably if he were to become a head of state.

"When you're President of a country, you can't go around spouting the first crazy thing that comes into your head," Mr. Kim said. "That man I saw onstage gave me the willies, and I don't think I'm alone on this."

While the North Korean dictator said there was still a chance that Mr. Perry might "dial it back a little," watching the Texas Governor at Wednesday night's debate left him "shaken."

"I'll tell you this," Kim said, "I would not want a person like that to have access to nuclear weapons."

Elsewhere, some Republican lawmakers said they were unable to hear President Obama's jobs speech due to fingers stuck in their ears.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 17 Aug 11 - 08:07 PM

This is what the Dems need to do.

http://blog.videosift.com/video/Colbert-SuperPAC-Hires-Frank-Luntz

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Aug 11 - 03:17 PM

Tim Pawlenty has dropped out of the presidential race.

One asshole down, many more to go.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: pdq
Date: 14 Aug 11 - 01:03 PM

After coming in third in Iowa, former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty has dropped out of the presidential race.

I heard a bit of the debate and he was attacking the other candidates and sounding like a spoiled brat.

Actually, he sounded like Joe Biden.

Perhaps he expects to be chosen as the VP candidate next year.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Aug 11 - 12:33 PM

Obama is a pragmatist. That is what this country needs to get back on its feet. But I don't think CNN, NPR and the others will let that happen.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Aug 11 - 11:59 AM

As I said on the Palin thread, any idiot who thinks that Obama is a religious bigot needs to read a bit about Governor Goodhair. There's a man who shows some real field marks of the species.   Obama shows none.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Aug 11 - 11:46 AM

Why I Think Rick Perry is the Most Dangerous Man Alive
Posted by James M. Martin on August 14, 2011 at 8:33am in Politics
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Rick Perry (with an "e") is an evangelical Christian who prays at public events, bowing his head and all. The American Family Association of Donald Wildmon (he sure is!) cosponsored Perry's recent Houston fundamentalist cluster cluck, and if that organization had its way, women would be saving their coat hangers and gays would be wearing pink triangles on their sleeves. Non-church goers would be put in stocks and publicly humiliated. All this nonsense about climate change would be banned by executive order, and all governmental monitoring and censure of food, petroleum drilling, and the machinations of laissez-faire "small business owners" like the Koch Brothers would be stopped. But the full impact of this believer in talking snakes and angelic miracle pregnancies taking over the reins of the nation must also be examined from the neo-conservative point of view.

The anything goes business philosophy is dictated by the Prosperity Gospel which euhemerized (turned into a god) the fictional character of Gordon Gekko into a deity, such that clueless Christians fail to realize the Jesus Christ they now worship not only bears no resemblance to the actual (and probably fictional) prophet, it isn't even the same deity. But the foreign policy and military options are right out of the Dominionist playbook. That's right: Perry will be working to bring about the Rupture Rapture. Oh, did I forget to mention much of the military-industrial complex is in Texas? Coincidence? Hardly, LBJ took care of that. Guided missile systems and such. The Dominionists believe that the day will come when Jesus Christ will have dominion over the earth, and then the dead shall rise to eternal life with the Rapture, all of us atheist types going straight to Hell, there to have lunch with Voltaire and dinner with John Huston. Perry will be candidate of choice for First Strike neocons, chicken hawks all.

I don't want Perry in the White House because, like Woody Allen, I don't mind dying, I just don't want to be around when it happens.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Aug 11 - 11:23 AM

I don't miss Reagan. AS Greg says, he paved the way for the Tea Party and Perry.

Perry is very dangerous for the country. His abominable dominionist religious convictions with the fanatic Apostolic Reformers portends disaster for the US from everything to immigration to foreign policies.

Remember he executed an innocent man in Texas.

My only hope is that we can have the gridlock if a Repub president gets in with a Democratic Congress and Senate. At least we can have a buffer against political disaster for our country.

In the meantime, members of SCOTUS should be impeached, (not likely today).

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 08:22 PM

How do you know that Rupert Murdoch is visiting his sick mind on the USA and its people - because he's still backing mad right wing bastards.

Sarah Palin revealed today to Sky journalists that she's worried about media pressure on her hard working productive family, should she run. Poor Sarah!

Poor USA! As John Travolta sang - she's the one that he wants -ooh ohh ooh. Yes indeed.

So you're in trouble.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 08:13 PM

Ah, but the current crop of lunatics are only following the path that The Great Senile Communicator laid out. Ronnie spawned 'em.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 08:04 PM

I never thought I would miss Ronald Reagan, but these clowns have gone so far beyond anything he did or suggested, I am nostalgic for his wasteful ways.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 06:00 PM

Richard, I would accept the latter with equanimity if only I could be sure of the former eventuality.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 05:59 PM

Yer right there, Bruce- Ronnie wouldn't have been able to tell the difference between Texas and Germany.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 05:48 PM

The TV news here in the UK about the Republican candidates really does make it look as if those who the Gods would destroy, they first make mad.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 05:25 PM

Even if the wall had been built, the ghost of Ronnie would have gone to it and said, "Tear down this wall."

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 05:21 PM

[Perry has] called the US-Mexico wall "idiotic."

Well, it absolutely is idiotic, so there, at least, he's right on the money.

However, the Tea Potty, Perry included, enthisiastically embraces much greater idiocies than this.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 05:09 PM

Obama could have real trouble beating Perry

Yup, the Boobocracy will vot4e for Perry, even tho he's a champion of the veriy policies that dropped them, and the country, in the shit.

Oh, ye nation of morons.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 03:52 PM

Absolutely.    But not just clueless conservatives.    If the economy does not drastically improve, and soon, Obama could have real trouble beating Perry.   Unless Perry somehow self-destructs.

Perry's only problem I can see with the GOP primary voters is that he may not be considered strong enough by the anti-immigrant groups.   After all, he has advocated in-state schooling for the children of illegal immigrants, and called the US-Mexico wall "idiotic."


We'll see if he is forced to recant these heresies.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Aug 11 - 03:37 PM

Now that Gov Rick Perry of Texas has entered the race I can easily see him winning the Republican nomination. He's pretty, clueless and not a Mormon. The conservatives will love him.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Jul 11 - 11:45 AM

Ebbie,

I am glad enough to see other countries thrive. But part of Fareed's thesis is that other countries are better of relative to the US due to a decline in the investment in education and infrastructure in this country.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jul 11 - 11:35 AM

JtS's link to 'Post-America World' presents a fundamentally different view than I see. It is not original with me, of course, but I think that a world in which other countries wake up to their potential, creating their own niche in industry and social services and enriching their people, in a development that ensures the relative decrease of America's power and wealth and influence is a healthy one.

The position of Big Hog at the trough with a few subservient cronies while baby hogs are jostling each other for a place at the banquet is an unhealthy situation for everyone.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 10 Jul 11 - 11:34 AM

Poll after reliable poll indicate that Americans in large numbers wanted a single-payer health plan and a return to the progressive tax structure of at least the 90s, and even the 50s, where the mega-rich paid much more. They also want business regulated for the protection of citizens against environmental and economic mischief.

However, the Republicans are aggressively pursuing voter suppression and purging the voter roles of likely non-Repub voters, and even machine-hacking. Actual voting fraud be "the left" is miniscule and waaay over-stated; voter suppression by "the right" is huge and actual. Therefore, what voters say they want will likely not happen. And even if Obama is somehow reelected and Congress is Dem, what have they done along these lines, anyway?

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 10 Jul 11 - 10:49 AM

Now i'm thinking that Obama may not be re-elected. It might be a Republican president with a Democratic congress. More gridlock which Americans seem to love.

If he caves on Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid and doesn't go after the rich folks taxes he will be toast. Of course this is the main goal of the Republicans. His only hope is to
go on the offensive and he will never represent the country as a whole if he keeps giving in to Republican demands.

Democrats are not united. There are defectors who will damage the Party.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jul 11 - 08:37 PM

Problem with Michelle is that she is clueless as to who she really is, clueless as to what she truly believes and clueless in general to the realities of the real world...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 09 Jul 11 - 07:32 PM

Nothing this week? Michele Bachmann has been busy. Every time she opens her mouth, it is an whole new revelation of something we thought we knew, but it turns out we were wrong.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 08:37 PM

Yes, the "housing crisis" was part, but only part, of the collapse... But it wasn't the major factor... The lenders were... They put together junk product which were going to blow up and blow up they did... And guess who was out there as the #1 salesman for the "ownership society"??? That's right... George W. Bush was... He and his Wall Street croonies played the biggest ballgame on America that has ever been seen...

But why did they do it??? To cover the fact that they had irresponsibly cut taxes yet again... Alan Greenspan's initial reaction to the tax cuts were "No way, bad policy" and then Bush and the Boys called him into the White House and roughed him up and he reluctantly went along with them but...

...Greenspan knew what was going to follow... He had seen it before in the 80s and the housing crisis and of '89-'90...

So Bush and his Wll Stret boyz concocted this "ownersh8ip society" and pushed and pushed people to buy homes... Where was the $$$ coming from??? Well, China... So the entire economic growth of the Bush administration wasn't really growth at all... It was a ballgame and artificial growth... Not real growth where you go out and compete with the world... All we did was build houses for *US* without any concern about sound economic principles...

This was the country that Obama inherited... A near collapse from a decade of a very bad Bush?Wall St. ballgame...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 07:47 PM

Times have changed since the Republicans took over the House. The American voter is more aware of the damage that the Republicans are doing to the country in their effort to defeat Obama. Washington is indeed out of touch on this issue.

Obama will probably be re-elected because in times of instability, there is a tendency to adhere to a status quo. The Republicans have gotten too radical in their agenda and they are given to temper tantrums exemplified by Cantor's walk out of talks.
The only proposal the Republicans make is that anything that defeats Obama is their goal. The needs of the country are not being considered.

Tax exemption for Wall Street is a form of hypocrisy.

Wouldn't it seem reasonable the Palin, Bachmann and the other extremist GOP'ers would scare the hell out of corporate CEO's? This might be another reason that Obama would be re-elected. Wall Street would finance his campaign because they secretly know that Obama is one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 04:33 PM

DougR, You were predicting McCain/Palin 3 years ago weren't you?

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: DougR
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 04:23 PM

Sawzaw: cheer up, my friend, I don't think things look nearly as tragic as you appear to think. My prediction is Obama will be beat bad, just like the Demos were in the House of Representatives last election.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 07:58 PM

I am not an Obama fan but I believe he is destined for a second term.

I would like Mitt but he would never win.

Bloomberg would be a good prez I think but I haven't heard anything about him running.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 04:05 PM

True, Wesley. But he DID get it from the Tea Party's web page. That, I think, should tell you something, both about the article and about Sawzaw.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 11:59 AM

200?

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 09:12 PM

Justa, That just is not true in any sense.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 09:10 PM

Post-American World

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Justa Picker
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 08:39 PM

What on Earth makes you think that the GOP will work with Hillary

Quite simply over and above everything else .. because she's white.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Wesley S
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 08:26 PM

Don - He did supply a credit for it:

"Wed, Jun 29, 2011 Josh Kraushaar National Journal"

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 08:13 PM

Just a little side note for the amusement and amazement of all and sundry:

The advent of the internet was a boon for the high school kid who had been assigned a term paper and who simply didn't want to bother with it, and besides, it was due the following morning, so he looks something up on the internet, prints it off, and turns it in.

This didn't last all that long, however. High school teachers and college professors soon learned that if they smelled a rat (the student simply didn't have the kind of writing skills to produce a paper like that, for example), they could cut-and-paste a sample sentence from the paper, paste it into the Google search box, and hey, presto! It would take them right to the web site where the student cribbed it.

The same little bit of high-tech detective work often produces fascinating results with certain posts right here on Mudcat.

For example, did you know that Sawzaw's post just above is pure cut-and-paste from the Tea Party's web site?

Here. Check it for yourself.    http://teaparty.org/article.php?id=967

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: pdq
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 08:11 PM

"...the GOP is largely responsible for the entire fiscal mess [sic] depression that is ravaging the entire economy and the country." ~ Justa Picker

Sorry, to tell you this, but the current Depression was caused entirely by the collapse in value of residential real estate.

In my county, single-family homes are worth 30¢ on the dollar when compared to prices in June of 2006. Yes, a $250,000 house back then can be bought today for $75,000.

People were taking out second mortgages and buying cars and boats and basically living the good life. Now, millions realize that they may never have a good job again. Many have given up and thrown themselves on the social services net and don't plan to try again. Next phase for them is Social Security.

We have peeked as a nation. Within about three years our economy will fall to second place behind China.

When the people realize that it is as good now as it will ever be, Obama will win because he will offer more social services to more people and claim that the GOP will take them away. The plan is old but it works.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 07:40 PM

It'll be Obama because no one wants Palin or Bachmann except to see them mud wrestle.

Romney has too many wives, (information brought to you by Tea Party Birthers)
and Palenty is too afraid.

Godfather Pizza tastes like cardboard.

Ron Paul is the only maverick that could surface in the crazy lineup.
He could win on pulling out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen and Pakistan.
But he's too crazy for the Republicans.

Who is Huntsman? Did he get lost in the desert on his motor bike?

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Wesley S
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 07:30 PM

"the GOP will not work with Obama "

But for some reason you think the conservatives WILL work with Hillary?? I'd LOVE to hear your logic behind that one.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 06:56 PM

What on Earth makes you think that the GOP will work with Hillary?

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Justa Picker
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 06:29 PM

(My humble opinion only, and as an outsider looking in - being a Canadian) ... Obama needs to do the right and honourable thing for the good of the country and the economy...that being, to make a formal announcement that he will NOT seek re-election of a second term (citing family, and whatever other reasons his spin doctors can come up with). This will pave the way to right a very serious wrong, and a course correction ... that being that Hilary Clinton can be persuaded to accept the nomination, and then subsequently be elected President, as she should have been back in 2008.

If this does not happen, then your country is screwed because the GOP will not work with Obama and his administration, nor are any GOP candidates electable (as the GOP is largely responsible for the entire fiscal mess [sic] depression that is ravaging the entire economy and the country.)

Further ... Obama doesn't even have the support of his own party.
It is an utter and complete mess and the entire government structure is in serious need of a complete overhaul as is the constitution itself. Hilary is the only hope for the American people in the next election, otherwise expect 4 more years of decline, potentially leading to a total default on the debt, a final collapse of the economy and a stock market collapse, the loss of the U.S. dollar as the reserve currency, hyperinflation, skyrocketing interest rates, a grossly devalued dollar, and a further decline in real estate values.

In the meantime the American government continues to lie to their population (to avoid mass rioting, civil unrest and then having to impose martial law) pretending it's all business as ususal, and loathing to admit the country is in a depression (and never recovered from the so-called "great recession") with statistics that are proportionately and comparatively far worse than what was happening during the early 1930's. I would so love to be wrong about all of this...but I'm not. The mainstream media is finally starting to report more on all of this and the writing IS on the wall if one chooses to see.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 12:06 PM

Four signs the White House is worried about 2012 Wed, Jun 29, 2011 Josh Kraushaar National Journal

It's been a rough June for the White House. Instead of being able to run a campaign taking credit for economic improvement, President Obama will, according to the latest forecasts, be trying to win four more years amid a grim economy next year. The president's reelection team, once hoping to run on a "Morning in America" theme now doesn't have that luxury. No wonder, the president's advisers over the past month have been making moves that suggest they're awfully concerned about his prospects:

1. Searching for an economic message. Veteran Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg recently offered perceptive advice to the president's team by criticizing its "getting the car out of the ditch" metaphor meant to suggest the economy is slowly improving. As Greenberg wrote: "People thought they still were in the ditch."

This is a time when the president needs to find his inner Bill Clinton, and feel Americans' pain. If he wants to be one of the few presidents to win reelection in a stagnant economy, he'll have to devote less time to defending past policies, like the auto bailout, and more to offering specific solutions to help people get back to work. Think a 21st century version of FDR's fireside chats. But there are few signs that the president's economic messaging has changed. Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz [the person that said Republicans actually want to make illegal immigration illegal] recently said Democrats own the economy, but they don't seem to be adapting their message to the bad economy likely to face them in November 2012.

2. Doubling down on manufacturing. The latest White House effort to wring good news out of a bad economy focuses on successes in the manufacturing sector: the auto bailout that put GM and Chrysler on sounder footing, as well as green initiatives.

Politically, it's a puzzling message. While there has been a small uptick in manufacturing jobs, it's hardly enough to be felt by the blue-collar electorate, who have been bearing the brunt of the recession and never viewed Obama too favorably in the first place. The latest Gallup weekly tracking poll shows Obama's approval with college graduates at 51 percent, with a 40 percent approval among nongraduates. The president's emphasis on green jobs doesn't help. It's tough for many steelworkers to see themselves producing solar panels. Clean-energy jobs may be the future, but they're not seen by displaced workers as a panacea.

Are 'The (2012) Undecideds' In or Out? Instead, Obama's key to winning reelection is solidifying his support with college-educated whites, a swing demographic that has been more receptive to his message, along with high turnout among minorities. His key to victory is rallying white-collar professionals in swing-state suburbs, like Fairfax/Loudoun County, Va.; Wake County, N.C.; Franklin County, Ohio; Bucks County, Pa.; Clark County, Nev.Known hotbeds of manufacturing.

3. Fresh fundraising concerns. With a strong connection to the grassroots and expertise with social networking, President Obama's reelection team mastered the art of hitting up small donors in the 2008 campaign. But there are telltale signs that the grassroots army that propelled him is in a much less giving mood. It's not a huge surprise; the bad economy has hit Obama's small donors too. When you're having trouble paying the bills, you're not exactly pining to pitch in hard-earned money to help a powerful president. A sign Team Obama is looking elsewhere: A Los Angeles Times report that Obama's reelection team is already asking wealthy donors to commit the maximum $75,800 to the president's campaign funds.

How Foreign Policy Became the Issue Dividing the GOP Field. If Obama's re-election starts looking more difficult next year, donors may well be inclined to give to the Democratic Senate and House campaign arms, seeing them as the better investment. But if they're locked in with early maximum donations to the president's re-election, that won't be doable.

4. Raising the stakes in the upper South. Obama's strategists are raising the stakes in the two battleground upper South states, North Carolina and Virginia. They've never been critical cogs in a presidential strategy. If Team Obama sees them as such in 2012, it suggests the campaign is struggling in states that were comfortably on its side in 2008, particularly those in the Rust Belt. When I interviewed leading Democratic and Republican strategists about the states toughest for Obama to hold, most were pessimistic about his prospects in North Carolina, a state that he won by just 14,000 votes. Publicly, his strategists are arguing that the Tar Heel State's growing numbers of college-educated suburbanites and minorities plays to Obama's advantage. It's no coincidence the Democrats are holding next year's convention in Charlotte. But if North Carolina looks like a challenge, Virginia looks within Obama's grasp. Unemployment in the Old Dominion is far lower than most battleground states, and the growth of government jobs in the Washington, D.C., suburbs and a diversifying population play to the Democrats' favor. Not everyone on the Democratic side is as optimistic, however. One senior Democratic operative involved with key Virginia races believes Obama would need an African-American turnout close to his historic 2008 levels to win a tough task in a down economy. "When folks start to depend on recreating a specific snapshot in time, it is most always a disappointment," the strategist said.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 30 Jun 11 - 08:36 AM

Again, from Andy Borowitz:

June 28, 2011
In Major Gaffe, Bachmann Confuses Ass, Hole in Ground
Misspeaks about Grand Canyon

ARIZONA (The Borowitz Report) – In a fledgling campaign that has already produced more than its share of gaffes, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn) today confused her ass with a hole in the ground during a campaign swing through Arizona.

Speaking to a group of supporters in Phoenix, Rep. Bachmann raised eyebrows when she said, "It's great to be here in Arizona, the home of my ass."

After her comment was greeted with confused murmurs from the crowd, Rep. Bachmann quickly added, "Oh wait, did I say my ass? I meant the Grand Canyon."

Being unable to tell her ass from a hole in the ground, especially a prominent one such as the Grand Canyon, is only one of many challenges facing Rep. Bachmann in her quest for the Presidency, according to political science professor Davis Logsdon of the University of Minnesota.

"Michele Bachmann is a staunch believer in the theory of Intelligent Design," he said. "However, Intelligent Design cannot explain Michele Bachmann."

But Dr. Logsdon added that Rep. Bachmann remains an attractive candidate, especially for those Republican voters who find former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin "too cerebral."

"When Sarah Palin looks at Michele Bachmann, she must feel the way the Jonas Brothers feel about Justin Bieber," he said.

In other political news, GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich said today that "marriage must be defined as the union between a man, a woman, and the man's staff member at the time."

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 08:25 PM

It also seems a bit offensive, to me, that such ilk now owns such a piece of history...

Well, I dunno, Kat- it seems to me quite appropriate that one murderous piece of shit should own a photo of another.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:47 PM

John Galt was the same character as Mad Max, After the Thunderdome and the kind of society portrayed in the movie would resemble we would have with Paul "Ayn Rand" Ryan's view of how things should be...

I think it is a disgusting and anti-human view of world...

I mean, we're all in this thing together and allowing the Koch brothers to pollute our air and poison our water because they own a piece of our government is bad policy no matter how it gets into the law...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Wesley S
Date: 29 Jun 11 - 03:38 PM

They just had an auction of stuff that used to belong to the Unibomber. It was quite successful from what I heard.