BS: Obama is a socialist

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:01 PM

Forgot to post a link to an excellent take on Palin from the Guardian:

clickety.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 07:58 PM

That excellent, bringing that to light, Azizi. Thanks.

Richard, Loved your post!!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 07:54 PM

Correction:

The journalist's correct name is Murray Waas.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 07:51 PM

So is McCain and his surrogates calling Obama a socialist and badmouthing ACORN to change the subject from Troopergate, Palin and her husband's connections to the secessionist Alaska Independent Party and this? :


McCain Transition Chief Aided Saddam In Lobbying Effort
-Murray Wass

October 14, 2008

"William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.

The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein's government...

Timmons' activities occurred in the years following the first Gulf War, when Washington considered Iraq to be a rogue enemy state and a sponsor of terrorism. His dealings on behalf of the deceased Iraqi leader stand in stark contrast to the views his current employer held at the time...

As Time magazine's Michael Scherer recently reported, Timmons is "a Washington institution," having worked as a senior aide to every Republican president since Richard Nixon. He also serves as chairman emeritus of Timmons and Company, "a small but influential lobbying firm he founded in 1975 shortly after leaving the White House."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html

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So McCain not only pals around but hires a lobbyist that was under contract with Sadaam Hussein? No wonder McCain wants to change the subject.
So

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Art Thieme
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 07:44 PM

I's about time!

Art

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 07:30 PM

Nor mine, buddy.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 07:29 PM

Well, Brucie... The ol' me woulda certainly had the middle finger in the air but Obama done settled the ol' me down some but not to worry 'cause...

...it's never far from my thoughts...

.1..

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 07:14 PM

Obama is a socialist, you say?

God, I hope so!! One more reason to vote for him!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:41 PM

I have not got my glasses. Was your middle finger in the air when you said that, Bobert?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:37 PM

Richard, Richard, Richard,

Ain't it the Repub's God given duty to demonize words??? This is the only way they can win anything at all... They take a few words, demonize them with their vast control of right-winged talk shows and that's all it takes...

MiziAzizi,

Speaking of demonizin', ACORN is about to get the Repub treatment and over the next week thet right winged radio folks are gonna' demonize it and let loose all their little parrots to go out into their communities and blast the crap outta ACORN... Nevermind that it ***is*** the registrar who has to sift thru the registration forms before adding someone to the voting roles... Nevermind that less than 1% will be found to have no actual person exist... No, we are going to hear all about how the Dallas Cowboy's entire team wwas turned in by someone who ***supposedly*** was an ACORN worker...

No, what the Repubs are doing is trying to create a situation where if things are close in one state that they will have sympathy if the recount goes to court... The Repub lawyers are very good at stealing lections... Heck, they should be... They have alot of experience...

So ACORN will go down this year with socialism...

My thoughts to the crooked Repub lawyers??? Demonize THIS!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:36 PM

Socialism means stuff such as nationalising banks if need be...

From today's paper "Washington declared yesterday that it would partially nationalise America's biggest banks to try to avert the melt-down of the entire US financial system"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Deckman
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:42 PM

One of the ironies that is inescapable in President bush's economic plan is that now ... like it or not ... the feds are taking controll of the private banking arena. That certainly sounds "socialistic" to me. bob(deckman)nelson

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:24 PM

That is a brilliant post, Richard. You got a standing ovation from this old boy.

Lyrics to a song I'm working on--on and off:

"Begone, begone you neocons
And take these billionaires
I have watched you from the moment of my birth
And I have seen the riches that
Your corporate sons of bitches have
Stolen from the people of this Earth."

Really good post, man. Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:20 PM

I am getting a bit sick of the lunatic right who use the term "socialism" as an insult. Socialism is a fine and dignified philosphy that allows the dignity of each human individual, and supposes that no human should be allowed to fall blow a decent standard. Those who demean it would have us all as pigs grubbing in the trough with the most unpleasant getting the most swill. It is that cast of mind that justifies violent revolution against the exploiters. They have taken by force or fraud from the poor for generations. Let those who have sown the wind reap the whirlwind.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:09 PM

There are wise and hopelessly stupid ones at all levels.
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One has to wonder who is running the hopelessly stupid McCain campaign.

Take the campaign's targeting of ACORN.

Did McCain forget that he was a keynote speaker for an ACORN sponsored rally as late as Feb. 2006? If he forgot, why didn't his aids remember this before they tried to make ACORN the boogy man?

Check out this video and comments including this one:
"October 13, 2008, Miami, FL - U.S. Senator John McCains recent attacks on the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) are puzzling given his historic support for the organization and its efforts on behalf of immigrant Americans. As recently as February 20, 2006, Senator McCain was the keynote speaker at an ACORN-sponsored Immigration Rally in Miami, Florida at Miami Dade"
-Baylan72

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ9wy2MI1NI&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/14/11030/966/664/629886

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But actually, I think that McCain's main problem is bad judgment.

Take Ayers for example. I really hope that McCain brings up Ayers during the debate tomorrow. That will allow Obama to bring up these points that Republican Andrew Sullivan wrote about in his latest blog entry:

14 Oct 2008 12:46 pm
Republicans Who Fund Bill Ayers

"I think Obama's relatively weak but nonetheless real interactions with William Ayers are a legitimate campaign issue. But Obama's best response, after telling the facts of the relationship, is to point out who else supported him. Republican machers Walter and Leonora Annenberg gave the former terrorist $50 million. They also gave money to Rick Santorum, Strom Thurmond and Mitt Romney. Annenberg was Nixon's ambassador to Britain. If Obama is "palling around with terrorists," the Republican Annenbergs are funding them.

Yesterday, the McCain campain put out a press release boasting that Leonore Annenberg had just endorsed him for president. Why is McCain happy to accept the endorsement of a funder of terrorism?"

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/republicans-who.html

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: artbrooks
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:09 PM

I was listening to NPR earlier today - ok, so half of you guys think NPR is part of the vast left-wing conspiracy and the other half consider it to be part of the Rupert Murdoch-controlled Main Stream Media...and then there is the 1/2 of one percent who consider the vast left-wing conspiracy and the MSM to be the same thing, but they are really wierd...anyway, they were discussing the factoid that both Senator Obama and Senator McCain list For Whom the Bell Tolls as a favorite book, and consider Hemingway's protagonist to be a personal hero.

For those who haven't read it, or who have forgotten 7th grade Lit, he died fighting in Spain against the Fascists in the late 1930s. For decades, anyone who fought on the Republican side in the Spanish Civil War was almost automatically considered a Commie Pinko Abraham Lincoln Brigade member. Joe Offer, you out there? Remember the Enemies List? So then, what does it say about both of our presidential candidates, that they think so highly of this guy?

Did you say "it doesn't say anything"? Congratulations, you win the rubber chicken!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 04:55 PM

I wanted to notify y'all that I voted today for the Marijuana Party--so put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.

Actually, I voted for the Green Party. They ain't gonna win, but for a moment there I helped keep the dream alive.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 04:19 PM

?? which double entendres? I am reading back and fail to see your referent.


With even conservative journalists writing columns about Palin's flaws and mistakes, I don't feel like we are saying too much.


"Some of the wisest old folks I knew were completely uneducated"

and some of the dumbest. There are wise and hopelessly stupid ones at all levels.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 04:02 PM

So.."double entendres" are OK as long as its not homosexuals or blacks?
Attractive women with a bit of power are fair game?
You're a sad lot.
Why don't you confine yourselves to sneering at her spelling mistakes
or lack of academic qualifications.

Some of the wisest old folks I knew were completely uneducated

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 03:22 PM

Canadians have been praying for years that a socialist would get elected to the US presidency and finally straighten out that mess down there and provide Americans with a decent health insurance system.

Perhaps our prayers are about to be answered! ;-D

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 02:59 PM

Good thing there were no loose moose outside at the time!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Amos
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 02:55 PM

Yeah, well, Sarah Palin was defenstrated at an early age by a male family member.

SHe was just lucky they lived in a single-level ranchhouse at the time and her bedroom was in the back out of public view, down close to the ground.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 02:53 PM

"You might as well say that Obama discombobulates"

shhhh...I have heard he engages in public gesticulation!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 01:54 PM

If he was a socialist, all the more reason to vote for him. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 01:51 PM

Any teachings from Bush would entail Obama having a lobotomy before the lesson, else he wouldn't understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 01:33 PM

Heck, I'm 100 times more a socialist than Obama so at the rate he's going he ain't gonna even achieve beginner's status by the time he's finished his second term... But maybe a few lessons from George Bush wouild help...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,stigweard lost cookie
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:33 PM

""soccer-lover"

George, it's football please: it's only called soccer in countries where they insist on calling another game football (inexplicably, not played with the feet).

Right. I'm off to see Tony Benn at Buxton.
stigWeard

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:30 PM

"Barack Obama is actually a diehard Chicago White Sox fan, a true regular-guy South Sider. "

Sure, that is what the liberal media would like you to believe!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:30 PM

"Barack Obama is actually a diehard Chicago White Sox fan, a true regular-guy South Sider."

Careful, PoppaGator, someone is bound to equate "South Sider" with unorthodox tendencies, and where would that leave the good Senator? Palin would have a field day.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:27 PM

So "socialist" is synonymous with "communist", and no doubt has links to "anarchist" and probably also with "muslim", "vegan" and "soccer-lover".

That's what happens when perfectly good English words migrate. They lose their meaning and acquire new and inexplicable connotations.

You might as well say that Obama discombobulates. You'd make the same amount of sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: PoppaGator
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:23 PM

"There is a dirty rumor that he is also a Cubs fan..."

Barack Obama is actually a diehard Chicago White Sox fan, a true regular-guy South Sider.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: jeffp
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:16 PM

You'd better be carefull, Kendall. Somebody might realize that you just confessed to donating money to Abu Simbel and you'd be spirited away in the dead of night.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 12:09 PM

Here's a look at the real Enemies of the State, imo. Thank goodness they are a minority and old-fashioned conservative Republicans have finally understood how they have given their party away to the right wing nuts and are ready to take it back.

I am proud to also note that someone did what I wanted to do..they painted over a disgusting sign someone had put up in our community. It had a picture of Obama on it with the following: "Will our people really vote for a Socialist?" I have also seen bumper stickers like THIS. (Scroll down.) THIS ONE is even more despicable.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:49 AM

I remember when Ronald Reagan was endorsed by the KKK. Their Grand Wizard, or whatever inane title their sheet-wearing leader goes by, said it was almost like he let them write his platform.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: kendall
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:48 AM

I made a donation to the fund to save the statues in Egypt that were going to be covered by the Nile back in the 60s. Does that make me a Pharoist?

I see socialism as the normal state of affairs. It makes no sense to have 10% of the population controlling 90% of the wealth.
Socialism is coming to America, and the greed and corruption of Wall st. with the help of the thieves in Washington have helped to make that happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Wesley S
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:13 AM

Socialist = anyone not a card carrying Republican.....

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:09 AM

He is supposed to be a n word, terrorist, elitist and enemy of anyone with over 5 million dollars. A socialist is a step up as far as absurd accusations go.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 11:05 AM

dang... he hasn't been called a gay, vegan, dyslexic pedophile...yet.

But there's still several weeks to go.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 10:12 AM

There is a dirty rumor that he is also a Cubs fan

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 09:51 AM

Get over yourselves. The US is not now, and never was, a democracy. It's a republic, and if you don't know the difference you should go find out. Britain is a constitutional monarchy. The closest things to a true democracy that I know of are Iceland and Ireland -- and in both money talks.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 09:20 AM

I just noticed the response to my previous post in this thread -

As has been noted by another poster a couple of posts before mine, it was the Republican, Bush administration that said if our Congress didn't pass the bill, the country would be totally destroyed forever. While I'm not happy with the fact that the Democrats allowed themselves to be snowed by this rhetoric from Bush, the bailout is, nevertheless, a Republican initiative, and the votes on the bill in the Senate did not split along party lines (and my Democratic representative voted against it).

The Republicans have turned the United States of America into the ultimate nanny/welfare state.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: irishenglish
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 09:15 AM

Nice try Sawzaw. You think throwing out a buzzword that, as Ruth said above, most people think actually means something, with 21 days left is going to change anything? Get over it. Last I checked, America was a democracy, so if communists, animists, marijuana party, green party, atheists, or whoever else wants to vote for Obama, or whoever else for that matter, then it is their right to do so. Did you just work this out after despite Obama's campaigning for the last 20 months, or did someone put a flyer in your mailbox telling you this? You going to inform us that Obama and Bin Laden are connected too? Give me a break.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 09:02 AM

Sawl-

Are you sure Obama isn't really a Trotskyite? I mean, can't you come up with anything more scary than a candidate receiving a state senate endorsement by Chicago Democratic Socialists, all six of them!

I also understand that Obama doesn't eat his vegetables, or doesn't chew 'em properly if he does. What about that?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:40 AM

I only wish he were. Sadly, I don't get the impression that he sticks to convictions much.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:23 AM

It kills me that in America, "socialist" is still a dirty word. Twas ever thus when I was a member of the DSA some 20 years ago. As someone has said, they are hardly an uber-left party; just very left by American standards. They believed in free higher education, a nationalised healthcare system and the welfare state. To me, it was about the kind of caring, supportive political system that put its people before the interests of the wealthy and big business.

If this is what Obama stands for, bring him on.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Amos
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 07:56 AM

Sawz:

Ya gotta get your meds tricked up, man.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Stu
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:52 AM

It'd be good if he was, but I suspect he's too right-wing, and somewhere along the line buddied up to a religious nut.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 06:00 AM

Lawyers can bring revolutions: Ghandi did.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Deckman
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:53 AM

You say "socialist" like it's a BAD THING?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: freda underhill
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 05:22 AM

:-D