Where do the EX-folk stars play?

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 04 Jan 07 - 05:02 PM

This thread should've died. It's offensive to me, as are so many aspects of folkbiz.

Art

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: GUEST,ebScotty
Date: 04 Jan 07 - 03:51 PM

Norma Tanega is right!
A Google search for "cat named dog" led me to http://www.benmclane.com/tanega.htm .
I'm looking further, hoping to find a CD or cassette, but I thought I'd leave this info first.

Subject: RE: Brewer and Shipley?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 02:13 AM

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: GUEST,Re: Simon SIsters
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 01:48 AM

Spaw,They were Lucy and Carly SImon. They did that one Children's album and I thought had a follow up, but maybe not. Operatic? Who? This is the same Carly that was married to James Taylor and who now lives in Martha's Vineyard as I recall. Dusty Ray Lehn

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play? Shout Shout
From: GUEST,Dusty Ray Lehn
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 01:25 AM

Rick are you talking about "Shout, Shout, Knock Youself Out"? That was Ernie Mareska.

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: GUEST,Dusty Ray Lehn
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 01:21 AM

"Ma Bell Ami" was by a group called The Tee Set. Harold Dorman had the original version of "Mountain of Love" which was covered my at least Johnny Rivers and Charlie Pride. Bruce Channel did "Hey Baby" and "Shout" was an Isley Brothers song as I recall, though I believe Joey (Pesci)Dee and the Starlighters had a live version on the album and in the movie "Live at the Peppermint Loungue" from whence came "The Peppermint Twist". That might predate the Isley Bros. Lulu and the Lovers had a big hit in England with the song and The Shangrilas did a live cut of it. Hope this helps. Dusty Ray Lehn

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: GUEST,Dusty Lehn`
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 01:04 AM

We Five! Now that's a group that had a nice hit with "You Were On My Mind". Chrispian St Peters later hit solo with "The Pied Piper". I always wished he'd had more hits. Dusty Ray Lehn

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 04:16 PM

Interesting thread.....lotta names from da past eh?

Steve, the Brewer and Shipley song was "One Toke Over The Line" (hope that's right or "Gale Garnett" may drop in again with his little folk fact book, ha ha!)

Started me thinkin' about "drug reference" songs. I'll bet there were a ton of them!

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 04:00 PM

He's one of the has-beens -----a folksinger I mean,
On mny trusty old Martin, I used to pick clean,
I would make the notes tumble like the dirt from the plow,
But you may not believe me --- because I can't do it now.

;-)

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 01:16 PM

Gosh, Justa, I would crawl across the Gobi Desert on my tongue just to get to hold of a guitar that has been Zagerized and strum it once or twice! Gee whillickers! Too bad the ad doesn't come up anymore on Ebay. Where kin I git a guitar that has been given the Denny Zager treatment, that's what I want to know?!!!

- LH

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Gurney
Date: 22 Oct 02 - 05:59 AM

Billy Connolly, Otille Patterson, Pam Ayres, Jasper Carrott, Barbara Dixon...
In fact, folkies must be the best audience any tyro could hope for, a development and proving ground, and if they move on, good luck to them.

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: 53
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 01:14 PM

I didnt think that there was any x-folk stars.

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: breezy
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 12:46 PM

Over here they are still playing.
I'm booking some of them at my club
this week Johnny Collins n/w Roy Bailey the Comfort St.Albans Fridays and nov 29th Jeremy Taylor

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: JedMarum
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 08:36 AM

folk star? isn't that an oxymoron?

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: JJ
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 08:14 AM

The operatic Simon sister was Joanna, whom I know from her recording of Alberto Ginastera's BOMARZO. She's now a real estate broker.

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 21 Oct 02 - 04:55 AM

Not operatic, but Lucy Simon is/was a singer too and once put out a solo album of her own. Unfortunately for her, this was during Carly's heyday and it was widely ignored which - according to an interview I read (in a book on sibling rivalry, not a music publication) - caused her huge pain. Apparently even her own mother and father were dismissively indifferent to her record, though this info comes from Lucy herself who is of course a less-than-objective source. But years ago I saw an excellent interview of Carly in an ancient issue of (?)Rolling Stone which indicates the same sort of feeling, of having had distant and judgmental parents, even though the family were materially well off (Dad is Simon of Simon & Schuster publishers). Both sisters sure seem to have paid high dues in the emotional vulnerability department.

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 20 Oct 02 - 11:42 PM

Didn't Carly have a sister named Lucy who has/had a minor operatic carreer?

Don

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Deckman
Date: 20 Oct 02 - 11:41 PM

I'll try to jump in on this thread way late ... I've been working out of town and now I'm playing catchup! I've known a few of the "big boys", and I suspect that the good ones are still doing what they started out doing ... that is, making damned fine music! Sure, the venue has changed, but change is the name of the game in life, isn't it? I've been lucky enough to get back in touch recently with some of those names, and I'm very pleased to see that they still love their music. And that is what it should all be about ... eh? CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Oct 02 - 11:12 PM

You would be astounded at some of the folk that have showed up at McCabe's and are not on the calendar.

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: GUEST,Bman the Lurker
Date: 20 Oct 02 - 08:47 PM

Rick: On the subject of the Simon Sisters, whose "Wynkyn and Blynkyn and Nod" you mentioned...one of them was named Carly, and she later had a few hit recordings. And she married some guy named James Taylor, but I hear that's all washed up now.
regards, Bman

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: mmb
Date: 20 Oct 02 - 08:11 PM

By the time I read the last couple messages in this thread I'd forgotten the responses I might have made to the earlier ones. . . One of the hazards of being an Old Folkie, I guess.

These items are not arguments, but follow-up comments:
1. Don, I thought of your point about Pete and the Weavers post-McCarthy when I saw the first post with his name. It was about three years ago that he celebrated his birthday by doing a benefit concert for School of the Americas Watch and an Arizona anti-Nuclear group at the New York Ave. Presbyterian Church in DC, sharing the bill with Odetta. Packed. And just as full of spirit and resistance as ever!

2. "GUEST Pete," Melanie is on tour right now. I live in the Tampa Bay area, and recently saw her name in the calendar listing for touring artists. Our local Community Radio Station has been giving her new album air play during drive time.

3. Finally, "GUEST MW Harrison," while I was recently checking local venue schedules for an upcoming concert, I saw a reference to Roger McGuin - whose name I admit I did not recognize. As it turns out, his web page has a touring schedule that begins on the current date and has him criss-crossing the country for 13 gigs between now and May. I had seen his name because he's doing the Tarpon Springs (FL) Performing Arts Ctr. in November, a week before John McCutcheon's area concert. Roger's website also references his last album as Grammy-nominated for 2000-2001 in the folk category. I checked, and it's a collaboration with Pete, Joan Baez, Odetta, Judy Collins, Tommy Makem, et. al.

Like earlier post-ers, I suggest that there is widespread lack of agreement on the meaning of the term "folk star." If folk music grows out of the experience of the people, using vernacular musical idioms and "period" instruments, then Springsteen's "Rising" album and Tom Petty's new independent album about corporate sellouts are just as much "folk" as Pat Humphries' "Buy This American Car" and McCutcheon's "Talking Pat and Jerry Blues" and "The List" are.

Yipes! Sorry for getting carried away.   M.

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 20 Oct 02 - 07:36 PM

Hey Rick,

I know I should know the Brewer and Shipley song, but it has completely slipped my mind. Please help.

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: GUEST,Pete
Date: 20 Oct 02 - 07:12 PM

Hey Rick Fielding..you stirred up some old memories when you mentioned Melanie. I had a huge crush on her when I was teenager..poster on the bedroom wall, all her records..my father convinced I was going to turn into a hippy and start smoking pot!! He said the words to her songs were banal. Looking back now I realise he was right..but she had a great voice..and probably still does.
She had a concert in the UK a few years back at the Albert Hall which was cancelled due to low turn out..so she came out and busked for the 10 or so people that actually turned up!! Well that's what I read somewhere. Guess me old Da is looking down on me now thinking..'Yer still going on about that fecking Melanie!' *grin*

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 08:46 PM

'Course lotsa folks here are too young to remember, but the Weavers had a whole potful of hits back in the late Forties and early Fifties before Senator Joe did his little song and dance. Goodnight Irene, Wimoweh, On Top of Old Smoky, and even The Frozen Logger were pouring out of radios and jukeboxes all over the country. Then they vanished like they'd never been there. Came back, though, but not like before.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: GUEST,Michael William Harrison
Date: 19 Oct 02 - 01:38 PM

They play everywhere, anywhere and nowhere. I recall as a young fool about the age of seventeen going to see a Byrds concert in West Covina, California. After the concert, while standing at the entrance ramp hitching a ride back to L.A., the Byrds limo drove right by me - they waved but failed to pick me up. About twenty years later I went to see Roger McGuinn in Dallas at a disco rock-n-roll club for $5.
They played disco/dance music until 9pm then brough Roger out on a stool with an acoustic guitar and he sang Byrds songs for about an hour (maybe 100 people)and then they turned the disco back on and he left. He got into a broken down old Plymouth automobile with a friend and drove off. I didn't get a ride that time either, but by then I didn't need it.

I saw Roger a few years later when Dallas' West End opened up and they had a rather large bar that was a "standing only" bar. I just happened to be down there one night and walked in to learn that Roger McGuinn was soon to show up on stage. He walked out with a Rickenbacker electric twelve string and played Byrds songs for about two hours for about three or four hundrend folks.

It was a full house and I remember standing on a stairway next to a fourteen year old girl (to get a better view)who was singing the words to almost every song he performed. I looked at her and with a aire of humor told her that she didn't even know who this guy was and how did she know all the lyrics? She smiled and told me that the guy up there was Roger McGuinn, formerly Jim McGuinn who was the leader of the old Byrds and that she liked her parents records.

The last time I saw McGuinn was on t.v. as part of a tribute to Bob Dylan. Like I said, anywhere, everywhere and nowhere.
Down the road,....................Michael William Harrison

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Big Mick
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 08:33 PM

What the asshole doesn't know is that Rick isn't, nor has he ever claimed to be a know-it-all. There are several things he doesn't know. But what he doesn't know, I do. If I don't know it, we go to Jed. If the three of us don't know, it wasn't worth knowing.......

Mick, with tongue planted firmly in cheek.

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 08:11 PM

Actually Rick, I loved that "Gee what theatre?" set-up. I feel our Guest was scrambling on that one.....and not surprisingly, there isn't much on the net about that!

Spaw

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 08:01 PM

Ha, Ha! Good one troll! But as you probably know, I'm the LAST person to ever pride myself on perfect recall. When you're haulin' this stuff up from memory (and not from "net info") you're gonna make tons of 'date and place' goofs.... which I do...happily.

Felony or not Ted, this particular (quite knowledgable) guest, LOVES to impersonate people. Done it several times before. All part of doin the internet though.

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: M.Ted
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 02:44 PM

I don't know, guest, was it worth committing a felony to show that Rick is occasionally off the mark?

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: GUEST,Gale Garnett
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 02:08 PM

Was that really me who posted that message, or just a troll trying to show that Rick Fielding does not always know what he's talking about?

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 12:28 PM

Hi Gale. Nice to hear from you. I'm just telling my wife about seeing you in "..Marigolds...". What a great show, but I've done a complete blank on what theatre you did it in. Thanks.

Rick

Subject: Lyr Add: WE'LL SING IN THE SUNSHINE
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 12:21 PM

Well Gale, I wish someone had alerted me to your song.........For those of you in real need of some serious drivel to squirrel around in your head for several days:

WE'LL SING IN THE SUNSHINE

We'll sing in the sunshine,
We'll laugh every day,
We'll sing in the sunshine,
And I'll be on my way.

I know I'll never love you,
The cost of love's too dear.
But though I'll never love you,
I'll stay with you one year.

And we can sing in the sunshine,
We'll laugh everyday,
We'll sing in the sunshine,
And I'll be on my way.

My daddy he once told me,
"Hey, don't you love you any man.
Just take what they may give you,
And give but what you can."

We'll sing in the sunshine,
We'll laugh everyday,
We'll sing in the sunshine,
And I'll be on my way.

I'll sing to you each morning,
I'll kiss you every night.
But darlin' don't cling to me,
I'll soon be out of sight.

But we can sing in the sunshine,
We'll laugh everyday,
We'll sing in the sunshine,
And I'll be on my way.

And when our year has ended,
And I have gone away,
You'll often think about me,
And this is what you'll say:

We sang in the sunshine,
We laughed everyday,
We sang in the sunshine,
And then went on our way.


Spaw

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: GUEST,Gale Garnett
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 12:15 PM

Dear Rick,

A friend alerted me to your comment.

I am not a Yank. I was born in New Zealand and moved, with my family, to Canada in 1953 when I was eleven years old. I have been a Canadian citizen for almost all of my life.

Toronto is my hometown. I have an apartment here and am usually here for most of the year.

Long ago, I switched over to acting. I also write for magazines. Toronto Life Magazine has published many of my articles.

Gale

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 11:46 AM

Catspaw, you pathetic, revolting pervert, do you rememember the Simon Sisters? Other than "Winkin' Blinkin' and Nod" I don't thing they had anything else as a duo. They were 'Folkie' I guess. We're starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel now...I don't mean talent-wise, just that there don't seem to be too many Folkie one hit wonders left

....But...Remember Brewer and Shipley. I used to pick a bit with them when they played Toronto.

Another Yank who spent a lot of time here was Gale Garnett. remember "We'll Sing In The Sunshine"?

Rick

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 09:26 AM

I don't remember the Bari sisters, but I do remember the Lingus sisters, a couple of wild Irish girls. What a pair they were! Connie Lingus and Anna Lingus.......Had a great version of "Baby Let Me Follow You Down."

Spaw

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: dwditty
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 08:48 AM

The We Five haven't been on mind mind in decades.

dw

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: M.Ted
Date: 23 Feb 02 - 12:49 AM

I remember the Rabbi all too well--and the Bari Sisters(like the Andrew Sisters, only in Yiddish!)--

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 22 Feb 02 - 10:10 PM

One word (Two actually)

Noel Harrison

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 22 Feb 02 - 06:18 PM

Since we're talking about (well I was anyway) guitar playing clergy, don't forget Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach and his Goya (or should that be Goyem) guitar.......NO, NO, I'm NOT kidding this time, there really WAS a singing Rabbi named Shlomo!

Justa, now you've got me thinkin', what would Barry McGuire's (Eve of Destruction) guitar go for.....or how 'bout the guy who sang "Dawn of Correction".....or better still...Stuffed Sgt. Sadly Battered of "Green Berets" fame.

Or don't forget that unbelievably awful episode of "Twilight Zone", where they had this obnoxious 'folk singer' (maybe played by Gary Crosby...Catspaw, help) who "steals" a terrible "folksong" from a mountain girl...and gets murdered by her brothers (just like in the song). I'm STILL not making this up.

Or the ultimate D-28 Holy Grail....the one Andy Griffith would pull out every time his girlfriend wanted sex...."yup, that put her ta sleep reeeeal good.......Barneyyyy!"

Rick

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Nemesis
Date: 22 Feb 02 - 05:40 PM

Chris Amos FYI John Otway plays the Schooner, Southwick, Sussex with Attila the Stockbroker on February 27th £5 (Tel [phone])

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Maryrrf
Date: 22 Feb 02 - 04:31 PM

I'm glad somebody else feels the way I do about that "Freedom" song. I first heard it in the gym and didn't know who was singing but I immediately thought "What an awful, trite, cliched song that some idiot has scribbled out just to capitalize on Sept. 11th." I was horrified when I saw Paul McCartney on television singing it. What a disgrace that somebody with his talent should be cranking out that crap!

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: M.Ted
Date: 22 Feb 02 - 01:48 PM

I'd always heard that Jaques Galoshes was actually Jack Galaciuski, a defrocked Christian Brother, whose saucy cover version of "Kiss the Boys Goodbye" cause him to be dismissed from his post at the Bishop Manly Academy for Surprisingly Mature Children--

He aparently awarded the French Medal of Honor after publishing his "Poems without the Letter O" (A condition of his probation)-- His initial success was accidental--a French radio engineer broadcast "Rock a Hula" underneath one of his readings, and he was immediately dubbed "The Next Johnny Halliday"-- only then did he move to St. Cuspidor, a move suggested by his haircut--

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Feb 02 - 01:18 PM

Yeah JP, but the thing has been Zagerized man!! I had some dry cleaning "Martinized" but it didn't come back with a guitar AND they charged me for the service! I'm thinking of buying an old Kent and seeing what he can do with that. Oughta' increase the value to maybe 5 G's or so! I can't figure why you don't send him that 21 you got......It looks like ol' Danny could really do a number on it. Probably Number 2.........

Now for considerably less there is this....although I think if I bought it I'd have to have Danny Boy check it out. I figure he could replace that stupid strap button and maybe throw a coat of paint over all that tomfoolery up on the neck and headstock.

In your case JP....Bid on that Telecaster!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Justa Picker
Date: 22 Feb 02 - 12:57 PM

(..Sorry a bit of thread creep regarding the Zagar D-41)...With all the modifications to the originality (if made by a mere mortal which Mr. Z. obviously doesn't see himself as.. *G*) especically replacing the bridge and doing the additional scalloping of the braces - that would devalue the 41 by at least one third of its current (normal) street value. He's completely f--ked up the originality of the instrument. As it is an IRW guitar, has no significant appreciative value as it was manufactured after 1969 (the cutoff year for BRW). Under normal circumstances this guitar would currently fetch somewhere in the range (and I'm being generous) $2,500.00 - $3,500.00 U.S. As it is now, I would think a fair street price for it would be around $2350.00 plus the buyers expense of replacing the bridge with a Martin one, and a new compensated bone saddle, as well as removing and filling the area where the strap button is, and remounting in its proper place - on one side of the heel area. For such an amazing "luthier" I couldn't believe his placement of the strap pin!

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Feb 02 - 12:57 PM

LOL!! Damn Greg, I think you may have answered the question!!!

GREAT LINE!

Spaw

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: greg stephens
Date: 22 Feb 02 - 12:46 PM

A lot of famous folksingers who used to sing in successful folkclubs full of young people now play the same places, to rather small groups of old people

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Peter T.
Date: 22 Feb 02 - 12:43 PM

"Freedom" -- he sang it at the New York rally/concert, and I heard that he sang it at the Super Bowl, and he is now announcing a Concert Tour. The song stiffed among the discerning buyers of music, but (unlike more than one or two million other people) he seems to have decided to capitalize on his role as a voice for Sept 11 (somebody hand me that bag of horse manure).....yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 Feb 02 - 12:32 PM

Uh.........I don't listen to the radio PT, so are you referring to some specific song or his "song" as in his "act/message."

Spaw

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Peter T.
Date: 22 Feb 02 - 12:18 PM

I am really sorry to hear about Sister Smile. It was the first record album (!) my sister ever bought, and it was only twenty years later while researching the history of the Albigensian Crusade that I realised that "Dominique" was about this disgusting episode in church history, including the mass murder of thousands of people (quick, hands up, how many mass murder songs do you know that made the top 40) -- "Dominique, notre pere, combattit les Albigeiois!". It is a pity that Sister Sourire didn't know Darlene of the Mickey Mouse club, they could have discussed tax evasion together.

Speaking of ex-stars, can anything be done to stop Paul McCartney from singing his dreadful song all across America (And who knows, the entire "free world"?). I am ready to start a petition drive.....

yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Where do the EX-folk stars play?
From: Fortunato
Date: 22 Feb 02 - 12:13 PM

I detect a faint barnyard odor drifting down from the north.