BS: Prince Harry - What a star!

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 03:38 PM

"My experience also tells me that you don't have to scratch an apologist for racism too deeply to find a real racist."



So, what you mean then, Jim, is if anyone disagrees with you, then they are a racist?

Hmmm.....now that's a new twist.


Ahmed's a Captain already, Jim! Gone are the days when people were hushed up for fear of losing their jobs! Hells bells, there's a whole media army out there waiting for him to tell it the way they want to hear it.

The trouble is, Ahmed is happy being Harry's friend and isn't scared to say so.

I'm sorry you've not got the ending you wanted to this story, and I realise that you'll go on twisting and spining it for a while to come yet, but truly, it's just best to accept what Ahmed said, and that is that Harry is NOT a racist.

Gawd, who'd want to a member of the Royal family, eh, with some of the posters in here waiting outside your gate.

Scary. :0)

Ooh, look! Prince Harry, who some in here feel is a racist!


Get over it, guys.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 03:17 PM

Much of what I wanted to say has been said far more eloquently by Sugarfoot Jack - busy now, but for the time being - this is not about the hatred of a family, it's about a public figure drawing from the public purse who indulges in racist abuse and behaviour. That his victim didn't take offence (complaining about a member of the Royal family would have helped his army career no end, I'm sure) is beside the point, HRH's (and other family members') racist behaviour has given offence to other Asians, and , no doubt, a shot in the arm to fellow racists.
No, I don't know if The Royals are racist, I do know that their behaviour suggests that they are, and it's my experience that if it quacks and waddles it's probably a duck.
My experience also tells me that you don't have to scratch an apologist for racism too deeply to find a real racist.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 03:08 PM

More than money involved - the charge levelled against them was that they (The Royal family) lives off the state.

The deal is the Exchequor gets the revenue from the Royal Estate last figures over £190 million and in exchange awards the "Civil Purse" about £60 million - You tell me SFB who's coming out ahead.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Stu
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 10:45 AM

"3. If you got rid of the Royal family tomorrow they would give themselves a 300% pay rise, the Government's coffers would only receive tax on net profit and would still have to pay for whoever it was became the new Kool-Britannia Head of State and their staff."

So? There's more than money at stake here. I wouldn't swear allegiance to these nutsacks as our newly-accepted fellow citizens have to. My family have lived enough years under the Norman Yoke as is (well, those from these Islands anyway).

At least the tax payer won't be contributing the their upkeep and they will be looking after themselves like the rest of us has to, then Harry can dress up as a Nazi and call his mates whatever racist names he wants - he'll be like a large proportion of his countrymen.

"I hate racism as much as anyone, but what is happening here is little, if any, better."

I reserve the right to satirise, criticise and downright insult the anachronism that is the Royal Family whom I pay part of my income to, and I will gladly desist when they stop taking my tax money and withdraw from public life. Nothing personal to them as individuals, but the idea ordinary people should be funding the very rich simply because of some misplaced, outdated loyalty to a corrupt monarchy which couldn't give a shit about many of their subjects, have no concept of the problems of ordinary people, and share little if any sense of solidarity with their 'subjects'.

There are people in the wider community with little or nothing who give their lives to helping others without thought for themselves, and these people are the ones we should be rewarding, not the head of a feudal system whose ancestors and representatives have been responsible for years of oppression, subjugation and the systematic fleecing of the working people in this and many other countries.

That Harry seems to forget this is testament to the fact he lives a life a privilege far removed from the trials and tribulations that will beset many of his age throughout their entire lives.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 07:44 AM

From Guest Alan:

"Thanks Lizzie, pity you deleted your bebo account ;)"

Now that's an interesting phrase, because the only reason I opened a bebo account, and very recently too, was to slam into two guys who were BNP supporters, who were saying some really degrading things about Mudcat and the people on here, particularly the women. One of them had a page called 'Mudcat Cafe' as I recall.

I've just re-registered to take another look and it seems you've closed your page to viewings.

Well, well, well.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 07:09 AM

""Personally I get as tired of the phrase PC (political correctness - opposite = political incorrectness), the opposite as I do with do-gooders opposite do-badders.
What I do find extremely depressing is that we need legislation to protect us from those who wish to pollute the world with terms like wog, nig-nog, coon, yid,""


And who protects us from those who use phrases like "overprivileged inbred buggers"? Nobody at all!

""everyone goes round calling him 'Your Majesty'""

NOT so WLD! Only the monarch is called "Majesty". Harry is a SIMPLE HRH, who is more likely to have been called "Ginger", or "Ginge", by his army colleagues, something which some people would find offensive.

Just a small moral comment.

I have been waiting for someone on this forum to point out that whoever passed the tape to N.o.t.W. was guilty of the CRIMINAL offence of theft, and that nasty rag was guilty of handling stolen property.

But that's alright, as long as it affords an opportunity for some here to vent their spleen on a young man who has done nothing more than be born into the royal family. The only person here with an ounce of impartiality on this subject appears to be Lizzie C.

I hate racism as much as anyone, but what is happening here is little, if any, better.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 05:08 AM

>>Question - how would you feel if one of them wanted to marry your sister?
Jim Carroll <<

As long as it wasn't Prince Philip, I would be OK with that.
Wish I had a sister

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 05:02 AM

Jim, it's very hard to have a reasonable conversation with someone who seems to equate Prince Harry with Hitler. Yikes! I mean, come on...let's get real here.

Harry's friend, Ahmed, has already stood up and said that he doesn't mind his nickname, nor does he mind Harry using it, and that his friend, the very same person you equate with Hitler, is NOT a racist.

Absolute end of story.

Unless you are someone who unequivocally hates an entire family in the same way that others hate an entire race..in which case, they'll simply keep spitting out the vitriol, same as any racist would, trying to turn all and sundry against those who are their prey.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 04:00 AM

PS - Jim

I believe you wrote this:

"All this from the wealthiest family in the land - thanks to their ability to live off the State."

You also need to check your facts on that as well.

1. The Royal family contribute to the exchequor at least three times what they receive from the "civil purse".

2. The Royal family are most certainly not the "wealthiest family in the land".

3. If you got rid of the Royal family tomorrow they would give themselves a 300% pay rise, the Government's coffers would only receive tax on net profit and would still have to pay for whoever it was became the new Kool-Britannia Head of State and their staff.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 03:51 AM

"As I remember it, historically, one of the reasons for going to war has always been "for Queen and Country" - that was very much part of my education anyway." - Jim Carroll

Well in that case Jim, your education was sadly lacking.

I had a good laugh at - one of the reasons for going to war has always been "for Queen and Country". Now the context in which I've always heard the phrase for Queen/King and Country was the reason given for serving in the armed forces. Oddly enough I have never heard of it being given as a reason for going to war, perhaps you can furnish us with some examples Jim.

Needless to say if your arguement and point of view are based on biased, ill-informed, erroneous crap then it will not stand up to any rational examination.

As for the rest of your post - you're scrambling and grasping at straws. If you find yourself in a hole Rule 1 is always - stop digging.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jan 09 - 03:30 AM

Lizzie,
As I remember it, historically, one of the reasons for going to war has always been "for Queen and Country" - that was very much part of my education anyway.
Anyway, as much as you might bluff and bluster, the main points are these. Here we have a family with a history of racist abuse and support for racist regimes. The latest examples are:
"Paki" - as in "Paki-bashing"
"Towel-"head" - as in "Let's go and kick the shit out of some Third-World country". (both of these from somebody who dresses up in a Nazi uniform)
"Fuzzy-Wuzzie" - see above.
"Sooty" - as in some poor creature destined to wander through life with somebody's hand up their arse!
All this from the wealthiest family in the land - thanks to their ability to live off the State.

Question - is such racism (please tell me these terms aren't racist) acceptable from State employees and would it be accepted were it to come from, say, a politician?

Question - would you like a family like this to move into your neighbourhood?

Question - how would you feel if one of them wanted to marry your sister?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 06:14 PM

I kinda glossed over that one, Teribus, 'cos I thought he was just trying to wind me up. ;0) Thanks for that info, though.


Al, public schools. Nope, you're not getting off lightly on that one either.. :0)

Yes, they can produce some 'orrible little oiks.

So can comprehensives. So can colleges. So can universities.

HOWEVER, public schools can also produce folk like Tom Bliss, a bloomin' decent man, if ever there was one.

All other forms of schools can do the same. Well, not produce a Tom Bliss, as he's a one-off of course, but...you know what I mean. :0)

It's not the schools, but the souls who are in them which count.

The hope is that 'the system', in all types of school, doesn't crush those souls, but hey, don't get me started on education again. :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 05:26 PM

"No, we don't 'go to war' Lizzie, we are sent to war by people just like this nasty little prick and his family" - Jim Carroll

Now over the years I've come across some pretty bloody stupid ill-informed crap written by supposedly intelligent people on this Forum - But that Jim-lad - Takes the f**kin' biscuit!! There is not one whit of it true, nor could it have been true for rather a large number of years now - In fact Jim, not since 1688.

Don't believe me Jim - direct from the "horses mouth as it were":

From - HOUSE OF LORDS
Select Committee on the Constitution

15th Report of Session 2005 - 2006

"Waging war: Parliament's role and responsibility"

Volume 1 - REPORT

Chapter 1 Introduction and Background

INTRODUCTION
1. Under the Royal prerogative powers, the Government can declare war and deploy armed forces to conflicts abroad without the backing or consent of Parliament.

BACKGROUND
The origins and nature of the prerogative
4. The Royal prerogative derives from the constitutional settlement enshrined in the Bill of Rights 1688, which in effect transferred to Ministers certain rights which were previously the exclusive preserve of the Monarch.

So from that Jim - Neither Harry's Granny or any of her predecessors going all the way back to William of Orange could send any of their subjects off to war as you contend.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 05:05 PM

"calling someone exactly those same words, you'd castigate him for it.
Double standards, methinks, Jim.
Nope, just taking a lead from my betters (to make my point).
"I find this most odd, as you've never met him, but, hey ho."
Never met Hitler, but I believe he was a nasty little prick as well.
The double standards come from people who believe racist language to be acceptable as long as it's used by our 'betters'
Roll o the republic
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 04:38 PM

- but not too often, one fancies.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 04:37 PM

well we'll see.

A spirited defence of of harry, Lizzie - and I hope he deserves it.

I will say this though - you learn a lot of 'bad shit' at public school. Ingrained racism and class hatred without even knowing that its happening to you (see my post 12 Jan 09 - 01:54 PM ).

You're right Lizzie - I don't know harry, but I know how that form of education works on the soul. After which, he's not gone to university - but to one of the recognised havens of racism and that kind of nastiness in our society.

People do come out of it with all the decency and warmth of james Blunt

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 03:45 PM

I don't know Harry so I can't say if he is racist or not. Certainly there is nothing in that video to indicate to me that he is racist. Clearly it wasn't a sensible thing to say but he has apologised and that should be the end of the matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 03:29 PM

"..yet if *he* were on a video"

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 03:26 PM

"This nasty little prick has proved beyond a doubt he is a racist."

Well, Jim, I guess you know Harry far better than his friend, Ahmed, who has stood up for him.

I find this most odd, as you've never met him, but, hey ho.

I also find it odd that you feel you can call him that, yet if were on a video, calling someone exactly those same words, you'd castigate him for it.

Double standards, methinks, Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 03:07 PM

"Surely it's time to leave him alone"
Gladly - preferably somewhere in the middle of the Gobi Desert.
This nasty little prick has proved beyond a doubt he is a racist.
No, we don't 'go to war' Lizzie, we are sent to war by people just like this nasty little prick and his family, usually against third world countries of 'Towelheads, 'Sootys' and 'Pakies' - not forgetting Phil the Greek's 'Fuzzie-Wuzzies'.
Personally I have no great objection to his donning a Nazi uniform; it allows us us see it like it really is.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 02:19 PM

No, I don't know him, Al, but...neither do you.

I give people the benefit of the doubt though, and refuse to judge them on what a sleazy news rag has written about them in the hope to stir up a hornet's nest of hatred against him and his family. As I said, they've failed, miserably and have been shown up for the complete sleazy types they are.

I've met quite a few of the 'aristocracy' if you want to call them that, when I worked in Harley St. Some were 'orrible little snobs, who got short shrift from me, but some were the most charming and humble people. I also met 'the peasants' as you'd call them, and again, some were people I'd not want to give house room to, and some were the most lovely of folk.

Prince or Pauper, it matters not. What matters is the person inside.

Harry's 'inside' is still forming. He's still a young man, and still learning. He's had a bad start in life, despite being a Prince, and I've no doubt at all that he'd give up every single penny he has, every jewel, every posh suit, every polo pony, every dolly bird, if he could have his mother back.

He and William have not only had to live with losing their mother in such distressing circumstances, but they've had to live with the constant nastiness of the press, bringing her out every year, slagging her off, trashing her, telling terrible lies, sensationalising eveything, just to sell their rotten papers...They've had to endure people writing books about her, making money out of her in every way.

They've had enough.

For God's sake, can't they be left alone, to live their lives now?

Even if they retired from being 'royal' they'd NEVER be left alone, because they're Diana's sons, and will be hounded by the very b*stards who hounded their mother, until the day the both die.

Geez! They almost had Dodi Al-Fayed as a stepfather, and were seen spending happy days with he and Diana shortly before they both died...Racist? Oh come ON!

Titles don't impress me one bit, people impress me...and to be honest, if I were Harry, and I'd had to endure the shite that had been written about a mother I loved, I'd probably have gone completely off the rails and told the whole world to foooook OFF by now..and I think most of us would.

He's a human being, same as you or me..and he feels things the same as you or I, I'd imagine. The fact he's a prince is NOT his fault. And to judge him for that alone is wrong. He's no different from many other kids these days, who are a bit slow on understanding what is and is not acceptable in life, because there's a huge 'in yer face' attitude these days, that cuts right through every level of rich or poor. An Eton education is little different from anywhere else these days, because kids want to party, party, party, and not learn, learn, learn. The intense pressure poured down on young people to live their lives in a certain way to achieve, achieve, achieve by the time they're 17 touches them all, be they from the local comp, or the local Eton. Kids have a whole lifetime to achieve...we all take time to become who we are meant to be. Once we were all given time, now 'time' is marked on a form and ticked in a box, year by year by year.

I've no doubt, that if Harry were defending you in a warzone, then he'd put his life at risk to save you, or anyone else, without a second thought, along with all his mates, who'd give their lives for each other and for us.

Surely it's time to leave him alone.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 01:51 PM

do you know the guy lizzie, you seem to have a warm regard for the little fellow.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 01:21 PM

As I said before, I wasn't addressing the Harry thing as much as the negative stuff I've read in this thread against those of us who do choose to speak up/out and what goes on in society in general. You can't just cry "too much PC" and ignore institutional racism and I don't mean just when a public figure may have said something. I mean amongst general society, as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 01:12 PM

Despite my irreverent manner Jim C. Indeed I do. Hence the (I trust) pertinant reminder of this incident. As others here have said however, I believe rascism (and indeed fascism?), may be written through the Royal Family line, like Brighton Rock.
Very bad show...

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 01:10 PM

Nope. When he (stupidly) wore that uniform, egged on by his older brother, William, he was very young and a bit daft, despite an Eton education. William apologised humbly for being so stupid and thoughtless, as did Harry.

Loads of young lads do very stupid things when they're that age, Jim, things they'll cringe over when they're older. I've no doubt he wore it with the intention of taking the mickey out of the SS, when he got to the party, not going around making racist comments, but then...that would be looking at things from a different angle again.

The Sins of the fathers, (or the Duke of Windsor as then was) should not be visited upon the children. Heck, Chamberlain back then thought that Hitler was a very nice chappie...??!!!??

The whole argument here has been brought to a halt because, no matter how many people choose to decide in their own minds that Harry is a racist, the very person who knows him well and was the object of what Harry said, without malice, has stood up, said he's Harry's friend and that he was just fine about his nickname and that Harry is NOT a racist.

The End. (Again Again)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 01:01 PM

Does no-one make a connection between this prat using openly racist language and wearing the Nazi uniform - after all, support for facists is a family tradition for the royals?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 12:10 PM

Geez, that's a nasty page.

I guess some folk get their kicks out of it though.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 11:55 AM

Oops!

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 11:52 AM

Oh I like Harry loads, he's just a good old 'Inbreed Nazi Whoreson!'*

*Whoreson means by-blow, or bastard btw. Though technically he can't really be termed a by-blow AND an inbreed. I wonder how his good mates manage to make up friendly nick-names outa that funny muddle!

The little Nazi Bastard!! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Alan
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 11:14 AM

Thanks Lizzie, pity you deleted your bebo account ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 09:59 AM

There is *nothing* more *to* say.

The News of the World tried it's best to make something that had no malice in it at all, as deeply malicious as it could. They have failed. miserably.

You have tried to do the same thing 'alan' and you too have also failed, miserably.

I guess we won't hear from you until the next 'Harry Story' is dragged up, by a twisting, spinning, vindictive set of journalists who'll stop at nothing to get this young lad dragged down as far as they can get him.

Now be a good lad yourself and take your hatred somewhere else.

Harry and Ahmed are good pals, always have been, probably always will be, and I've no doubt that each would give his life for the other, in the call of duty.

Get over it.

Thank you so much

The End. (again)

:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 08:53 AM

Ah yes, but *that's* about an appalling racist attack, eanjay, and not about Prince Harry, therein lies the difference.

Yup, a great deal of anti-English feeling in some parts of Scotland, Wales too, once you get up to North Wales...I know, I've been there, bought the Welsh English Dictionary to read the graffiti all over the bridges..

Yikes! If we had that written on our bridges, there'd be an outcry. Funny ol' world ain't it.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, as Teribus said when he posted the remarks of Harry's friend who said he'd taken no offence and knows Harry is NOT a racist:

The End.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 08:42 AM

This seems a little more serious but has received less press coverage.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 08:41 AM

Taken from the link given by Teribus, above:

January 17, 2009
Army captain comes to Prince Harry's defence over 'Paki' remarkKevin Dowling
The Pakistani army captain who was called a 'Paki' by Prince Harry has said the prince is not a racist.

Speaking about the incident for the first time, Ahmed Raza Khan said the prince was his friend and that he had no bad feelings against him.

The Sun newspaper said Khan told Harry to "forget about it" when the Prince phoned to apologise.

Harry was caught on film three years ago referring to Khan as "our little Paki friend".

Related Links
Muslim leader condemns Prince Harry for 'paki' remark
Prince Harry apologises 'Paki' remark
Harry in hot water over 'Paki' remark
Multimedia
VIDEO: what Prince Harry said
POLL: what now for his military career?
Khan said: "The Prince called me by a nickname which is usually very insulting but I know he didn't mean it that way. We were close friends when we were training and I know he is not a racist."

The two soldiers were said to have exchanged stories with each other about fighting the Taleban when Harry rang Khan to apologise.

The Ministry of Defence said the Chief of the General Staff had directed the Royal Military Police to investigate how the material entered the public domain.

A spokeswoman said: "If that investigation reveals any other breach, that will be investigated."

She added that the Adjutant General was writing to the army to remind them of their policy on equality and diversity.

Palace officials have said the 24-year-old Prince was "extremely sorry" for the comment and stressed that Harry had been speaking to a friend without malice.......

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 08:37 AM

"everyone goes round calling him 'Your Majesty'"

That's not his fault. He may well hate it, cringe every time he hears it, we don't know.

"course he thinks he's better than everyone else. It would seem a pretty fair conclusion. amongst human creatures i am one majestic specimen."

Nope, that's your supposition, not fact. His mother went out of her way to get her sons to see the other side of life, taking them to visit the homeless, the AIDS patients, those far less fortunate than themselves, to try and get them to understand how privileged they were, and still are.

Harry and William do good things too, wld, but of course, those are hardly ever reported on.

"a lot of people on this thread seem to think he's got a right to say stuff that most people would get the sack for."

Then sack the whole damn army in every country in the world, because I bet they all say things about each other, black, white, yellow, red, brown or green, no matter where they come from, what side they're on. I bet they all have nicknames for each other too. Some will use those terms maliciously against 'their enemies', some won't.
Some will use nicknames for their mates that we 'out here' may consider odd, but we're not them, so how can we judge?

Again, unless you *know* the person concerned, were there at the time and know the feelings of all concerned, then you cannot judge this incident fairly.

"in fact go on Prince harry - abuse me please - it would really nice of you to call me something derogatory. It would really make this peasant's day, if you were to call me a piece of shit."

But he wouldn't, would he. And you know he wouldn't, Al.

All he's done is be a bloke in the army, same as any bloke in any army, in any country. He's been boiled in oil for it though because he's *Prince Harry* and there are those who hate the Royal family deeply and see this as another opportunity to get them out, or at least to throw all they can at them.

I see many posts in here filled with the same kind of hatred for people they've never met, the same kind of judgement poured upon complete strangers, which racists use against a whole ethnic group/family.

Perhaps the term 'Royalist' should have a new meaning, akin to 'Racist'?


And have we learnt anything from the Holocaust, Jim. Not a great deal, no. We still have armies, filled with youngsters trained to kill 'the enemy'. Do they call the 'enemy' nice names and therefore 'humanise' them? I guess not, otherwise they'd not be able to go out and kill them would they.

If you want to blame anyone, then maybe it's the fault of the army themselves, because they train people to kill other people. Get rid of that instinct, that training, and you're nearly there...

...until of course, you get invaded by another army who will kill you at the touch of a button.

How do we end it all? There is only ONE way to end Hate, and that is with Love.

Create armies of Peace. Create armies of Love....THEN go to war against Hate and you may finally have a battle worth fighting.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 08:14 AM

I'll try again:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5535423.ece

THE END

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 08:01 AM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/theroyalfamily/4276705/Soldier-called-Paki-by-Prince-Harry-insists-there-are-no-hard-

THE END

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 07:22 AM

everyone goes round calling him 'Your Majesty'

course he thinks he's better than everyone else. It would seem a pretty fair conclusion. amongst human creatures i am one majestic specimen.

a lot of people on this thread seem to think he's got a right to say stuff that most people would get the sack for.

in fact go on Prince harry - abuse me please - it would really nice of you to call me something derogatory. It would really make this peasant's day, if you were to call me a piece of shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 06:58 AM

Personally I get as tired of the phrase PC (political correctness - opposite = political incorrectness), the opposite as I do with do-gooders opposite do-badders.
What I do find extremely depressing is that we need legislation to protect us from those who wish to pollute the world with terms like wog, nig-nog, coon, yid, sheeny, kike, greasball, papist, left-footer, Polak etc (not forgtting Paki, Towelhead and Sooty).
Have we learned sod-all from the Holocaust?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 06:40 AM

"This was a private time between friends, in an airport,"

So as long as you only use racist slurs when black people can't hear you, it's okay. Now I understand how racism works.


It'll be interesting to see whether Harry's friend decides to take him to court over this, if he's so upset. Interestingly, Harry's mate hasn't been interviewed over this, not a word has been heard, as far as I know. Now, I'd have thought, had he been torn apart by it all, that he'd have jumped at the opportunity to make a small fortune from interviews. Nobody knows the exacts in's and out's of all this, apart from Harry and his mates.   

It is SO easy to call someone a racist. It's the new horror, isn't it. The new way to make people hate others. Hell, I've had it thrown at me many a time in here and elsewhere, by two posters. The thing I find so interesting in here though, is that one of the posters who's up in arms about what Harry said, (when it was apparently said with no malice) has used deeply malicious words to try and hurt and wound others in here, knowing full well that those words cause offence.

I don't understand the logic there. Why is their behaviour acceptable to themselves, yet Harry's is not.

It was only recently, in the English Culture thread, that I learnt from the other poster, that Sid James was Jewish and South African, and therefore apparently not allowed, from their point of view, to be part of English culture. I found this shocking and far more racist that anything Harry came out with, which again, was a term used amongst friends, in a private video, where the chap he acknowledged was a friend.

One rule for Harry.

One rule for everyone else, so it would seem.

Jack, I didn't notice you in that thread, taking that poster to task over it. Interesting. And I'd not swap places with Harry, not for one single moment, despite all the wealth and 'privilege' he has. I bet though that he'd love to swap places with me, or you, where he could simply be an ordinary person who wouldn't have been hanged drawn and quartered for saying what he did, because no-one would ever have come to hear it in the first place, or been interested.


And yes, he's a public figure, poor lad, and for that, every single time he opens his mouth, for the rest of his life, some b*stard will be there, waiting to sell their story to the newspaper about 'what Harry said and what Harry *REALLY* meant'" and how he's such a nasty, vicious little Royal oik, who should be banished from the whole of humanity...etc..etc..etc..Imagine how that must feel, no freedom whatsoever for the rest of your life, even if you give up being a prince, you'll still sell papers and that's what this is about, imo.

As I said above, had this whole incident been filmed by an ordinary soldier, no-one, but NO-ONE would have batted an eyelid or paid a small fortune for the video, or put it on their front pages. Why? Because when faced with the idea, their Editor would have said "But, there's NO story here, what the foooook are you wasting my time for?"

It's all just such crap.

Never mind though, it gives the hypocritical 'holier than thou' folks a chance to come out and say their bit, before they go back to their hypocritical spewing out of deeply unpleasant and personal comments on here, without a thought about how it affects others, whilst criticising what they perceive to be the very same thing in Harry.


kat, I come from a time before PC. I was brought up to think about others. I was brought up to be polite and respectful. I was also brought up in a time when people were able (and allowed) to laugh at themselves far more and laugh with each other. People were more trusting and saw the good in each other, rather than always looking for the bad, always feeling, as so often happens nowadays, that there is 'some ulterior motive or meaning' in what someone says or does.

Yes, PC makes people think, but it also, imo, has made many people paranoid and deeply suspicious.

We've turned into a society now fearful of saying many things, because almost every word can carry a hidden 'meaning' or 'danger' if someone is determined enough to twist or spin it to their own ends. Our 'thoughts' are no longer are own, because the moment you've said something, you are tried, found guilty and sentenced to be hanged, drawn and quartered by the PC brigade or the press who apparently know far better than you what your *actual* intention and meaning was.

It's scary.

I think PC has gone a long way to destroying society, rather than making it better.

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with malicious and deeply racist comments and practices being stopped. Of course I do. But when things such as this are taken by a greedy paper, blown up out of all proportion, and used for no other reason tha, imo, to make themselves loadsa money and kick one individual they detest, because they loathe his family and what they stand for. then hell, it makes me mad.

I tell you what 'Guest Alan'...if you believe in the News of the World so much, why not ring them up and suggest ALL the extra money they've made from their story on Harry, should be used to create a 'Let's End Racist Words FOREVER' campaign....and see what they say. I don't think you'll get far, because, as I said, imo, this is NOT about racism in the slightest, from their point of view, but about the News of the World making money and kicking the Royal family. Please let me know if they DO take it up though, as I'd sure love to hear that I'm wrong.

Jim, I hear what you say, and agree in the 'wider world' but in this case, I don't think that was 'the case' at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Stu
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 04:46 AM

"I'm sure Harry gets more than his fair share of 'names' for being a Prince and I'm also sure that he comes in for a fair amount of unfair hostility from some in the army, simply because he was born into the Royal Family, not something he ever asked to happen"

My heart bleeds for him - life sure is tough. It must be difficult for him dealing with the injustice of being born into wealth and privilege.

I'm constantly amazed by the leeway shown to the Royal Family - they can even insult a sizeable proportion of their own citizens (who are paying to keep the buggers rich) and still ordinary people leap to their defence.

"maybe he calls Harry by his own choice of nickname."

Let's get this straight - he wasn't using a nickname, he described the soldier as "Ah, our little Paki friend, Ahmed.". This isn't his nickname, it's a description, a name he's using to describe the racial origins of the person in question.

In this case, we're supposed to let racism slide because poor old Harry can't shake his imperialist attitude to those poor old colonials - at least 'Sooty' knows his place and damn well stays there, Ahmed's family have had the audacity to suggest they were offended, never mind all the asians that his comment might

As I've said before, if that had been said in an ordinary office he would have been sacked, and quite rightly.

Bollocks to him and his ilk.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Jan 09 - 04:32 AM

An essential part of the process of getting six million Jews into the ovens of Auschwitz was to dehumanise them by labelling them 'Yids' - that's how racism works at its most efficient.
If 'Paki', 'Towelhead' and 'Sooty' are acceptible, how does 'over-privileged inbred' sound?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 07:49 PM

It doesn't matter if it was just between so-called friends. ANYTHING Harry does has the potential to become public. And, as it happens, the minority may have just been going along to get along, as the schoolgirl who was noted earlier in this thread:

The uncle of Captain Ahmed Raza Khan told the BBC his nephew had never told the family Prince Harry was a 'good friend'.

A video has been published of Prince Harry using racist language to describe a member of his platoon.

The 2006 film was made public by the News of the World and shows the prince calling one of his then Sandhurst colleagues a "Paki".

Iftakhar Raja, who identified the man as his nephew Captain Ahmed Raza Khan, told the BBC he was 'deeply offended' by the remark.

Yes, I understand about the media and, I personally, like the Royals, though I don't know if I would if I were living over there, but they still will be held to higher standards and the young man needs to understand that. He CAN do better than his father and grandfather, I am sure, if he is educated. It's ironic since so many times minorities are told by their parents, peers, etc. to be on their best behaviour because they are representing all of their community and how they are all perceived. Unfair, yes, but it has been so.

My earlier remarks were more beyond the Harry thing, anyway, addressing some of the remarks made here about PC and racism, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 07:32 PM

The Prince charles sooty thing is a weak attempt at a stunt to deflect attention from Harry and put it on him and illustrate a point that Harry didn't mean any harm.

The family of the Soldier that Harry called a Paki were upset about it.

Not because they are politicians but because they found it hurtful.

Anyone give a shit?

Twats. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 07:31 PM

"This was a private time between friends, in an airport,"

So as long as you only use racist slurs when black people can't hear you, it's okay. Now I understand how racism works.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 06:34 PM

well if he's not a racist, he wants putting right in no uncertain terms.

Don't do it again.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 06:33 PM

You wouldn't call him a 'Merkin' would you? I've heard that a few times around here, and I think it's more offensive than 'Paki'. Maybe 'Merican' would be on the same level.

Of course, that's just my point of view.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: GUEST,Alan
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 06:23 PM

Well said Lizze, too many here finding a way out for young Hewitt. What kind of example is he setting ? he is a role model to many kids and I imagine a lot of kids in the playground received new nicknames in the past week.

So if I went to college with the new president and knew him a little I could come on here and call him what I want ? well it's only friendship isn't it ?

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 05:48 PM

From kat:

"Those of you who are relating this to what you consider silly nicknames, etc. in your own lives, don't get it. Regardless of whether Harry and friends are used to using such "banter" he IS a public figure and held to higher standards of conduct, or should be, for the example he sets. Also, the things you have all cited, could be changed. A person's skin colour cannot be changed and what one is called applies to the whole community of whichever minority is being denigrated."


No-one's disputing that racism isn't vile, kat. It is.

Many people are simply saying that Harry is not a racist.

There's a big difference.   

This was a private time between friends, in an airport, with a somewhat daft Prince of the Realm shooting an even dafter video. He wasn't going up to strangers in the airport and yelling racist abuse at them. It happened 3 years ago, and his friend sought no legal action against Harry, probably because he wasn't bothered and who knows, maybe he calls Harry by his own choice of nickname.

I'm sure Harry gets more than his fair share of 'names' for being a Prince and I'm also sure that he comes in for a fair amount of unfair hostility from some in the army, simply because he was born into the Royal Family, not something he ever asked to happen.

Racism is vile. Absolutely.

Name calling is vile. Yes, if done with the intent to deliberately cause upset and harm.

Belittling is also vile, yet there are those on this thread who choose very often to belittle, yet think nothing of it whatsoever, feeling it is 'their right' to do so. It ain't. To me, it harbours the same kind of malicious intent that racism does, and that is to hurt. It matters not whether the hurt is aimed at an individual, or an entire race. Deliberately choosing to try and hurt others is wrong.

Harry has many enemies, as do the rest of his family. It was an enemy who sold this to the pathetic, greedy paper concerned. Don't get me wrong, the Royals leave me cold, other than The Duchess of Kent, who's spent so much of her life helping others, but to stir something that didn't need stirring, simply to bash the Royals, Harry in particular, and to make loadsa money, is pretty shameful. But The News of the World doesn't feel shame.

Tell me, if it had been a regular soldier, would the newspaper concerned have made the same fuss? Would they have put a regular soldier on the front page, paid a fortune for the video, splashed it across their pages?

No.

And you know why? Because they're really not *that* interested in racism.

However, they're damned interested in kicking Harry and his family and they're even more interested in making money.

And **THAT** (for me) is the real story behind this story.

Subject: RE: BS: Prince Harry - What a star!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 03:38 PM

"After all, they did it in all innocence before racism was bad.

When was racism anything other than vile? Even when too many people didn't recognise that it was vile. Especially when too many people didn't recognise that it was vile.