BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: Bee
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 10:16 AM

Because, Dickey, that's political hyperbole. The Canadian health care system is not collapsing, and like everything else, it always needs more money and it always could be better. In fact wait times for a variety of procedures are significantly down.

Dickey, I am of an age where many of my age peers are needing serious care for heart problems, diabetes, cancers, etc. Guess what? They go to the doctor and they get care. I don't know anyone, myself, who's died waiting for health care, though I'm sure there are a few. Whatever flaws there are, it beats getting no care at all, as seems to be the case in the US. I'm not pulling that out of a hat, I have a good number of relatives stateside, and their health is often compromised because they cannot afford medical care or their insurance doesn't cover it.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 09:38 AM

LH: What is the quality of that free medical care?

"I was sure that it was Israel who bombed Lebanon"

You are still struggling with the fact that Hizbollah, an Iranian force, attacked Israel and Israel retaliated.

Canada's Medical Nightmare - by Robert J. Cihak, M.D.

"the major candidates in Canada's recent national election both agreed the country's health care system is failing. They made the usual socialist diagnosis of "not enough money." None of the candidates mentioned government control as what ails the Canadian system."

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 12:28 AM

I sometime cross borders just for a breath of fresh air,,,,, but I don't fly,,,,,,,the birds do.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 12:25 AM

Guest - People go BOTH ways across that border seeking various alternatives in medical treatment for various reasons. There are also a lot of Canadians AND Americans who go to Mexico, the Caribbean or Europe for alternatives that they can't find in either the USA or Canada.

In other words, your point doesn't impress me, cos you don't really have one. I still have free medical care and you don't. ;-) Now go see if you can find a name, and some courage.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: dianavan
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 12:11 AM

"Does Iran and Syria provide($)for the large numbers of refugees who have had to flee as a result of Hezbollah attacks from Lebanon?"

Had to flee where? From whom?

I was sure that it was Israel who bombed Lebanon. By your logic, it is Israel who should be helping any Lebanese who had to flee as a result of Israeli attacks.

How many have had to flee Lebanon (or Israel for that matter) in the last four years?

How many have had to flee Iraq in the last four years?

You are desperately grasping at straws and your logic and reason are failing you. Get over it.

The Iraqi refugee crisis is the largest since the Palestinians had to flee.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Feb 07 - 12:07 AM

I paid my taxes & found out that a percentage of it was going to Hezbollah. I am going to ask the US AG to investigate & to return to me that which is mine, Ceasar can keep his share. As for the funny money, I saw Dick Gregory at the copy machine again & I've alerted Homeland Securties & Wall Street.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Feb 07 - 04:46 PM

" I do think that once you've used someone in this manner you have the responsibility to make sure that they are not left to be hung out to dry once the country or area is abandoned if they're in fear of their lives because of their actions."

This is absolutely true but I believe the U.S. should also help Syria and Iran provide($)for the large numbers of refugees who have had to flee as a result of the U.S. invasion in Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Feb 07 - 03:46 PM

"Peaceniks"????? Gosh. What do you call black folks, Dickey, "spearchuckers"? You mean wanting peace is supposed to be a bad thing? ;-)

We have a steady flow of immigrants here, Dickey, from all the usual places: Asia, Latin America, Africa...wherever living standards and salaries are lower than they are in North America or western Europe. We allow as many in on an annual basis as the government deems would not seriously disrupt our society. But many more come in undercover and stay illegally for awhile, just like in the USA. If we had a common border with Mexico, we'd have a real problem....because unlike you Yanks, we have FREE universal health coverage! We are a considerably MORE desirable spot to emigrate to than you are. The reason they go to you first is simply this: you are the easiest and least expensive refuge to physically get to. It does not require purchasing a plane ticket for a Mexican to go to the USA.

Why they want to come to the USA and Canada is totally obvious. We've got a lot of land (specially Canada) with room still for expansion. We've got a First World standard of living. We're not experiencing a domestic war or a violent domestic military government and we're not experiencing massive poverty or starvation.

Why wouldn't they want to come here? They want to come to Holland, Germany, the UK, France, and numerous other places for much the same reasons. People will always emigrate where conditions seem more favorable, and where opportunities seem greater.

Your blind spot is that you seem to think that only applies to the USA. It doesn't.

You know, Americans seem to suffer from this problem: they imagine their nation to be the center of the known Universe. It's not. Neither is it necessarily the "best" place to be in every sense known to man.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: Barry Finn
Date: 19 Feb 07 - 03:37 PM

"They helped us" It seems the Bush has decieded that more Irqais should be let into the country. At the same time there's a push to have those who were used by the US military to help, interpreters etc, in their efforts be allowed to emigrate here, many of course are wounded & mained being thy targets of attacks. That's it. In the past the US has used locals in their efforts in various wars, police actions & etc. I do think that once you've used someone in this manner you have the responsibility to make sure that they are not left to be hung out to dry once the country or area is abandoned if they're in fear of their lives because of their actions. This is something that should be offered up front & thought of before it becomes a part of the stock & trade of war & this should also be part of our costs in a planning stage. When asked for budget money add in the costs of buying Irqais, & their families & the costs to keep them here, healthy. That's all, you have your answer Dickey.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 19 Feb 07 - 02:52 PM

How many LH?

If America is as bad as the peaceniks claim, why would anybody want to come here?

Still waiting for an expalanation of "they helped US" and

"you can buy your own Iraqis"

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 06:17 PM

For some reason Fox doesn't mention that. *G*

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 01:49 PM

People all over the world want to come to Canada too, Dickey. And they do, in great numbers. How come you didn't know that?

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 01:42 PM

"they helped US" Explain.

"you can buy your own Iraqis" Explain.

I welcome all legal immigrants.

I think the pilgrims were fleeing persecution.

I think the Mexicans are fleeing poverty.

I think the Iraqis are fleeing secular violence.

My point is that people all over the world want to come to the US and if the US was so bad, why do they want to come here? Why not Canada which according to some, so much better, so much more peaceful and not mean spirited.

I think that Dianavan meanspiritedly makes simplified statements indicating that something is totally the fault of the US with out any details.

She repeadly defends mean spirited terrorist organizations like Hezbollah and mean spirited countries that do not give a damn about basic human rights like Iran.

There are lot of reasons for people fleeing Iraq. Does Iran have anything to do with this fleeing? al Qaeda?

How many fled because of Saddam? Has anybody tried to determine why they are fleeing? Where did the number come from?

All that is missing but no matter, slogans, banners, the bull horn and the angry clenched fist is still the preferred tool of the militant peace monger.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: autolycus
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 06:37 AM

Were the original Puritans,circa 1620, 'fleeing','seeking' or both?






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: dianavan
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 02:52 AM

Apples and Oranges, Dickey. Mexicans are not fleeing Mexico. They are seeking economic opportunity in a nation that happens to be next door. Fleeing and seeking are not the same thing.

btw - the majority of Iraqis have fled to Syria and Iran. Seems that Sweden also has its fair share.

C'mon, Dickey, admit it, you don't care about the Iraqi people. You want the U.S. in the Middle East to control the economy and protect Israel. If you really cared, you would give them shelter instead of driving them from their homes. Thats just plain mean-spirited, Dickey.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 18 Feb 07 - 01:01 AM

No explanations.

How many Mexicans "Flee" Mexico and enter illegaly into the US every day?

Was their homeland destroyed?

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 02:56 PM

"they helped US" Explain.

"you can buy your own Iraqis" Explain.

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: Barry Finn
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 01:20 PM

They didn't help Canada, they helped US. But you can buy your own Iraqis if you want TWO!
Barry

Subject: RE: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 17 Feb 07 - 09:47 AM

Why aren't they coming to Canada instead of the US? Canada is great and the people there are not mean spirited.

Subject: BS: 7000 refugees to arrive in the U.S.
From: dianavan
Date: 16 Feb 07 - 11:29 PM

I guess thats the least that can be done since their homeland has been destroyed. Still, a total of approx. 7,500 is not many when 3.8 million have had to flee since the invasion.

"The United States has allowed only 463 Iraq refugees into the country since the war began in 2003, even though some 3.8 million have been uprooted."

I know that 1.5 million Kurds fled to Iran and Turkey because of Saddam but how many refugees were created when he was in power?