BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: heric
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 10:03 PM

Okay already Carol I'll bite!

Why (why EXACTLY) did you ask the question: "What do you consider to be particularly 'Islamic' about the name - 'Saad Khalid', C-Ham?"

C-Ham never said that name - YOU picked it out of a list for, I assume, a specific and logical purpose and, after picking that name, you then needed to ask a question that was ONLY a question.


You know what else? I'll bet most of those marines in Haditha were WASP yankees just as I am. I'll bet you wouldn't mind me making that assumption and carrying on a conversation on that basis. Things are what they are. It may suck for Arab Muslims that some Arab Muslims kill innocent defenseless children, just as it sucks for me that some WASP yankees kill innocent defenseless children. It's fine to be alert for hidden bias in one's own thinking, but still, things are what they are!

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 09:05 PM

...or what it's got to do with me.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 09:03 PM

That's nice, heic. Still don't know what your point is, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: heric
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 07:17 PM

I just think an Arab Muslim with a bomb and Canadian citizenship is an Arab Muslim with a bomb and Canadian citizenship, that's all. Nothing to fear. Nothing to dance around.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 06:25 PM

Here's an interesting article...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1845&ncid=1845&e=1&u=/cpress/20060604/ca_pr_on_na/terror_arrests_backlash

I had been thinking the way the whole thing was staged looked a lot like Harper trying to look like Bush. But then I though, nahhhh... Canadians would see right through that.

I didn't know about the important Supreme Court decision that's coming up in about a week.

Canadians, I suggest you get ready for an "interesting" next few years (or however long Harper is in office... which could be a very long time, if your right-wing tries the same kind of election tactics that our right-wing guys have been using the last couple of elections. I think Mr. Harper has been taking lessons from someone.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: Jeri
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 05:56 PM

Heric, why do you think I'd be driven 'to distraction' because 'no one has said anything that reflects negatively on any specific community, or ethno-cultural group in Canada'? What do you think I'm about and why?

I like looking for truth. I think these guys would call themselves Moslems. I think anybody who would blow people up is a terrorist, and I think all terrorists are extremists. I believe Al Qaeda and their ilk are to Islam as the Ku Klux Clan is to Christianity. It's my impression that people are looking at a news story and trying so hard to find some nit-picky thing to fight about that they don't try to see any other possible reasons to talk about this issue.

Personally, I don't see that much to argue about here. It's a friggin' news story and facts are going to keep emerging.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 05:09 PM

D'van, CarolC, Jeri: It must be driving you all to distraction that no one has said anything that reflects negatively on any specific community, or ethno-cultural group in Canada.

Why would it do that, heric? And why do you assume that dianavan, Jeri, and I all hold the same opinions on this subject, and speak as one? And where have I indicated that I thought anyone was saying anything that reflects negatively on any specific community, or ethno-cultural group in Canada?

Come on... you're a lawyer. If I've done it, I'm sure you can produce the evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: C. Ham
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 04:58 PM

Dianavan,

Maybe you should check with the Muslim Canadian Congress. They seem to think that the Ontario terrorists are Muslim.

From the front page of the Muslim Canadian Congress website:

In a statement released today, the MCC said the Muslim Canadians are in a state of shock to learn that young members of their community would contemplate carrying our terror attacks on fellow citizens.

"Thank God these men were stopped before they could carry out their alleged plot," said Niaz Salimi, President of the MCC.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 04:52 PM

The linked articles that I read, excluding a couple of videos that take an extremely long time to load on my connection, were all quite careful to identify those arrested as "Canadian Citizens or Residents" and to note only that the organization with which they are accused of being associated was apparently "Al-Qaeda inspired." Some, but not all, noted that they were predominately persons with "Arabic sounding names." At least one item did state that "the organization" had made public claims of being "Al-Qaeda inspired," but did not provide a citation to verify that offhand(?) statement.

The step to referring to those arrested as "Islamic Terrorists" was perhaps too casually taken, but hardly merits, at this time, any accusation of "racism" or even of "nationalism."

While the bitter arguments about "who's da worst and baddest" seem to be unavoidable here, they seem to have little purpose other than the stoking and stroking of egos, most of which are well known to us all.

What is significant is that the explosive materials found do indicate nefarious purpose. The absence of other expected materials does, perhaps, indicate that the alleged "plan" was at an early stage.

For anyone who might want to assess exactly what was found, it should be pointed out that the "3 tonnes" of fertilizer was uniformly reported as metric tonnes which is slightly different than 3 times what was used in the Oklahoma bombing. Given the innacuracy of such "new estimates," it probably doesn't make much difference, but a "metric ton" is a bit over 2,200 lb, while a US ton, in common usage is 2,000 lb. (And according to the SI agreement, it is metric ton and NOT metric tonne, even if you're French, but newspersons wouldn't know that.)

In a single explosion, that amount of ammonium nitrate would produce a blast possibly as large as in the Oklahoma bombing, but probably not a great deal larger. In Oklahoma, a substantial diesel fuel boost was used, and would be necessary for an effective application of this large an amount of fertilizer as an explosive in a single attack.

This may be taken as an indication that the suspects had not completed their preparations and additional materials were intended to be procured later, that additional materials they would have been expected to have are still "at large" elsewhere, or that they're a pretty amateur bunch of nuts. Take your pick, if you wish; but it won't matter much which you choose until further information on the arrests and results of the ongoing investigation and charges is available.

About the only thing that is certain is that it's unlikely anyone would have legitimate reason to possess that amount of fertilizer unless they were planning a "community garden" encompassing at least a few thousand acres of vacant urban lots with very bad soil.

Beyond the quibble (and it is a small one) about the comparisons between what this band planned and what was done in Oklahoma, I believe I'll wait for additional information before forming opinions.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: freda underhill
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 04:48 PM

yes, thankfully.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 04:46 PM

Here we have a thread about the arrest of Islamic terrorists in Ontario and CarolC is trying to change the subject to the American war in Iraq.

Meanwhile Dianavan is trying to spin us that there is no absolute proof that every single one of the Islamic terrorists is a Moslem.

So mudcattingly predictable those two.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: heric
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 04:09 PM

D'van, CarolC, Jeri: It must be driving you all to distraction that no one has said anything that reflects negatively on any specific community, or ethno-cultural group in Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: dianavan
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 03:26 PM

C. Ham - I haven't read anywhere that Tarek Fatah (or anyone else) referred to these criminals as Islamic Terrorists. In fact, the assistant director of CSIS (in the same article) say, "It is important to know that this operation in no way reflects negatively on any specific community, or ethno-cultural group in Canada,"

The other article profiles the individuals and does indicate that some of them are Islamic but does not factually state that they are all Islamic. They were, apparently, engaged in terrorist activities. The assumption is, of course, that they are Islamic terrorists but Canada is very careful about blaming a specific cultural group for the criminal activity of a few.

Thats the difference between the Canadian perspective and the red-necked, American perspective.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: *daylia*
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 03:20 PM

So, according to these calculations 9/11 X (a chilling) 66.66 ad infinitum would balance things out.

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 03:03 PM

It would be the equivalent of around 66.66666(etc) 9/11s by percentage.

Iraq has approximately 30 million people, not 30,000. The US has almost 300 million. Approximate numbers of Iraqi civilians killed by US and "coalition" forces in the invasion and occupation probably more than 20,000 (conservative figure).

20,000 x 10 = 200,000... divided by 3,000 = 66.66666(etc.)

It's still a sobering thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 02:57 PM

robomatic, the (approximately) 20,000 figure is just based on civilians directly killed by US forces, not insurgents. But I still got my numbers wrong.

I'll do it again.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 02:54 PM

No, that's wrong. I need to do that over.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 02:52 PM

It is indeed a sobering thought but you are severely muddying the waters by not making it clear that a large number of Iraqis are being killed by their fellow Iraqis in what is to us very confusing and multi-sided fratricidal mayhem. Maybe you are confused as well hence attribute it generally to "US led invasion and occupation".

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: number 6
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 02:48 PM

Thanks Carol ... it is a sobering fact.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 02:45 PM

I'm not all that great with numbers, but based on the figures I've found, the population of the United States is more than ten times larger than that of Iraq. So if you multiply 30,000 (Population of Iraq... I rounded up a bit) by 10, you get 300,000. The number of Iraqi civilians killed by the US led invasion and occupation, as a percentage of the total population would be equivalent to 300,000 US civilians killed. Divide that by 3,000 (approximate number of US civilians killed on 9/11), and you get 100.

That means that the number of civilians killed by the US led invasion and occupation of Iraq is the equivalent of roughly 100, 9/11s by percentage of population.

If terrorists committed ONE HUNDRED attacks on the US that each produced the same number of deaths as on 9/11, that would equal the approximate number of Iraqi civilians killed by the US led invasion and occupation.

A sobering thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: number 6
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 12:31 PM

"Is 6000 pounds of ammonium nitrate and a cellphone detonator pretty much a standard thing for Candian citizens?"

Being a Canadian I don't think it's a standard 'thing' for my fellow citizens. But it certainly is peanuts compared the the amount of 'things' that have killed 20+ K Iraqi civilians in the last 3 years.

Let's face it ... the world is in a very violent state of being ... it doesn't matter what religion, political ideology ... humans are killing humans all over the world.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: *daylia*
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 12:09 PM

Pretty much not, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 10:39 AM

Is 6000 pounds of ammonium nitrate and a cellphone detonator pretty much a standard thing for Candian citizens?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: C. Ham
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 09:59 AM

Here's an article from the Toronto Star on the terrorists.

The picture of "women believed to be family members of some of the men arrested" would sure suugest to me that they are Moslems.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: C. Ham
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 09:43 AM

C. Ham says, "I have referred to them as "Islamic terrorists" because that is how they have been describded on both of the Canadian TV news networks (CBC Newsworld and CTV Newsnet) by representatives of the RCMP and Ontario police."

Can you please link to these sources so that I don't have to look at all 474 related articles. I can't seem to find a description of the men arrested as "Islamic Terrorists".

Gee Dianavan, I'm really sorry that I don't have links for the TELEVISION reports I saw of RCMP and Onatrio police press conference.

However, how about this link in which Canadian Muslim Congress spokesman Tarek Fatah says the Islamic terrorists in Ontario "is a small group of criminals and they don't reflect the vast Muslim community in Toronto."

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: GUEST,*daylia*
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 08:55 AM

PS Just to clarify, I'm only speculating above. The article does not mention the Reserve specifically, only the township where it's located. These alleged "terrorists" could have been plotting and planning off-reserve after all - lurking in the forest, surrounded by trilliums, besieged by blackflies and mosquitoes, with their fishing boats close by ready to make a getaway?!?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: *daylia*
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 08:40 AM

From the CBC website today, confirming that most of the 17 suspects are Canadian citizens and that their target is Canada.

The charges allege that the men knowingly participated in a terrorist group and either received or provided terrorist training in Toronto, nearby Mississauga, Fort Erie and Ramara Township, located on the shores of Lake Simcoe in central Ontario's cottage county

Ramara Township?!? Say it isn't so! I've been up there a few times over the last few weeks -- so quiet, peaceful and lovely, nestled between Lake Couchiching and Lake Simcoe, just north of LH's roost in Orillia. My son just started training towards his chef's papers there, at Casino Rama's classy restaurants on the Rama First Nation's Reserve. He tells me that some of Canada's basic laws and standards don't seem to apply on the reserve ie   the international restaurants there (such as the one run by Asians exclusively for Asians) are exempt from Canada's Health Act. So, he finds some the practices and procedures in that kitchen shocking to say the least -- for example, they kill the fresh eels they need to make certain delicacies onsite, simply by grabbing the tails and smashing their heads on the kitchen floor.    8-(

ANd now I'm wondering if this apparent immunity to Canadian law makes reserves a target for would-be terrorists. If that's the case, in today's political climate you're not likely to hear about it on the news!

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 06:46 AM

from the first clicky, in the first post to this thread...
"Most of the 12 adults, whose ages range from 19 to 43, have Arabic names but police say no one community should be singled out.

Muslim leaders in Toronto have condemned the planned attack and said extremist messages had been preached in some area mosques in recent years.

The suspects appear to have "chosen a violent ideology inspired by al-Qaeda", said Luc Portelance, assistant director of operations for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), Canada's spy agency.

Aly Hindy, an imam at a Toronto mosque, said he knew most of the accused and believed one or two were involved in crime but not terrorism. "

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 11:42 PM

There is nothing wrong with Islam. The problem is extremists (of any religion).

LOL, Art.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 11:24 PM

Bullfrog Beer !

That was absolutely my favorite off-the-wall name for any beer.

Their motto:"If it's good for your mother, it's good for you. GOOD Bullfrog Beer!!"

...Whoops---wrong thread. (Sorry!!)

Art

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: number 6
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 10:10 PM

Then there are the white kids who are lost from the mainstream of the current 'high school' culture, looking for some sort of spirituality and meaning in a world gone mad ... who somehow find Islam as their saving grace ... adopt an Islamic name and it goes from there.

Steve Earl's song Jonny Walker comes to mind here ....

I'm just an American boy raised on MTV
And I've seen all those kids in the soda pop ads
But none of 'em looked like me
So I started lookin' around for a light out of the dim
And the first thing I heard that made sense was the word
Of Mohammed, peace be upon him

A shadu la ilaha illa Allah
There is no God but God

If my daddy could see me now – chains around my feet
He don't understand that sometimes a man
Has got to fight for what he believes
And I believe God is great, all praise due to him
And if I should die, I'll rise up to the sky
Just like Jesus, peace be upon him


We came to fight the Jihad and our hearts were pure and strong
As death filled the air, we all offered up prayers
And prepared for our martyrdom
But Allah had some other plan, some secret not revealed
Now they're draggin' me back with my head in a sack
To the land of the infidel

A shadu la ilaha illa Allah

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 08:30 PM

A Rose by any other name is still a Rose

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 08:02 PM

"Just because a guy loks like an Arab and his name is Yasim Abdi Mohamed and his wife wears a hajib and he's busted for bomb-making doesn't give you the right to assume the guy is an Islamic terrorist."

Very good, heric.

I didn't see the list of names of those who were arrested when I posted previously. Based on what heric said, we can deduct that those arrested had names indicating that they are from a middle-eastern culture. We cannot assume that they are all Muslim or that they are terrorists.

Sounds like they were up to some criminal activity but whether or not they were all Islamic Terrorists is not yet known.

You should know better than that, heric.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 07:40 PM

I do not give a rat's ass what religion or 'ethnicity' they are. Put the fu#kers in jail for twenty years and let them think about it.

Fifteen years back the CSIS was about as adept as the CIA. Fortunately they have improved. The Mounties have always been pretty good, barring the odd case of corruption here and there.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: bobad
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 07:34 PM

Hey, the mounties always get their man, dontcha know?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 07:21 PM

I feel a little safer now, knowing that the Canuckians are doing something to defeat terrorisim.

Hope they keep up the good work. I might even buy a few sixpacks of Moose head as a tribute

F

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 06:51 PM

They could just as easily be "inspired" bt Timothy McVeighn or the Aryan Nations.

Would that make them "American Terrorists" or "Christian Terrorists"??

Jaysus, people, this paranoid hysteria about an "Islamic Terrorist"[sic] around every corner and under every bed- displacing the proverbial Commie- is REALLY getting boring.

GET A LIFE & get on with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 06:23 PM

Interesting how some people think they can summarize someone else's entire position on a particular subject based on only one question. However I notice it is a common enough tactic (I say 'tactic, because 'assumption' seems like too charitible a term for what they are doing) coming from some people around here, who prefer to use ad hominem smears rather than rational discourse.

Or perhaps someone could show me where I actually articulated my own position on the subject of whether or not the suspects are Muslims.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: Wolfgang
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 05:01 PM

"Inspired by Al-Qaeda" together with the list of names makes one interpretation much more likely than any other. Though I still know that if I hear for instance the beat of hooves in Germany behind me it still could be zebras, couldn't it. None of you has any serious doubts, you just pretend.

Whether the terrorist suspects are actually would-be terrorists that's the real question and not the silly discussion whether most (or all) of those arrested are Islamists or not. They are (at least most of them) and you all know it. But it has happened in more than one coutry in the last couple of years that terrorist suspects have been shot or arrested that later turned out not to be would-be terrorists.

That's where it is sensible to keep an open mind and not on the other artificial point of debate.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: heric
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 04:58 PM

Just because a guy loks like an Arab and his name is Yasim Abdi Mohamed and his wife wears a hajib and he's busted for bomb-making doesn't give you the right to assume the guy is an Islamic terrorist. He could well have been an Hispanic descendent of members of a Dutch chapter of the Huguenots who have been too long repressed. Or something. I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 04:18 PM

C. Ham says, "I have referred to them as "Islamic terrorists" because that is how they have been describded on both of the Canadian TV news networks (CBC Newsworld and CTV Newsnet) by representatives of the RCMP and Ontario police."

Can you please link to these sources so that I don't have to look at all 474 related articles. I can't seem to find a description of the men arrested as "Islamic Terrorists".

I have no choice but to believe this is your particular spin on the story or if you are just passing along assumptions made by uninformed journalists.

At this point, all anyone knows is that they were men (some underaged) who were planning a terrorist attack. For all I know, they were planning on robbing a bank and blowing the safe.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 04:13 PM

Yes Jeri, exactly what I thought - what the hell is she thinking.

And now you are shifting the responsibility to others for this pathetic thread when you were part of the original "gravitating to one side".

I agree, this is rather a waste, see ya.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 04:09 PM

Nice typing, eh?

And, Dianavan, while I am one not to accuse without sufficient evidence, will you somewhat agree that those detained may not be Japanese or from the Chinese Mainland. Also, if they are simply "residents" of Canada, then they will not be accused of "striking their own Country". The ones that are 'citizens can be. A moot point to some, but a true one. Probably means that, if found guilty, one group will be hung prior to the other. That would be enough differentiating as far as I am concerned.

I am sure CarolC and Jeri welcome you to their club after you repeating that the net may have been cast too widely as their Attorney stated.

Denial is the first phase of the defense.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: number 6
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 04:02 PM

No nation is immune to acts of terroism and violence these days. It's a frightening world.

BTW ... my daughter's name is Zaid, we're not Arabic and we're not Muslims. Never assume a person's nationality, or religion by their name.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 03:58 PM

I'm not suggesting that they are not Muslims. I just find statements like the one about the "Islamic names" to be problematic. If one is only going by the names, that could very well be an erroneous assumption. There have been terrorist attacks in the Middle East that have been committed by Christians, for instance. And I have been able to find at least one person with the name Khalid who is an Iraqi Christian...

- here -

However, if the suspects themselves have said that they are Muslims, we are probably more safe in assuming that they are in fact Muslims.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 03:55 PM

Guest, I see the problem now: you don't believe terrorists are extremists.

Everybody, have a nice discussion. I don't really want to argue about vocabulary. Frankly, it's a bit weird to read a news story and find people automatically start gravitating to their usual sides and arguing from predicable points of view about the usual subject, which is often not the thread's subject, with a troll or two thrown in just to nit-pick. It's how Mudcatters do things though.

Amos, I agree -- it's oppressive. It's always oppressive, and it's why I tend to talk about politics and world events somewhere besides Mudcat. I just forgot this time. Chalk one up to the "What the hell was I thinkin'" department.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 03:35 PM

Amos, I am not sure whty Guest you are referring nor does it really matter. With your nose stuck in the 'book of nonessential' words, I doubt if you take enough time to properly read these posts.
I shall never rise to your lofty position of whatever it is you ascribe to. And I thank my God for that. And, in this case, it is you that is being oppressive.

Jeri, I have never, ever heard al Qaeda described as "an Islamic Extremist group". Even they have the common sense to call themselves a terriost group. I still do not find where you saw 'your' phrase. You are right in there with CarolC et. al. when it comes to minimizing the actions of these people, and as another Guest said, it is all the fault of Israel and the United States.

I agree, they probably are born again Christians who meddle in terriosm when not causing Global warming.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: dianavan
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 03:24 PM

"...officials stressed there's no direct link between those charged to the terrorist network." Thats from an article listed in the first post.

Any attempt to categorize the people arrested according to ethnic or religious group is premature. We do know that they were either Canadian citizens or Residents. If they are guilty of planning a terrorist attack, they were planning to strike their own country. Thats a very serious allegation.

I'm glad they interrupted their plans but, as their lawyer indicated, the net may have been cast too widely. We will see.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 02:39 PM

Guest:

Trying to reduce a discussion like this one to a game of personalities and blame on people for speaking their minds is not only stupid, it's oppressive. Especially when done from the nebulous miasma of anonymity.

I am sure you can do better than that.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic terrorists arrested in Ontario
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 02:36 PM

Well, GUEST of 1:55 already posted that quote, so mine was redundant. Never mind...